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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Romney campaign got its IT from Best Buy, Staples, and friends | Ars Technica

Will Staples' New Win 8 Ad Campaign Offend Customers?

The Geek Squads strike again.

If Staples runs an ad like that -- not too high in the brain dept and very lousy marketing.

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For one thing, he couldnt spell "AMERCIA"
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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Maybe he shoulda smoked some Marijuana...
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Romney campaign got its IT from Best Buy, Staples, and friends | Ars Technica

Will Staples' New Win 8 Ad Campaign Offend Customers?

The Geek Squads strike again.

If Staples runs an ad like that -- not too high in the brain dept and very lousy marketing.
That's a very interesting article about the Romney campaign. That's the kind of article you wouldn't hear about in the regular media. I think its telling that he awarded all the big contracts to his friends and big campaign donors.
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If there was one single thing that iced him, it was when he said forty-seven percent.
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And a for sure thing that iced his campaign......

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My Way News - Top Republicans say Romney didn't offer specifics
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The reason Romney lost is because we have so many people who want to get free stuff. It saddens me when youths plan for life is to "do it just right to draw off welfare" and do the minimal amount to get their. Trust me, McDonalds and Walmart are always hiring. Jobs can be found if one truly wants to work
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The reason Romney lost is because we have so many people who want to get free stuff. It saddens me when youths plan for life is to "do it just right to draw off welfare" and do the minimal amount to get their. Trust me, McDonalds and Walmart are always hiring. Jobs can be found if one truly wants to work
Well a lot of Romney voters want to indirectly benefit from government services while paying a pittance for 'em.

Also, TIL that McDonalds and Walmart have several million vacancies. Well paid vacancies, I am sure.
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He never did. Since 2008, the only thing the republicans "focused" on was to "get that guy out of the whitehouse". That's it. No qualifying candidates whatsoever. No real answer to any questions butbthe political run-around response. They pÔssed off practically every group they tried to impress to get a vote. And for some reason they let the bi-polar "rants" of Dum Trump and The Noot Boys be their primary "mouthpiece". I wonder if theyve finally realized DumpTrump was blowing his trumpet from the other end all that time.

If the republicans learn anything fromnthe last two elections is this: We live in the present and a lot of decades removed from a once dominated mindset. If they want the majority of Americans to believe and trust in their ideals, they need to catch up with the times and take off the Country Klub Blazier and mingle with the rest of "America"
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He never did. Since 2008, the only thing the republicans "focused" on was to "get that guy out of the whitehouse". That's it. No qualifying candidates whatsoever. No real answer to any questions butbthe political run-around response. They pÔssed off practically every group they tried to impress to get a vote. And for some reason they let the bi-polar "rants" of Dum Trump and The Noot Boys be their primary "mouthpiece". I wonder if theyve finally realized DumpTrump was blowing his trumpet from the other end all that time.

If the republicans learn anything fromnthe last two elections is this: We live in the present and a lot of decades removed from a once dominated mindset. If they want the majority of Americans to believe and trust in their ideals, they need to catch up with the times and take off the Country Klub Blazier and mingle with the rest of "America"
The mindset has not at all changed. Only who makes up the minorities. If you look at census reports, you clearly see over time the minorities who always vote Democrat, which you should vote for morals not the party, have significantly increased
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The mindset has not at all changed. Only who makes up the minorities. If you look at census reports, you clearly see over time the minorities who always vote Democrat, which you should vote for morals not the party, have significantly increased
Simon I am sorry, I meant to say You Are Correct:

The mindset has not changed. The republican mindset jas been and still for "the country club" .. Those days are over and done. Yes the dems may have increased. Some of which may have been born into and raised "republican" That is the "need to change" I am speaking of. Not one issue that were addraddressed this election , did the rspublicans straightfordly provide a "today's world solution".

Their holding onto oldworld "mindset" costed them two presidential terms (and if they throw another trumpstunt and back up his "malarky", it simply makes the party look bad and puts a bad taste on voters mouths.

