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Old May 20th, 2010, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.

 
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How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.
In all honesty you have to take what these guys say with a grain of salt. Remember their job is ratings. That said russia have been saying since the cold war that Americawill fall to socialism from the inside. Who would know better then those that preceded us.
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yeah I like Glenn better than Rush, the way I see it if, us, WE THE PEOPLE, don`t take our country back, we are so screwed what happen to the U.S. constitution
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You should listen to Michael Savage anyways.
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Absolutely. Glen and Rush are conservative light. Not bad but not my cup of tea. The Savage Nation radio program is probably as complete a program of any kind; radio or TV, that one can find out there. That is my opinion but the way and the ability to blend topics from literature to art, ancient and recent history is pretty good. Just one mans opinion.
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You should listen to Michael Savage anyways.

Oi!

No offense, but like all people, my time on this planet is limited. Wasting any of it listening to hate-filled lunatics like limbaugh, beck, or savage is sinful.

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Okay guys, here's my take. Rush calls Obama a Nazi. Can't remember the housing of or the attempted extermination yet of a race of people. If he were a Nazi, he would have already exterminated the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michael Savage.

Where's our Constitution? Hmmm! Me thinks it's a living document, or so I've been told. The founders of the Constitution lived in a day when if you needed a standing army, militias were created, loosely confederated, fighting for the same cause which at that time of course was to defeat the British. The right to form militias and bear arms should be taken in that context but the political right has determined the constitution should be taken literally, (like the Bible, I believe in talking snakes), and all of us should be packing. Seems to me our Nazi president should order his jack booted thugs to come down on these born again mlitias with both boots but he hasn't, (yet).

If the Constitution is a living document, then it evolves via the whim of the American people. If we elect a conservative president, he appoints conservative justices. Such as Roberts and Allito who have determined that corporations should have the same voice as individuals and that the spending of money equates to free speech which means the more money you have, the more speak you have. The more money you have, the louder your voice. Thus persons who have often inherited their privelidged positions with the proverbial silver spoons in their mouths, are born with a louder voice than you, my poor bumpkin. Carry this to its illogical extreme, the richest man in the United States has the loudest voice and can outshout all naysayers. This stance is bad enough, providing the filthy rich individual with a louder voice but to equate a corporation with the individual and allow the same rights to it. This sort of mindset is the reason we're ruled today by the special interest.

The problem with taking the things these hate speakers say with a grain of salt is that there are many hate filled people who take this speak as validation of their own necrotic thought processes. There was a time not so far in the past when an influential senator, Joseph McCarthy, accused any individual that he chose to, to be a communist and that person was then ostracized by society because of his accusation alone. Eventually, a great man stood up and called him on his hate speak. McCarthy was eventually censured by the United States Senate and retired in ignominy. By the way, one of his staunchest supporters was Richard Nixon who also retired in ignominy; not a coincidence I dare say.

This country is in for real trouble in the not so distance future if the type of speak that these people spew continues without an influential leader on the right challenging it for what it is. And that is what it will take, no one on the left can challenge their hate with credibility. If the truth be known, these people and those who think like them are much closer to Nazi ilk than anyone on the left you can name and those who follow them are the new brown shirts.
 
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Talk radio is a right wing conservative thing. No equal exists with opposing views. That being said...
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Okay guys, here's my take. Rush calls Obama a Nazi. Can't remember the housing of or the attempted extermination yet of a race of people. If he were a Nazi, he would have already exterminated the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michael Savage.
I'm pretty sure this is taken out of context. Almost every line that people use to criticize these guys is taken out of context. If Rush called him a Nazi is was probably based on political views ( which would be correct ) and no so much all the other things Nazi's did. Nazis started as Germans Nazional Socialistitische Partei. The second part there is important.

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Where's our Constitution? Hmmm! Me thinks it's a living document, or so I've been told.
You are correct. But you misunderstand the meaning...we'll get to that.

