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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My God . . .

I was enjoying my morning coffee and looking up information about the ARRL in Ct., and I discover breaking news. 27 apparently dead including 18 kids in CT. All apparently five year old kids for God's sake.

Another crazy ass shooter using 2 guns, kills all of these people that did not deserve to die.

18 kids.

When the hell does this crap stop? How do we stop it? Or do we simply accept these things happen from time to time and move on to the next disaster. What bothers me is I no longer think much about these shootings. They happen all too frequently and I guess I am numb to these kinds of disasters.

Sorry for the bad news, but I am horrified. Especially this time of year when it should be all about tinsel and Santa and family and turkey and joy and remembering times past and thinking about the joys the future holds.

Now, parents will tie the season to the loss of their child that had no chance to have a life.

Bob is pissed off and not knowing what he can do upsets me tremendously.

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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It is a horrible act, and it is deeply saddening.

I don't think we will really be able to put an end to this senseless violence anytime soon.

People may turn to gun laws to see to it that it will "never" happen again, but criminals don't abide by the laws.

I just cannot imagine what these families are going through. Losing a loved one is always hard, but it is worse when its close to a holiday, my thoughts are with them all.
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It is something horrific. Those 5 year old children could not have possibly deserved the fate that they received. The adults, I'm sure, were just educators who were doing their jobs.

But details are sketchy. There may be nothing that can be planned, analyzed, or debated over just yet. Right now the focus should be on helping the families cope with the losses and try to rebuild. Making rash knee-jerk reactions will serve no one.
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Everyone who has kids needs to give them a hug and tell then you love them a lot today. As parents there are often times when we get frustrated with them for whatever reason I know for myself I was last night when my daughter woke up at midnight crying for an hour but there a lot of parents in Connecticut who wish that had this chance again. Thoughts and prayers for those out there dealing with this unimaginable hurt.
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You know, I am slowly but surely, losing my hope in humanity. I mean, where are children nowadays to feel safe at? Horrible things are happening to them in the streets, in school, at church, stores...........and home. This saddens me deeply.
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It's really, really horrible. A co-worker did point out to me a simple fact. How many kindergartners are there in America today? And we have 18 die in a tragedy. Statistically speaking it's insignificant. Those really are the cold hard facts. As tragic as it is, it's statistically insignificant.

I don't know what the solution is. It's certainly not more laws. It's already illegal to bring a gun on to school property. That law didn't stop this at all. I don't know what other laws would've prevented this.

I really think the problem is the culture we live in. We live in an extremely violent culture that glorifies violence. It shouldn't be too surprising that people would lash out with violence since the culture we live in legitimizes that as a valid response.
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It's really, really horrible. A co-worker did point out to me a simple fact. How many kindergartners are there in America today? And we have 18 die in a tragedy. Statistically speaking it's insignificant. Those really are the cold hard facts. As tragic as it is, it's statistically insignificant.

I don't know what the solution is. It's certainly not more laws. It's already illegal to bring a gun on to school property. That law didn't stop this at all. I don't know what other laws would've prevented this.

I really think the problem is the culture we live in. We live in an extremely violent culture that glorifies violence. It shouldn't be too surprising that people would lash out with violence since the culture we live in legitimizes that as a valid response.
Wow... Really? I get what your saying but the statistics aspect of it from a factual standpoint but this isn't an issue if statistics in fact it couldn't be less about that and more about the parents who will never see their kids again. I don't think you meant to come off as being cold about this but damn.
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It's human nature to try and put reason to an insane act. Find some sort of explanation for the inexplicable. Take a lesson from the Amish. Everyone is a victim in these types of tragedies, including us.
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I don't know what the solution is. It's certainly not more laws.
And that's the thing. This country goes through something like this, and the first thing you hear afterwards is creating more laws. Make this & that illegal. More laws are not the answer because until you change attitudes, more laws mean little.
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If you're wanting to look at numbers, isn't this the highest number of deaths in a school shooting? Even higher than Columbine?
I believe that any loss of a life in these situations is significant especially at that age you don't know how much an impact just one of those children could have had on the world. None of them have a chance to be anything anymore.
The fact that any number of children had to die today from this is just a tragedy.
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What can one say about yet another tragic story?

I hope that the survivors are surrounded by a strong support system: faith, family and friends. For the dead I trust in a loving God and believe that even the "bad guy" will be loved and redeemed by means beyond my understanding.
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Wow... Really? I get what your saying but the statistics aspect of it from a factual standpoint but this isn't an issue if statistics in fact it couldn't be less about that and more about the parents who will never see their kids again. I don't think you meant to come off as being cold about this but damn.
I disagree. I think statistics are important. When you consider how many kids (apparently, and if you believe the statistics) die from other things in greater numbers.