The party need to "prove" to me that they have lowly me interests as their "primsary concern"... Allowing Rick Perry in there, only pushed me awag another 8years.
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I honestly think though if Romney would of put all ad money he raised straight into our trillions of debt, he easily would have one. That would make everyone see he wants to make a difference. And even if Obama did it afterwords, he would just be coppying Romney. (I should be a campaign leader)
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When I saw a web ad that said "Help Romney Win Donate $5"......i knew he lost.
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Kennedy, who was just as wealthy, donated his presidential salary. Do you suppose Romney would?
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Would Romney do what? Ha! (and in response to #8....looks to me thst ROMNEY wanted" free stuff"....begging for $5). His message to AMERCIA was "if you get to be as rich as I, you are exempt from "taxes" and you beg others to fund your campaign". Perry on the other hand simply TOOK what he wanted from the state! Cut all sorts of programs , blew it all then blamed it on "a sleep disorder"....yup #8 that message goes the same for republicans.

Kennedy was for the nation of people. Cant say that for romney or the csndidates the republicans had this election.
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The problem with #8 statement is that R's think everything is a welfare case just because you want to help out your neighbor. I wonder what they do ehen they are in need? Surely all republicans aren rich like Rom.... I betcha most seniors in nursinghomes have rpublican children...because they feel caring for their aged parents at home is a welfare situation.....giving them something for free , and making their last days be of unfamiliar surroumdings.
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I honestly think though if Romney would of put all ad money he raised straight into our trillions of debt, he easily would have one. That would make everyone see he wants to make a difference. And even if Obama did it afterwords, he would just be coppying Romney. (I should be a campaign leader)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think at the end of the day that Obama raised more money than Romney did.
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I think that all the damn fundraising should have gone to the national debt instead of assaulting our ears with nasty commercials. (both sides)

I really think people might pay attention once or twice, then ignore the ad. That doesn't give any return for the money spent. Some of these ad agencies are deluding themselves.

Some of the PACS were really nasty. And after the comment about the 47% and the apology to supporters about not being able to deal with the opposition's handouts to special groups put paid to any credibility about being for the people in general.

No one ever polled on how many hit the MUTE button?
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Maybe "official" contributions, but highly doubtful if you include the big Super PAC money.
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Maybe "official" contributions, but highly doubtful if you include the big Super PAC money.
Maybe. Can you really hold Romney responsible for that though?

Edit: Just looked it up just for grins and giggles. The Super PACs definitely spent way more on anti-Obama ads than they did on anti-Romney ads. The official Obama campaign out spent Romney by about $100 mil though.
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...its allll in the game of politics,...
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I think that all the damn fundraising should have gone to the national debt instead of assaulting our ears with nasty commercials. (both sides)

I really think people might pay attention once or twice, then ignore the ad. That doesn't give any return for the money spent. Some of these ad agencies are deluding themselves.

Some of the PACS were really nasty. And after the comment about the 47% and the apology to supporters about not being able to deal with the opposition's handouts to special groups put paid to any credibility about being for the people in general.

No one ever polled on how many hit the MUTE button?
There should really just be very tight limits on advertising. Likewise, advertising should be informative, if it is on TV or Radio. If there is a scandal the press can publish it themselves as they should, be grand.
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Only problem with that is the 1st amendment. Sadly it's not illegal to call your opponent a filthy lying scuzzbucket even if you are one yourself.
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Internal polling reveals why Romney believed he would win | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

AFAIK, there's no law saying you have to even TALK to a pollster. Or tell them the truth.
Results will eventually get skewed if everyone doesn't participate. If we don't, that might put paid to the pollster pests.
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Maybe. Can you really hold Romney responsible for that though?

Edit: Just looked it up just for grins and giggles. The Super PACs definitely spent way more on anti-Obama ads than they did on anti-Romney ads. The official Obama campaign out spent Romney by about $100 mil though.
I can't blame anybody for raising money. It's what they do. It's not like either side can unilaterally disarm. The laws should never have been changed to allow the unlimited, unaccountable money to come in in the first place.
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I can't blame anybody for raising money. It's what they do. It's not like either side can unilaterally disarm. The laws should never have been changed to allow the unlimited, unaccountable money to come in in the first place.
exactly. You'll get big huge lobbying corperations that's goal is to, for instance ban farmers out of there Alost dominant control. Maybe like att and they want to buy sprint and T-Mobile.... the President would be able to help and well no competition. That would mean high prices and more greed
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AFAIK, there's no law saying you have to even TALK to a pollster. Or tell them the truth.
Results will eventually get skewed if everyone doesn't participate. If we don't, that might put paid to the pollster pests.
Yes, he sure did think he cinched this election. Election day started out like the 1st debate. Then imagine the jaw-dropping when things kicked in resulting just like the second debate: without a doubt and not even a "close" call at all.

