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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:13 PM   #101 (permalink)
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It's sort of hypocritical that conservatives complain about the government being involved in the health insurance, but have no problem with the government involvement in crop insurance.

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The Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC) is a wholly owned government corporation managed by the Risk Management Agency of the United States Department of Agriculture. FCIC manages the federal crop insurance program, which provides U.S. farmers and agricultural entities with crop insurance protection.

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Old July 26th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #102 (permalink)
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People who create premises out of thin air should be skinned.
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Old July 26th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Huge difference between crop insurance and health insurance, but why not conflate the two if it props up our argument.
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Old July 26th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #104 (permalink)
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This is another federal income tax. What compels participation? Penalty. Who/ what enforces it? Irs. You contracted with the Fed when you received your ssn, opened a bank account, opened a line of credit, registered any vessel. Everything commerce/corp. (public) is within the jurisdiction of the Fed. A good read about this tax voodoo is written by George Merceir called INVISIBLE CONTRACTS.
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Old July 27th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Huge difference between crop insurance and health insurance, but why not conflate the two if it props up our argument.
One is a taxpayer subsidy for the rich, one is a taxpayer subsidy for the poor.
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Old July 27th, 2012, 09:39 PM   #106 (permalink)
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The health care system is broken. You are paying for the uninsured to have healthcare one way or another, so you might as well insure them and allow them to get the preventative care they need to bring down costs.


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Old August 9th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #107 (permalink)
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It seems Republicans don't know how to react to Romneycare...

Mitt Romney aide's health care remarks spark flap | ksdk.com

He did something good for MA, but now he want to make it bad as a whole!
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This is really disturbing, If this was implemented on a poor country like ours people would be weeping and jails would be full of people only living their lives healthily. Health insurance and anything should be bought given the option to buy or not. It shouldn't be pushed towards people as a requirement for freedom
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Individual Healthcare mandate upheld
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Smartest move Obama made was basing what he wanted on what a Republican had done.

We already have social medicine in this country. Its called the E.R. Guess who pays for it with their tax money.
Trying to find vid of an interview with a local doctor who states the reason why most medical groups are against this is because they will not make as much profit off our tax dollars under this system. Poor minimum wage doctors.

When you go to the Hospital with out insurance you are charged at a much higher rate than the negotiated rates of insurance companies, SS and wellfare. This higher rate is the loss the Hospital claims when people don't pay and is subsidized on.

I don't like Obama's plan but like the other way a lot less.
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It's interesting how our politicians are when it comes to election time. They will say or do whatever it takes to win.

Mitt Romney: My health care law is evidence of empathy | ksdk.com
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:56 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Poor Mitt, has to employ a clean up crew every time he speaks.

Rachel Maddow Rips Mitt Romney For Lies In Campaign Ads (VIDEO)
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Old September 27th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #113 (permalink)
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One thing is for certain, he's telling everybody his true intentions as President.

1. He's going to appeal Obamacare. Even though his plan was similar in MA.
2. If you do not make over $200,000 per year, he have no help for you.
3. He do not care for anybody who's in the 47 percentage group(under middle-class)

Those who intend on voting for him and not making over $200,000 is wasting their vote.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 08:55 AM   #114 (permalink)
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This is MY experiences and MY take on this.

1. The biggest problem is the lack of knowledge that Medicad is available to a large group of people an they don't even know it. In Minnesota, your eligibility is based on 1. if you can get insurance from your employer and 2. your income and 3. if you have dependents under 18. You are not eligible if you can get insurance through your employer, but if eligible, you will have a monthly premium which is based off of your income. Some will pay nothing under this model. Some are just to lazy to do the required paperwork to get insured. Language is not an issue as the instructions and forms are provided in just about any needed.

2. The only problem that I had was in 2008, I ended up heading to emergency for a problem that had slowly cropped up. I was losing feeling in all parts of my body and was getting to the point where I could barely walk. I want to hospital A (that is what I will call it), watched the whole Monday Night Football game in the waiting room before seeing a Dr. Once in the treatment room, the Dr did not even touch me and prescribed 2 prescriptions and told me to see my family physician. I made an appointment for the following Monday but ended up trying a different hospital because I had a bad fall (hospital B), and was on a gurney and in a treatment room in less than 2 minutes of entering their doors. The difference was hospital A took my insurance info before treatment and knew I was on Medicad while hospital B treated me regardless of whether I had insurance or not.

While I have had a generally good experience with Medicad, I can see the argument about the quality of treatment while on a government provided insurance plan. I have talked to a few other people who have had the same experiences with hospital A. This leads me to believe that my treatment there was not isolated to me. That is the only hard evidence I have and I will never go to hospital A again.

I think a form of Obamacare can work if done properly. I am now on Medicare and this is good insurance. It is not free like so many think, I pay just over $200 a month and is well worth it. And I get tired of these politicians calling it an entitlement. I have paid into this my whole life. I feel a true entitlement is the full retirement these Senators get for just one term in office.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand that Medicare needs to get fixed and get rid of all the waste, but with politics the way they are I don't see this happening any time soon.
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