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Old February 8th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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(NEWS CENTER) - NEWS CENTER political analyst Phil Harriman has confirmed that Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney will be making a campaign stop in Portland.

Romney is scheduled to have a rally at Portland Yacht Services Friday evening at 5:30.


Geeezzzzzzz...........the Portland Yacht Services huh...............wonder how the other "99%" will get to see him ??????????

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you prefer he try to raise campaign funds at the portland Salvation Army?

this is what candidates do....... they hold fundraisers at fancy places........ you cant name a single serious presidential candidate in the last 100 years who hasnt given a fundraising speech at some yacht club or country club or other private ritzy location ........ this somehow shocks or dismays you?
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wonder how the other "99%" will get to see him ??????????
On their $700-$1200 flat panel television sets.
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you prefer he try to raise campaign funds at the portland Salvation Army?

this is what candidates do....... they hold fundraisers at fancy places........ you cant name a single serious presidential candidate in the last 100 years who hasnt given a fundraising speech at some yacht club or country club or other private ritzy location ........ this somehow shocks or dismays you?
nah................just seems to me with all the crap he is taking about his wealth, that somehow his peeps could have chosen a better venue. Especially in a state like Maine.
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nah................just seems to me with all the crap he is taking about his wealth, that somehow his peeps could have chosen a better venue. Especially in a state like Maine.
I'd find it difficult to pay $700 and dontate $10,000 for the special at Denny's, but that's just me.
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They go where the money is. Would you rather waste your time at a yacht club and get tens of thousands dollars or at a local mall and get like $20 donations? Campaigns are not won on good speeches alone. You need the capital to fuel that train.
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They go where the money is. Would you rather waste your time at a yacht club and get tens of thousands dollars or at a local mall and get like $20 donations? Campaigns are not won on good speeches alone. You need the capital to fuel that train.
Whilst this is absolutely the way the political system works, its a crock. Money buys influence. 'sure mr candidate, I'll give you my money, but I expect ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return' <-- w'evs. From the get go of any political race the doors are wide open to corruption.

Money buys influence. Money buys air time. one candidiate gets more air time than another. his views may not be as good, but as he's had more air time on <insert shitty tv network here> he's the name that springs to mind when the less intelligent than average voter goes to the polls.

The entire system is a crock.
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Whilst this is absolutely the way the political system works, its a crock. Money buys influence. 'sure mr candidate, I'll give you my money, but I expect ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return' <-- w'evs. From the get go of any political race the doors are wide open to corruption.

Money buys influence. Money buys air time. one candidiate gets more air time than another. his views may not be as good, but as he's had more air time on <insert shitty tv network here> he's the name that springs to mind when the less intelligent than average voter goes to the polls.

The entire system is a crock.
well I dont find anyone that would argue that its a flawed system...... that being that whomever has the money has the votes simply due to exposure... but guess what.......... YOU are the one who makes it this way......... ask yourself this....... are YOU more likely to vote for a person you only hear a few headlines about and have limited exposure to or the person who the media talks about night and day and you see nonstop commercials for?

YOU as the voter decided long ago that you prefer the guy with the most money
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Campaign contribution limits was supposed to solve the issue of anyone having outside influence on a candidate. Unfortunately bundling solved that little roadblock. Take a look at the perks that the Obama gives his bundlers:

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at least 68 of 350 Obama bundlers for the 2012 election or their spouses have served in the administration in some capacity; at least 250 of the bundlers visited the White House, and another 30 have ties to companies that conduct business with federal agencies or hope to do so in the future,” according to a recent iWatch News report. Several first-time 2012 bundlers already have snagged administration posts:
Norma Lee Funger, of Potomac, Md., who raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for Obama, was appointed last month to the board of trustees of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.
Glenn S. Gerstell, of Washington, D.C., who bundled the same amount, was appointed to the National Infrastructure Advisory Commission last fall.
Richard Binder, of Bethesda, Md., another $50,000-to-$100,000 bundler, was appointed to the Advisory Group on Prevention, Health Promotion, and Integrative and Public Health last spring.
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(NEWS CENTER) - NEWS CENTER political analyst Phil Harriman has confirmed that Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney will be making a campaign stop in Portland.

Romney is scheduled to have a rally at Portland Yacht Services Friday evening at 5:30.


Geeezzzzzzz...........the Portland Yacht Services huh...............wonder how the other "99%" will get to see him ??????????
Wow - 5 seconds on google and i found out that it's a FRICKIN' MARINA.

From their own website:
Portland Yacht Services is a full service Boatyard and Marina, providing customers with a full spectrum of services for outfitting and maintaining a motor or sailing vessel. Our dedicated staff handles all types of storage, maintenance, refits, and restorations on any type of boat or yacht.

