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Old March 29th, 2012, 08:04 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I wonder if we thought of cows and other animals the way we think of dogs, cats, and other pets. Can you imagine how we'd behave differently towards these animals?



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Aww, I just saw that video on the news, so sweet.
Was thinking about this yesterday when I was grinding beef at work. Honestly, I just can't believe companies are saving a ton of money by incorporating up to 15% of this crap into ground beef (again, it's probably trying to squeeze out as much as possible from the cow).
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I'm still trying to get a handle on what's so "gross" about a meat product added to meat, beyond the (usual) media hyperbolic nonsense name, "pink slime" (coined by a lab worker).

It's just mostly connective tissue, which is a portion of any steak cut with the bone in. It's treated specially to remove bacteria because it is gathered off the cutting tables, instead of going through with the main parts being cut from the carcasses.
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I'm still trying to get a handle on what's so "gross" about a meat product added to meat, beyond the (usual) media hyperbolic nonsense name, "pink slime" (coined by a lab worker).

It's just mostly connective tissue, which is a portion of any steak cut with the bone in. It's treated specially to remove bacteria because it is gathered off the cutting tables, instead of going through with the main parts being cut from the carcasses.

It probably has to do with the type of chemical it's treated with, and it doesn't help Pink Slime's cause that it has a history of being used in dog food.

I think if we actually knew what is involved in the processing of our food supply, we'd probably start growing our own food. But for whatever reason, someone decided that Pink Slime was worth taking a 2nd look at.
 
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personally, when i buy ground beef, i would like for it to be a pretty high percentage of ground beef(so aside from the fat, i would like the meat to be 90%+ of actual muscle tissue).
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NewsDaily: Ammonia used in many foods, not just "pink slime"

"But ammonium hydroxide, the chemical often used to sanitize the "pink slime," was harder to find.

That is because it is often considered a "processing aid," which is not required by U.S. regulators to be included on food labels."
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In addition to the documentary already mentioned (Food Inc) check out "King Corn", "The Future of Food" and "The World According to Monsanto" which can be watched free online:

Documentary Film Video Documentary About Monsanto

Monsanto's GMO corn cross-pollinates into corn-fields that aren't using Monsanto's product, the owner's of these cross-pollinated corn fields are then sued out of business by Monsanto whom employs a team of people to go onto farmers' property and test for any evidence of their GMO corn.

The GMO corn can't even be eaten in it's freshly grown state, it is produced solely to make corn syrup which is an ingredient in just about every product on your supermarket's shelf.

We have so much corn that without the government subsidy to farmers, it costs more to grow corn than it's worth. Which leads to needing more uses for the corn than food; enter ethanol (another subject worthy of it's own thread).

Monsanto's effect on the world's food supply and health is mind-boggling and frightening.

Monsanto's Government Ties


Clarence Thomas who was a Monsanto attorney, the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture (Anne Veneman) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation, the two congressmen receiving the most donations from Monsanto during that election cycle were Larry Combest (Chairman of the House Agricultural Committee) and Attorney General John Ashcroft. (Source: Dairy Education Board).

Some of the people that work for Monsanto go on to careers in the Federal govt (like the FDA) where they can continue working for Monsanto.


From a Monsanto in-house newsletter in 2000:

"Agricultural biotechnology will find a supporter occupying the White House next year, regardless of which candidate wins the election in November"
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...From a Monsanto in-house newsletter in 2000:

"Agricultural biotechnology will find a supporter occupying the White House next year, regardless of which candidate wins the election in November"
Welcome to the bastardized free market, if you have the money, murder is an acceptable means to an end.
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In addition to the documentary already mentioned (Food Inc) check out "King Corn", "The Future of Food" and "The World According to Monsanto" which can be watched free online:

Documentary Film Video Documentary About Monsanto
After watching that documentary, one needs something a bit lighter.