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The founders of the Constitution lived in a day when if you needed a standing army, militias were created, loosely confederated, fighting for the same cause which at that time of course was to defeat the British. The right to form militias and bear arms should be taken in that context but the political right has determined the constitution should be taken literally, (like the Bible, I believe in talking snakes), and all of us should be packing.
The 2nd as you are referring to was actually put in there to protect the people from their own gorvernment. At the time this particular document was penned we had already defeated the british ( which is why we were making documents to run a new State ). No one "should" be packing, but as it is written you have the right.

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Seems to me our Nazi president should order his jack booted thugs to come down on these born again mlitias with both boots but he hasn't, (yet).
Same as above. Additionally, as it stands now Americans can and will defend them selves. The 2nd is kinda nice eh?


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If the Constitution is a living document, then it evolves via the whim of the American people.
A living document means that the rules, examples, etc can be applied current to many situations. In other words the document does not referance specifics but gives specific direction.
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If we elect a conservative president, he appoints conservative justices. Such as Roberts and Allito who have determined that corporations should have the same voice as individuals and that the spending of money equates to free speech which means the more money you have, the more speak you have. The more money you have, the louder your voice. Thus persons who have often inherited their privelidged positions with the proverbial silver spoons in their mouths, are born with a louder voice than you, my poor bumpkin. Carry this to its illogical extreme, the richest man in the United States has the loudest voice and can outshout all naysayers. This stance is bad enough, providing the filthy rich individual with a louder voice but to equate a corporation with the individual and allow the same rights to it. This sort of mindset is the reason we're ruled today by the special interest.
This is called an oligarchy. We are a republic. Our republic is designed with a system of checks and balances that have been systematically circumvented. This is a problem, but we the people just keep voting for more handouts.

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The problem with taking the things these hate speakers say with a grain of salt is that there are many hate filled people who take this speak as validation of their own necrotic thought processes.
This is a psychological issue and no one is responsible for their own actions but them selves.

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There was a time not so far in the past when an influential senator, Joseph McCarthy, accused any individual that he chose to, to be a communist and that person was then ostracized by society because of his accusation alone. Eventually, a great man stood up and called him on his hate speak. McCarthy was eventually censured by the United States Senate and retired in ignominy. By the way, one of his staunchest supporters was Richard Nixon who also retired in ignominy; not a coincidence I dare say.

This country is in for real trouble in the not so distance future if the type of speak that these people spew continues without an influential leader on the right challenging it for what it is. And that is what it will take, no one on the left can challenge their hate with credibility. If the truth be known, these people and those who think like them are much closer to Nazi ilk than anyone on the left you can name and those who follow them are the new brown shirts.
Trust me there is at least as much if not more hate flowing from movements like moveon.org and the likes (Al Sharpton is a snake with a split tongue).

But as I said earlier, I'm 99% sure this is taken out of context. It's your responsibility to know who you are voting for. Beyond that if you don't think they have anything to say, don't listen....gotta love that ignore list eh?
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Rush, Glenn, and Savage are the 3-ring circus of conservative talk shows with Coulter as the bearded lady side attraction...people will gawk and listen because of the sensationalism but that's about as believable is it gets for anyone with common sense. Like one of the previous posts said, their primary job is ratings.
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I bet no one bashing Rush or Beck in this thread has ever listened to them - just regurgitating what the state run media spoon feeds them.

Try listening and thinking for yourselves . . . . even if you are a naive kid - there's no excuse for not having a mind of your own.

PS - here's a tip for you - the 2nd was put in 2nd to guarantee the 1st
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National Socialism is as far to the right of the political spectrum as Communist Socialism is to the left. Their ideals and principles are so completely different as to be exact opposites. You could support the principles of one or the other, but never both.
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Ha! I've seen Beck and Limbaugh perform. Their acts are designed to appeal to the lowest, basest, most poorly educated, least empathetic, least logical, most easily misled males in this country. They spread nothing but hate, and both of them lie at every opportunity. They're constantly caught in lies. If Beck is not acting with all those histrionics, then he is certifiable.

