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Old August 23rd, 2012, 09:55 AM   #51 (permalink)
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From your cited source "noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of the Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center, concluded that no crime was committed, and that Rich's companies' tax-reporting position was reasonable.[9] In the same essay Clinton listed Libby as one of three "distinguished Republican lawyers" who supported a pardon for Marc Rich."
Besides Federal Prosecutor James Comey others were critical as well:

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According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.[21] Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon. Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."

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Old August 23rd, 2012, 03:59 PM   #52 (permalink)
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And where were you 4 years ago when Obama was raising twice as much money as McCain and the Republicans were complaining about how unfair the system was?

And where are those wealthy Democratic donors from 4 years ago?
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 04:25 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Besides Federal Prosecutor James Comey others were critical as well:
The Shadow of Marc Rich - ProPublica

"The president's authority to grant pardons is enshrined in the Constitution and cannot be undone by any other branch of government. Presidents can pardon anyone, from individuals to large groups, and can act at any moment in a federal criminal case. Another historic act of clemency — President Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon — occurred before any charges had been brought."

"Bush granted the fewest pardons — 189 — of any modern-day president except his father, who served only one term. Obama is on pace to be even more parsimonious, forgiving only 22 people in his first three years in office while rejecting nearly 900. Officials said he has continued Bush's practice of following the pardon office's recommendations."
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 05:47 PM   #54 (permalink)
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... And where are those wealthy Democratic donors from 4 years ago?
The Democrats are the best chance to get the bribery/extortion system in check. They did make an attempt to at least do away with anonymous 501(c)(4) political donations, but the Republicans defeated the bill.

The financial institutions know that Romney will do away with those pesky rules, so they can go back to gambling, with the taxpayer picking up the tab for losing bets.

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Pg. 2 "Clearly, Obama is suffering a major problem with the big financial institutions, which gave overwhelmingly to his campaign in 2008. This time around, they are holding back; in fact, Citigroup, G.E., JP Morgan, and Morgan Stanley are all among Mitt Romney’s top donors. That furthers the idea that these companies are not giving for ideological reasons, but for the purpose of access – and they have intuited that the GOP will offer them a better deal moving forward. (Incidentally, this points to tensions in a potential Romney administration, which will have to balance these groups against the decidedly Jeffersonian Tea Party.)"
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And the wealthy non-banking people who supported Obama in 2008 aren't giving why? Because they view Obama's performance as underwhelming at best.
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And the wealthy non-banking people who supported Obama in 2008 aren't giving why? Because they view Obama's performance as underwhelming at best.
The Reaganomic policies of the Republicans have bankrupt the country and the middle class, thus the Republican Robber Barons with taxpayer TARP funds and do not tax the divine rich policies generously support the Republican Party to keep the party going.
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The Reaganomic policies of the Republicans have bankrupt the country and the middle class, thus the Republican Robber Barons with taxpayer TARP funds and do not tax the divine rich policies generously support the Republican Party to keep the party going.
And the wealthy people who supported Obama last year have gone where again? You do realize that this is the exact same complaint as last election cycle only the names of the parties are reversed.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 08:11 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Your gift just keeps on giving.

Oh, this poor right wing thug "victim". The people of Idaho are the victims of this American warlord.

Fox News helps raise money for Romney with fake scandal - Video on NBCNews.com
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https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php
This page shows direct fundraising by Obama and Romney.

Obama: ... $348m Small donor: 40%
Romney: .. $192m Small donor: 19%

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/indexp.php
This page shows independent expenditures.

Anti-Obama: ... $93m
Anti-Romney: .. $32m
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https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php
This page shows direct fundraising by Obama and Romney.

Obama: ... $348m Small donor: 40%
Romney: .. $192m Small donor: 19%

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/indexp.php
This page shows independent expenditures.

Anti-Obama: ... $93m
Anti-Romney: .. $32m
That wasn't the case at all 4 years ago. Four years ago wealthy people (especially wealthy liberals) supported Obama. Now they are no longer giving. You'd think that would be a concern to him.
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That wasn't the case at all 4 years ago. Four years ago wealthy people (especially wealthy liberals) supported Obama. Now they are no longer giving. You'd think that would be a concern to him.
Yeah like the Koch brothers, huh?
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Now you're just poking the bear.
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That wasn't the case at all 4 years ago. Four years ago wealthy people (especially wealthy liberals) supported Obama. Now they are no longer giving. You'd think that would be a concern to him.
How are you drawing that conclusion ? Is it because Obama is receiving 40% of his direct funding from small donors ($139M), which is 72% of all Romney donations ?

Obama: ... $348m Small donor: 40%
Romney: .. $192m Small donor: 19%
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Now you're just poking the bear.
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Yep and that $6 billion plus a huge mark up will be paid by voters.

Jimmy Carter slams ?financial corruption? in U.S. elections - World - CBC News

"You know how much I raised to run against Gerald Ford? Zero," Carter said, referring to his 1976 general election opponent. "You know how much I raised to run against Ronald Reagan? Zero. You know how much will be raised this year by all presidential, Senate and House campaigns? $6 billion. That's 6,000 millions."
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How to buy an election. Why is Pierre the capital of South Dakota ? At least those that had a financial interest were motivated to vote and incur a return on their investment.

How a Corporation Legally Bought an Election - Bloomberg

"WIC’s executives initially asked the town of Huron for land grants, hopeful that the local government would realize that WIC stockholders would then have a strong incentive to vote for Huron in the plebiscite. After being rebuffed there, they solicited Pierre, which wisely granted the company a number of city lots. Realizing that the value of those lots would increase if Pierre won, WIC’s thousands of stockholders turned out en masse, clinching the election for the tiny hamlet on the big river in 1889, the year South Dakota officially became a state. The following year, with taxpayer resources already sunk into Pierre, and WIC stockholders still eager to boost the isolated outpost for their own gain, Huron lost the election to be the permanent capital, too."
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