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Ah, i remember that. Do you know its been over 6months since ive eaten pink slime?
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I didn't read this whole thread, and I don't eat pink slime lol. HOWEVER its a freaking recipe....if chipotle came out with a video showing the steak as green slime with pimple ooze look alike all in it who cares? Its still tasty steak when I eat it :-). It's a recipe people, get real, your cell phones level of bacteria is 10xs more disgusting.
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Naaah, i still caints chokes down the slime....
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I didn't read this whole thread, and I don't eat pink slime lol. HOWEVER its a freaking recipe....if chipotle came out with a video showing the steak as green slime with pimple ooze look alike all in it who cares? Its still tasty steak when I eat it :-). It's a recipe people, get real, your cell phones level of bacteria is 10xs more disgusting.
The main problem is there's really no way to know if you're eating it or not, since they don't have to disclose whether its an ingredient or not. (unless you just stop eating anything with ground beef in it altogether.)
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True. And whats even more scary is some of these burger joints, grocery stores etc..may just "say" theyve ceased from purchasing and selling products with PINK SLIME, for the sake of "damage control" and get that dollar flowing in again.

Those "big cheeses" or "big slimes" at FDA or whomever they wer that appeard in interviews on the national news and Good Morning "AMERCIA" (..as romney sells it...) were the most unprofessional interviews ever. With their argumental tone and "you eat it because we say so" attitude, that alone woulld make me not buy ground beef again....

Appeared they were mad as hale and "fit to be tied" (what does that expression mean?)..when this story was getting national neadlines and the industry noticed a slump in $$...my guess is these "cheeses" got stock intrests in the slime and it hurt their pockets. Let THEM eat it..
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Nah, they can afford the best. A boycott will not help their ability to have the best. Cuts into the profits.

I don't think I've had any. I usually use Morningstar Farms soy stuff. Haven't bought chopped meat in about 10 years.
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Yes that is definitely a fact! I.bet they havent had "ground beef" every since theyve become one of "the elite"....this one "damage control" interview showed the "woofpack" of elite standimg in their white lab coats in front of national news cameras to "take one for the gang"...hah, they each took their verg first ever "token bite" of pink slime..betcha when the cams stopped recordimg, they ran to the executive rest rooms and gargled, induced spew, gargled and repeated the process several times.

I stopped eating.ground chum..i mean, beef too! I think WENDYS was trying to "tell us something" back in the day but took till NOW to see the light
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In addition to the documentary already mentioned (Food Inc) check out "King Corn", "The Future of Food" and "The World According to Monsanto" which can be watched free online:

Documentary Film Video Documentary About Monsanto

Monsanto's GMO corn cross-pollinates into corn-fields that aren't using Monsanto's product, the owner's of these cross-pollinated corn fields are then sued out of business by Monsanto whom employs a team of people to go onto farmers' property and test for any evidence of their GMO corn.

The GMO corn can't even be eaten in it's freshly grown state, it is produced solely to make corn syrup which is an ingredient in just about every product on your supermarket's shelf.

We have so much corn that without the government subsidy to farmers, it costs more to grow corn than it's worth. Which leads to needing more uses for the corn than food; enter ethanol (another subject worthy of it's own thread).

Monsanto's effect on the world's food supply and health is mind-boggling and frightening.

Monsanto's Government Ties


Clarence Thomas who was a Monsanto attorney, the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture (Anne Veneman) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation, the two congressmen receiving the most donations from Monsanto during that election cycle were Larry Combest (Chairman of the House Agricultural Committee) and Attorney General John Ashcroft. (Source: Dairy Education Board).

Some of the people that work for Monsanto go on to careers in the Federal govt (like the FDA) where they can continue working for Monsanto.


From a Monsanto in-house newsletter in 2000:

"Agricultural biotechnology will find a supporter occupying the White House next year, regardless of which candidate wins the election in November"
As an ag business student and living on a farm and bieng around farms my whole life, i believe anybody can be sued for cross pollination of any plant threw any company if it happens before they release the actual plant variety. They select a few famers to test seed and also produce seed for selling and when they (the farmers) are told said rules of this operation.