There is no shortage of lucid, logical, decent conservative commentators. I don't agree with most of what they say or write, but when I view their opinions, I don't feel as if my intelligence is being insulted. Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and a few others make me shudder mentally.
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Theoretically, you are correct, the peace agreement between the Americans and British was signed before the Constitution was ratified but that did not establish peace between the two. In the Brit's minds we were still a colony.

The second ammendment should still be taken in the context in which it was written, just like the entire Constitution should be. You can't apply rules that were written and meant to be applied in the late 1700's to the 21st century without understanding that context.

If a militia is established and well regulated, who shall regulate it? The federal government shall. It is only a matter of time before one of the gun toting proponents of the second amendment, carries his gun into a public place and kills someone. Let's see how your gun toting theory stands up to the scrutiny that will be given such a case.

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If you are implying that I am a kid, that would not be correct. I have listened to both Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for many hours. Neither of them care for this country but care instead about their ratings and the money they can put in their bank accounts.

Mr. Limbaugh, a dope head, has no problem seeing others condemned to years in prison for using drugs, which harm only them, yet when he is brought to task for his drug use, he is a victim, politically persecuted. (By the way, the reason he is deaf is because of his oxycotin abuse.)

Also, Mr. Limbaugh, your bastion of virtue, with talent on loan from God, has been married 5 times. I'm sure all those marriages failed because the women were not virtuous enough.

Glenn Beck is a more serious nut case than Rush Limbaugh. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Just when you think he's making sense, he says something that makes him look like a fool. If you are progressive, then you are be feared. If you hear the word, "Progressive" in your Church, you better find another place to worship. I think we should all instead be "Regressive", don't you Mr. Highland Ranger. Jesus was certainly no "Progressive" was he? Jesus had no "Empathy", did he.

So if you guys thinks hate speak is a good thing, you just prove my point. People that embrace the hate speak, laugh about it, say if you don't like it, listen to something else, are asking people, who are progressive and do have empathy to deny their own eyes. That's what happened in Germany. People that opposed the hate that Hitler espoused turned away, failed to speak. It's not going to happen in this country.
 
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Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer, written in 1959. Any comparisons made of our presidents, whether Republican on Democrat, to Nazism is a grossly ill-conceived.
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Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer, written in 1959. Any comparisons made of our presidents, whether Republican on Democrat, to Nazism is a grossly ill-conceived.
Agreed, but both sides like to use the term. The double standard makes me want to puke.
It's worth mentioning that I speak German as my second language and spend 12 years in Germany/ Austria. I know better then most what Nazi's did.
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Theoretically, you are correct, the peace agreement between the Americans and British was signed before the Constitution was ratified but that did not establish peace between the two. In the Brit's minds we were still a colony.

The second ammendment should still be taken in the context in which it was written, just like the entire Constitution should be. You can't apply rules that were written and meant to be applied in the late 1700's to the 21st century without understanding that context.
So the first doesn't apply anymore either as the british aren't going to invade us anymore and limit our newspapers? The constituion is thus not a living document.

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If a militia is established and well regulated, who shall regulate it? The federal government shall. It is only a matter of time before one of the gun toting proponents of the second amendment, carries his gun into a public place and kills someone. Let's see how your gun toting theory stands up to the scrutiny that will be given such a case.
Try that with "the right to keep and bare arms".

This incident already happened. The theory stands as we still can still drive cars though hundreds on people are killed with them, same with baseball bats and kitchen knives. I will carry until the day I die, which may come early if a government tries to disarm me.

Your colors are clear at this point. If you think any amount of mental gymnastics will circumvent the 2nd then you are beyond all reason. You will waste no more of my time on these issues.
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Look up your history - gun confiscations and bans precede genocide. In fact one of our major pieces of legislation, Gun Control Act of 68 I believe was modeled after a Nazi law.

