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Old May 26th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default There's nothing funny about the Gulf...

...oil spill, except, maybe, the shout-outs from the right wing that the "government should do something about it."

This would be the same right wing that wants smaller government, less government, less government control, et cetera, so forth, ad infinitum.


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Just remember that government regulation can only get in the way lol...
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That's right...we should trust the big oil companies like BP because, well, they know how to run their drilling operations and clean up after a disaster. Why should they be more tightly regulated?
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How many regulations would it have taken to prevent this from ever happening? Liberals believe gov regulation is the answer to all things, so how many would it have taken?

Again libs filled with hate continue to spread lies about conservatives. Never have conservatives said they believe in NO gov regulation. The lies are offensive, but from the party of intolerance little should be expected.

This is Obama's Katrina. Obama is responsible for this happening just like Bush caused Katrina - like many libs continue to believe. Ya think Obama should not have blown up the oil rig?
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How many regulations would it have taken to prevent this from ever happening? Liberals believe gov regulation is the answer to all things, so how many would it have taken?

Again libs filled with hate continue to spread lies about conservatives. Never have conservatives said they believe in NO gov regulation. The lies are offensive, but from the party of intolerance little should be expected.

This is Obama's Katrina. Obama is responsible for this happening just like Bush caused Katrina - like many libs continue to believe. Ya think Obama should not have blown up the oil rig?
WHAT!?!?!?! I was so taken aback by the content of your post it took me a second to recover. At first I thought you were joking.

Firstly, there is evidence showing that certain engineering and safety guidelines and skipped over. Enough to ensure that these corners could not have been cut should be enough I think...

Second, nobody ever made the claim that conservatives believe in no regulation. My statement was based on lines and messages appearing in many republican speeches and signs.

Third, I'm slightly confused by your third point. Are you claiming that Obama decided to blow up the oil rig or are you just making the comparison that Obama is responsible for this in the same way that Bush is responsible for Katrina? I will assume the latter as the first is just crazy.

In that case nobody blames him for the actual hurricane, just his response. Do I think that more could have done soon in Katrina? Yes, for example why did he wait so long to send in the coast guard? However, is direct criticism of Bush for Katrina unfair? I think so, it not directly his responsibility for that type of situation, as is the case with Obama and the gulf. However, I have seen criticism from that right for the Government getting to involved with the situation, which I find to be ridiculous. For example there was a lot of criticism about the quote "we are going to keep our boot on the throat of BP."
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Shouldn't we be focusing on the clean up and fix the problem? The damage has been done. We know that it was BP's fault. They admitted to everything. Even if the government got in sooner, we would be maybe only 2 days closer to fixing the problem. This is a huge environmental and economic disaster that should NOT have partisan lines. There's no politics behind this disaster... it's simply just people wanting to blame, but they do nothing about it themselves, like volunteering to help, sending donations, and so forth.
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Firstly, there is evidence showing that certain engineering and safety guidelines and skipped over. Enough to ensure that these corners could not have been cut should be enough I think...
Yet Obama approved this well to continue operating. Why did Obama do that while skipping over regulations and cutting corners?

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Second, nobody ever made the claim that conservatives believe in no regulation. My statement was based on lines and messages appearing in many republican speeches and signs.
Calling for smaller government and less regulation does not mean no government or no regulation. But this was the gist of the OP and often is by liberal liars...oops, I mean talking heads....on the cable news. Keith Olbermann even tried to blame the oil mess on Sarah Palin. The party of tolerance launching more sexist attacks. More like the party of hypocrisy.

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Third, I'm slightly confused by your third point. Are you claiming that Obama decided to blow up the oil rig or are you just making the comparison that Obama is responsible for this in the same way that Bush is responsible for Katrina? I will assume the latter as the first is just crazy.
Looks like you got my point with that one.

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In that case nobody blames him for the actual hurricane, just his response. Do I think that more could have done soon in Katrina? Yes, for example why did he wait so long to send in the coast guard? However, is direct criticism of Bush for Katrina unfair? I think so, it not directly his responsibility for that type of situation, as is the case with Obama and the gulf. However, I have seen criticism from that right for the Government getting to involved with the situation, which I find to be ridiculous. For example there was a lot of criticism about the quote "we are going to keep our boot on the throat of BP."
Sure, Bush can be criticized for the aftermath of Katrina - even though residents were warned to evacuate for days and decided to stay. Since they were warned of Katrina and had plenty of time to evacuate, I have little sympathy for most of the "victims" of Katrina.

