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Old February 11th, 2010, 01:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The Rogers Magic 2.1 Thread < UPDATE FROM ROGERSMARY 05/26/10

Yeah, I know it will be a while, but I thought we could get a head start.

For example, according to this article HTC Hero Gets 2.1 Too! | Android Phone Fans the HTC HERO should be getting 2.1 in March!

Since the Hero hardware is apparently very similar (the same?) as the Magic, might we see 2.1 here around the same time, or possibly soon after? This is NOT the same 2.1 update that the US will get, I think this is European?

And obviously this means the Hero can run 2.1, so will Telus Hero owners get 2.1 as well?

Interesting. Very interesting.

Let the speculation begin!

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I'm willing to bet they will polish off the other hero roms and then port them to our magics so I would think we won't get ours until later (april-june?). I would be happy to wait even longer if it means we can get flash 10.1. Mary hasn't responded to my other thread about flash and I'm thinking she's not going to.
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I like the simple way that sense links twitter, Flickr & Facebook into contacts, would like to see more options there with the new update. Are you listening HTC? Also would like to see an integrated HTC Facebook app/widget something like peep.

I know, I know..... there are better Twitter apps, I have a couple, but I find myself using peep quite often. Maybe HTC could add a setting to the home screen widgets that would allow users to select app to use with it.

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I like the simple way that sense links twitter, Flickr & Facebook into contacts, would like to see more options there with the new update. Are you listening HTC? Also would like to see an integrated HTC Facebook app/widget something like peep.

I know, I know..... there are better Twitter apps, I have a couple, but I find myself using peep quite often. Maybe HTC could add a setting to the home screen widgets that would allow users to select app to use with it.

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I want to see "Google Search by Voice" integrated into the 2.1 release. I gather that this hasn't been included with Roger's previous builds due to incomplete support for both official languages (Google's issue, apparently). I have installed this app on the recent Rogers Android 1.5 update (with HTC Sense UI) on my HTC Magic following these instructions:

ATTN: Voice Dialer/Search now missing after 911bugfix update!
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I want to see "Google Search by Voice" integrated into the 2.1 release. I gather that this hasn't been included with Roger's previous builds due to incomplete support for both official languages (Google's issue, apparently). I have installed this app on the recent Rogers Android 1.5 update (with HTC Sense UI) on my HTC Magic following these instructions:

ATTN: Voice Dialer/Search now missing after 911bugfix update!
Well, on my non-rooted, non-updated phone I can use "Voice Dialer" to search for contacts and applications, so it's not universal search, per se but it does do limited voice search of the phone.
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Well, on my non-rooted, non-updated phone I can use "Voice Dialer" to search for contacts and applications, so it's not universal search, per se but it does do limited voice search of the phone.
I was a fan of the Voice Dialer on the previous ROM as well. As it was not included in the update, I'm using TopVoiceControl as a replacement, It is similar, but with a few customizations ...

"Google Search by Voice" is a different product. It integrates voice control with the Google search engine. or example, you can say "find pizza" and all the pizza vendors near you will be displayed in Google search results. Read more at: Official Google Mobile Blog: Search with your voice on Android

For now, you can install the install the Google Search by Voice APK manually. After installation, if you delete the Google Search widget from your "home screen", then replace the widget again, you'll be able to see the microphone button right next to the search box and the search button.

It would be great if "Google Search by Voice" were included in the pending Roger/HTC Android 2.1 release.
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a lil self promo but a vid on sense 2.1 running

New HTC Sense 2.1 Shown with Multitouch Home Screen on Video | AndroidHeadlines.com
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i find sense laggy now,it was great at first but their are much better apps then the ones sense ui provides...over all i recreated my own UI from apps that i found ran much smother and less buggy.

on the other hand sense ui is very dummy proof and for most people that don't take time to play with apps is has good range of stuff to keep most users happy.
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Sweet , thanks for the link to the "Google search by voice " application . I wasn't even aware of it before I did the upgrade/downgrade to the sense UI .
It's working good I love it .
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Sweet , thanks for the link to the "Google search by voice " application . I wasn't even aware of it before I did the upgrade/downgrade to the sense UI .
It's working good I love it .
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I was a fan of the Voice Dialer on the previous ROM as well. As it was not included in the update, I'm using TopVoiceControl as a replacement, It is similar, but with a few customizations ...