We do not need more gun laws to prevent this kind of thing. Perhaps we need teachers carrying guns or perhaps a permanent police state in all public schools? I would hate to see it, but some will say we do.

Perhaps a tall wall with sentries? What about cops in every class room?

I do not know.

The press will likely call for more gun laws and that is not the answer, either. Their goal is viewership and more papers sold. I do not think the press cares much about the truth; they will use this tragedy to further their needs.

That said, the press has always needed news and they have always covered stories like this. I do remmber when it was rare to have kids gunned down wholesale. If at all.

I do not like the stats brought up in these discussions, either. It does sound cold, but facts are often cold. I think more kids die from not wearing seatbelts or the improper use or the lack of child safety seats.

I did not look, just a guess.
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This is awful. I hope there is a special place in hell for this asshole.
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It's human nature to try and put reason to an insane act. Find some sort of explanation for the inexplicable. Take a lesson from the Amish. Everyone is a victim in these types of tragedies, including us.
I agree with the Amish.

Straingers will be considered differently. Talk of tossing our rights will take place. Gun owners will be viewed differently and some of us will wonder if today is when our kids die. We will panic if the school calls and leaves a message and the bastard that did it is gone so we will not get justice.

And on and on.

This does change us all and it affects us all.

All of us gathered here will think about this event and it will dampen our day.
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I disagree. I think statistics are important. When you consider how many kids (apparently, and if you believe the statistics) die from other things in greater numbers.

We do not need more gun laws to prevent this kind of thing. Perhaps we need teachers carrying guns or perhaps a permanent police state in all public schools? I would hate to see it, but some will say we do.

Perhaps a tall wall with sentries? What about cops in every class room?

I do not know.

The press will likely call for more gun laws and that is not the answer, either. Their goal is viewership and more papers sold. I do not think the press cares much about the truth; they will use this tragedy to further their needs.

That said, the press has always needed news and they have always covered stories like this. I do remmber when it was rare to have kids gunned down wholesale. If at all.

I do not like the stats brought up in these discussions, either. It does sound cold, but facts are often cold. I think more kids die from not wearing seatbelts or the improper use or the lack of child safety seats.

I did not look, just a guess.
My point is that a loss of a life especially that of innocent children shouldn't be quantified or made to sound like just a number because the bottom line is that it's not.
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We do not need more gun laws to prevent this kind of thing. Perhaps we need teachers carrying guns or perhaps a permanent police state in all public schools? I would hate to see it, but some will say we do.
I actually had the same thought. There was an interview with a FBI Investigator and he was asked why are schools such big targets for these events. He said its because they know nothing is there to prevent them from doing it. They know that everyone is not allowed to have a firearm on the school grounds, therefore they are an easy target.

I think we should try and keep this thread more on topic of the shooting itself and less about the laws, might become a controversial topic after a while and get moved.

I just don't see how anyone can do this. I could never bring myself to pull the trigger on an innocent human being let alone a child.
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This is horrible, God bless all those that are touch by this stupidity.
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I had to explain to my mom that those who support the NRA spend millions and millions to keep their guns, and thats why laws won't change. But maybe, since he can't go for a 3rd term, Obama can just say SCREW IT and go nuts for gun control, because as I said, you need the horror equivalent of a nuclear bomb, or, God forbid, a whole bunch of children shot in gun-loving territory, for anything to happen, because some people believe that the 2nd Amendment is all that matters, and that was written when it took you 30 seconds to 1 minute to reload one shot, go figure.
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I had to explain to my mom that those who support the NRA spend millions and millions to keep their guns, and thats why laws won't change. But maybe, since he can't go for a 3rd term, Obama can just say SCREW IT and go nuts for gun control, because as I said, you need the horror equivalent of a nuclear bomb, or, God forbid, a whole bunch of children shot in gun-loving territory, for anything to happen, because some people believe that the 2nd Amendment is all that matters, and that was written when it took you 30 seconds to 1 minute to reload one shot, go figure.
As was mentioned before, it was already illegal for anyone to bring a gun onto a school property. That's pretty much illegal across the board in every state. That law did not prevent this tragedy. I am at a loss as to what laws would. It is also against the law to shoot someone with a gun and it's against the law to kill someone period. Those laws did not prevent this tragedy either.
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Well now that its in the political / current affairs I am not afraid of voicing my views.

Saying that making guns illegal is going to stop criminals from getting them is just plain stupidity.

Did you know that Meth is illegal in the US? That doesn't stop people from using it
Did you know that Cocaine is illegal in the US? People don't care, it's still bought and sold on the streets.