37 days after the oil rig exploded in the gulf and the oil leak, Obama has done almost nothing. MSM ignores this and any criticism of their messiah is attacked as racist and any other wacko term the party of tolerance chooses. Liberals are completely cut off from reality. Everyone should be screaming for Obama to get his a$$ down there (he continues to fail in doing that) and see the pain of the people, the marine life, and the gulf in general. But I'm sure Obama will have Napolitano declare this a victory and much ado about nothing the same way she claimed the system worked with the underwear bomber. Reality. Liberals. The two are foreign to each other.

As for keeping their boot on the throat of BP, I think the very poor choice of words had a lot to do with the criticize of Obama there. That and the fact that Obama is the weakest panty-waist there is made the statement laughable...except that Obama is so delusional and probably does see himself as some sort of tough jack-boot thug that has responded perfectly.
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Once again... I was simply commentating on the general message by many conservatives/republican about "government always getting in the way" and "do you really want the government to be in charge of things," as this is one case where I would have liked to see more regulation, even if it cost the company a little more money to do things like they should have.


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Sure, Bush can be criticized for the aftermath of Katrina - even though residents were warned to evacuate for days and decided to stay. Since they were warned of Katrina and had plenty of time to evacuate, I have little sympathy for most of the "victims" of Katrina.
So you made the statement that if Bush is to be blamed for Katrina, then Obama is to be blamed for the oil leak.

Here you are saying that Bush is not to be blamed for Katrina. Fair enough, I agreed with that beforehand.

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37 days after the oil rig exploded in the gulf and the oil leak, Obama has done almost nothing. MSM ignores this and any criticism of their messiah is attacked as racist and any other wacko term the party of tolerance chooses. Liberals are completely cut off from reality. Everyone should be screaming for Obama to get his a$$ down there (he continues to fail in doing that) and see the pain of the people, the marine life, and the gulf in general. But I'm sure Obama will have Napolitano declare this a victory and much ado about nothing the same way she claimed the system worked with the underwear bomber. Reality. Liberals. The two are foreign to each other.

As for keeping their boot on the throat of BP, I think the very poor choice of words had a lot to do with the criticize of Obama there. That and the fact that Obama is the weakest panty-waist there is made the statement laughable...except that Obama is so delusional and probably does see himself as some sort of tough jack-boot thug that has responded perfectly.
And yet here you are saying that Obama is to be blamed for the current state of the oil spill. So your previous statement is either nullified or your being completely hypocritical. Reality. This point. They seem to be foreign to each other.

What is Obama going to the site of the Oil Spill going to do? Are you saying that his presence will magically make things better? He, nor any politician, is an engineer and certainly would not have the technical background required to solve this problem. I don't understand this argument.

Also Obama never made the throat on neck statement... However it still shows that they are exercising every power they can, which is limited in this case (as was Bushs with Katrina), to get the problem solved.
Even so, they seem to be criticized for it for exercising to much power. Then 5 minutes later they are blamed and criticized again for not having the problem solved.

You can't have it both ways.
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Obama should have asked for help from other oil companies a long time ago and that has nothing to do with politics. The boot on the neck comment is absolutely ridiculous and Obama should do something about those remarks.
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Once again... I was simply commentating on the general message by many conservatives/republican about "government always getting in the way" and "do you really want the government to be in charge of things," as this is one case where I would have liked to see more regulation, even if it cost the company a little more money to do things like they should have.
So your comments are above reproach and are to simply be accepted? Your comments are just musings and not to be taken seriously as points to debate? Good god, how are people supposed to know the difference?




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So you made the statement that if Bush is to be blamed for Katrina, then Obama is to be blamed for the oil leak.

Here you are saying that Bush is not to be blamed for Katrina. Fair enough, I agreed with that beforehand.
Specifically, where did I say that Bush was not to be blamed for the AFTERMATH of Katrina? You keep dropping that typical lib talk that says Bush is blamed for Katrina when you say you don't blame him. Which is it?

The crucifixion of Bush began within the first days after Katrina, an event of nature. Obama has had 37 days of a man-made event from a rig he gave his blessing....and does nothing.



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And yet here you are saying that Obama is to be blamed for the current state of the oil spill. So your previous statement is either nullified or your being completely hypocritical. Reality. This point. They seem to be foreign to each other.
No, you are putting words in my mouth. Like I said, show me exactly where I said Bush should not be blamed for anything. Come on, surely you can do that...or are you being less than truthful?