As for farm subsidys on about 2% of all farm bills are truely production oriented. The remaining 98%goes to things like food stamps and other things like such. It only makes since to use corn as efficently as possible doesnt it. If i remeber correctly the break even for raising corn is typically one of the lower break evens of most crops next to soybeans.
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Quad, I am sure you have seen frst hand how such restrictions or investigations effcts the farming industry at a ground-zero level. Does the avg farmer have any input oi r control over how they choos to raise poultry or beef that the govt rejects and provide guidelines sometimes not acceptible by the farmar?
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Quad, I am sure you have seen frst hand how such restrictions or investigations effcts the farming industry at a ground-zero level. Does the avg farmer have any input oi r control over how they choos to raise poultry or beef that the govt rejects and provide guidelines sometimes not acceptible by the farmar?

As far as the meat industry goes im not 100% sure with the regulations and such since im in the wheat capital of the world sumner county ks im surounded by farmers not much beef producing going on. However i know as far as farming goes to qualify for gov support you have to maintain 35% ground residue and have crops planted by a certain date to qualify.

As far as practices not acceptable by the farmer with beef i think most ranchers are not only in it for profit but would be more than willing to adjust their practices if the results. are a safer/ethical. If they fail to meet guidelines be it disease or what have you thats something that just has to be delt with by the farmer. If it causes them to go out of business then thats just the nature of the ag game. Its a huge gamble alot of these big farms and ranches are playing. Ag bills have takin a huge step to protect these outfits but sometimesnits not enough.

Hopefully thats what you were looking for?
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These farmers are being sued out of existence for something that is not their fault. The old timers who refuse to go along with using Monsanto Roundup/Roundup resistant seeds are then paid visits by intimidating ex military types who try to strong arm them into using the products. If they still don't play along, they are hit with aggressive lawsuits because some of their neighbors seeds blew over their fence. No way you can justify these tactics.
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I looked it up and all Pink Slime is, is Lean, Finely Textured Beef. The press took hold of it's unfortunate name and the public got upset. Pink Slime or LFTB is not new, it has been around in one form or another for quite some time. (2002)

I think there was a little pink slime in my homemade sausage.

I am not surprised the press reports such things because they all seem to want to hate beef.

Apparently, meat trimmings and other beefy goodness is placed in a centrifuge and heated to remove fat. The mix is then exposed to gas or acids to kill the bacteria. That's it, just beef for the most part.

I think people would be amazed to learn just how many caustics and poisons are used to make things like Hominy or Maraschino Cherries or their favorites. Or what they would think if they learned that the USDA allows a certain amount of bug parts in processed foods. And how can they allow the little red strands sometimes seen in canned chili, which are blood vessels?

Shellac and wax is used to make many of the things we love and no problems. Propylene Glycol is added to food; cyanide and PG is found in chocolate, naturally. Cochineal dye from little bugs is a popular red food coloring. Lots of stuff is added to food with little to no evil effects.
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I stopped eating.ground chum..i mean, beef too! I think WENDYS was trying to "tell us something" back in the day but took till NOW to see the light
Grind your own beef or buy good meat and have your butcher grind it for you. Remember that when you purchase a ground beef, the beef can come from several different cows. This is especially true in the case of Wendy's or McDonalds. This is why eating raw ground beef is a problem.

Grind your own and you will not have problems. Or find a good butcher you can trust. I make my own sausage becaue I can control the spices and fat content.
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As far as practices not acceptable by the farmer with beef i think most ranchers are not only in it for profit but would be more than willing to adjust their practices if the results. are a safer/ethical.
Not sure I agree. We now know what the addition of antibiotics has done to the resistance of common disease causing organisms; it has made many of them highly resistant to drugs. This is why a hospital visit can result in death caused by pneumonia, serratia and staph.

The big meat producers know this, yet many still add antibiotics to the feed.

When I was a kid, a shot of penicillin was highly effective. Now, far less so.
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Buy fresh beef and grind it yourself, add a little salt & pepper and some egg to bind it all together, shape into 4oz patties and grill it. Perfect burgers with no junk.

