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Old December 7th, 2010, 10:29 AM   #51 (permalink)
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@ northernale1

>>> got a live person

You sure? The next time you call, ask the representative what day of the week it is. The reply will either be: "That's the first I've heard of this problem" or "Have you tried a factory reset?" or "I have no idea about an update. Keep checking the Web site."


>>> she said she had no idea about update if or when and for me to keep checking the website

See!!!


>>> was on with a manager and i was informed that Rogers and Bell customers will recieve update middle of december

Nothing new. Last month, on its Facebook page, Samsung confirmed that the Android 2.2 update will be delivered to the Bell Vibrant and Rogers Captivate in mid-December.


>>> then i questioned about being 2 FWs behind and future updates past 2.2 , the reply was there is no formal announcement as of yet,,

Script.


>>> but after all carriers have 2.2 out,, there is a announcement prepared

Announcement: "All carriers have 2.2 out."


>>> and also said that this phone is not a short term project

Duh!


>>> so i found samsung canada to be very forth comming and helpful

Hmmm. My expectations are a tad higher.

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there you go ,, maybe thats your issue,,

i found them straight forward,,

so im very satissfied with samsung so far,, and been 15yrs with rogers mobile,, not one regret,,

so im totally fine with knowing that we will be getting future updates,,

so DUH that
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>>> so DUH that

Gimme a kiss .

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Speaking of conjecture (originally found at xda):

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hug maybe,, but no kisses,,,,
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OT for a sec, but I really do like Canadians. I've found them - for the most part - to be gentle souls. Whenever I've had the opportunity to interact with Canadians I've found them to be professional and courteous. Good eggs.

Now back to our regularly-scheduled helping hand, periodically intermingled with frivolous bickering and pure nonsense.
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Well, for what it's worth, there's now a page on the Captivate FAQ:

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This just in today:

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By the way....is the nexus s for a certain carrier?
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T-Mobile, and open (full price), IIRC, are your choices.
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By the way....is the nexus s for a certain carrier?

After December 16, Nexus S will be sold unlocked and carrier-independent initially through Best Buy stores in the U.S. and after December 20 at Carphone Warehouse stores in the UK. Also available on T-mobile for a new 2 year contract for $199.
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Sure, Gingerbread could theoretically make it on the Galaxy S phones this month. Unfortunately for us, the Nexus S has STOCK Gingerbread. We can be damn sure no US carrier will allow stock android on their phones. I'd be lucky if my AT&T Captivate gets Gingerbread next December.
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After December 16, Nexus S will be sold unlocked and carrier-independent initially through Best Buy stores in the U.S. and after December 20 at Carphone Warehouse stores in the UK. Also available on T-mobile for a new 2 year contract for $199.

thought about it and going to pass. No sd slot cripples the phone memory upgrade!
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first post ;]. Samsung has made it super easy to install 2.2 on captivate device if your that worried about it just install it yourself. You'll get the wireless ap setting too so you can wifi tether other devices (up to 5) via ad hoc. They even have a one click root for 2.2 captivate already out as well. I can't wait to flash to 2.3. btw first time rooting a device was yesterday i bricked 3 times but managed to easily recover each time i heard if you had a weird device it can get perma bricked check out all the info on this site before attempting happy days ;]
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I have been dwelling on this and I have a strange feeling that since our devices and the nexus S are so similar that we will be able to flash the vanilla 2.3 rom within a few days of release o_o
Partly because samsung sucks and google probably did all the work, so they probably fixed all the problems and just make it work on the hardware
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And good luck finding a custom rom that works half way decent. Yeah, good luck with that. Great rom, too bad my bluetooth is flaky, my wifi works only half the time and I get an SOD every day.
I've been running Cognition 2.1 beta release 5 since it came out in early Oct. Its been rock solid for me for a couple of months now. The Wifi has always worked great when I couldn't even connect to my work wifi before I upgraded due to Eclair bugs. My bluetooth works great as well, I can even start a phone call with my headset button using Vlingo. The GPS works about the same as it did before the update.

I haven't bothered to upgrade further because I've been busy and I haven't needed to. My phone with Cognition is just plain better and more stable than it was with stock Eclair.
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Consider yourself lucky. Some of us cannot get any ROM to work right- that includes stock 2.1. lol
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I've been running Cognition 2.1 beta release 5 since it came out in early Oct. Its been rock solid for me for a couple of months now. The Wifi has always worked great when I couldn't even connect to my work wifi before I upgraded due to Eclair bugs. My bluetooth works great as well, I can even start a phone call with my headset button using Vlingo. The GPS works about the same as it did before the update.

