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Fragile Connections

I live in a little city in central Arizona. Going across town on my way home, I heard on the radio that the internet was dead in my area. I've been through outages before and although they're annoying, they usually only last a few minutes. But this time...

I get home and hear the problem was from a construction accident way down near Phoenix, where someone or something severed a fiber-optic cable which feeds points north, like me. I don't know much about how they work but do know those cables handle all the internet traffic from here to there, ultimately everywhere.

One would think that these things are repairable and routines already exist to repair a failed segment. Maybe they are, but the net has now been dead over two hours, calling 911 and who-knows-what doesn't work.

So our little city is starting to find out how dependent it has become on the internet. Right now, it's just an annoyance, but what if this goes on throughout the day, the week or the month? Innumerable businesses and services have come to rely on the net to stay afloat and, one by one, will eventually fail without it.

As I write this (because I have nothing better to do right now), electricity and landline phones still work, so if we can figure how we got along with just them, only ten, twenty years ago, we'll get by. But it's no stretch to say we'll never learn how to embrace regression. And if the net stays down, it's probably just a matter of time until those quaint technologies go down too. Then we'll be back in the old west, where there are no cars, no lights at night and horses will be very expensive.

And what’s more, this certainly seems like a slam dunk play for terrorists. If they're stupid enough that this has never occurred to them, it will soon enough. All they have to is find a working fiber-optic cable and cut it. I know that's true because some dingleberry just did that by accident.

But now, six hours later, I’m told it was on purpose, as in an act of vandalism!

And then they fixed it, just like that. Everything works just fine now, same as it ever was. So we can go on with our blind devotion to an essential technology we know nothing about, other than how to unlike your in-laws... fragile connections indeed.
 
Are things really that reliant on the internet?I mean I know we all use it and some businesses may use it for a lot of their work, but surely only a small number couldn't function without it?

I left my phone at home accidentally the other night and my only concern was that I have a lot of down time in my work where I'll pop on a video on my phone that and the issue of potentially breaking down when coming home at night(i finish at 10pm and travel on quiet country road by motorbike, plus it snowed :-D ) otherwise I survived and could do so again permanently if I had to.

I'd just imagine that terrorists have never thought to attack internet cables because it's only a minor irritable disruption, not full on shut down.

Of course I could be reading this wrongly and your just taking the urine?
 
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And today's news could be worse, depending how you look at it:

FCC Approves ‘Net Neutrality’ Plan to Control Internet Access

Internet service providers like Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile now must act in the “public interest” when providing a mobile connection to your home or phone, under rules approved Thursday by a divided Federal Communications Commission.
 
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Fragile Connections

I live in a little city in central Arizona. Going across town on my way home, I heard on the radio that the internet was dead in my area. I've been through outages before and although they're annoying, they usually only last a few minutes. But this time...

I get home and hear the problem was from a construction accident way down near Phoenix, where someone or something severed a fiber-optic cable which feeds points north, like me. I don't know much about how they work but do know those cables handle all the internet traffic from here to there, ultimately everywhere.

One would think that these things are repairable and routines already exist to repair a failed segment. Maybe they are, but the net has now been dead over two hours, calling 911 and who-knows-what doesn't work.


So our little city is starting to find out how dependent it has become on the internet. Right now, it's just an annoyance, but what if this goes on throughout the day, the week or the month? Innumerable businesses and services have come to rely on the net to stay afloat and, one by one, will eventually fail without it.

I think more businesses might have problems if they don't have electricity or water, rather than the internet. Sometimes HV power cables, water mains, etc. are damaged or cut, and they usually are repaired as soon as possible. In fact here many businesses are already provisioned for it, with portable generators and things.

If the business relies totally on the internet and nothing else, they could have difficulties without it, but then they won't do much without electricity either.

In fact I was working Gloucester, UK about 10 years ago, the main water pumping station went out due to a flood, and the whole city was without mains drinking water for almost a week. Bottled water and water trucks only. Most businesses closed, schools closed, and certainly all the restaurants and hotels were shut.
 
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I'll be the first to admit I'm rather cloudy in Net Neutrality, but I have noticed in my life that when something is going of its own accord and the guvment decides to take control of it, that thing always runs worse thereafter.
OK, without getting political, just the facts.

Comcast was caught inspecting customers' internet data, and if from video streaming services that they didn't make money on, were throttling the connections. This has zero to do with the hype going around about bandwidth hogs - they approached Netflix and said, if you want to compete with our pay TV services, you have to pay us a piece of your action. People had lost Netflix HD service in a lot of markets and it was all about Comcast acting monopolistically. The government was able to curtail part of the problem with fines for illegal packet sniffing but it hasn't stopped all of it.