The real hypocrisy comes from the lefties that still blame Bush today but give Obama a free pass and refuse to hold him responsible for anything. Man-made event vs. an event of nature. Bush was crucified in a few days after Katrina. Obama has had 37 days and does nothing. The left ignores it and blames anything else to divert attention. Like Olbermann trying to blame Sarah Palin.

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What is Obama going to the site of the Oil Spill going to do?
It is symbolic, it shows he might be human and care a small bit in his elitist tower. Bush was slammed for flying above New Orleans after Katrina instead of personally visiting (at first). No criticism of Obama, even 37 days later. I am seeing a pattern here with libs....how about you?

Additionally, Obama might actually have feelings for people that are the salt of the earth and finally declare it a disaster area, making them eligible for federal relief. You know, since they pay those high taxes and all.


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Also Obama never made the throat on neck statement...
Obama said he wanted to be held responsible (after elected) and promised a new and higher level of government. This is it? His regime made the remark. It is the typical elitist poor taste that always bubbles to the top.

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Even so, they seem to be criticized for it for exercising to much power. Then 5 minutes later they are blamed and criticized again for not having the problem solved.

You can't have it both ways.
Oh, so you are holding me responsible for every remark made by any conservative in the news? Fine by me, I will have a LOT of fun with this game as long as YOU agree to be held accountable right down the line with anything and everything made by ANY liberal in the news. Agreed?
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Sure, Bush can be criticized for the aftermath of Katrina - even though residents were warned to evacuate for days and decided to stay. Since they were warned of Katrina and had plenty of time to evacuate, I have little sympathy for most of the "victims" of Katrina.
Actually residents were warned only a day before that it was going to hit hard, not "for days". More than a million residents of the Gulf Coast region were told to evacuate, of the remaining population, 26k were left in New Orleans. Also, they didn't expect the levees to actually break. The breaking of the levees is what caused the massive flooding damage, not the hurricane itself. That's why there were so many problems in the insurance industry with people who had hurricane insurance, but not flooding insurance.

Also keep in mind that New Orleans had a lot of warnings before, but just like the "big warning that a huge earthquake is due for the LA area", there were a lot of people that just didn't believe it... or they thought it wasn't going to be as hard.

Victims of Katrina include people who had their houses destroyed, even though they themselves escaped. I hope you have a lot of sympathy for them. Are you only talking about the people who decided to stay? Also keep in mind, tourists are considered to be victims of Katrina. If you were a tourist in New Orleans and realized that you had to evacuate, what would you actually do? From what I've read, they were told to be in the upper levels of their hotels.
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By the way, name-calling doesn't do anything to help further your argument. When was name-calling actually effective in an argument? Elementary school.
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Actually residents were warned only a day before that it was going to hit hard, not "for days". More than a million residents of the Gulf Coast region were told to evacuate, of the remaining population, 26k were left in New Orleans. Also, they didn't expect the levees to actually break. The breaking of the levees is what caused the massive flooding damage, not the hurricane itself. That's why there were so many problems in the insurance industry with people who had hurricane insurance, but not flooding insurance.

Also keep in mind that New Orleans had a lot of warnings before, but just like the "big warning that a huge earthquake is due for the LA area", there were a lot of people that just didn't believe it... or they thought it wasn't going to be as hard.

Victims of Katrina include people who had their houses destroyed, even though they themselves escaped. I hope you have a lot of sympathy for them. Are you only talking about the people who decided to stay? Also keep in mind, tourists are considered to be victims of Katrina. If you were a tourist in New Orleans and realized that you had to evacuate, what would you actually do? From what I've read, they were told to be in the upper levels of their hotels.