(Can't have those Jews shooting at you as you round them up.)

And the first gun control laws in this country have their history in racism - they were passed in an effort to make sure the newly freed slaves had trouble arming themselves.

Makes all that cross burning messy when the black folk shoot at you as you're trying to light the cross while not getting your white sheet dirty.

But this is an old argument. Tide has turned what with the DC ruling, right to carry in so many states etc. You lost. Get over it. But more importantly, don't propagate that failed rhetoric. I think even Soros is spending his money on other issues now.

I'll leave the religious stuff alone. Not my area of expertise.

Also notice that you personally attack and ridicule Limbaugh and Beck but don't really address some of the things the say.

Must burn you up how many people are opening their eyes eh?
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In all honesty you have to take what these guys say with a grain of salt. Remember their job is ratings. That said russia have been saying since the cold war that Americawill fall to socialism from the inside. Who would know better then those that preceded us.
That's a waste of perfectly good salt.
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National Socialism is as far to the right of the political spectrum as Communist Socialism is to the left. Their ideals and principles are so completely different as to be exact opposites. You could support the principles of one or the other, but never both.
No.. National Socialism is far to the left. It's complete authoritarian control mixed with corporatism.. something that we're seeing grow right now in the United States in relation with the big banks and military industrial complex.

Conservatism is very small limited government as close to anarchy as you can get without losing control.

But to the original topic.. Rush and Glenn are missing the mark, although Rush has slightly awakened in the past few months. Michael Savage is somewhat there too.. The only person who has consistently hit the nail on the head however.. Alex Jones.
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No.. National Socialism is far to the left.
Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.
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Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.
There you go...letting that secret out of the bag.
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No offense, but like all people, my time on this planet is limited. Wasting any of it listening to hate-filled lunatics like limbaugh, beck, or savage is sinful.
Amen brother. Those three are truly sickos.
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Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.
That's how the mainstream media 'educating' the sheep paint the right left paradigm to be, but in reality that isn't the case. The further left you go, the more control and totalitarianism there is.. the further right you go, the less government there is. On one end you have Nazism, on the other end you have Anarchism.
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That's how the mainstream media 'educating' the sheep paint the right left paradigm to be, but in reality that isn't the case. The further left you go, the more control and totalitarianism there is.. the further right you go, the less government there is. On one end you have Nazism, on the other end you have Anarchism.

I'm sorry, but...

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I'm sorry, but...

You didn't learn any of this in a college level government class of sorts? It's pretty much the most fundamental of topics covered in the first week. But yes, I agree, totally hilarious.. to the people who fall trap to the republican versus democrat media illusion.
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But you guys never addressed what I said about the hate speak of Limbaugh and Beck. You don't think it's hate speak? They want to have a love in, right? I'd like to see Rush Limbaugh or Beck sit across from a table with someone who would take them to task for the vitriole they spew but neither of them has the guts to appear in a forum where their views would be questioned because they no they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and if either have appeared at such a forum, correct me please.

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But you guys never addressed what I said about the hate speak of Limbaugh and Beck. You don't think it's hate speak? They want to have a love in, right? I'd like to see Rush Limbaugh or Beck sit across from a table with someone who would take them to task for the vitriole they spew but neither of them has the guts to appear in a forum where their views would be questioned because they no they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and if either have appeared at such a forum, correct me please.
Of course Limbaugh, Beck, and a few others on the far right engage in "hate speech." That's how they build and maintain their audiences. They and their listeners/viewers feed on each other. Unfortunately, some of their "fans" take what the hatemongers say seriously, and act out, sometimes violently.

I don't engage in discussions of any "issues" these media hatemongers bring up, because that only serves their purpose.

You mention that neither Beck nor Limbaugh have the guts to appear in real forums. That is correct. Now I understand that Sarah Palin won't appear on significant national interview shows (other than fox, of course), and that Rand Paul has been advised to turn down requests from interviewers who might ask questions about some of his "way out there" views.