Whats this all aboutwith Romney visiting the Whitehouse? Im sorry, no matter how much Romney makes a "presence" as if hes suddenly someone to be trusted and a "friend" of the dems. No, Dont be fooled, hes trying to "build" a new personality so to run again next election. Once a Romney, always a Romney.
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I can't blame anybody for raising money. It's what they do. It's not like either side can unilaterally disarm. The laws should never have been changed to allow the unlimited, unaccountable money to come in in the first place.
I don't know. I have mixed feelings to be honest. A lot of complaining about the changes came from the Dems. They were the party that profited the least so a lot of it came off as sour grapes tbh. And, for all the spending, the Dems won anyway so I don't know how much it hurt them really.
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Getting back to tech - whether you like Obama or not, he is more with the generation of people on this forum. He does understand Twitter and social media. Romney and his ilk understand how to make money from social media, but are too used to cutting deals in private and not communicating to the masses. Those who are used to dealing behind closed doors will either push for more control over what's posted, or lose transparency totally.

Look for more marketing and professional posters on social sites. This might eventually kill the sites we know and start up new ones so people can just have fun.

When JFK ran, the was a whole big stink about the Pope being involved in US politics. (JFK was catholic) Geraldine Ferraro got dissed due to sex, and even Joe Lieberman got dissed since he's Jewish. Romney got it for being a Mormon. The sexism might go, but I think most Americans would prefer to keep religion out of politics. We've had almost all religions hit with some kind of scandal and sensationalism draws attention.

Over the issue of political nonsense, no reporter ever asked Michelle Bachman about her comment of being "submissive" to her husband. Did that mean that if she was elected, her husband would be running the country?

We had that before with Edith Bolling Wilson.
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Is that a problem though? I guess how it is interpreted changes things, but free speech and democracy are intertwined, yet in most democracies such campaigns would not be allowed.
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I dont know, religion can be an issue. I am more comfortable with politicians who dont ardently support backwards religions (ie no to Evangelicals, Mormons, strong Muslims/Catholics/Jews etc). If they are a Protestant or Catholic/Jew lite or properly secular then its fine, mostly anyway
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Is that a problem though? I guess how it is interpreted changes things, but free speech and democracy are intertwined, yet in most democracies such campaigns would not be allowed.
I don't think it's a problem at all. In the age we live in you can find the truth about a candidate pretty easily and as a general rule of thumb it's usually somewhere between what the candidate is saying about himself and what the candidates opponent is saying about it. I am trying to wrap my mind around a democracy that claims to have free speech then controls what lies politicians can tell about themselves and their opponents. Seems weird to me.
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I don't think it's a problem at all. In the age we live in you can find the truth about a candidate pretty easily and as a general rule of thumb it's usually somewhere between what the candidate is saying about himself and what the candidates opponent is saying about it. I am trying to wrap my mind around a democracy that claims to have free speech then controls what lies politicians can tell about themselves and their opponents. Seems weird to me.
Personally I think its a problem if political ads hijack TV, and they are almost all attack ads, and often with little truth to back them up.
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It isn't so much the politicians - it's PACS and action groups.

If someone was totally outraged about a Mormon running for office, we had that case a couple of years ago about Warren Jeffs and plural marriage. There is nothing to stop some action group from hammering on that - it isn't libel since they are not associating it with a candidate, it was a real case, but it makes people associate this nonsense with all Mormons by inference. The same goes for other religions.
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Personally I think its a problem if political ads hijack TV, and they are almost all attack ads, and often with little truth to back them up.
I don't disagree with any of that. I rarely get anything worthwhile in the mail. So I skim through it as it comes in, let it pile up and then, once a month, I'll go through it and toss it out after making sure I didn't miss anything important. Going through my mail from November I found at least a dozen mailers from both the Democrats and the Republicans telling me that the other candidate (choose one) hated children, tortured cats, had sold their soul to Satan, supported Obama. It was ridiculous. Such ads aren't going to persuade a single rational person in the world. The only point they serve is to inflame the base. Still, they're perfectly legal under the First Amendment.
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It isn't so much the politicians - it's PACS and action groups.