ACTUALLY....the reports had been saying for years that the shorelines had been eroding and that the risk of a massive disaster was only a perfect storm away. I remember seeing a documentary on this with much more scientific lingo then little ole me can regurgitate on TV almost a year before it actually happened. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been helped though. I have had tornado AND water damage insurance on my house since I have been a home owner and I live 5 miles from the nearest creek, 20 miles from the nearest lake, 2 states away from the nearest great lake and 4 states away from the nearest ocean. It was at best gambling without taking the odds into consideration to own a home in New Orleans without the proper insurance.
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ACTUALLY....the reports had been saying for years that the shorelines had been eroding and that the risk of a massive disaster was only a perfect storm away. I remember seeing a documentary on this with much more scientific lingo then little ole me can regurgitate on TV almost a year before it actually happened. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been helped though. I have had tornado AND water damage insurance on my house since I have been a home owner and I live 5 miles from the nearest creek, 20 miles from the nearest lake, 2 states away from the nearest great lake and 4 states away from the nearest ocean. It was at best gambling without taking the odds into consideration to own a home in New Orleans without the proper insurance.
I don't really understand how the eroding shorelines means that the levees were going to break. I know that's definitely something the general public, even myself, would not understand. Can't really blame the new Orleanians for that.

It's great that you have insurance on your house. I know that many people had hurricane insurance, but not flood insurance. I think that they didn't expect New Orleans to be flooded, aside from a hurricane, but that would be covered under hurricane insurance. Since the levees broke and all that water came pouring in, the insurance companies were calling it a flooding problem... so many people were downright screwed. I don't know how many of those cases were in favor of the people, but I sure do hope they were for their sakes.
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Oh, so you are holding me responsible for every remark made by any conservative in the news? Fine by me, I will have a LOT of fun with this game as long as YOU agree to be held accountable right down the line with anything and everything made by ANY liberal in the news. Agreed?
Hell no. Personally I think that many liberal talking heads arguments are just as ******ed as those of their conservative counterparts. However, you keep mentioning liberal hypocrisy where you see it, I am simply doing the same.

It is very obvious that this is going to keep going in circles. We can keep going at it but it seems that neither of us are going to convince the other of anything.
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Hell no. Personally I think that many liberal talking heads arguments are just as ******ed as those of their conservative counterparts. However, you keep mentioning liberal hypocrisy where you see it, I am simply doing the same.

It is very obvious that this is going to keep going in circles. We can keep going at it but it seems that neither of us are going to convince the other of anything.

My advice, which you did not solicit, is to not pay much attention to those whose forum "debate" skills were picked up by watching how Limbaugh and the Fox commentators behave, or who engage in calling other posters here names.
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Pretty interesting if you haven't seen it already. Hopefully the top kill works...

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Hey hey hey, lay off of Obama please, jeez, he's been so busy lately. Just two nights ago he was on an interview on TNT talking about the playoff's and basketball, how he watches most of the west coast games. Give the man a break about the whole oil spill and 37 days with no response crap, he's had more important things to do like watching the Suns vs. Lakers...

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Hey hey hey, lay off of Obama please, jeez, he's been so busy lately. Just two nights ago he was on an interview on TNT talking about the playoff's and basketball, how he watches most of the west coast games. Give the man a break about the whole oil spill and 37 days with no response crap, he's had more important things to do like watching the Suns vs. Lakers...

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Also, they didn't expect the levees to actually break. The breaking of the levees is what caused the massive flooding damage, not the hurricane itself.
Yes, I'm sure the leveees would have just burst open even if it weren't for that pesky hurricane.


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You made your usual claim, now prove it. PROVE that "those whose forum "debate" skills were picked up by watching how Limbaugh and the Fox commentators behave" got their skills from Limbaugh or Fox commentators. Your claim and I'm calling you on your slander. Put up or shut up. I hope you have little feet.

And your typical slander you delight in here is just as bad, or worse, than calling names.

After you are done proving your claim, explain how Fox commentators are any worse than those on MSNPMS or CNN.

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You made your usual claim, now prove it. PROVE that "those whose forum "debate" skills were picked up by watching how Limbaugh and the Fox commentators behave" got their skills from Limbaugh or Fox commentators. Your claim and I'm calling you on your slander. Put up or shut up. I hope you have little feet.

And your typical slander you delight in here is just as bad, or worse, than calling names.
The proof is in the pudding. You can call all you like; it matters not to me.
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The proof is in the pudding. You can call all you like; it matters not to me.
So you have NO proof. Just your hate and hostility for those that disagree with you. Just your sniveling and worthless opinion filled with the vomit you spew. Thanks for making it so easy to expose you as someone with no credibility. You make a great poster boy for liberals!
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Just your hate and hostility for those that disagree with you. Just your sniveling and worthless opinion filled with the vomit you spew.
The hypocrisy leaves me speechless...
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My advice is to not pay much attention to those whose forum "debate" skills were picked up by watching how Limbaugh, Beck and other Fox commentators behave, or who engage in calling other posters here names. In other words, don't engage those here whose manners you wouldn't tolerate in person.
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The hypocrisy leaves me speechless...
Then you should stop highlighting your hypocrisy. Just a suggestion.