"Google Search by Voice" is a different product. It integrates voice control with the Google search engine. or example, you can say "find pizza" and all the pizza vendors near you will be displayed in Google search results. Read more at: Official Google Mobile Blog: Search with your voice on Android

For now, you can install the install the Google Search by Voice APK manually. After installation, if you delete the Google Search widget from your "home screen", then replace the widget again, you'll be able to see the microphone button right next to the search box and the search button.

It would be great if "Google Search by Voice" were included in the pending Roger/HTC Android 2.1 release.
When I click on the link that you supplied above for the Google Search by Voice APK I am prompted to save a .zip file. What are the steps for copying this onto my Magic? I have copies straight .apk files before but don't know what to do with the .zip file.

Any help would be appreciated!

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When I click on the link that you supplied above for the Google Search by Voice APK I am prompted to save a .zip file. What are the steps for copying this onto my Magic? I have copies straight .apk files before but don't know what to do with the .zip file.

Any help would be appreciated!

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Just tried it and its a .apk for me. Can you unzip the .zip you get to get the .apk back?
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I used the browser on my actual magic downloaded the file that way , just did the same to my girlfriends magic and its working too
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it was a zip file the other day looks like the link is fixed its now an .apk file
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it was a zip file the other day looks like the link is fixed its now an .apk file
Can you forward the link you used? I must be something wrong as the link always gets me to the .zip file directly...

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Should I rename this thread to the "Google search by voice .apk discussion" thread?

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Can you forward the link you used? I must be something wrong as the link always gets me to the .zip file directly...

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Try renaming the .zip to .Apk. could be your web browser causing it to be renamed.
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Personally I hate Sense UI and would love to be able to remove it in any future updates which HTC provides. I much prefer the OOTB Home Screen and would stick to that as much as possible.

With the recent update from HTC / Rogers to provide Sense UI on Magic, I've noticed it being a much heavier app with all these integrations resulting in a drastic drain in battery life.

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I want to see "Google Search by Voice" integrated into the 2.1 release. I gather that this hasn't been included with Roger's previous builds due to incomplete support for both official languages (Google's issue, apparently). I have installed this app on the recent Rogers Android 1.5 update (with HTC Sense UI) on my HTC Magic following these instructions:

ATTN: Voice Dialer/Search now missing after 911bugfix update!
I'd love to see this incorporated. As a suggestion, MJSchmidt, GBD and myself are working on a presentation for Rogers and would love it if you guys (android community/users) can provide a list of things that you would like to see available as part of the Android 2.1 update for the Magic.

We can take this and include it as part of our presentation to Rogers. Just a thought!

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Try renaming the .zip to .Apk. could be your web browser causing it to be renamed.
Thanks for all the help!! Went to the link when I got home from work and this time it was linked to the .apk file. So maybe it was my work network changing it to a .zip file...
Installed and works great!!
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Thanks for all the help!! Went to the link when I got home from work and this time it was linked to the .apk file. So maybe it was my work network changing it to a .zip file...
Installed and works great!!
Perhaps some media type extensions got screwed up? APK files are actually in ZIP format - essentially they are a specialized JAR file.
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back to takin about 2.1 does any one have a ruff idea when its comin out
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back to takin about 2.1 does any one have a ruff idea when its comin out
Rogers is still waiting for the HTC 2.1 mid year update so unless RogersMary has left any news i did not see.. we are looking for the month of june-july.


EDIT: Well that's just great... Apple suing HTC over 20 patents.. looks like we may have to face delay on the 2.1 update.

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APPLE!! HAHAHAHA what a Joke..

Did you see the Patents... its so Lame its like if Apple made toilet paper they would have a Patent for the way you wipe your A$$..

Their patents are bogus. This is why I hate the Iphone to much control... Apple is just upset that android is going to be selling more phones then them down the road.. It will not delay the update.
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i find all that is bullsh!t just because android outperforms apple it goes nuts well they can suck my right nut
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APPLE!! HAHAHAHA what a Joke..