It is a sad commentary on our times and our society that so many are attracted to the likes of Limbaugh and Beck and others of their ilk.
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Right on. The lovers of Limbaugh, Beck and Savage; the New Brown Shirts!
 
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Don't waste your time on Brab - he is a schill sent out by the DNC to make noise. They're everywhere posing as citizens.

If you have diverse interests what you'll see is that they don't stray too far from the script or get too entangled in conversation. They know they can't convince you, so they just use your posts to pivot to the next sound byte, in some clever (not really) way. They are hoping they can drown out the truth with their noise.

Dead giveaway - a new member on a technology board with most of his posts in this thread.

I am betting he owns an i-Phone or a Blackberry. The i-phone in particular would fit in with their "we know what's good for you better than you do" approach.
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From I have seen from reading most of the above comments, particularly about the Nazi party, most of you don't know very much about the party itself or the political spectrum. It is not as simple as right and left, which mostly concerns economic policies. There is another demention which concerns government control and is split between authoritarian and libertarian.

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That being said there is also a difference between political parties and political ideology. Both parties pick and choose policies that can come from either right/left or authoritarian/libertarian ideologies.

Now, the Nazi party... Yes it has socialist in the name but it was a political party and like all political parties it picks and chooses policies and how to run things. Most importantly, it was completely on the authoritarian side of the spectrum. As far as left and right goes most scholars (yes, those with the education and qualification to make such a judgement) put them to the right side of middle. Either way, comparing them to any politician or party is a very weak argument and a classic scare tactic used to get those who don't understand how ridiculous such a comparison is to freak out.


Now about the constitution... I don't agree with many of the policies of the current administration and congress for various reasons but saying that they are taking away your rights guaranteed by the constitution is crazy. Again, I would consider these arguments classic scare tactics used against those who don't know better.
If you open any American History book or as anyone educated in the matter they will tell you that the founders of the country were very clever. They wrote the Constitution in a way that would allow for its interpretation to change and adapt with the times. Obviously they had no idea what the world would by like in 2010, but they wrote the document in a way that it would still work for us today. Pretty incredible really.

Now if you really think that your rights given in the constitution are being violated by the current administration (who does not actually make any laws) then the founders have your back again. Their system of government allows for the interpretation of the constitution to change over time, and its interpretation is decided by the Supreme Court. So if any laws were passed that violated those rights the Supreme Court (which currently has a majority of Republicans) would step in and declare that law to be unconstitutional. And if you are worried about current law taking away your rights I am very interested in what you think about the Patriot Act.


Now my personal views on the the world/politics. Many people view the world as either white or black, but to me this is a dramatic oversimplification of the world. The modern world is a complicated place and I think it is ridiculous to expect that one ideology can provide all the answers to our problems. To me it all comes down to efficiency and results, maybe because I'm an engineer, who knows. Whatever gives us the best outcome is the policy that I will go with, regardless of what ideology it comes from. If a new idea is shown to have better results or makes more sense I will support it. I think that to many people get caught up in ideology in this country, which imo is a consequence of the two party system.

Sorry if this is not related to the OP in any way. As regards to Limbaugh and Beck they have both admitted as being entertainers and not reporters. Fox and Rupert Murdoch have even said their sections are for entertainment and not news. Very little of what they say is based in fact. IMO they are just in this to take advantage of those who do not know what they are saying is wrong in order to make money off of them.
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Way to go, a Fox news clip. You have automatically lost your credibilty.
lolz, if the video was cropped it wouldn't matter, it was a direct quote.

You have automatically lost your credibility. Automatically. You should be "trollbot".
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You have automatically lost your credibility. Automatically. You should be "trollbot".
Agreed.