You saw the word "yacht" and ASSUMED it was some club for rich people. It's a marina for crying out loud. Maybe a nice one, but when you saw "YACHT" i bet you didn't think about all the folks that WORK there providing a living for their families - by selling boats, parts, trailers, gas, etc.
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Whilst this is absolutely the way the political system works, its a crock. Money buys influence. 'sure mr candidate, I'll give you my money, but I expect ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return' <-- w'evs. From the get go of any political race the doors are wide open to corruption.

Money buys influence. Money buys air time. one candidiate gets more air time than another. his views may not be as good, but as he's had more air time on <insert shitty tv network here> he's the name that springs to mind when the less intelligent than average voter goes to the polls.

The entire system is a crock.
Never said it was right. Political offices is a rich mans game. You need either a name like Kennedy. Lots of money like McCain's wife has and connections. Why you think the average Joe never runs? Because money talks and the ones with money won't give it to the ones that don't.

Like they say money talks and.... Well you know the rest.
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well I dont find anyone that would argue that its a flawed system...... that being that whomever has the money has the votes simply due to exposure... but guess what.......... YOU are the one who makes it this way......... ask yourself this....... are YOU more likely to vote for a person you only hear a few headlines about and have limited exposure to or the person who the media talks about night and day and you see nonstop commercials for?

YOU as the voter decided long ago that you prefer the guy with the most money
Honestly, there was no need for such an unsubstantiated personal attack there - YOU know absolutely nothing of my voting preference and history...
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I'm thinking that the backdrop to this thread is the need for each American political candidate running for office to harvest as much money as he or she can, with the winner of that race likely becoming the winner of the election.

Ross Perot proved that billionaires can come in third place, though.

I was glad to see that, when it happened, because it seemed right. But it was a false conclusion, as we were only talking about several candidates, each of them in the same upper class of American wealth, with the richest happening to be such a nutcase that he was largely ignored by voters come election day.
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I seem to remember someone famous saying something like "Anyone fit to be President wouldn't run, and anyone running isn't fit to be President" or something along those lines. I approach any election with that in mind though.
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why worry about voting for a president. The people don't vote him in to office.
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why worry about voting for a president. The people don't vote him in to office.
Thought people learned this with George Bush.

IF VOTING CHANGED ANYTHING THEY WOULD MAKE IT ILLEGAL.

All it is, is a Popularity Contest where the one with the most exposure and "who looks like" they can do the job.

The average 9to5'er does not have enough money to buy a Presidency seat.

Personally I think we should take all Layers, Lobbiest, and Politicians and place them on a Island together and nuke it.

When will we rise above the need for Cops and Laws?

When has it ever been a good idea to let the Government do it?
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Wow - 5 seconds on google and i found out that it's a FRICKIN' MARINA.

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Portland Yacht Services is a full service Boatyard and Marina, providing customers with a full spectrum of services for outfitting and maintaining a motor or sailing vessel. Our dedicated staff handles all types of storage, maintenance, refits, and restorations on any type of boat or yacht.

You saw the word "yacht" and ASSUMED it was some club for rich people. It's a marina for crying out loud. Maybe a nice one, but when you saw "YACHT" i bet you didn't think about all the folks that WORK there providing a living for their families - by selling boats, parts, trailers, gas, etc.
5 seconds huh?............... LOL

One of my best friends works there. Afraid i know MUCH more about the business than you could ever know with a 5 second search...
I do not determine what is best for my family and myself and our lives after searching Google for 5 seconds..............no offense meant to you or anyone else. But you do need more than 5 seconds to determine something like that.
And to those that use the extremes for venues like Yacht Services versus Denny's , that is not what i posted about. Gingrich came to Maine and used a much more "neutral" venue than that.
Romney has an "rich boy" image and all i was saying is that he could have held the "public" meeting at a better venue...........that's all
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It's just that the OP's:

"wonder how the other "99%" will get to see him ??????????"

seems to suggest that only 1% of the citizens in Portland (around the U.S.?) will see him, when in fact no matter where a presidential candidate speaks during election year pretty much everybody across all economic classes have the same opportunity via news media. The name of the venue is not relevant unless it's something unsavory such as the KKK or Black Panther's headquarters.
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well heres the best thing I can tell you....... the caucus is today........ and if speaking at a PUBLIC marina that bares the word "Yacht" in its title doesnt represent the "99%" enough..... while other candidates speak at more "neutral" sites like country clubs etc......... then it should be a landslide against Romney...... then your point will have been well made......... Id be surprised if he gets more than 1% of the vote (see what I did there?)
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The stigma that seems attached to the word "yacht" could cause some people to feel validated in their feeling that this candidate is an elitist or "too wealthy" or something like that.

