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Old July 16th, 2012, 01:53 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Only a total fool would NOT agree with Mr. Limbaugh. His accuracy and track record speaks for itself. You might hate Rush, but you cannot call him a liar or say he misleads his "Dittoheads."

You do not listen to him so why comment on something you do not understand and you do know know anything about?
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Bernard Madoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Madoff undertook charity work for the Gift of Life Bone Marrow Foundation and made philanthropic gifts through the Madoff Family Foundation, a $19 million private foundation, which he managed along with his wife.[20] They donated money to hospitals and theaters.[

Madoff broke the law. Are you alleging the Koch brothers are doing the same? Evidence please? Cuz so far I see nothing they are doing that is objectionable. Well, unless you disagree with their politics anyway.
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In Pawlenty, Romney Campaign May Find Down-to-Earth Appeal

Christian Right Warns Romney on Condi VP Pick
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Madoff broke the law. Are you alleging the Koch brothers are doing the same? Evidence please? Cuz so far I see nothing they are doing that is objectionable. Well, unless you disagree with their politics anyway.
At the time Madoff was making the donations, he hadn't been caught.

Al Capone started the first soup kitchens during the depression, he was also paying off politicians at the time.

The good and bad give to charity, sometimes for public relations.
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I did a quick search on those evil Koch brothers since they are apparently poster children for the evil billionaires. ...
You may need to improve search skills. It's been discussed on this site recently.

http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/542058-ive-lost-all-faith-humanity.html#post4333849
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At the time Madoff was making the donations, he hadn't been caught.

Al Capone started the first soup kitchens during the depression, he was also paying off politicians at the time.

The good and bad give to charity, sometimes for public relations.
Yeah, yeah yeah and Mussolini made the trains run on time. Red herring much?

This started with someone making the argument that conservative rich people only give to causes that bring them more money while liberal rich people give to causes that make the world a better place. To this I responded with citations of those horrible Koch brothers actually giving to make the world a better place. Then you toss Madoff in there. Complete red herring.

I'll bet money if the Koch brothers were giving money to liberal causes instead of conservative ones no one would care. Anecdotally at least it would seem to be a myth that rich people tend to be more conservative politically. There are (according to CBS) 25 millionaires in Congress, 14 Democrats and 11 Republicans. If you look at the list of the top 10 billionaires in the US it shakes down that way too. Gates, Ellison and Buffet top the list and all are Democrats. Christy Walton gave to both parties. Then the rest of the list is basically made up of both Kochs and four Waltons. All four Waltons gave to the Republicans. Not sure how accurate this is as families tend to have the same politics and none of the Waltons really earned their money, they just inherited it like the Kochs did.
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Gates, Ellison and Buffet top the list and all are Democrats.
From my research, I saw that Buffet was quoted as saying he is not a card-carrying Democrat, I assume it means he's not one. Gates is more independent, because he donate to both parties. Not sure about Ellison at all.

Do you have any links on them being Democrats?
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From my research, I saw that Buffet was quoted as saying he is not a card-carrying Democrat, I assume it means he's not one. Gates is more independent, because he donate to both parties. Not sure about Ellison at all.

Do you have any links on them being Democrats?
Just that they've donated to the Democratic party in the past. Buffet may not be a card-carrying Democrat, but he has publicly endorsed Obama and donated to his campaign. Gates has been known to publicly endorse taxing the wealthier more which is a liberal cause for sure. You are right though that he tends to back whatever party seems to be best at the time and has given to both parties. Ellison is a Democrat as best I can tell. At the very least he gives mainly to Democratic candidates. He's given to Republicans as well, but his giving skews heavily toward the Democratic side. He gave to Feinstein and Boxer for instance which either indicates his politics lean toward the left or that he thought they were going to win regardless and was trying to sway favor. It's always hard to tell.
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... I'll bet money if the Koch brothers were giving money to liberal causes instead of conservative ones no one would care. ...
BS, the wing nutjobs would be screaming bloody murder, demanding Koch Industries be seized for being a RICO and the Koch brother be hunted down and jailed.

Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales - Bloomberg

"Phil Dubose, a Koch employee who testified against the company said he and his colleagues were shown by their managers how to steal and cheat -- using techniques they called the Koch Method."

“How much lawless behavior are we going to tolerate from any one company?” asks David Uhlmann, who oversaw the prosecution of the Koch refinery division when he was chief of the environmental crimes unit at the U.S. Department of Justice. “Corporate cultures reflect the priorities of the corporation and its senior officials.”