I also make my bread with certified organic stone-ground unbleached flour (white or wholewheat). and I've started growing my own Veggies.
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The main problem is there's really no way to know if you're eating it or not, since they don't have to disclose whether its an ingredient or not. (unless you just stop eating anything with ground beef in it altogether.)
People do not understand their food. They order plastic burgers and greasy fries through a clown's mouth and delivered in a petrochemical based polymer container.

What do you think of when I say Vine Ripened Tomatoes? The law says if there is any trace of red at the time it is picked, it can be called "vine ripened." Most people think vine ripened tomatoes are red and lovely when picked. The fruit is green fruit ripened in a gas chamber.

I posted what pink slime is a bit earlier. Nothing to be scared of in my view. Disgusting when called "slime" to be sure.

Food processors are allows to include a certain percentage of bug parts in your food and lots of caustic chemicals are used to process food. Like maraschino cherries and olives. And remember, all food is organic food.

Grow your own if you are concerned. And never visit an egg processing plant or large slaughter house if you ever want to have ham and eggs again.
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Buy fresh beef and grind it yourself, add a little salt & pepper and some egg to bind it all together, shape into 4oz patties and grill it. Perfect burgers with no junk.

I also make my bread with certified organic stone-ground unbleached flour (white or wholewheat). and I've started growing my own Veggies.
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And when you grind your own beef, you can cook rare burgers with less fear over contamination because the meat comes from one specific animal rather than perhaps dozens of different animals in the case of most hamburger.
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And when you grind your own beef, you can cook rare burgers with less fear over contamination because the meat comes from one specific animal rather than perhaps dozens of different animals in the case of most hamburger.
I don't eat red meat but one of my kids does and so I get a chunk of sirloin and grind it at home all the hoping that it is not going to be more and more for him . For now it is about one time a week after a game maybe. The pink slime thing were they doing that all along and then it came out so now people taste it and didn't before?
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It probably has to do with the type of chemical it's treated with, and it doesn't help Pink Slime's cause that it has a history of being used in dog food.
Vegetables and corn and lamb and beef and other things have been used in dog food for a long time. Not sure what difference it makes that pink slime is also used in dog food.

Again, PS is not a bad thing. the name is unfortunate and the press loves to scare people with sensationalism.

What needs to be happen is we grind up all of the PITA members and put that in dog food.
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People do not understand their food. They order plastic burgers and greasy fries through a clown's mouth and delivered in a petrochemical based polymer container.

What do you think of when I say Vine Ripened Tomatoes? The law says if there is any trace of red at the time it is picked, it can be called "vine ripened." Most people think vine ripened tomatoes are red and lovely when picked. The fruit is green fruit ripened in a gas chamber.

I posted what pink slime is a bit earlier. Nothing to be scared of in my view. Disgusting when called "slime" to be sure.

Food processors are allows to include a certain percentage of bug parts in your food and lots of caustic chemicals are used to process food. Like maraschino cherries and olives. And remember, all food is organic food.

Grow your own if you are concerned. And never visit an egg processing plant or large slaughter house if you ever want to have ham and eggs again.
The name "lean finely textured ground beef" is as much propaganda as the name "pink slime" is. Its basically the trash meat they used to throw away, now they treat it with ammonia and serve it in school lunches. You are correct about the tomatoes, chicken farms and eggs. All that is covered in the movie "Food, Inc" mentioned earlier in the thread. I highly recommend everyone to watch it.
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The name "lean finely textured ground beef" is as much propaganda as the name "pink slime" is. Its basically the trash meat they used to throw away, now they treat it with ammonia and serve it in school lunches. You are correct about the tomatoes, chicken farms and eggs. All that is covered in the movie "Food, Inc" mentioned earlier in the thread. I highly recommend everyone to watch it.
Before I would recommend the movie, I would learn something about food and how it is grown. Lots of questions left unanswered by the film. Apparently, Eric makes statements then discredits them in the next few moments.

