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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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California nurse refuses to give CPR to dying woman

What is the world coming to? How can this woman live with herself? She is a nurse. I know her job told her not to, but who cares? So pathetic.

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That really is horrific! That nursing home should be put out of business now. "It's our policy" is no defence.

And that jobsworth should go to jail - she didn't just refuse to give CPR, she prevented anyone else doing it, too. That has to be manslaughter at the very least. The dispatcher even told her she wouldn't be liable.

Un-f******-believable.
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I moved the thread to P&CA and it will be best served here, cheers
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It's a complete non-story. The woman who died had signed an agreement saying she did not want resuscitation. Why the media doesn't emphasize that is beyond me.
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This is probably not a legal issue, AFAIK no one is required to perform CPR. This could be the impetus for some legal reform. What it is is deeply saddening that an individual could stand by and let another die while possessing the skill to possibly prevent it. I know I couldn't regardless of any company rules.

Another thing this should bring to light? Learn CPR...EVERYBODY! It's easy, free and you might save a life. My wish is that CPR be taught to every school child as soon as they are old enough. This way, eventually everyone will know how to do it.
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This is probably not a legal issue, AFAIK no one is required to perform CPR. This could be the impetus for some legal reform. What it is is deeply saddening that an individual could stand by and let another die while possessing the skill to possibly prevent it. I know I couldn't regardless of any company rules.

Another thing this should bring to light? Learn CPR...EVERYBODY! It's easy, free and you might save a life. My wish is that CPR be taught to every school child as soon as they are old enough. This way, eventually everyone will know how to do it.
In this particular case it's absolutely a legal issue. If nurse's in the nursing resuscitate patients, then they don't have an assisted living facility they have a skilled nursing facility which is subject to completely different rules/regulations. But, at the end of the day, the resident in question here agreed, in writing, that if anything happened to her the nurses would not try to resuscitate her. That is what she agreed to. If the nurse here had attempted CPR she would be guilty of assault.
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In this particular case it's absolutely a legal issue. If nurse's in the nursing resuscitate patients, then they don't have an assisted living facility they have a skilled nursing facility which is subject to completely different rules/regulations. But, at the end of the day, the resident in question here agreed, in writing, that if anything happened to her the nurses would not try to resuscitate her. That is what she agreed to. If the nurse here had attempted CPR she would be guilty of assault.
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Yeah, well some of us here are humans, Spock.
Then enjoy your time in jail. Knowingly violating a DNR is assault or agg assault depending on the circumstances. Furthermore, people who are revived by such methods often face severe health consequences and feel that they would've been better off dead which is why they signed the order in the first place. So you've actually harmed the person by resuscitating them.
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It's a complete non-story. The woman who died had signed an agreement saying she did not want resuscitation. Why the media doesn't emphasize that is beyond me.
The story certainly didn't mention any DNR. That would certainly change things. You'd think the nurse would have mention it to the dispatcher ..
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Also, I just want to say that as a former 911 dispatcher, the dispatcher in this case was completely and totally unprofessional. Over the top unprofessional.
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The story certainly didn't mention any DNR. That would certainly change things. You'd think the nurse would have mention it to the dispatcher ..
I also could not find any mention of a DNR. I'm also curious as to why the nurse would request EMS if the patient had a DNR? The authorities would have to be notified, I understand that for confirmation of death. But EMS would not have to be dispatched.
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I also could not find any mention of a DNR. I'm also curious as to why the nurse would request EMS if the patient had a DNR? The authorities would have to be notified, I understand that for confirmation of death. But EMS would not have to be dispatched.
The patient didn't sign a formal DNR. The nursing home she was living in was not a skilled nursing home and is not allowed to give medical services. She agreed to this when she moved in.
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Not sure if this has relevance in this particular case, but I'll add it just the same-

What does the law say about administrating CPR

I've seen no mention of a DNR and this would certainly seem to eliminate liability unless the nurse wasn't CPR certified (???). Still, if you have the ability and can still stand back even while someone pleads for you to help? That's pretty cold in my book. I'm not calling for anyone's head on a platter, but I know I couldn't/wouldn't have done the same (and I am CPR/AED certified).
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The patient didn't sign a formal DNR. The nursing home she was living in was not a skilled nursing home and is not allowed to give medical services. She agreed to this when she moved in.
Ok, that makes sense and explains why the authorities are not seeking criminal negligence charges. There is simply no grounds in that case. It is still odd that she would actively prevent anyone else from performing it, outside of concern for a liability suit?