However your views on the political spectrum are still way off and your comparisons of Obama to a Nazi are way off as well.
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How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.
i used to be a big lib...i was always told rush is racist , this person is this way..blah bl;ah blah...and i believed it for a long time...then i decided I needed to listen to them, to really hear if what i was hearing about these people were true, well, it wasn't..Rush is not racist, nor has any one including Glenn beck been using hate speech...seems the left defines hate speech as anyone who does not subscribe to their viewpoints, well, i hate to tell you, even hate speech is protected under free speech laws...you cannot have it both ways and filter just what you believe, not how it works...If one knows their history, they will see how far we have come from our founding fathers ideals, and yes, that is a scarey look into our history and where we are headed...read mark Levins liberty and tyranny, it will open your eyes, you see, for a very long time i was apart of the liberal left, I know the truth, I know what the agenda is, I know their modus operandi, I cannot be lied too anymore and be a sheep of the left. the left is more violent, history shows this, then the right and very much hateful......sorry, but there is no hate speech from limbaugh or beck, or colter, or sowell, or levin, or hannity...I actually listen to what these people say, just as I used to listen to what the other side said, and the left is more off base then the right ill tell you that much.
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i used to be a big lib...i was always told rush is racist , this person is this way..blah bl;ah blah...and i believed it for a long time...then i decided I needed to listen to them, to really hear if what i was hearing about these people were true, well, it wasn't..Rush is not racist, nor has any one including Glenn beck been using hate speech...seems the left defines hate speech as anyone who does not subscribe to their viewpoints, well, i hate to tell you, even hate speech is protected under free speech laws...you cannot have it both ways and filter just what you believe, not how it works...If one knows their history, they will see how far we have come from our founding fathers ideals, and yes, that is a scarey look into our history and where we are headed...read mark Levins liberty and tyranny, it will open your eyes, you see, for a very long time i was apart of the liberal left, I know the truth, I know what the agenda is, I know their modus operandi, I cannot be lied too anymore and be a sheep of the left. the left is more violent, history shows this, then the right and very much hateful......sorry, but there is no hate speech from limbaugh or beck, or colter, or sowell, or levin, or hannity...I actually listen to what these people say, just as I used to listen to what the other side said, and the left is more off base then the right ill tell you that much.
Wow thats quite a claim, however very little evidence included in your post. Care to expand upon any of it? IE how we have left the founding fathers ideals, what their agenda is, or their modus operandi (as in how they operate)? Just curious.
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Personally, I view Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, etc. the same way I do Howard Stern. They are all shock jocks to a certain degree, they just have different audiences and subject matter.

I also have to add that I find the "brown shirt" comments concerning. I have never had a problem with UPS. They are normally very helpful and lacking in hate.
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To whomever I offended in my posts, I apologize and will keep it under control in the future. Guranteed.
For what it is worth, and it ain't worth much, since I am a big nobody here, I think it is appropriate to express your true feelings about political figures such as Limbaugh and Beck* so long as you do so in a reasonable manner.
I also think it is inappropriate to call other posters here by name or innuendo. I didn't notice that you did the latter.

* I think Limbaugh and to a lesser degree Beck are political figures. Most Republican office holders won't poop if they think Limbaugh might object.
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Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.
Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think... When people say that Fascist Germany was run by corporations they could not be further from the truth... Do you honestly believe that Hitler allowed large corporations to do whatever they wanted? Absolutely not... the government in place (mainly just Hitler himself) set the rules, and then businesses had no choice but to follow them. This truth is one of the many things that set Fascism on the complete opposite side of Conservatism.
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[QUOTE=jhelwege;808418]Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think... /QUOTE]

Mr. Goldberg grinds his ax daily to benefit the far right wing. His opinions on progressives, liberals, moderates, et cetera, are, at best, suspect. He is a writer of screeds that appeal to the fans of Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, et al.
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Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think... /QUOTE]

Mr. Goldberg grinds his ax daily to benefit the far right wing. His opinions on progressives, liberals, moderates, et cetera, are, at best, suspect. He is a writer of screeds that appeal to the fans of Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, et al.
Im sure you haven't read the book... So I don't have any idea why you are making comments like the one above... Also, you're main point had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in my post. I think the only idea you covered was the fact that he is conservative, so he appeals to a conservative audience... Thanks for that. Can I ask you what you think about those who write from a more liberal point of view?
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Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think...
Please pick up and actual political science book if you want to discuss the political spectrum. Also read my above post.