Do you see what I am getting at? Just because there are laws saying "No you can't have it" does not mean every one will follow. Really all you would be doing by banning guns is taking the protection away from those who express their 2nd amendment legally.
I am a proud supporter of my 2nd amendment, I took a long class that enables me to carry a hand gun in public. It wasn't an easy class, it was 12 hours total, and I had to take a written test as well as proving I can shoot. And thats not even all, that cost me $100 to take the class, thats to get certified, the 2nd step was to go to my local sherrif's department and pay another $100 to Apply for the permit. At this point you can still be denied. 10 days later after I passed my background check I received my permit.

I really believe that if we were to make these classes available to staff members of the schools and allow those that pass and are issued a permit to carry in the school abiding by all the laws that are with permit to carry. Then people will have to think twice about going in and shooting in a school because they won't be as vulnerable.
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If you're wanting to look at numbers, isn't this the highest number of deaths in a school shooting? Even higher than Columbine?
I believe that any loss of a life in these situations is significant especially at that age you don't know how much an impact just one of those children could have had on the world. None of them have a chance to be anything anymore.
The fact that any number of children had to die today from this is just a tragedy.
Virginia Tech is still first at 32 deaths.
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We do not need more gun laws to prevent this kind of thing. Perhaps we need teachers carrying guns or perhaps a permanent police state in all public schools? I would hate to see it, but some will say we do.

Perhaps a tall wall with sentries? What about cops in every class room?

I do not know.

The press will likely call for more gun laws and that is not the answer, either. Their goal is viewership and more papers sold. I do not think the press cares much about the truth; they will use this tragedy to further their needs.
That wouldn't make a difference at all, if teachers had guns, criminals would just shoot the teacher/guards first, more security would be useless as well. Criminals don't randomly go to a school and shoot, they actually plan things out, they have smarts but use them in a terrible way. Everything the US has tried to do to stop criminals has been countered in one way or another and will continue to be countered.
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As a parent, I feel terrible for all of the parents who lost a child today. I sincerely hope that man fries in a chair or suffers terribly for his crimes.
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...execution is merely the easy way out. Probably only encourages these things.

That said, the murderer is dead.
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My wife teaches K-5. She was telling me this morning that the family of one of her kids was having to go on a trip because the 4 year old cousin is dying of leukemia and there is nothing more that can be done.

That was such a sad thought that I didn't really even want to think of it.
Now this? This is mind boggling.
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Very very sad to hear. It has been reported the shooter also killed his mother at their home and then went to the school.

On a side note about statistics.

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James Alan Fox of Northeastern University's School of Criminology and Criminal Justice said Friday's incident seems reminiscent of several from the late 1980s involving shooting rampages at schools.
Fox couldn't speak to the specifics of the Connecticut case, but said, "If someone is interested in punishing society where it's most vulnerable, they know that a school is a place where lots of young, innocent children, our most cherished members of society, are congregated and under their gun -- literally."

Children are often seen as "easy targets to get even with society -- or maybe it was the school. We don't know what the primary target was, and the primary motive."

Still, over the past few years, shootings in K-12 schools have become increasingly rare. After reaching a high of 63 deaths in the 2006-2007 school year, the number of people killed in "school-associated" incidents dropped to 33 last year -- lowest in two decades, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

While a few dozen children are killed each year in school, statistically speaking it remains the safest place a child will likely ever be, with the lowest chance of being killed. "When you consider the fact that there are over 50 million schoolchildren in America, the chances are over one in two million, not a high probability," said Fox. "And most cases that do occur are in high schools and less so in middle schools -- and hardly ever in elementary schools."
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I got a Viber text from daughter in England. She was shaken as she drove a school bus for kids this age here in the states.

She said that kids behavior and outlook on being entitled to everything seems to be worse than when she was in school and while shocked wasn't surprised. They behaved on the bus like she and her friends wouldn't even think to.

I don't think it's guns per se. I wouldn't mind seeing some stricter regulation, but it's mostly the people to whom the guns are available. These were legal, and there is no way to really identify a potential killer. I'd be more inclined to blame the violence on the movie screen and video games. Everyone seems to be inured to the violence.

It's also the mindset that everyone is entitled to what they want with no caveat that they have to work for it.

If a kid is a bully, either the school turns a blind eye or tries counseling which the bully just laughs at. There should be swift punishment for a bully or any other behavior that would endanger another. Forced detention, supervised service - like clean up the playground litter, and make the parents accountable for the kid's behavior.

Adults think motor laws and texting while driving don't apply to them. What does this tell the kids? Making an unkind remark to another person - what does this tell the kid?
Adults sail close to the wind to avoid paying a true price for a service or item -- what does this tell a kid?