"Internal company documents show that the company made those sales through foreign subsidiaries, thwarting a U.S. trade ban. Koch Industries units have also rigged prices with competitors, lied to regulators and repeatedly run afoul of environmental regulations, resulting in five criminal convictions since 1999 in the U.S. and Canada."
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Name one business run by prominent Democrats that has been singled out for this kind of criticism. Koch is headquartered here locally. I've interviewed with them before. I've got friends who work there. That article does not describe the culture of the company at all.

Any time you've got a company that big you've got people running around doing things they shouldn't and covering it up. If you'd read the article, you'd see that Koch has a long history of winning workplace awards. The fact that one of their subsidiaries was selling to Iran wasn't illegal either. Just saying.

Koch Industries is simply a corporation. Corporations are amoral.
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Well, we can forget about her being his VP...

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Name one business run by prominent Democrats that has been singled out for this kind of criticism.
Can't think of one that has five criminal convictions. Thought there was a law after three criminal convictions you go to jail for a long time. Corporations are people too.

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I'll vouch for you during your next interview that you have defended them despite overwhelming evidence they are a threat to the country.

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Can't think of one that has five criminal convictions. Thought there was a law after three criminal convictions you go to jail for a long time. Corporations are people too.
Corporations aren't people in any sense other than legally.
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Not according to Mr Romney.
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...to be continued
That was never gonna happen.
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Wtf???
Remember, laws had to be passed to free the slaves and give them rights as people, so humans aren't people in any since other than legally. Prior to that time human slaves were property.

Anyway, thought I would get a chuckle.
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I completely and totally disagree with you but then we get into a philosophical discussion about what it means to be human.
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I didn't know there are any Democrat billionaires. I thought all of them are Republicans. Care to name any?
George Soros, Peter Lewis, Haim Saban

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WTF is the hate for the Koch brother's all of a sudden? They are local yokels so I'm familiar with them and none of them have received any coverage at all ever until recently.
Why the hate? Well at least a few decimal points of global warming in the next century at the very least.
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Frank Rich on the National Circus: Mitt Can

"All the betting seems to be on Tim Pawlenty, and with good reason because he’s Romney’s idea of a diversity pick: He may be another boring white guy, but TPaw (has there ever been a guy less suited to this kind of nickname?) wasn’t born into wealth and comes from Minnesota, not Michigan, and thus enlivens the ticket with a slightly different variety of Midwestern accent."
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Romney made an app out of my thread!

Mitt’s VP
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But, at 12387 kb, I can’t even try it.
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I completely and totally disagree with you but then we get into a philosophical discussion about what it means to be human.
What matters if the law says you're property, "a philosophical discussion about what it means to be human." is about as useful as how many angels can fit on a pin.
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Speculation intensifies around Romney's running-mate selection
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Sit back, relax, have a beer. We will know soon enough. Pretty sure it won't be Harry Reid, though.
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Dems want Romney to make bold but risky running mate choice

“Strategists suggested Wednesday that the choice of popular candidates like House Budget Committee Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), or Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell could all excite Romney's conservative base -- but provide plenty of fodder for President Obama's re-election campaign.”
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Poll: Voters prefer Rubio as VP
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Mitt Romney Set To Pick Rep. Paul Ryan As Running Mate | The Huffington Post
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President Wilson wrote that a VP’s only significance “consists in the fact that he may cease to be Vice President.”

Anyway, came across this article from the Smithsonian.

The Vice Presidents That History Forgot | History & Archaeology | Smithsonian Magazine
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One again, Mitt Romney shows his utter lack of backbone and folds like an accordion to the *********s. Pathetic. This guy is seriously an empty vessel. I wonder if he's really a robot sent by the Mormons to take over the world.
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wonder if he's really a robot sent by the Mormons to take over the world.
Considering the hostility he has already generated outside of the US I hope not.
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One again, Mitt Romney shows his utter lack of backbone and folds like an accordion to the *********s. Pathetic. This guy is seriously an empty vessel. I wonder if he's really a robot sent by the Mormons to take over the world.
By the very fact you used the term "*********s" shows your bias. Anybody that does not adhere to the left's agenda is discredited with conjecture and hyperbole.

The only thing I do not like is the "Tea Party" calling themselves that, since IMO it is lame to peg a name to yourself and a tad presumptuous. Being fiscally disciplined is noble, but establishing a name invites the asinine tags like "*********s". Not to mention the extreme far right (religious zealots) might latch on to the group.

That said, I am a hypocrite, since I utterly despise anybody who thinks they (the elite in their own mind) are "better" than others and should tell me how to live (while they do the opposite). Not to mention give my money I worked hard for to people that make no effort to work, but are happy to get government handouts. For folks that genuinely need support and help to get by- cool, but not people that suck up to government just to get a handout and avoid actually contributing to the economy.