That stigma was on the Kennedy family and is on Obama now, might as well paste it on this fellow too.
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dont get me wrong...... Im no fan of Romney...... but for real reasons like his record and the fact that its quite obvious he's a RINO...... but to assert that hes an elitist for speaking at a PUBLIC forum which has a fancy word in the title......... then compare him to other candidates who speak at more "neutral" sites like country clubs...... beyond ridiculous

on the other hand its worth noting that every article surrounding todays caucus in Maine make mention of the fact that only Romney and Paul are actively campaigning there........ while Newt and Santorum have decided to abandon the state

I better stop eating at 'The Royal Wok'.......my friends may say Im an elitist
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I don't know.. the fallout would likely fertilize the ground downwind with some sort of mutant, fungal greed spores. Then we'd have to deal with environmentalists wanting us to prove the spores are more noxious than they are.

It's a vicious cycle.
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Fortunately I live in DC where voting really doesn't matter. Obama got 97% of the vote in 08. Can't imagine it'll be any different this time around.
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Fortunately I live in DC where voting really doesn't matter. Obama got 97% of the vote in 08. Can't imagine it'll be any different this time around.
Don't know that 97% that voted for him in 08 has seen that he did nothing for them. Doubt the voting will be the same. After all can't use the running as the first black president no more. He will have to come up with a new gimmic. Oh wait he is half white. So guess he wasn't the first African American president lol.
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Don't know that 97% that voted for him in 08 has seen that he did nothing for them. Doubt the voting will be the same. After all can't use the running as the first black president no more. He will have to come up with a new gimmic. Oh wait he is half white. So guess he wasn't the first African American president lol.
Yikes! Well if you knew how overwhelmingly Democratic DC is, you'd get it. BTW, the city is getting less and less black by the second
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Yikes! Well if you knew how overwhelmingly Democratic DC is, you'd get it. BTW, the city is getting less and less black by the second
Yeah just like Massachusetts is a strong dem state and when Teds seat came up a republican got it. I am seeing more and more people are not either strong dem or republican. They are looking for who will do the best job.
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I don't know.. the fallout would likely fertilize the ground downwind with some sort of mutant, fungal greed spores. Then we'd have to deal with environmentalists wanting us to prove the spores are more noxious than they are.

It's a vicious cycle.
yeah that would be just the luck to then we would have to kill another entire race of idiots. I guess it would never stop so instead I say we have option C put into place.

Option C = When we find that neither Candidate is qualified and we choose "C" We then tell them loosers thanks for wasting our time and start all over until we do find someone who is actually a)qualified, b) a US Citizen, c) someone who is Patriotic. - Poorly Paraphrased but Originally suggested by the late Great George Carlin.

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I've been saying it for years. "Sigh" people don't want the truth they want their illusion.
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Yeah just like Massachusetts is a strong dem state and when Teds seat came up a republican got it. I am seeing more and more people are not either strong dem or republican. They are looking for who will do the best job.
Eh, I grew up in Massachusetts. I think though the people there are a liberal voting bloc, they're quite conservative on moral issues (strong religious group).
DC is pretty similar, though changing rapidly as the OGs are getting priced out of the city and replaced with younger, whiter, less traditional (much more socially liberal) groups. Hell, we were even dumb enough to vote for Marion Barry, multiple times! But, I can't see Obama getting anything less than 90% of the vote this year. (Kerry got just north of 90% in 04)
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Eh, I grew up in Massachusetts. I think though the people there are a liberal voting bloc, they're quite conservative on moral issues (strong religious group).
I always found the Kennedy family to be interesting, in that they're Catholic but pro-choice.

'Nother thread, I know, but the segue into this topic is that many people have morals which transcend the center teachings of their church, such as Romney's Obama-like "Romney-care" package, spawned by the exact same advisers that came up with Obama-care, and Obama-care being opposed by the Church of Latter Day Saints as "socialism."

Maybe Romney addresses that from his yacht.
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They go where the money is. Would you rather waste your time at a yacht club and get tens of thousands dollars or at a local mall and get like $20 donations? Campaigns are not won on good speeches alone. You need the capital to fuel that train.
Yes, but couldn't he and the others also goto the local mall and collect those $20? After all, he want our votes too.
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Does the OP seriously think that only Romney does these things? If you're a politician and you need money, and influencial support, this is what you do.

The only way to end this kind of thing is legal limits on campaign spending, along with government funding of political parties.
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Does the OP seriously think that only Romney does these things? If you're a politician and you need money, and influencial support, this is what you do.

The only way to end this kind of thing is legal limits on campaign spending, along with government funding of political parties.
No, i realize that Romney is just a "figure head" in the battle for power. It is not who can best serve the USA, it is all about who can beat Obama or who ever is in the White House and is the opposing party at the time. Kinda sad that both parties care much more about "power" than the old USA............