If this idiot took revenge because his mother told him he had to move out, I wouldn't be surprised.
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I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed, but at this point there are simply too many guns in circulation in this country for a law to prevent something like this. Where we should be focusing our attention is on stopping the gutting of our mental health programs in America. Mental health always seems to be an easy target for budget cuts until something like this happens. We used to have a mental hospital in my city until budget cuts closed it down. Now the closest facility is over an hour away. I don't know the details yet of this particular case, but the guy was obviously deranged. Maybe this could have been prevented with the proper care. Or maybe not, but the next one could. And there's always a next one. Btw, the governor who cut mental health care to the bone in Ohio at the time was a Democrat, so I'm not just Republican bashing.
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I cannot fathom what drives a person to accomplish what happened.

My thoughts are with the families of those involved.
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I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed, but at this point there are simply too many guns in circulation in this country for a law to prevent something like this. Where we should be focusing our attention is on stopping the gutting of our mental health programs in America. Mental health always seems to be an easy target for budget cuts until something like this happens. We used to have a mental hospital in my city until budget cuts closed it down. Now the closest facility is over an hour away. I don't know the details yet of this particular case, but the guy was obviously deranged. Maybe this could have been prevented with the proper care. Or maybe not, but the next one could. And there's always a next one. Btw, the governor who cut mental health care to the bone in Ohio at the time was a Democrat, so I'm not just Republican bashing.

I remember seeing an interview of a former psychiatric ward doctor back with the Aurora shooting. He was talking about exactly that. He looked back and told about how strict they were with people thought to have mental disorders and how there wasn't much tolerance of letting them loose in public.

If you look at what if anything is left of psychiatric wards, it is nothing compared to the 70s. I think maybe we should look into what that may bring if they were to revive them.
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Not sure if anyone else caught this in the news. They went to the home of the mother of the shooter and found her dead.

His mother was a kindergarten teacher at the school but did not make it to school that morning because she was the first victim.

It is such a horrible thing I just don't understand how anyone could do such a thing. And we will never know the motive behind it all because he took his own life.
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I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed, but at this point there are simply too many guns in circulation in this country for a law to prevent something like this. Where we should be focusing our attention is on stopping the gutting of our mental health programs in America. Mental health always seems to be an easy target for budget cuts until something like this happens. We used to have a mental hospital in my city until budget cuts closed it down. Now the closest facility is over an hour away. I don't know the details yet of this particular case, but the guy was obviously deranged. Maybe this could have been prevented with the proper care. Or maybe not, but the next one could. And there's always a next one. Btw, the governor who cut mental health care to the bone in Ohio at the time was a Democrat, so I'm not just Republican bashing.

Honest question. What laws would you suggest? This guy apparently broke a window and crawled through it to get in to the building. He broke so many different laws it's ridiculous. We have a handgun ban in Detroit. It doesn't seem to have impacted anything. We had a handgun ban in DC for a long time. It made no difference. The problem is the culture of violence we live in. You can't submerse yourself in violence 24/7 and not have it affect you.
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What is truly tragic is that there was a second tragic attack on young children yesterday that was woefully under-reported by the press. That attack occurred in Central China. 22 young children were seriously injured by a mentally ill man wielding a kitchen knife. Some of the children are believed to be in critical condition.

According to the sources that I've read, there have been 7 similar attacks in China in the last 3 years. In previous attacks, weapons used included meat cleavers and hammers.
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There was also an attack on a college campus here a week or so ago that killed three people. It got no coverage. The weapon in question there was a bow and arrow.
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What is truly tragic is that there was a second tragic attack on young children yesterday that was woefully under-reported by the press. That attack occurred in Central China. 22 young children were seriously injured by a mentally ill man wielding a kitchen knife. Some of the children are believed to be in critical condition.

According to the sources that I've read, there have been 7 similar attacks in China in the last 3 years. In previous attacks, weapons used included meat cleavers and hammers.
Not to mention one that was adverted;