I have NOT seen the movie but I know people who have and those in the business do not agree and some who do not know are bothered without knowing some facts. I have faith in our food. We feed the world and we know how to grow the stuff. I do not need to see a movie filled with holes; if I want holes, I'll buy some good Swiss cheese.

Here is one writer's review of the movie; take it for whatever it is worth:

Food Inc. Review

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Food, like politics, is complicated. There are those that only eat certain things, thinking everything else is going to kill them. There are those that eat and love every one of God's critters. I am in that camp.

Lots of ideas about how the family farm has gone away (it has not really gone away, it has gotten larger and it produces better food for less cost and more often) and lots of fear over additives. There are organic Vs something else. Can't really call the non-organic food inorganic.

All food is organic and most pesticides are also organic. Not sure if there are many inorganic pesticides out there. Remember, everything containing carbon is organic. Without preservitives, we woulds likely starve. We need them as much as we need fertilizers.

There is local produce--always a good value and a great idea. A stand near me sells locally grown food; they specialize in local food stuffs. Come to find out, their wares are mostly imported stuff. I guess Argentina is local from the perspective of most Argentinians.

Food, Inc wants critters raised free range. Clearly impossible for many reasons. It would mean less critters for the table. Review the second link above and look at a few facts after you see Food, Inc. Then decide if the film should be dismissed or not.

Take films like Food, Inc with a grain of salt. Just because it sounds right, it might not be one bit accurate.
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I don't eat red meat but one of my kids does and so I get a chunk of sirloin and grind it at home all the hoping that it is not going to be more and more for him . For now it is about one time a week after a game maybe. The pink slime thing were they doing that all along and then it came out so now people taste it and didn't before?
Learn what PS is and you will have fewer fears. It is good you grind your own burger meat. You can also add seasonings. Next, I suggest making your own sausage.
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When you mentioned "throw-away fat" , that reminds me why I don't eat baloney, weiners, or Underwood Deviled Ham (aka...."potted meat")


Even the name "potted meat" got a slime'esc sound to it...whew!
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Any time you can literally "spread the 'meat' on a slice of bread with a spoon,....you're eating 100% pure unadulterated PRIME-SLIME!



This is.....MEAT?
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This is.....MEAT?
The government decides what is meat. Or vegetables. What they decide might not seem logical to most people. Food labeling is tricky. Green tomatoes with just a blush of red are legally considered vine ripened. I disagree; they are green tomatoes, still, not vine ripened.

They also decide that those little red strings in your canned chilie (blood vessels) are acceptable as is a certain percentage of bug parts in other products we love.

I make chicken salad that is spreadable. That is meat. Or perhaps poultry spread. I do make ham spreads from time to time.

As for Deviled Ham being potted meat, I disagree. DH is in a class all its own. Certainly not potted meat.
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The government decides what is meat. Or vegetables. What they decide might not seem logical to most people. Food labeling is tricky. Green tomatoes with just a blush of red are legally considered vine ripened. I disagree; they are green tomatoes, still, not vine ripened.

They also decide that those little red strings in your canned chilie (blood vessels) are acceptable as is a certain percentage of bug parts in other products we love.

I make chicken salad that is spreadable. That is meat. Or perhaps poultry spread. I do make ham spreads from time to time.

As for Deviled Ham being potted meat, I disagree. DH is in a class all its own. Certainly not potted meat.
When you say you make your own chicken "spread" are you pureéing it to a creambor is it chunks of meat like tuna salad?



Ok, the red line - allowed bug percent/vein comment just sent me over.whe
i am sorry "any" kinda meat that doesnt have a bone or looks like it wasnt cut right off the carcas is "not" meat to me.. Underwood and potted meat looks like, smells, taste like the same and the gov can call it what they want, it aintgoing down these pipes.