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If "empty vessel" is the standard, we can have lots of fun with Obama and Biden.
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Some want Romney to choose a Rubio, a Rice or someone at least well-known and/or truly conservative. But I think he’s got to pick a complete unknown so as to not cloud his message, whatever that is.
I was wrong and I’m glad:

Romney selects Paul Ryan as VP
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“Strategists suggested Wednesday that the choice of popular candidates like House Budget Committee Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), or Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell could all excite Romney's conservative base -- but provide plenty of fodder for President Obama's re-election campaign.”
Regardless of who is picked, that will happen. Therefore, dwelling on any reasonable pick makes any specificity superfluous as a result. Most of the media will ally like they did since 2008 and negative spin away.
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Natalie Portman? I would so vote for her.

I just wish she would reprise her role from The Professional and take the "hitman" mantel. Call it "Matilda's Day".
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Think Mitt blew it here myself. With Ryan he's going to alienate the center right and totally p off the baby boomers.

I can't help but wonder is someone like Portman would have been a better pick - might have at least swayed voters on Ohio. In addition it would make it easier for Republicans still sitting on the fence to feel they have someone there that represents them. With a Romney/Ryan vehicle it feels like they are now directly going to ensure the 1%ers will be the real victors if they win.

Now, what I'd like to see is the Tea Party stand up for their convictions and separate from the GOP. Let's see how much the country is in favor of them then.
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I think it all depends on the flow and trend. The current trend has been a relatively heavy shift to the left. The aggregate of this ticket is a marginal correction of that trend, so should fit well.

As far as the one percent, if they suffer, so does a large chunk of the 99%. Too much correlation to the banks and investments, which drive the economy. Much to the chagrin of the Obama camp.
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Let's get on record exactly what a nutter Paul Ryan is:

Paul Ryan: Obamacare needs to be repealed because rights come from 'God' | Examiner.com

Paul Ryan Sponsored Fetal Personhood Bill, Opposes Family Planning Funds | The Huffington Post

How the Paul Ryan plan gives to the rich and destroys America | Examiner.com

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Shocker. The left is bashing a Romney decision.
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Just wondering how the same people who ridiculed John Kerry as a "flip-flopper" can rationalize supporting Mitt Romney, who has never held a core conviction that couldn't be changed in the search for votes.

And right wingers, please give up the crutch of whining about the "liberal media" as the root of all your problems. The liberal media is a myth. It might have existed 30 years ago, but now the media is so gun shy about being called biased they bend over backwards to the point they have gone the other direction.

Let's see, the "liberal media" has:
Let Al Gore, who was basically the most honest man in Washington, be branded as a liar.
Let John Kerry, a war hero, be swift boated without a peep.
Let Bush get away with just refusing to answer questions about past drug use and left it at that. Not to mention we still don't know where he was when he was AWOL (well, we pretty much know he was with daddy, but the media just let that go)
There's plenty more examples, but the so-called "liberal media" is dead. You won. Get over it.
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Shocker. The left is bashing a Romney decision.
Indeed. Like you, I'm not surprised that Romney has made yet another poor decision worthy of criticism.
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To be honest - no matter who was picked Romney would have still been bashed.

I just feel he lost an opportunity to reconnect with the middle class here.
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All I'll say here is that I am not a big Romney fan BUT anyone/anything is better than obummer.
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Why do you feel that way, exactly?
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Why do you feel that way, exactly?
I could understand why - even though I support him. He's been quite a polorizing figure and took a huge gamble with 'ObamaCare'. I personally feel he's not been given enough chance yet given that the entire planet seems to be in some sort of fiscal crisis right now, nor have Congress helped. However people like to blame the man at the top when things are bad.
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Just a "tad" of conjecture in there. He was taken out of context with the rights statement. His point was people keep taking away others rights.

Should we also post the list of nutty things Obama and Biden have? They make both Bush 2 and Quale seem like master oraters and omnipotent beings in comparison.
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Just wondering how the same people who ridiculed John Kerry as a "flip-flopper" can rationalize supporting Mitt Romney, who has never held a core conviction that couldn't be changed in the search for votes.

And right wingers, please give up the crutch of whining about the "liberal media" as the root of all your problems. The liberal media is a myth. It might have existed 30 years ago, but now the media is so gun shy about being called biased they bend over backwards to the point they have gone the other direction.

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Let Al Gore, who was basically the most honest man in Washington, be branded as a liar.
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Let Bush get away with just refusing to answer questions about past drug use and left it at that. Not to mention we still don't know where he was when he was AWOL (well, we pretty much know he was with daddy, but the media just let that go)
There's plenty more examples, but the so-called "liberal media" is dead. You won. Get over it.
It's come to the point the media in attempt to seen as fair would report a politicians claim that the earth is flat as "Politicians debate the shape of the Earth".
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