Okla. student allegedly planned shooting same day as Sandy Hook - CBS News

Tell me, have we just plain lost all of our sense?
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I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed,
Why does everyone think that taking away our right to bear arms to defend ourselves will stop evil people from doing evil things? The only thing it prevents is our ability to defend ourselves against evil people. The evil people will STILL acquire guns illegally as they always have. Does anyone actually blame this event on the fact that Adam Lanza's mother legally owned a gun instead blaming him? I know it's a tired old adage, but for crying out loud it IS true: Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I mean, should we then outlaw knives, baseball bats, rope, and every other conceivable tool killers and psychos use to perpetuate their acts?! Actually, I think that if an armed guard was at the school (and every other school for that matter), this could have possibly been averted. We have armed guards at my college and we're old enough to defend ourselves. Why not fight fire with fire and protect our children?
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Gun laws are only obeyed by law abiding people and I'm not afraid of THEM having guns. Criminals, killers, and psychos wouldn't obey any damn gun laws. Wake up people!
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Why does everyone think that taking away our right to bear arms to defend ourselves will stop evil people from doing evil things? The only thing it prevents is our ability to defend ourselves against evil people. The evil people will STILL acquire guns illegally as they always have. Does anyone actually blame this event on the fact that Adam Lanza's mother legally owned a gun instead blaming him? I know it's a tired old adage, but for crying out loud it IS true: Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I mean, should we then outlaw knives, baseball bats, rope, and every other conceivable tool killers and psychos use to perpetuate their acts?! Actually, I think that if an armed guard was at the school (and every other school for that matter), this could have possibly been averted. We have armed guards at my college and we're old enough to defend ourselves. Why not fight fire with fire and protect our children?
Armed guards at schools? What? That's ludicrous... Why would you have people with guns at a school? To make school seem unfriendly and scary?

Kids shouldn't have to be prepared and trained for shootings either. That's pretty messed up.
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Said psycho was a law abiding citizen, yet through his mother, had access to powerful firearms, with ammunition - not a hunting rifle or pistol.

C'est problème.
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Kids shouldn't have to be prepared and trained for shootings either. That's pretty messed up.
This is something we actually agree on 100%.
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Why does everyone think that taking away our right to bear arms to defend ourselves will stop evil people from doing evil things? The only thing it prevents is our ability to defend ourselves against evil people. The evil people will STILL acquire guns illegally as they always have. Does anyone actually blame this event on the fact that Adam Lanza's mother legally owned a gun instead blaming him? I know it's a tired old adage, but for crying out loud it IS true: Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I mean, should we then outlaw knives, baseball bats, rope, and every other conceivable tool killers and psychos use to perpetuate their acts?! Actually, I think that if an armed guard was at the school (and every other school for that matter), this could have possibly been averted. We have armed guards at my college and we're old enough to defend ourselves. Why not fight fire with fire and protect our children?
bearing arms should be a privilege, not a right. entitlement is the root of the problem
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yeah wake up people. It makes soooooo much sense to make it EASIER for criminals to obtain high powered assault weapons.
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bearing arms IS a right, as declared in the U.S. Constitution. And it is ALSO a privilege... I can't own a gun being a convicted felon. Due to my mistakes, my privilege was taken away, and I understand that but law abiding citizens are granted it as a right.
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yeah wake up people. It makes soooooo much sense to make it EASIER for criminals to obtain high powered assault weapons.
Actually, it's easier to obtain illegal weapons than it is to get them legally. No red tape, just a simple transaction. Like I said, the laws are only obeyed by law abiding people. The criminals are already law breakers. And following your line of logic, we should outlaw backyard swimming pools due to the number of child drownings. The name of the enemy is Adam Lanza, not Glock or Sig
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Kids shouldn't have to be prepared and trained for shootings either. That's pretty messed up.
Talking about what should or shouldn't be is denying reality. And are you actually more concerned about how FRIENDLY school seems rather than how safe it is?! In case you didn't notice, the guns showed up at school anyway, except there was no one there with a friendly gun to protect them
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I agree with the American Thinker:
Ponder that for a while, those of you liberals who equate the presence and availability of guns with criminal shootings. The truth operates in the obverse: it is precisely where there are the most guns and people who know how to use them where the massacres do not occur. And it is precisely where guns are not present where these slaughters do take place. That is no accident; rather it is a demonstration of the awareness of mass killers as to where it will be most expedient for them to attack, where they will have the most time to conduct their slaughter.
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Ponder that for a while, those of you liberals who equate the presence and availability of guns with criminal shootings. The truth operates in the obverse: it is precisely where there are the most guns and people who know how to use them where the massacres do not occur. And it is precisely where guns are not present where these slaughters do take place. That is no accident; rather it is a demonstration of the awareness of mass killers as to where it will be most expedient for them to attack, where they will have the most time to conduct their slaughter.
you've convinced me1!!!!!! I SEE the light now!!!!! wow how could I have been so stupid?!?!?!?! no wonder there are so many massacres using guns in japan and england!!!!! thank you oh thank you for showing me the truth
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I wish I could agree with you, but here in the states, admittedly, we not only have more guns, but also have more crazed youths that were raised by the Department of ‘Education.’ So we have a completely different set of problems than other nations.
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