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My advice is to not pay much attention to those whose forum "debate" skills were picked up by watching how Limbaugh, Beck and other Fox commentators behave, or who engage in calling other posters here names. In other words, don't engage those here whose manners you wouldn't tolerate in person.
And your advice for those whose forum "debate" skills were picked up by watching Olbermann? Matthews? Anderson Cooper?

I have exposed you as nothing more than a partisan hack and a troll. I called you out on your lies (as in your post here) and asked you to provide proof of your above claims and you failed.

Truth is you want people here that only agree with you. Like most liberals, you can't stand it when someone refuses to play by your rules that favor you. When that doesn't happen you spew your vomit of hate and hostility. You whine like a little girl and stomp your widdow feet. You can't compete on an equal playing field. I would imagine that extends to your real life as well.

Grow up. The world doesn't owe you a forum where everyone tells you you are right and just agrees like the members of the Obama cult.
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Here's my advice; either start acting like adults and partake in civil discussion or be prepared for an enforced holiday.

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The Bush Administration knew for a week or more that Katrina was heading toward New Orleans with a high liklihood of making land there. Therefore they had ample opportunity to prepare.

The Obama administration, on the other hand, was blindsided by the oil catastrophe. They had no time to prepare. Other oil companies were contacted and they indicated that BP was doing everything and proceeding as they would.

The governmental controls and regulations were those largely left in place by the Bush administration. One must remember that many of those regulations were established during Dick Cheneys behind closed door meeting with the oil industry executives, including, BP and Haliburton. The contents of that meeting were never made public but the outcome was the policies Bush left.

The federal government does not have the expertise to cap an oil well. One cold argue that they should develop that expertise but most certainly, oversite of the oil industries safety and fail safe procedures must be put in place. Those guys, (BP), didn't even have a valid set of engineering drawings which properly detailed the functioning of the safety/failsafe mechanisms supposedly in place. Maybe there should be a federal overseer on every ocean oil rig who would be paid by the oil industry but not responsible to them.

One fault I have with Obama is his slow public response to the seriousness of this event. Even if the federal government did not have the technical expertise to cap the well itself, it needed to ensure that management of the event was put in place. At the very least, there should have been personnel on every beach and at every marsh where the oil made landfill. As it came on shore, it should have been removed I don't care if he had to deploy 50,000 national guard members.
 
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Haven't read the whole thread, but it took all of 4 posts to mention "liberals" and "conservatives". Haha. Always has to come down to that. Draw the lines, declare the other person as the enemy and start firing! Never mind that we are all Americans who will share in the problems and success together.
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The Bush Administration knew for a week or more that Katrina was heading toward New Orleans with a high liklihood of making land there. Therefore they had ample opportunity to prepare.
So you admit that New Orleans had time to prepare or evacuate. Plus, no one had ever seen a Cat-5 hurricane make landfall in a highly populated city before. You condemn Bush why? Because he didn't have a crystal ball? The chief blame for Katrina falls on the people that refused to evacuate after being warned repeatedly.

It's like the comedian Ron White says, "It's not THAT the wind is blowin'...it's WHAT the wind is blowin'!" (his full joke includes a guy holding onto a tree but getting hit by a Volvo blown by the wind)

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The Obama administration, on the other hand, was blindsided by the oil catastrophe. They had no time to prepare. Other oil companies were contacted and they indicated that BP was doing everything and proceeding as they would.
Barry did nothing for more than 30 days. The "but he didn't know!" excuse is worn out.

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The governmental controls and regulations were those largely left in place by the Bush administration. One must remember that many of those regulations were established during Dick Cheneys behind closed door meeting with the oil industry executives, including, BP and Haliburton. The contents of that meeting were never made public but the outcome was the policies Bush left.
I can't believe the gall of you people that blame Bush or Cheney for this. Olbermann even blamed Sarah Palin on his show! Barry and his regime have been in power for 18 months as they having been dismantling the Constitution and cramming a horrible health care bill down the throats of Americans. Do you honestly expect to be taken seriously with this "Blame Bush and Cheney!" attitude?

This is Barry's Katrina. I'm sure you must hate that, but sometimes the truth hurts. As libs taught us during the Bush years, anything that happens when your guy sits in the oval office means he is responsible. No excuses, right? I just hope voters remember.