As far as spreadable meats, Like woody said in Zombiland.."...its the consistency" iNEEDS to see da BONE so I know its meat.
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Are you serious about the govt approved percent of bug-consumption? I wonder how many on that panel eats everyday food. I agree, they cant tell me a green tomato with slight red stripes is ripe..
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When you say you make your own chicken "spread" are you pureéing it to a creambor is it chunks of meat like tuna salad?

Ok, the red line - allowed bug percent/vein comment just sent me over.whe
i am sorry "any" kinda meat that doesnt have a bone or looks like it wasnt cut right off the carcas is "not" meat to me.. Underwood and potted meat looks like, smells, taste like the same and the gov can call it what they want, it aintgoing down these pipes.

As far as spreadable meats, Like woody said in Zombiland.."...its the consistency" iNEEDS to see da BONE so I know its meat.
I have done both. There is a dish that uses pureed chicken or turkey I once loved. As for my way, I chop it up with onion, spring onions, garlic, mayo, a little salt, lots of pepper and occasionally, a few green peppers and when I go nuts, some dill.

I spread it on rye bread or cram it in a tomato.

From: How Much Rodent Filth Does the FDA Allow? - Mental Floss

Canned mushrooms can include more than 20 maggots “of any size” and 75 mites, per 100 grams. No more than 10% of your mushrooms can be “decomposed.”

Brussels sprouts can include 30 or more aphids, per every 100 grams of veggie. Up to 60 percent of frozen berries can be moldy, with an average of 4 or more larvae, or 10 or more whole insects, per 500 grams.

The FDA allows 15 percent of a can of cranberry sauce to be moldy. Apple butter is allowed to be 12 percent moldy. For every 100 grams of apple butter, it’s OK to have four or more rodent hairs and 5 or more whole or equivalent” insects. The average serving size of apple butter is about 30 grams, so no worries: you’re only ingesting a little more than 1 rodent hair and 1.6 insects per serving!

The turkey meat in turkey burgers, turkey dogs, turkey patties and nuggets has been “mechanically separated” from the bone. That’s code for: an entire turkey, bones and all, has been forced through a sieve under high pressure, oozing—to quote the FDA—a “paste-like and batter-like poultry product” on the other side. That “paste-like” poultry product contains a high percentage of “ground, crushed and pulverized bones,” evident in high levels of calcium, which is cool with the FDA..

Meat of all sorts—ground beef, chicken nuggets, taco filling, etc.—must include at least 35 percent actual meat. The other 65 percent doesn’t have to be meat, and can be made up of any mixture of edible fillers and chemicals, including cornstarch, water, soy, maltodextrin, silicon dioxide, food colorings and artificial flavoring.

Tomato paste, pizza sauce or other sauces can include 30 or more fly eggs per 100 grams. Alternatively, you can have 15 or more fly eggs and one or more maggots, OR two or more maggots, but not all of the above.

Cocoa beans can be 4 percent moldy or insect infested, but only 6 percent moldy and insect infested. More than 10 milligrams of “mammalian excreta” is permitted per pound of cocoa beans.

In 100 grams of corn meal, the FDA says it’s OK to have two or more “whole insects,” 100 or more insect fragments, and either 4 rodent hairs or 2 or more chunks of rodent poop.
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Okie dokie! You made me H U N G R Y! describing that "Dagwood Special". Yep I can go for one nof those chicken sandwitches on bread (sourdough or foccaciaare y favs)......i just cant intake a spreaded "meat" that feels like jello pudding in da mouf..


Now...as far as the rest of your response......im almost afraid of food .again..
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Okie dokie! You made me H U N G R Y! describing that "Dagwood Special". Yep I can go for one nof those chicken sandwitches on bread (sourdough or foccaciaare y favs)......i just cant intake a spreaded "meat" that feels like jello pudding in da mouf..


Now...as far as the rest of your response......im almost afraid of food .again..
Why do I find that picture so wrong . . . so terribly, terribly wrong?