Any political science book will tell you that that Fascism was created with both right and left winged ideas, and is based on corporatist values. To imply that Fascists are on the left is just ridiculous as they have a history of flat out rejecting the ideas of liberalism, marxism, and mainstream socialism.
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Im sure you haven't read the book... So I don't have any idea why you are making comments like the one above... Also, you're main point had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in my post. I think the only idea you covered was the fact that he is conservative, so he appeals to a conservative audience... Thanks for that. Can I ask you what you think about those who write from a more liberal point of view?
I've seen Goldberg perform on TV, I've seen his extreme right-wing slant, I've seen the hatred in his commentaries...why would I assume he's any more honest and disciplined in his book?

Sorry, but I don't pay much attention to over-the-top right-wingers. That includes Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al.

What do I think of "more liberal" writers? It depends on how responsible they are in their writings/statements.

I do pay attention to some conservative writers and commentators, but not the ones whose "target audience" is the same as that of Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al. I think they are irresponsible loudmouths whose main purpose is to rouse the rabble. They're very good at it, too.
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I've seen Goldberg perform on TV, I've seen his extreme right-wing slant, I've seen the hatred in his commentaries...why would I assume he's any more honest and disciplined in his book?

Sorry, but I don't pay much attention to over-the-top right-wingers. That includes Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al.

What do I think of "more liberal" writers? It depends on how responsible they are in their writings/statements.

I do pay attention to some conservative writers and commentators, but not the ones whose "target audience" is the same as that of Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al. I think they are irresponsible loudmouths whose main purpose is to rouse the rabble. They're very good at it, too.
I feel like this is a worthless argument, but I will keep going... It seems to me that you are only capable of listening to and/or reading the work of someone who is completely in the middle of all issues. You will only pay attention to someone who is unbiased and can see both sides of every argument. The problem is that your biases will lead you to believe that anyone you agree with is unbiased and fair... while anyone that you do not agree with is biased and unfair. You probably think that CNN and MSNBC do a good job of reporting fair and unbiased news because you agree with the agenda they are trying to push. I think the Communist News Network and MSNBC (sorry, no clever name) lean further to the left than Fox News leans to the right. Though I can't stand CNN or MSNBC, I think that they have the right to twist news and information however they would like, and then viewers can decide whether or not they want to listen. Obviously the people that you rip in each and every one of your posts have found a way to make people listen. If you agreed with their agenda you would also listen to them without hesitation... but you do not agree with their agenda, and instead of just not listening, you have decided to speak out against them with hatred because you feel that you are above it all. The word for this is hypocrisy...
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I feel like this is a worthless argument, but I will keep going... It seems to me that you are only capable of listening to and/or reading the work of someone who is completely in the middle of all issues. You will only pay attention to someone who is unbiased and can see both sides of every argument. The problem is that your biases will lead you to believe that anyone you agree with is unbiased and fair... while anyone that you do not agree with is biased and unfair. You probably think that CNN and MSNBC do a good job of reporting fair and unbiased news because you agree with the agenda they are trying to push. I think the Communist News Network and MSNBC (sorry, no clever name) lean further to the left than Fox News leans to the right. Though I can't stand CNN or MSNBC, I think that they have the right to twist news and information however they would like, and then viewers can decide whether or not they want to listen. Obviously the people that you rip in each and every one of your posts have found a way to make people listen. If you agreed with their agenda you would also listen to them without hesitation... but you do not agree with their agenda, and instead of just not listening, you have decided to speak out against them with hatred because you feel that you are above it all. The word for this is hypocrisy...