So the issue will be if basic first aid and CPR training should be a trivial matter to implement and have a small, if not unnoticeable, increase in premium. Or, more than likely, it will be a stalled issue until the public forgets about it in a few days and be completely dropped there after.
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Hopefully the publicity will be enough to put these heartless bastards out of business.
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I've not heard the part where she actively prevented anyone from performing CPR. The story is somewhat inaccurate as the person in question wasn't hired to be a nurse. She was hired for some sort of admin job (resident director or something).

Having staff certified and required to perform first aid and CPR means, in the state they're in, that you have a skilled nursing home. This requires completely different compliance with a completely different set of regs which is more expensive. If I read the story correctly, this facility does have a skilled nursing wing or whatever, but this woman was not a resident there.

The story is getting blown way, way, way, way out of proportion though. Stuff like this happens every single day. People regularly refuse to do CPR for any number of reasons. It's a non-issue.
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Seems familiar to the lifeguard in FL who was fired for saving someone just because the person was drowning out of is "coverage"

He was eventually offered his job back but refused stating he shouldn't have been terminated in the first place.

A human life is a human life, policies should not be put in front of someones life. If in fact the woman did not want to be resuscitated its one thing, and it should have been stated in the call. If its because she signed a contract to live there (like i have heard is some variations) its something completely different.

I respect people's life decisions, even when it goes what I want. But policies that are just there to ensure greedy people don't sue is not someones decision, even if they sign knowingly (or unknowlingly) stating that they understand they will have no help until emergency responders get there
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Stuff like this happens every single day. People regularly refuse to do CPR for any number of reasons. It's a non-issue.
It sounds like an issue to me.
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It sounds like an issue to me.
In a city as big as London I can guarantee you it happens multiple times every single day. It wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't for this dispatcher acting about as unprofessional as you possibly can.
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In a city as big as London I can guarantee you it happens multiple times every single day. It wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't for this dispatcher acting about as unprofessional as you possibly can.
The dispatcher was unprofessional? You are unbelievable. Let's hope it's not your mom laying there gasping for air next time. Nice Christian values, there.
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Yikes!!

but here is my two cents anyway...
If the woman had a DNR then by all means you DO NOT start CPR! I would be furious if someone didn't respect those wishes and did it anyway...

If she did not have a formal DNR and was not given CPR strictly because she was in an assisted living facility as opposed to a skilled nursing facility..
Then That is completely outrageous and unacceptable...

CPR is not brain surgery ..nor does it require a medical degree to perform. In order to teach( or even work) in an elementary school at least here where I live you must be CPR certified.. as well as any community education programs..including the senior centers and adult education classes...Why in the world wouldn't an assisted living facility require it's staff to be CPR certified as a condition of employment? and how could having CPR trained staff automatically label anything a skilled nursing facility?
the whole thing smells fishy to me.....
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The dispatcher was unprofessional? You are unbelievable. Let's hope it's not your mom laying there gasping for air next time. Nice Christian values, there.
Clearly you've never been a dispatcher. You've never done the job. The absolute last thing you do on a call is belittle the caller which is exactly what this dispatcher did. You never ever do that. Further more at one point she told the caller that the 911 center would assume all legal liability. She has no authority at all to do that and it opens both her personally and the center as a whole up to a ginormous law suit. She basically told the lady that she wasn't a good human being for just standing by. How is that professional at all?

I've taken that phone call many, many times where someone refused to do CPR. You never ever belittle someone for that. You are not there. They may be looking at a loved one who has clearly been dead for some time. They may be traumatized by the entire situation and not want to intervene. Furthermore, CPR performed over the phone on the instructions given by a dispatcher is almost always fruitless. It almost never saves anyone's life. The person is usually too far gone and/or the caller doesn't have the training and/or despite their training gets flipped out in the situation and performs it wrong. Any dispatcher worth their salt knows that the primary purpose of having a caller perform CPR is to give the caller something to do. You are going to keep them on the line until an ambulance or rescue squad actually arrives and can provide ALS and you are trying to keep the caller busy so they don't completely freak out. It is very, very common for bystanders to not want to/refuse to perform CPR.

This dispatcher took a stressful situation and made it worse. That is the cardinal sin of a dispatcher. Your job is to defuse the situation as much as possible before help arrives, not make it worse.
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Yikes!!

but here is my two cents anyway...
If the woman had a DNR then by all means you DO NOT start CPR! I would be furious if someone didn't respect those wishes and did it anyway...