I really think the election results to watch will be the Congress and Senate. With only a 10% approval rating, it should be very interesting what the people do..............if they even go to the polls
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I really think the election results to watch will be the Congress and Senate. With only a 10% approval rating, it should be very interesting what the people do..............if they even go to the polls
Yep, this will be key. While I think Obama will likely get reelected (seriously can the Repubs pick 1 candidate they all like?), there will probably be some big changes in Congress. Curious how the Tea Party movement will be after the support they had in 2010?
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Yep, this will be key. While I think Obama will likely get reelected (seriously can the Repubs pick 1 candidate they all like?), there will probably be some big changes in Congress. Curious how the Tea Party movement will be after the support they had in 2010?
Agree........ the "tea party" was the first movement. Have no idea what they will be called but i do see more and more change on the horizon. We desperately need to change Washington. It really has less to do with "republicans and democrats" and more to do with Washington itself. They should be there to help us............not themselves.
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Agree........ the "tea party" was the first movement. Have no idea what they will be called but i do see more and more change on the horizon. We desperately need to change Washington. It really has less to do with "republicans and democrats" and more to do with Washington itself. They should be there to help us............not themselves.
Agreed, and give some friggin statehood while you're at it!
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No, i realize that Romney is just a "figure head" in the battle for power. It is not who can best serve the USA, it is all about who can beat Obama or who ever is in the White House and is the opposing party at the time. Kinda sad that both parties care much more about "power" than the old USA............

I really think the election results to watch will be the Congress and Senate. With only a 10% approval rating, it should be very interesting what the people do..............if they even go to the polls
It's certainly not about who's best for the coutry, mind you it seems that the Republican electorate don't care either, a disgrace on their part. Look at say Santorum compared to Huntsman.

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Yep, this will be key. While I think Obama will likely get reelected (seriously can the Repubs pick 1 candidate they all like?), there will probably be some big changes in Congress. Curious how the Tea Party movement will be after the support they had in 2010?
We saw what the last change produced, a bunch of idiots who have no idea what it takes to help run a federal government. I'd worry the next elections will do the same for the other half.

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Agree........ the "tea party" was the first movement. Have no idea what they will be called but i do see more and more change on the horizon. We desperately need to change Washington. It really has less to do with "republicans and democrats" and more to do with Washington itself. They should be there to help us............not themselves.
As I said, the last change made Washington worse... dont be surprised when things dont improve.

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Agreed, and give some friggin statehood while you're at it!
I've always found the topic of whether federal capitals should get statehood. Its interesting how existing cities are always given statehood even as a federal capital - while newly created cities aren't in general. Dont really have an opinion on the matter, maybe ye could get further autonomy and one senator and repersentative?
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Agreed, and give some friggin statehood while you're at it!
Always thought DC was suppose to be a neutral place for our government to reside and not.show favoritism to one state. Kinda like the Vatican.
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Pope Obama does have a certain ring to it.
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you prefer he try to raise campaign funds at the portland Salvation Army?

this is what candidates do....... they hold fundraisers at fancy places........ you cant name a single serious presidential candidate in the last 100 years who hasnt given a fundraising speech at some yacht club or country club or other private ritzy location ........ this somehow shocks or dismays you?
And have a look at what many Obama fundraisers cost. Not uncommon to spend almost $40,000.000 for a ticket. The OP needs to understand that a politician goes where the cash is.
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I always found the Kennedy family to be interesting, in that they're Catholic but pro-choice.
Certainly Joe Kennedy and his stock manipulations and bootlegging business would make a great HBO series. Not much to recommend many in the Kennedy Clan for "American of the Year."
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And have a look at what many Obama fundraisers cost. Not uncommon to spend almost $40,000.000 for a ticket. The OP needs to understand that a politician goes where the cash is.
Is that a typo or did you genuinely mean they can cost 40 million dollars??!?
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Is that a typo or did you genuinely mean they can cost 40 million dollars??!?
LOL . . . TYPO. Forty Grand, not million. That said, 40 million is probably what he spends on vacations. Michelle Obama sas spent ten million alone, traveling.
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Certainly Joe Kennedy and his stock manipulations and bootlegging business would make a great HBO series.
Ehhh.. what he did back then would be small potatoes now days.
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Ehhh.. what he did back then would be small potatoes now days.
Sadly true. Many Americans seem to forgive far too much these days. Obama had avowed communists working for him; if the public will accept that, they will accept anything.

It is interesting to note that many if not most Americans did not know Franklin Roosevelt was in a wheelchair. The press behaved differently back then and they had some measure of respect for the man and the office.

A presidential candidate in a wheelchair might not be elected these days.
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LOL . . . TYPO. Forty Grand, not million. That said, 40 million is probably what he spends on vacations. Michelle Obama sas spent ten million alone, traveling.
That was still 40K, just in wholesale parlance. We buy stuff all the time that is priced in 1/1000 of a cent like $4.725.

I now return you to the regularly scheduled thread.
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