You make a lot of assumptions about me, based upon...nothing. As I stated, i do read and watch responsible commentators on the left, on the right, and in the middle. The ones I mentioned as not liking are rabble-rousing gasbags, in my opinion. But I don't hate Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al, as you state. I simply see them for what they are, and pay little attention to them, other than to laugh at their antics and, to a lesser degree, those who take them seriously.

You seem upset at my disdain for over-the-top commentators. I don't know why. It's perfectly OK with me if you believe in Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et cetera. I simply have a different set of standards.
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The problem is that your biases will lead you to believe that anyone you agree with is unbiased and fair... while anyone that you do not agree with is biased and unfair. You probably think that CNN and MSNBC do a good job of reporting fair and unbiased news because you agree with the agenda they are trying to push. I think the Communist News Network and MSNBC (sorry, no clever name) lean further to the left than Fox News leans to the right.
So by your own argument you are admitting that your view of Fox News leans less to the right than MSNBC to the left is incorrect.

Personally I think that anyone who views Fox and MSNBC as anything other and equal and opposite is only kidding themselves. They are the exact same, just opposite sides of the political spectrum.

Also, I have failed to see how CNN is in any way liberal. However, I think they are just as bad as the other two. They try so hard not to not come off as conservative or liberal that they have pretty much stopped reporting any news and just read off twitter feeds...

We lack a decent source of news in the US imo...
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I'll have you know Mr Highland Ranger that I am not a troll, though I will admit to stirring.the pot now and then. I do believe that our public discourse has sunken to an all time low and that Limbaugh, Beck, Sabage, Palin, etc. don't really care what affect their speak has on societal stability but are chasing the almighty dollar.

And Mr Jhelwege, of all the cable so called news channels, CNN is the least biased of them all and that may make for boring tv but it's better than fabricated senstionalism.

Both MSNBC and FOX are clearly biased, though I cannot recall instances of outright made up stories on MSNBC such as you see on FOX.

And how bout Palin pointing fingers at Obama claiming he is in BP's back pocket when she was governor of the socialized state of Alaska whose every citizen gets a yearly check from the oil industry and whose campaign, actually McCains, accepted twice as much money from big oil as Obama's.
 
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I'll have you know Mr Highland Ranger that I am not a troll, though I will admit to stirring.the pot now and then. I do believe that our public discourse has sunken to an all time low and that Limbaugh, Beck, Sabage, Palin, etc. don't really care what affect their speak has on societal stability but are chasing the almighty dollar.

And Mr Jhelwege, of all the cable so called news channels, CNN is the least biased of them all and that may make for boring tv but it's better than fabricated senstionalism.

Both MSNBC and FOX are clearly biased, though I cannot recall instances of outright made up stories on MSNBC such as you see on FOX.

And how bout Palin pointing fingers at Obama claiming he is in BP's back pocket when she was governor of the socialized state of Alaska whose every citizen gets a yearly check from the oil industry and whose campaign, actually McCains, accepted twice as much money from big oil as Obama's.
Alright Brab, I was about ready to stop wasting my time on this thread but your multitude of misinformation has lead me to believe that it is worth my time to try and correct you...

First, it is your opinion that CNN is the least biased of all news channels... It is my opinion that the Communist News Network is not even close to unbiased... You feel that CNN conveys information you can agree with and believe in, thus you also feel they are the most unbiased. You disagree with every opinion or piece of information that Fox conveys to its audience on a nightly basis, thus you believe they are the most biased...

Second, name an "outright made up story" that has been displayed on Fox... If you are going to make a statement such as this, you should probably try to back it up with some solid information. Otherwise, it seems like you are outright making up a story...

Third, if you want to talk about campaign donations look up on google the amount that Obama/Biden received overall versus the amount McCain/Palin received overall. Your argument here is completely worthless... If you think that Palin is the only politician who has ever been slightly hypocritical in accepting money from donations (and you think this only because she is very conservative) than I hope that this November you do not waste your time making uninformed decisions at the polls... You will do your country a service by staying home... trust me.
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