Verizon has proposed a tiered networking service - not based on how much you use but on what services you will be allowed to access. Not based on bandwidth but on whether it was a service they offered - cheap - or a competitor - charge more. They tried to lobby the FCC behind closed doors for that one.

The FCC recognizes that cell service has become the only way a lot of lower income families can access the net. And access can mean better educational and job hunting information, according to statements by the past and present FCC chairman.

Internet providers are treated as common carriers and assumed by most users to be common carriers - but until now they really were not. No law has protected you from predatory business practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier#Telecommunications

When broadband introduction peaked in the dot com days, spam was on the rise and eventually accounted for more than 70% of the bandwidth used.

Last year in North America, that's how much was being used for just Netflix and YouTube.

^^ All facts publicly reported.

I would suggest that I'm still on the safe ground of fact and not opinion that the operational landscape has changed and what has worked before may not be able to continue working, or has even been working as the big companies look to monetize your network access further.

Net neutrality seeks to keep it fair and neutral without some Internet being better than others. That's the stated goal.

Whether you agree with net neutrality as the solution or not is a matter of your own opinion. OK if everyone wants to get political in the discussion, it's no big deal to move the thread to the PCA. Or keep this one about your original intent and discuss the politics in a parallel thread. We just dig people discussing things! :)
 
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My bad, just prattling on. Go ahead and transplant the last few posts if that's the right thing to do.
Nothing yet needs to move, off topic though they may be. If you would like a dicussion about the topic, feel free to start a new thread. I'm inclined to leave the posts in here as is like a no trespassing sign in the woods.;)
 
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And today's news could be worse, depending how you look at it:

FCC Approves ‘Net Neutrality’ Plan to Control Internet Access

Internet service providers like Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile now must act in the “public interest” when providing a mobile connection to your home or phone, under rules approved Thursday by a divided Federal Communications Commission.
Well, breitbart dot com has one useful purpose at least: getting a good laugh from the idiots posting in the comments section. :rolleyes:
 
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Okay, back on the original topic, the latest news is that the cable was definitely cut on purpose, but they still have no idea why or by who. Even if it was just vandalism, that's just a kid's version of terrorism, so what's the difference. Seems like an awfully peculiar form of vandalism.

a no trespassing sign in the woods.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep.
 
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Okay, back on the original topic, the latest news is that the cable was definitely cut on purpose, but they still have no idea why or by who. Even if it was just vandalism, that's just a kid's version of terrorism, so what's the difference. Seems like an awfully peculiar form of vandalism.



The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep.
Hope they do cut the Telefon connection! ;) :)

Hard to say with vandals or (PCA alert) worse threats.

Target of opportunity and they didn't know what they were cutting, they were just sticking it to the man?

Or, script kiddies gone wild, unable to really launch a software threat, resorting to bolt cutters?

Disgruntled employee, like San Francisco had some years back (but with mainframe access)?

The criminal mind makes no sense to me.

:dontknow:

(I miss the old emoticons lol.)
 
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Fragile Connections

I live in a little city in central Arizona. Going across town on my way home, I heard on the radio that the internet was dead in my area. I've been through outages before and although they're annoying, they usually only last a few minutes. But this time...

I get home and hear the problem was from a construction accident way down near Phoenix, where someone or something severed a fiber-optic cable which feeds points north, like me. I don't know much about how they work but do know those cables handle all the internet traffic from here to there, ultimately everywhere.

One would think that these things are repairable and routines already exist to repair a failed segment. Maybe they are, but the net has now been dead over two hours, calling 911 and who-knows-what doesn't work.

So our little city is starting to find out how dependent it has become on the internet. Right now, it's just an annoyance, but what if this goes on throughout the day, the week or the month? Innumerable businesses and services have come to rely on the net to stay afloat and, one by one, will eventually fail without it.

As I write this (because I have nothing better to do right now), electricity and landline phones still work, so if we can figure how we got along with just them, only ten, twenty years ago, we'll get by. But it's no stretch to say we'll never learn how to embrace regression. And if the net stays down, it's probably just a matter of time until those quaint technologies go down too. Then we'll be back in the old west, where there are no cars, no lights at night and horses will be very expensive.

And what’s more, this certainly seems like a slam dunk play for terrorists. If they're stupid enough that this has never occurred to them, it will soon enough. All they have to is find a working fiber-optic cable and cut it. I know that's true because some dingleberry just did that by accident.

But now, six hours later, I’m told it was on purpose, as in an act of vandalism!

And then they fixed it, just like that. Everything works just fine now, same as it ever was. So we can go on with our blind devotion to an essential technology we know nothing about, other than how to unlike your in-laws... fragile connections indeed.

I lived in Mesa, AZ for 20 years, worked for City of Phoenix Fire Department most of that time and retired from COP. Was curious as to where the OP lives? Whittenburg?