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The federal government does not have the expertise to cap an oil well. One cold argue that they should develop that expertise but most certainly, oversite of the oil industries safety and fail safe procedures must be put in place.
Barry approved the operation of this very offshore rig more than once since his regime took power - and even gave them a safety award. Don't try to whitewash Barry.

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Those guys, (BP), didn't even have a valid set of engineering drawings which properly detailed the functioning of the safety/failsafe mechanisms supposedly in place.
And Bush didn't have all the information he needed as well for Katrina. More whitewash for Barry, that's all.

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One fault I have with Obama is his slow public response to the seriousness of this event. Even if the federal government did not have the technical expertise to cap the well itself, it needed to ensure that management of the event was put in place. At the very least, there should have been personnel on every beach and at every marsh where the oil made landfill. As it came on shore, it should have been removed I don't care if he had to deploy 50,000 national guard members.
Just wait. Barry will claim this a victory and the MSM will announce he handled it in an "unprecedented" (their fav word for anything Barry does) manner. Napolitano will claim "the system worked!"
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Ok, just read the whole thread. A lotta arguing about nothing.

1. Fenga Papit didn't cal anyone names. He wasn't even mean until someone accused him of calling people names.

2. Katrina was a "surprise". (Let me explain) We knew there was a hurricane coming, but it didn't become a category 4/5 until a day before hitting LA and when it actually hit LA it was a Category 3.

Apologies for citing Wiki. I usually hate using Wiki, but I am a little lazy to hunt for articles from 5 years ago. Anyone else want to cross check Wiki?
Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When I say "surprise" I mean while we knew a hurricane was coming it was a surprise that it would become that powerful. By the time Katrina hit Category 5, people were told to evacuate but that was clearly too little too late.

3. The levees were state managed by LA, not by the Federal government. So you can't blame Bush for them failing.

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4. Bush can't be responsible for Katrina, the late warning of people about it and the failure of the levees. People think the President has so much power. As stated above meteorologist didn't realize how power the hurricane became until it was too late anyways. No President would have known ahead of time. And it is not common to call for an pre-emptive evacuation. And when evacuation orders were given, many refused to listen.

5. I agree the Federal government's response could have been much better. But honestly I am not sure I can solely blame Bush either. Our bureaucracy has gotten so bloated that any single order has to cross so many desks before being implemented. A President can visit the site of the disaster but really, that does nothing.

6. People should buy all those damage insurance, but people don't. If there wasn't a law for car insurance people wouldn't buy it. People are short sighted. Does that mean we don't help them when a national disaster like Katrine happens and have no sympathy for them? Maybe, maybe not. I say everyone should buy insurance by law, but apparently that is "big government" and called unconstitutional. But when people don't take responsibility for their own fate and disaster happens then they want government to step in and help.

7. Personally, I am not sure what the Federal government can do about the oil spill either. It can take control from BP to try and "fix" the problem, but as mention above, I doubt the government has the personnel to do that. The government could bring in other oil companies to help, but that also requires the government to force a private civilian and international company to obey orders. I am sure there will be people that will cry foul if the Federal government takes over a private company's rig. Obama could visit, which he did finally, but what good does that do? In the end, I think all we can do is wait for BP to fix this and then actually hold them accountable for the whole mess and make sure they don't weasel their way out of paying for damages.

8. Lastly, we can pass laws to regulate all we want but if we can't enforce it, those laws aren't any good. There are so many laws and regulations out there that it has become extremely cumbersome and confusing. And that is where loopholes and gaps in enforcements are exploited. I'm honestly not sure what the solution can be. More laws won't fix the problem. And human nature dictates that people and companies will exploit loopholes as long as the reward outweighs the risk. After it is all said and done I am sure BP's profit will still be more than the costs of clean up this mess.
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This is Barry's Katrina. I'm sure you must hate that, but sometimes the truth hurts. As libs taught us during the Bush years, anything that happens when your guy sits in the oval office means he is responsible. No excuses, right? I just hope voters remember.
I didn't vote Bush out of office. Anyways, see above. I don't blame Bush.

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Can you cite references to where Obama approved the operation of this specific rig? Thanks!
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Can you cite references to where Obama approved the operation of this specific rig? Thanks!
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Yet just three months later, Secretary Salazar allowed the MMS to approve — with no environmental review — the BP drilling operation that exploded on April 20, 2010, killing 11 workers and pouring millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. The disaster will soon be, if it is not already, the worst oil spill in American history.