If she did not have a formal DNR and was not given CPR strictly because she was in an assisted living facility as opposed to a skilled nursing facility..
Then That is completely outrageous and unacceptable...

CPR is not brain surgery ..nor does it require a medical degree to perform. In order to teach( or even work) in an elementary school at least here where I live you must be CPR certified.. as well as any community education programs..including the senior centers and adult education classes...Why in the world wouldn't an assisted living facility require it's staff to be CPR certified as a condition of employment? and how could having CPR trained staff automatically label anything a skilled nursing facility?
the whole thing smells fishy to me.....
What I'm reading is it wasn't an assisted living facility like people were saying earlier, but is actually an independent living facility.
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will have to straddle the fence on this one...

as a human being I would have felt obliged to do something

but

there are many variables in play here......

did she truely have a DNR..... if she did then any assistance provided would have been a felony... regardless of what a 911 dispatcher may say

was this just company policy to avoid lawsuits...... sadly it may have been..... and if instead of giving free insurance to illegals we actually did some tort reform then we wouldnt be so worried about lawsuits

also worth noting....... I havent heard a single report that said she had heart failure......... she was gasping for breath and stopped breathing....... in which case being currently certified and administering CPR under the new HOCPR guidelines would not have helped her anyhow........ since HOCPR (the currently recommended and sanctioned cpr method by any institution that matters) does not administer breathing assistance at all.... just chest compressions

of course as I said....... being human I would have felt obliged to take whatever actions I felt necessary to save a life.... despite the consequences
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Supposedly, the independent living facility is not licensed or required to be licensed by the state. The minute you have your staff perform medical services you are either assisted living or skilled nursing depending on exactly what you offer which means you must be licensed/regulated by the state at that point. Obviously there's extra costs for being licensed/regulated and the facility does offer those services in a different wing for extra cost. This woman and/or her family chose to forego that for the independent living side.

My grandmother was living in one these independent living facilities when she passed. They are basically apartment complexes. The seniors live on their own and the center may provide them transportation to/from doctor's appointments or the store or help them coordinate that. They also may provide simple recreational activities like a common room or bingo or a class or something. That's about it.

The one my grandmother was in provided a call button that the resident could push and someone from the front office (who was not a nurse) would call up and check on them if the button was pushed. The one she was in would call my mother if they got no response and my mom could either have them go up and knock on the door or she could come over and go up there herself. Additionally the one my grandmother was in would deliver newspapers every day and if they saw two newspapers that had not been picked up they would call my mother to make sure my grandmother was not out of town or something and, by policy, would only go into the apartment at that point with either my mother or someone she designated.
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You're still more worried more about policies and regulations than a human life. Nowhere have I seen it reported that she had a DNR. If she did, that's totally different. They just don't want to get sued for breaking an old persons rib or something.
If I had a loved one struggling to breathe, I would want the dispatcher to act just like that. She did everything in her power to try to save a life. She said "if you won't do it, find someone who will." What's so bad about that?
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You're still more worried more about policies and regulations than a human life. Nowhere have I seen it reported that she had a DNR. If she did, that's totally different. They just don't want to get sued for breaking an old persons rib or something.
If I had a loved one struggling to breathe, I would want the dispatcher to act just like that. She did everything in her power to try to save a life. She said "if you won't do it, find someone who will." What's so bad about that?
So you think it's cool for a dispatcher to belittle a caller and make a situation worse? You call 911 cuz your world is falling apart and the professional thing for the dispatcher to do is to make things worse in every way? That's ridiculous and clearly you've never worn the headset or worked with emergency services in any capacity.

Also, the family has come out and supported the caller's decision saying it's what their mom would've wanted and that she was fully aware of the policy and chose to live there anyway. So the dispatcher acted like a complete jerk and tried to badger a caller into doing something they weren't comfortable with and would've violated the wishes of patient and then proceeded to make the caller feel bad on top of everything. Furthermore the call taker offered to take legal liability for the caller's actions which they probably can't even do legally and which exposes the entire organization to ginormous law suits. When you're a dispatcher you don't have all the facts about the situation and every experienced dispatcher should know this. This dispatcher should be canned IMO or disciplined at the very least.
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It's a complete non-story. The woman who died had signed an agreement saying she did not want resuscitation. Why the media doesn't emphasize that is beyond me.
If that is true then this is indeed a non-story. Few people at that age survive more than a few weeks after CPR anyway, and often in the most painful way.

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If that is true then this is indeed a non-story. Few people at that age survive more than a few weeks after CPR anyway, and often in the most painful way.