If someone was totally outraged about a Mormon running for office, we had that case a couple of years ago about Warren Jeffs and plural marriage. There is nothing to stop some action group from hammering on that - it isn't libel since they are not associating it with a candidate, it was a real case, but it makes people associate this nonsense with all Mormons by inference. The same goes for other religions.
We didnt see much of this type of "additional ads" way back. But you are right, more action-groups are funding ads of their own to bash a component. Thats why we started hearing such announcement like "This is .......and I approve this message" so to distinguish their own campaign-funded ad.

But you can BET most of the extra ads this election, espexially in the last two days were Dum Trump-funded. His birth certificate rants didnt work last term and didnt stop a second term. By now, Trumpage is probably a messy ball of sinus and salivage...



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We are still getting the crap here. Colorado was a swing state to begin with, so we got hammered. Now there's a few other issues that are still being pushed. Thanks be for mute buttons on remotes.

I do happen to have a very good memory. That's why some of the ads bothered me. They ran counter to all the news, info, and analysis from a couple of years ago just like the problems didn't occur then, but NOW.

BTW - we've had really divisive politics before. Riots in the 60s, and some people never referred to FDR by name. They called him "That Man" Some of the problems then weren't all that different than today. I think I've seen some very insulting political cartoons from the time of Lincoln! We just didn't have the ads, instant communication, and people were a tad more civil.
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Politics is always a divisive issue for whatever reason. Not just here, but worldwide. Look at South America where they have riots every time there's an election. Sometimes they have riots in the governing chambers.
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There's this, too:

Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High, Wages Just Hit An All-Time Low - Business Insider

SOSDD.

With news like this getting out, that was the other strike against Romney. Bain Capital.

Everyone thinks they have to make their pile immediately and to hell with everyone else, including the country and the economy. I have no objections for those striving for wealth if they do it with some consideration, careful investing and planning. I don't envy their wealth. I do get pissed at the idea that they are better than everyone else just because they have money.

There are people that have given ideas away just to make things better for others. Go look up John Dobson. Maybe a niche, but he could have made a fortune with a patent.
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Oh freaking great:
Wall Street finds a foreign detour around U.S. derivatives rules - Yahoo! News

If this is true we'll have to bail out the damn banks again just so the VIPS can get their million dollar bonuses.
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And guess whose got "swiss bank accounts" where they ship off their bonuses avoiding taxes...
and whose fighting a fair ratio of taxes?




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There's this, too:

Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High, Wages Just Hit An All-Time Low - Business Insider

SOSDD.

With news like this getting out, that was the other strike against Romney. Bain Capital.

Everyone thinks they have to make their pile immediately and to hell with everyone else, including the country and the economy. I have no objections for those striving for wealth if they do it with some consideration, careful investing and planning. I don't envy their wealth. I do get pissed at the idea that they are better than everyone else just because they have money.

There are people that have given ideas away just to make things better for others. Go look up John Dobson. Maybe a niche, but he could have made a fortune with a patent.
Greed is nothing new. Doesn't just affect the wealthy either. Sadly, I don't think it's going away any time soon.
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French political ads get personal, but American campaigns are nastier

This is from OZ. Maybe Obama was less negative as he's a sitting president, but Sarkozy lost and he was the incumbent.
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This is from OZ. Maybe Obama was less negative as he's a sitting president, but Sarkozy lost and he was the incumbent.
Thkse percentages speaks volumes! Ugly dont always win!...Romney had the most sarcastic campaign ive ever seen , too.

But I gotta day I laughed and loved how Biden tore into Santorum's "malarky"
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This is from OZ. Maybe Obama was less negative as he's a sitting president, but Sarkozy lost and he was the incumbent.
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Ron Paul (15.9), US
Rick Santorum (11.4), US
Mitt Romney (8.8), US
Marine Le Pen (8.6), FRA
Ha, Ron Paul and Romney more negative than Marine Le Pen.

You know stuff is messed up when thats the case. Sort your shit out lads.
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Maybe because he is so stern with immigrants.
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The challenger is always going to be more negative though. The incumbent has a track record. All he has to do is tout his track record and tell everyone how awesome he is whether it's true or not. The challenger has to come out and say that the incumbent sucks and he can do a better job. That's a negative campaign right from the start.
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