BP submitted its drilling plan to the MMS on March 10, 2009. Rather than subject the plan to a detailed environmental review before approving it as required by the National Environmental Policy Act, the agency declared the plan to be “categorically excluded” from environmental analysis because it posed virtually no chance of harming the environment. As BP itself pointed out in its April 9, 2010, letter to the Council on Environmental Quality, categorical exclusions are only to be used when a project will have “minimal or nonexistent” environmental impacts.
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Barry approved of it, and bypassed environmental review. As the Left taught us so well - when your guy's butt polishes the chair behind the Resolute desk, your guy is 100% responsible for whatever happens on his watch.
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Who is Barry???

Reading your article, it would seem like the Sec of Interior Ken is at fault for not reviewing the rig. I don't think it is fair to directly blame Obama for it.

I don't think you can use a error filled way that the "Left" uses to justify your own error. Not everything bad that happened can be blamed on Bush just because he was the President. If you don't like that the "Left" does blame everything, what good is it to do it yourself? Just duplicating their folly is not actually calling out the hypocrisy. Rather it exacerbates the problem by joining in the blame game.
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Who is Barry???

Reading your article, it would seem like the Sec of Interior Ken is at fault for not reviewing the rig. I don't think it is fair to directly blame Obama for it.

I don't think you can use a error filled way that the "Left" uses to justify your own error. Not everything bad that happened can be blamed on Bush just because he was the President. If you don't like that the "Left" does blame everything, what good is it to do it yourself? Just duplicating their folly is not actually calling out the hypocrisy. Rather it exacerbates the problem by joining in the blame game.
Barry is Barry Soetero aka Barack Obama.

Whatever your feeling on the Left and with me holding Barry to the SAME standard of responsibility the left did with Bush, it needs to be that way or Barry just gets a free pass. We will have a skewered and uneven yardstick by which to measure Barry. No free passes for Barry - well, libs can't give him enough free passes, but he won't get any from rational Americans.

It's not just me blaming Barry and holding him accountable....he told us all to hold him accountable:

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Sounds very clear to me. Barry is responsible.
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IC. I guess we gotta give credit when things do go right too? I mean my water is running and street lights are working as well. And those oil rigs that haven't blown up and are not spewing oil. So praise Obama for that!
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IC. I guess we gotta give credit when things do go right too? I mean my water is running and street lights are working as well. And those oil rigs that haven't blown up and are not spewing oil. So praise Obama for that!
Barry invented water and said "Let there be light"?!?!?! I'm callin' the National Enquirer!!! My ship has finally come in!
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No free passes for Barry - well, libs can't give him enough free passes, but he won't get any from rational Americans.
Personally my profession requires to be extremely rational in the strictest sense of the word.

I don't know why you must constantly insinuate that anyone who has a different point of view from you own is an idiot.

By most peoples standards I would be liberal in many regards (not all). However, I can at least understand the argument/perspective of people who disagree with me and am glad to debate points of view. I at least acknowledge their argument as logical, because many are, even if I feel that there is a better way. I will even change my point of view if I am presented with what I feel to be a better way/argument. Civil debate is what democracy runs on. I feel that automatically labeling anyone from the other point of view as irrational is unjust, ignorant, and counterproductive.
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By the way Fenga, Obama visited the Gulf, specifically Venice, LA on May 2nd. Fox News was wrong about that.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=7417182

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Though I still say a President visiting is purely symbolic and really has little practical value.

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I don't care who did or didn't do what. I am appalled that this well is still pumping into our sea.

I think we should send the dems and reps down and stuff them in the pipe till it stops spewing. They are all idiots. The government should have nothing to do with fixing this, other than holding a gun to BP's head until they act in an appropriate matter.(So to speak) I don't know what the solution is, but the guys who ran this rig should, and I cannot believe that we can put a man on the moon, but we can't fix a broken pipe in the gulf?


Sooooo, Who is boycotting BP?
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personally my profession requires to be extremely rational in the strictest sense of the word.

I don't know why you must constantly insinuate that anyone who has a different point of view from you own is an idiot.