Everyone has to die.
Well, the family is now saying that their mom would've wanted it this way, it was her wish and they wish the media wasn't blowing it up. How does the media respond? Interview more people who will call for legislation to fix this. That's right. We need legislation to fix a problem that isn't even there. This is why our society is screwed.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #30 (permalink)
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This is probably not a legal issue, AFAIK no one is required to perform CPR. This could be the impetus for some legal reform. What it is is deeply saddening that an individual could stand by and let another die while possessing the skill to possibly prevent it. I know I couldn't regardless of any company rules.

Another thing this should bring to light? Learn CPR...EVERYBODY! It's easy, free and you might save a life. My wish is that CPR be taught to every school child as soon as they are old enough. This way, eventually everyone will know how to do it.
I would be willing to bet that in every state, every day, some nurse or doctor watches a patient die because of a DNR order. And the families stand by and watch it happen.

Not sure what the law has to say, but I would also be willing to bet that there are possible legal issues. Perhaps a nurse can get sued for violating the patient's wishes or perhaps a doctor or nurse can end up paying high premiums after the lawsuit.

This is a case of Bob just guessing.
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Well, the family is now saying that their mom would've wanted it this way, it was her wish and they wish the media wasn't blowing it up. How does the media respond? Interview more people who will call for legislation to fix this. That's right. We need legislation to fix a problem that isn't even there. This is why our society is screwed.
But how much standing does this have when a case is brought into a courtroom? I do not know, so I am asking.

Can a court afford to take the word of family or is there a legal procedure in place to protect doctors and nurses. I did a little research and there are procedures in place recognized by the courts.

My guess is there is so much outrage because the general public never deals with these issues.

From the "what it adds to the discussion" department:

"In 1991 Congress passed into law the Patient Self-Determination Act that mandated hospitals honor an individual's decision in their healthcare."

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You're still more worried more about policies and regulations than a human life. Nowhere have I seen it reported that she had a DNR. If she did, that's totally different. They just don't want to get sued for breaking an old persons rib or something.
If I had a loved one struggling to breathe, I would want the dispatcher to act just like that. She did everything in her power to try to save a life. She said "if you won't do it, find someone who will." What's so bad about that?
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"In the United States the documentation is especially complicated in that each state accepts different forms, and advance directives and living wills are not accepted by EMS as legally valid forms. If a patient has a living will that states the patient wishes to be DNR but does not have an appropriately filled out state sponsored form that is co-signed by a physician, EMS will attempt resuscitation. This is a little known fact to many patients and primary care physicians that can cause patients to receive treatments they do not want, and this law is currently being evaluated for a constitutional challenge."

If I read this right, EMS is not required to follow a certain things a patent might not want, like finally finding the peace of death and flung back into a pain filled world.

But I have not had eggs and sausages yet, and my brain's turbines are not yet up to speed, Batman.
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If a doctor or nurse tries to resuscitate a patient with a DNR they can be charged with assault or, if they use something like an AED, aggravated assault in some cases. Whether they'd be charged or not is another question, but the doctor/nurse is essentially treating a patient against their will.
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Well, the family is now saying that their mom would've wanted it this way, it was her wish and they wish the media wasn't blowing it up. How does the media respond? Interview more people who will call for legislation to fix this. That's right. We need legislation to fix a problem that isn't even there. This is why our society is screwed.
I think states need to legislate for DNR orders, if they haven't already. Just to stop stuff like this.
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There was no DNR that I know of, and as for the family saying "that's what she would have wanted", that's not exactly something you can check on in the heat of the moment. An 86 year old in an assisted living facility should have a living will at least.
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There was no DNR that I know of, and as for the family saying "that's what she would have wanted", that's not exactly something you can check on in the heat of the moment. An 86 year old in an assisted living facility should have a living will at least.
There's no need to check in the heat of the moment since she agreed to not be resuscitated when she signed up.
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Being informed that the staff is not medically trained and are not required to help beyond calling 911 is nowhere near the same thing as a DNR. The EMTs still tried to save her. But I'm done. You obviously think the fine print in a contract is reason enough to not help a dying person. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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I think states need to legislate for DNR orders, if they haven't already. Just to stop stuff like this.
When you are old, feeble and sick; when your life is nothing but pain and drugs do not help, it is time to go and a DNR or other instrument should be made available to make sure some do-gooders do not try to "save" you.

I would like to see every care facility follow the same rules. Be it a hospice or nursing home or hospital, a patient can sign one paper and have it available to everyone involved in your care.