The internet has become a defacto "for granted" utility that is extremely important to a lot of us. To others, it is a distraction only, or they don't even have a computer or smartphone. I have several friends with flip phones who refuse to get anything else. Not only that, they turn it off the minute we get off work and they are not subject to call.... then they get on their horses and start working their cattle, or on the tractor and bringing in the hay for winter forage for same cattle.

Yes, I'm in a rural area, farms with lots of cows and a herd of horses to take care of them.... but some of those farmers/ranchers are modern in that they have $20,000 ATV quads to look in on the cows.... Horses are too slow, and can't pull a trailer with a big rolled up "bail" of hay on it.

But, back to the internet..... if it went down, I would have to pull out a book (my Kindle ereader) as I can no longer see the fine print in hardback or paperback books... I need fonts that are 1/4 inch high now... oh, I can still see 20-20 "out there" but closer than 4 feet, uh it is a blur.

Or, instead of the book, if it is warm enough, I think I will just go riding.
On my new horsey.... I'm still a youngster ya know, only 72 candles on my cake come next Saturday.... :)

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Are things really that reliant on the internet?I mean I know we all use it and some businesses may use it for a lot of their work, but surely only a small number couldn't function without it?

I left my phone at home accidentally the other night and my only concern was that I have a lot of down time in my work where I'll pop on a video on my phone that and the issue of potentially breaking down when coming home at night(i finish at 10pm and travel on quiet country road by motorbike, plus it snowed :-D ) otherwise I survived and could do so again permanently if I had to.

I'd just imagine that terrorists have never thought to attack internet cables because it's only a minor irritable disruption, not full on shut down.

Of course I could be reading this wrongly and your just taking the urine?
I think the internet going down can be a big deal, more than a nuisance in the short term because a lot of businesses can't even sell you anything if the cash registers aren't connected to the internet (just as an example). Longer term, people are resourceful, especially when they are losing money. Checking out via calculator and other analog workarounds would happen quickly.
 
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What he said. Seems to me that whoever cut it knew what they were cutting, otherwise why'd they shimmy down into that crawl space?
Because the fact that they knew to crawl down into that space implies that they "used to be" an employee who is now somewhat disgruntled.

If it had been a Backhoe digging a trench, it would have been 'accidental' and the operator/owner would be subject to a violation of the rules when digging in the vicinity of Public Utilities in Arizona.... you are required to dial up the Notification number (I forget it now) and ask for BlueStake to come and out mark all known utilities in that area.

http://www.azbluestake.com/

http://www.azcc.gov/divisions/utilities/gas/bluestake-faqs.asp

What is "Blue Staking?"
Blue Staking is the act of marking underground facilities such as electric, gas, water, telephone, cable or other underground facilities so that these networks are not damaged during excavation, trenching or digging activities. It is a state law that all underground facilities must be marked prior to excavation, trenching or other digging. The law is sometimes referred to as the Underground Facilities Law or, simply, the Blue Stake Law. (ARS Chapter 2, Article 6.3, Sections 40-360.21 through 40-360.32.)
 
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Okay, back on the original topic, the latest news is that the cable was definitely cut on purpose, but they still have no idea why or by who. Even if it was just vandalism, that's just a kid's version of terrorism, so what's the difference. Seems like an awfully peculiar form of vandalism.



The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep.

Attempted theft possibly. Happens sometimes, try to steal the cables thinking they're copper, which telephone cables always were. Fibre cables are glass with mostly plastic, which is worth nothing to them, but they can't tell what it is until they cut it. In the UK, until quite recently man-holes, roadside cabinets and other outdoor plant were not securely locked, and telephone cable theft could be a problem sometimes.
 
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Reminds me of the time they were replacing the underground telephone lines in my neighborhood growing up. They messed up their trench and took out the power to the area. It was down for the rest of the day. Damn morons. Fortunately we had a generator at home.

Vandals and copper thieves need to be stretched out on crosses and left at the side of the road where they were caught as a warning to others.
 
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Now I hear the whoevers are not vandals or terrorists, but common criminals that may have been looking for copper wire, a popular theft target, but it's all still spekulatin...

No, they were NOT looking for metal wire/cables.

those are fiber cables, and useless to a jerk wanting to make money off of scrap.

I read the news stories and gained enough info to make a reasonable determination of what went on. First, I used to live in that immediate area, and rode my motorcycles all over that country. where the cable is buried is well off of any beaten path, and for someone to know how to find that cable manhole, would be someone with a grudge and knowledge of the cable route.

that spells employees that have been discharged, or a contractor with a grudge. Either way, they will be found and get a chance to spend a day in court.

This occurred just north of New River, Arizona. There is a very good cafe there on the road to New River, just about a 1/4 mile from the I-17 (route to Flagstaff, AZ) off ramp. Have eaten more lunches there than I can count.
 
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