By most peoples standards i would be liberal in many regards (not all). However, i can at least understand the argument/perspective of people who disagree with me and am glad to debate points of view. I at least acknowledge their argument as logical, because many are, even if i feel that there is a better way. I will even change my point of view if i am presented with what i feel to be a better way/argument. Civil debate is what democracy runs on. i feel that automatically labeling anyone from the other point of view as irrational is unjust, ignorant, and counterproductive.
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By the way Fenga, Obama visited the Gulf, specifically Venice, LA on May 2nd. Fox News was wrong about that.

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Though I still say a President visiting is purely symbolic and really has little practical value.
Very true. Even though people know that the President can't actually fix the problem himself... the citizens just want to know that he's very aware of it and committed to helping to fix the problem... or at least connected with this economic and environmental disaster. I never bashed Bush for his tardy response to Katrina and I don't bash Obama for his tardy response to this disaster. It's so simple to blame someone that you despise than to blame a corporation, which is the one truly at fault.
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I don't care who did or didn't do what. I am appalled that this well is still pumping into our sea.

I think we should send the dems and reps down and stuff them in the pipe till it stops spewing. They are all idiots. The government should have nothing to do with fixing this, other than holding a gun to BP's head until they act in an appropriate matter.(So to speak) I don't know what the solution is, but the guys who ran this rig should, and I cannot believe that we can put a man on the moon, but we can't fix a broken pipe in the gulf?


Sooooo, Who is boycotting BP?
Boycotting BP won't fix anything. But criminally prosecuting the executive chain of command in all the private sector companies involved would...five years in the slammer for high-level execs...that might send the right message.
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Boycotting BP won't fix anything. But criminally prosecuting the executive chain of command in all the private sector companies involved would...five years in the slammer for high-level execs...that might send the right message.

Maybe so, but it is something that we, as the little people we are, CAN do. Jailtime is not enough for the people in charge of this debacle. Messages are not what we need. No one, including me, completely understands the magnitude of a disaster like this, as it has never happened before. I don't know how much they claim has spewed from that pipe, but who is to say it isn't 5x as much as they are telling us? I am pretty sure they have been lying about the whole thing from the start. That is what oil companies do.

So, Hakr, I am going to boycott BP. I hope that everyone else will do the same.
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I don't know why you must constantly insinuate that anyone who has a different point of view from you own is an idiot.
Key word there is "insinuate." That means it is your perception of what I post that offends you, and that is not my problem. Not trying to be a jerk, but obviously I have no control or responsibility for the impressions you take.

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Civil debate is what democracy runs on. I feel that automatically labeling anyone from the other point of view as irrational is unjust, ignorant, and counterproductive.
Whoa....wait....automatically labeling anyone is bad, then you went on and automatically labeled! I am dizzy.....

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By the way Fenga, Obama visited the Gulf, specifically Venice, LA on May 2nd. Fox News was wrong about that.

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I said it was symbolic myself earlier. On that visit, IIRC, Barry didn't see any oil (meaning damage to wildlife and the coast). That's like Bush showing up weeks before Katrina made landfall and saying everything was hunky-dory. But I'm glad the helicopter didn't make the push out to the actual oil spill due to high winds. Obama's safety is very important to all of us. (Barry should have just walked on the water, as I have heard he can do, to go to the actual site)

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OMG! You have found the magic bullet that defeats any argument by using only two letters with two periods!!!
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Actually you have, by using less emotive language when making your point(s). As the ReadMe states, "attack the message not the messenger".
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Actually you have, by using less emotive language when making your point(s). As the ReadMe states, "attack the message not the messenger".
I understand the point you are seeking to make, but if you are speaking of my use of the word "rational" then I disagree. That is not attacking anyone, and if someone gets too emotional over that simple word and their panties get bunched up, I am not responsible for their emotions. If that were the case then I could be held responsible if someone took such offense that they got drunk and decided to drive their car, crashing and harming innocent people.
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I understand the point you are seeking to make, but if you are speaking of my use of the word "rational" then I disagree.
Then you didn't understand. I'm talking about your posting style in general. The liberal use of sarcasm and condescention towards those with an opposing opinion, specifically. You conduct a more-than-adequate debate without them, and they serve only to undermine your arguments.
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Then you didn't understand. I'm talking about your posting style in general. The liberal use of sarcasm and condescention towards those with an opposing opinion, specifically. You conduct a more-than-adequate debate without them, and they serve only to undermine your arguments.
Sarcasm and/or condescension towards the opposition (as in Barry, libs in general) is a part of not just my style. I won't name at least one other member here that does so as well, and I have yet to see you call them out.
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