Did you see the Patents... its so Lame its like if Apple made toilet paper they would have a Patent for the way you wipe your A$$..

Their patents are bogus. This is why I hate the Iphone to much control... Apple is just upset that android is going to be selling more phones then them down the road.. It will not delay the update.
Some are some are not. Some are very clear and detailed like the slide unlocker and proximity sensor auto-answer. The base of the problem is always the same the US patent system is broken. Many patent issued by companies are made very very very broad for most of them just to make sure they have grounds to sue any competitiors that use similar functions.

All in all it will slow down some development from HTC, will take out money of their pocket and will eventually be shifted to suing the Google Android OS functionalities.
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the slide lock is completely different compared to iphone, everythin in the OS of android is different.
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Not Ture. Apple has nothing with this... that would be like saying to the tire companys wait my tire is black so is your... I better sue you... what a joke.. Apple is just wasting other peoples time..

Like I said if Apple made toilet paper they would have a Patent for the way you wipe your A$$..
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Has anyone else noticed the check for updates option under Settings | About Phone | System Software Updates?

Just wondering if that was there before sense/911 fix and if that means 2.1 will be OTA hopefully!
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Like I said if Apple made toilet paper they would have a Patent for the way you wipe your A$$..
And base on that analogy they could sue you if you offer a toilet paper brand and use a similar pattern to wipe. Would it be ludicrous .. of course it would. Would it be a waste of time and money to sue anyone based on that patent infringement... you bet. But legaly talking they are in their rights to sue because some pencil pusher received this broad and ludicrous patent request and approved it. Would it blow in court and be dropped... probably but not before the requesting party takes time and money from it's competitor to hurt them just because they can do so based on a broken extortion patent.

The current pattent system it not meant to protect your ideas.. it is made to protect your market and bully the competitor into paying royalties.
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Has anyone else noticed the check for updates option under Settings | About Phone | System Software Updates?

Just wondering if that was there before sense/911 fix and if that means 2.1 will be OTA hopefully!
No it has been included in the Sense/911 patch image. There is no information regarding OTA from Rogers for the next release. Not even sure if the current architecture supports massive OTA upload to users.
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No it has been included in the Sense/911 patch image. There is no information regarding OTA from Rogers for the next release. Not even sure if the current architecture supports massive OTA upload to users.
It was mentioned when this ROM came out that the 2.1 update would be provided OTA. I believe is was RogersMary who said it.
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It was mentioned when this ROM came out that the 2.1 update would be provided OTA. I believe is was RogersMary who said it.
Most likely as the sense ui update included an OTA client within the update
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We are getting close to "Mid-Year 2010"... has anyone heard any rumors about a release date for us?

Lots of other equally spec'd HTC phones are getting 2.1 lately, so maybe we are not too far behind.
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2.1 target is june. Still no exact date
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So do you think the Magic will stop at 2.1 of shall we dare hope for 2.2?
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From what I understand, 2.2 is leaner and WAY faster than 2.1. If that's the case, I can't see any reason why we can't get 2.2.

Whether or not we actually get it will depend entirely on HTC and Rogers... which doesn't make me hopeful even a little.

Having said that, CM 5.0.7 is apparently getting faster and faster even on our devices (last I played with was test 3, so I don't know for myself). If Cyanogen decides to sink his teeth into 2.2, we could end up with pretty incredible ROM.
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I have asked RogersMary repeatedly for an official announcement from Rogers that HTC is on track to deliver 2.1 by end of June, and so far she has not done so. I will try again.
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I only care about when HTC releases 2.1 for the Magic. Or do we have to wait for providers to get them? Either way we'll get an even better 2.1 but so far it is pretty good already.
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I only care about when HTC releases 2.1 for the Magic. Or do we have to wait for providers to get them? Either way we'll get an even better 2.1 but so far it is pretty good already.
We won't get a real rock solid 2.1 from the cookers until we get the Roger update. Their is currently no leak Sapphire 2.1 build with the legit HTC drivers in it. All the 2.1 are from Droid, Legend or Hero version.
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I have asked RogersMary repeatedly for an official announcement from Rogers that HTC is on track to deliver 2.1 by end of June, and so far she has not done so. I will try again.
Did you manage to get a come back from Mary ?
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I never heard back either from their official channel. So while I'm still able to connect and not be crippled by lack of rom choices from 3rd party I won't worry about it anymore. The moment this changes I'll jump providers without hesitation. It is much too late now, I'll never do contracts or any of their phones or firmwares. Their marketing, announcements, services, none of matters any more. They are an ISP and for now they do that just barely good enough.
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I never heard back either from their official channel. So while I'm still able to connect and not be crippled by lack of rom choices from 3rd party I won't worry about it anymore. The moment this changes I'll jump providers without hesitation. It is much too late now, I'll never do contracts or any of their phones or firmwares. Their marketing, announcements, services, none of matters any more. They are an ISP and for now they do that just barely good enough.