You must be judged mentally fit before you can sign one, however. If you are complaining that Gilligan and the Skipper sneaks into your room every night and steals part of your soul or brain tissue and you just want to die, well, no DNR for you!

Why is it we think life is so precious and god help us if we suggest that it is OK to give up? There are many reasons why someone should be allowed to die but the public wont have any part of it.
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Being informed that the staff is not medically trained and are not required to help beyond calling 911 is nowhere near the same thing as a DNR. The EMTs still tried to save her. But I'm done. You obviously think the fine print in a contract is reason enough to not help a dying person. We'll have to agree to disagree.
The fact that the person did not want you to help them and expressed as much is reason to not help a dying person.

But let's look at it from your perspective. Let's say it was ok for this dispatcher to badger and belittle this caller (it's not) and that she got this caller to actually perform CPR. First of all, CPR over the phone almost never works and is going to be less effective given the fact that this lady didn't want to perform it in the first place. But let's just say that she not only performs CPR but actually successfully resuscitates this woman. Great. Now you have violated the wishes of the woman, violated the wishes of the woman's family, possibly broken the law and, I would argue, done something immoral by not allowing this woman to die with dignity the way she wanted. Also, it's entirely likely that this woman will now have severe health problems because of this incident and that is entirely on this woman. Not to even mention the legal implications of your action.

What happened here is the caller honored the wishes of the patient. The woman who passed was ok with it. Her family knew this is what she wanted and is ok with it. This is a complete non-incident that this dispatcher blew way, way, way out of proportion. Now this woman is on voluntary leave, the authorities are talking about filing charges against her, her career has probably been halted, the legislature is talking about passing legislation about this and, worst of all, the woman's family is forced to grieve publicly when they shouldn't have to. All of this is because a stupid dispatcher acted in the most unprofessional manner possible and because the media made a knee jerk reaction and blew this up before they had all their facts.
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Being informed that the staff is not medically trained and are not required to help beyond calling 911...
The reports that I saw say that it was a bona fide nurse calling 911. If they had the title of "Nurse" then they're required to know first aid in order to be licensed. I also heard that the nurse has been suspended and is facing malpractice charges. FYI
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The reports that I saw say that it was a bona fide nurse calling 911. If they had the title of "Nurse" then they're required to know first aid in order to be licensed. I also heard that the nurse has been suspended and is facing malpractice charges. FYI

If true it's complete BS given that she followed the wishes of the patient and the patients family. The nurse should be applauded not demonized.
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Being informed that the staff is not medically trained and are not required to help beyond calling 911 is nowhere near the same thing as a DNR. The EMTs still tried to save her. But I'm done. You obviously think the fine print in a contract is reason enough to not help a dying person. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Well, assuming there was a DNR in place, yes, it is the print in the contract that matters and a DNR is indeed the reason you do not help some dying patients.

This happens every day in this country. We do not violate a dying patients requests.
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If true it's complete BS given that she followed the wishes of the patient and the patients family. The nurse should be applauded not demonized.
Personally I'd wait until I knew what the answer to that particular "if" question was, before passing judgment.

But I see that "formalities" like discovering the facts don't matter in many people's minds. I think that's a crying shame, because taking sides without any concern for the facts is the definition of bigotry, and nothing good has come from bigotry.
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Personally I'd wait until I knew what the answer to that particular "if" question was, before passing judgment.

But I see that "formalities" like discovering the facts don't matter in many people's minds. I think that's a crying shame, because taking sides without any concern for the facts is the definition of bigotry, and nothing good has come from bigotry.
I don't know what facts you're waiting to be discovered. The family has already said this was their mom's wish and this is what their mom would've wanted. Don't know what other facts matter here.
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I don't know what facts you're waiting to be discovered. The family has already said this was their mom's wish and this is what their mom would've wanted. Don't know what other facts matter here.
What facts? All we seem to have is what some family members say the woman wanted. There are no facts as far as I can see, just what family says were the wishes of the departed.

The only problem with the family wishes is who really knows if the departed's wishes were what the family now claims they are/were?

Courts must have documents. Before charges can be filed, prosecutors likely want some documents to codify what the family is saying. So why should any hospice, hospital, EMT, or doctor go by what some family members claim?

Suppose the dead woman left a huge estate? As long as she is alive, there is no cash flow and decedents want cash flow. As soon as she dies, well, that changes things. A greedy family could say she did not want to be saved.
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That's a bit harsh.
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