Never watch hotdogs being made if you love hotdogs. Perhaps avoid all processing plants while you are at it.
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Never watch hotdogs being made if you love hotdogs. Perhaps avoid all processing plants while you are at it.
That pic is soooo Rick Perry! Since he oops infront of the world when he said he would do away with education "if he was elected prez", he is sooo wrong....so that pic is "Soooo Rick - Sooo Wrong"


Whew I dont even go near weiners, balogna, none of that "throw away scraps..

See THATS ANOTHER RANT: the gub tells us what to wear and turn around feeding us big ppart, rodent pieces and throw-away scraps.. And they wanna take MY SHASTA! aint gonna happn
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That pic is soooo Rick Perry! Since he oops infront of the world when he said he would do away with education "if he was elected prez", he is sooo wrong....so that pic is "Soooo Rick - Sooo Wrong"


Whew I dont even go near weiners, balogna, none of that "throw away scraps..

See THATS ANOTHER RANT: the gub tells us what to wear and turn around feeding us big ppart, rodent pieces and throw-away scraps.. And they wanna take MY SHASTA! aint gonna happn
Did you hear about the man that was in deep trouble for violating ICS regs? Apparently--and as the tale goes--his mistake was in growing vegetables in his garden. The Interstate Commerce Department said essentially this: since you grow your own food, you are denying some trucker or supermarket some profits because you are not buying produce from the grocery.

The ICS is a curious group. Everyone here violates some foreigh law tied to provisions of the ICS. So what (apparently) is legal here is perhaps illegal in another country but you can be punished here for your lawlessness. Or something like that.

My brain is foggy from all the MSG in my Moo Goo Gai Pan or perhaps my order of Quy ching mooshoo gong eggplant.

I once use to joke about suing GM for producing quality vehicles. Because they were well-made and safe, they denied me of the opportunity to sue for damages, therefore, costing me potential settlement cash. Perhaps that might work today, owing to the crazy nature of this country at this moment.

Peoples . . . watch out for those bans and regulations. We are heading towards a huge problem we cannot begin to understand. And do not fret the pink slime, it won't kill ya.
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Did you hear about the man that was in deep trouble for violating ICS regs? Apparently--and as the tale goes--his mistake was in growing vegetables in his garden. The Interstate Commerce Department said essentially this: since you grow your own food, you are denying some trucker or supermarket some profits because you are not buying produce from the grocery.

The ICS is a curious group. Everyone here violates some foreigh law tied to provisions of the ICS. So what (apparently) is legal here is perhaps illegal in another country but you can be punished here for your lawlessness. Or something like that.

My brain is foggy from all the MSG in my Moo Goo Gai Pan or perhaps my order of Quy ching mooshoo gong eggplant.

I once use to joke about suing GM for producing quality vehicles. Because they were well-made and safe, they denied me of the opportunity to sue for damages, therefore, costing me potential settlement cash. Perhaps that might work today, owing to the crazy nature of this country at this moment.

Peoples . . . watch out for those bans and regulations. We are heading towards a huge problem we cannot begin to understand. And do not fret the pink slime, it won't kill ya.
You have GOT to be kidding me. ICS actually went affer a private citizen who did what anybody would do if they had a piece of good dirt and conscious about what they consume so they grow their own produce? Now that is waaaay too far. Thatwould make me boil (or plant the ics rep in the ground with the tomatoes when they come snooping around)...talk about some plump JOOSIE ripe monster,maters with "all that fertizer".

That really crossing th ev line fining someone because they opt out of the "system".. Oh I do like the GM suitx count me in! Why cant they do something abiut drunk drivers and panzy-svammers and the likes and let us take care of whaf we grow....(hmmm neighbor.s growing brownies out back....well...ingredients fer a batch...lol)

The moo-goo-guy pan got me HUNGRY again....im trying to stay in that "happy place" before I think about some rancid food again....DANG IT! IT happened .
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You have GOT to be kidding me. ICS actually went affer a private citizen who did what anybody would do if they had a piece of good dirt and conscious about what they consume so they grow their own produce? Now that is waaaay too far. Thatwould make me boil (or plant the ics rep in the ground with the tomatoes when they come snooping around)...talk about some plump JOOSIE ripe monster,maters with "all that fertizer".