Me too. I finally got my Nexus and I'm pretty sure I'll get the updates as soon as they come out without waiting for HTC and Rogers to fool around for months or in the case of the Magic, a year.
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Okay, y'all, we finally got an official response from RogersMary, and I am afraid it is not _exactly_ what we wanted to hear.

Mary officially confirmed that HTC is on track to deliver the Magic 2.1 update to Rogers by end of June of this year. Then Rogers will be testing it before releasing it to us. She won't say how long that will take, only that they want to be sure it will work on their network, and our phones.

Here is her email:

"You've been asking when the 2.1 OS upgrade for HTC Magic+ will be available and I want to ensure you that this is a very high priority for us. Rogers made a commitment to the Android community to deliver the best possible customer experience for their Android device and so we have been working closely with HTC to make certain we're on track for a mid-year release. As of today, HTC has committed to providing us the Magic+ upgrade by end of June. Once we've received the upgrade, we will thoroughly test it and make it available to the customer as quickly as possible."

I pointed out in my reply to her that this will NOT make us happy, since we were led to believe we would be getting the update by end of June, but now we will have to wait longer. I asked for an update on how long it will take for Rogers to test. Here is her reply:

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In terms of how long our testing will take, I can't say for sure but when I do have a solid customer release date I'll share that as well. I'm not a testing expert but I do know the priority is to ensure it provides an optimal customer experience. Once we receive the update, I'll check in with Dan to see how it's going."

So, more non-answers. Feel free to bug the Rogers team on Twitter until they give us a better answer.

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OFeel free to bug the Rogers team on Twitter until they give us a better answer.
Gee, thanks

As much as I love to hear from all of you via Twitter, I'm also reading comments on this forum.

Believe me, I know how much you're all anticipating the 2.1 OS upgrade for Magic+ and I will keep you updated with information as it becomes available to me.
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I'm not very interested in the rogers 2.1 since I've been running 2.1 for a while and now that it is stable I'm running it full time. Not sure what has to be tested and how long that takes since the devels and users move a whole lot faster. 2.2 should be stable by the time rogers sees 2.2 if ever.

My continued concern is the radio scanner and potential data cut off. Time to kill that system or at minimum scan *only* for the known vulnerable radios instead of killing everything other than your official version. I'm allowed to bring my own phone but when you cut my data I'm very unhappy. I've said it many times and it falls on deaf ears without any explanation. waivers are not an option. scan only for vulnerable versions. why is that so hard?
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Owners of the Samsung Behold II in the US are about to sue because there were promised Android 2.0 and Samsung reneged on it.

Samsung Behold II Owners May Sue Over Android 2.0 Snub


Pay attention, Rogers, we're not the only Android users who take this seriously. Manufacturers and Carriers need to get on board with the idea of OS updates.
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To me the rogers testing is a crap lie. all they are goin to do is put a bunch of limiters and the stupid rogers logos, icons every where. The biggest thing is slow the shit out of the rom. To me i have the htc dream 1.6 rooted and magic 1.5 sense UI. Im loving the speed of the new superD rom im running on the dream. Its so freaking fast compared to my magic stuck on 1.5 sense UI.
Im just hope ROGERS doesnt screw up the Rom and put stupid sniffing programs.
After i wanna compare my dream superD rom 1.6 compared to the magic 2.1 rom
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