That really crossing th ev line fining someone because they opt out of the "system".. Oh I do like the GM suitx count me in! Why cant they do something abiut drunk drivers and panzy-svammers and the likes and let us take care of whaf we grow....(hmmm neighbor.s growing brownies out back....well...ingredients fer a batch...lol)

The moo-goo-guy pan got me HUNGRY again....im trying to stay in that "happy place" before I think about some rancid food again....DANG IT! IT happened .
I will try to find the story.
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Yes, it would be interesting reading fir sure. But at the same time shows that looks like the org need heavy restrictions imposed on them. It sounds out of control when organizations has too much power dictating how we eat, breath and sleep.
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Yes, it would be interesting reading fir sure. But at the same time shows that looks like the org need heavy restrictions imposed on them. It sounds out of control when organizations has too much power dictating how we eat, breath and sleep.
I don't know if it's the same case that he is talking about, but if not the legal reasoning behind it is certainly related to the landmark Wickard v. Filburn Supreme Court decision.

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A farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat for on-farm consumption. The U.S. government had established limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to drive up wheat prices during the Great Depression, and Filburn was growing more than the limits permitted. Filburn was ordered to destroy his crops and pay a fine, even though he was producing the excess wheat for his own use and had no intention of selling it.
The Supreme Court interpreted the United States Constitution's Commerce Clause under Article 1 Section 8, which permits the United States Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government.
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W H A T - A - CRYNG SHAME! To literally read that article and realize our own govt and commerce system saw, all alongw, opportunities to relieve the effects of the depression of the 1930's but , instead, CONTRIBUTED to worsening the economy, literally responsible for inflated prices and fined agheyencies or individuals if they grew and produced food over "a u.s. quota"? Did I read it right that a person would be fined if they offered aid to indians?
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W H A T - A - CRYNG SHAME! To literally read that article and realize our own govt and commerce system saw, all alongw, opportunities to relieve the effects of the depression of the 1930's but , instead, CONTRIBUTED to worsening the economy, literally responsible for inflated prices and fined agheyencies or individuals if they grew and produced food over "a u.s. quota"? Did I read it right that a person would be fined if they offered aid to indians?

Basically, while the country starved, lost land and homes, families were dismantled, children separated from families and lived in soup-lines and alleys, our elected PUBLIC SERVANTS "humbly" ate well and stayed "plump" dining from the "cream of the crops", no doubt.


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Just watched an interesting story on 60 Minutes about the "flavorizing" of our foods. Anybody else catch it?
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I would have liked to see that but didn't know it was on! Spill the "flavored" beens! What were some things fda is approving? What gets me (semi-rant) is how the fda and "regulators" approve, pass with a Grade-A and force consumers to chew and swallow stuff we probably wouldnt feed to a dog....and yet, they go further and restrict kids from bringing home-lunches. But now, Flavorizing a rotten egg to taste like a banana has gone too far!

I know locally we have this whole-food store FILLED with every sort of "oversmell" that makes yo almost impulse-buy. I mean, walk by the the apples display and you'd think you are in an acual orchard followed by the scent of Granny's homemade hot apple pie! Then walk pass other produfe and get a scent of what we think the product would taste like.

Okay, heres wharr I could "see" some "fda help" with flavorizing: here I go down the banana display (and you KNOW you loved mama's banana puding! ) Being the monkey boi that I "is"...I went "APE SCHICK!" all-up-in-there! I mean, senses-overload made me bring home so many bananas like I was stocking a fallout shelter so to survive the iminent Bananageddon! When I got home with my truckload and peeled one of them sweet-home morselsx,...i said WHAT!...started peeling one after the other...NARRY A ONE tasted like what the store mad them smell... So "this time only", would I have appreciated some "fda approved 'whole-food natural-artifical-synthetic-soybean-based imitation banana flavorizing' just' so I wouldnt feel ive wasted money.
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