I haven't bothered to upgrade further because I've been busy and I haven't needed to. My phone with Cognition is just plain better and more stable than it was with stock Eclair.
It works for everyone I've talked to, and the people on the IRC are extremely helpful with any problems you have for the Cognition ROM. I have it currently and I have experienced zero problems with it, it just feels like I have Froyo and there doesn't seem to be a reason to not upgrade to this version and take a few minutes so that we can all have Froyo =D
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I have been dwelling on this and I have a strange feeling that since our devices and the nexus S are so similar that we will be able to flash the vanilla 2.3 rom within a few days of release o_o
Partly because samsung sucks and google probably did all the work, so they probably fixed all the problems and just make it work on the hardware
I hope this is the case, but I feel it won't be that simple.
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Even if it isn't we will surely get custom roms with 2.3
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I have my fingers crossed that we get gingerbread before christmas. Just got my Captivate a week ago after switching from my 3GS.
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By the way....is the nexus s for a certain carrier?
Yes and no. Nexus S will be sold unlocked but unfortunately at&t uses different frequencies for its HSDPA 3G network than T-Mobile. So while you can use this version of the nexus S on at&t, you won't have 3G.
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That sucks. I'm still probably going to get it after it is out a few months. Its to sexy to not have. Plus I think the Nexus S is just the way the Captivate and Fascinate SHOULD have been made.
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at&t uses 850 and 1900MHz bands for HSDPA. Nexus S is compatible with 900, 1700 and 2100MHz bands. TMo uses 1700 and 2100MHz bands.

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Sounds like we'll have to depend on the Devs for a 2.3 port.

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for sure i this will be my last samsung cellphone. I hope they know that this is only hurting their mobile phone market!
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for sure i this will be my last samsung cellphone. I hope they know that this is only hurting their mobile phone market!
First and last for me. HTC Android devices have been getting my attention.
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i dont even get how that STORY tells you 2.3 wont be coming?????!!!!!!
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i dont even get how that STORY tells you 2.3 wont be coming?????!!!!!!

Because the reply is so convoluted that it implies that they have no intention of doing so. They've obviously been working on 2.3 with the Nexus S for some time now. By doing so, they already know whether or not it would be portable to Galaxy S. If for some wild reason, there isn't a single employee at Samsung that would know whether or not Galaxy S can support 2.3, it should take hours for someone to do the research and find out. The response tells me that they have thought about it and have no intentions to make 2.3 available to Galaxy S users. They are already making excuses on why the update can't be made available.

“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation:
1. the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products
The effect would be a great consumer response due to a great product.
2. the system requirements,
Same processor and RAM.
3. the structural limitations
The Galaxy S is not made of radioactive or explosive materials; it should be ok.
4. and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
Um, isn't that one of the benefits of using an open source OS. What do they need from "component suppliers"? Shifting the blame to other companies, nice. Samsung, you're a joke.

Sounds much too like the template replies the dished out when they were "optimizing" the GPS with an update. They did send an update in September, but it didn't fix the GPS. Samsung is a bullshit company.

“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
“If Samsung decides to make the Update available to the users after such consideration, Samsung will use its efforts to develop such Update, which may be released to the users upon successful completion of such development”.


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i got my captivate in november,, gps works fine

doesnt sound like a no to me,,, after reading it over and over again,,,
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It's a non-answer is what it is. Isn't even worth the breath to say. That reply acknowledged that a question had been asked and proceeded to state the obvious things any company would consider, I guess they failed to comprehend that questions require one to actually think and answer rather than just speculate on the chance of thinking let alone an answer. I find the "answer" humorous, in a bad way, like a politicians "answer".
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It's a non-answer is what it is. Isn't even worth the breath to say. That reply acknowledged that a question had been asked and proceeded to state the obvious things any company would consider, I guess they failed to comprehend that questions require one to actually think and answer rather than just speculate on the chance of thinking let alone an answer. I find the "answer" humorous, in a bad way, like a politicians "answer".

totally agree with the politician comment,,
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Because the reply is so convoluted that it implies that they have no intention of doing so. They've obviously been working on 2.3 with the Nexus S for some time now. By doing so, they already know whether or not it would be portable to Galaxy S. If for some wild reason, there isn't a single employee at Samsung that would know whether or not Galaxy S can support 2.3, it should take hours for someone to do the research and find out. The response tells me that they have thought about it and have no intentions to make 2.3 available to Galaxy S users. They are already making excuses on why the update can't be made available.

“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation:
1. the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products
The effect would be a great consumer response due to a great product.
2. the system requirements,
Same processor and RAM.
3. the structural limitations
The Galaxy S is not made of radioactive or explosive materials; it should be ok.
4. and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
Um, isn't that one of the benefits of using an open source OS. What do they need from "component suppliers"? Shifting the blame to other companies, nice. Samsung, you're a joke.

Sounds much too like the template replies the dished out when they were "optimizing" the GPS with an update. They did send an update in September, but it didn't fix the GPS. Samsung is a bullshit company.

“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
“If Samsung decides to make the Update available to the users after such consideration, Samsung will use its efforts to develop such Update, which may be released to the users upon successful completion of such development”.


I actually agree with you, this is just giving them a legal way out of the update.
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I actually agree with you, this is just giving them a legal way out of the update.
Thanks for agreeing, but I don't get your statement.

Are you saying that it would be illegal to NOT provide us an update? I don't think it's an issue of legality, rather an issue of customer service and customer loyalty.
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Thanks for agreeing, but I don't get your statement.

Are you saying that it would be illegal to NOT provide us an update? I don't think it's an issue of legality, rather an issue of customer service and customer loyalty.
Not an issue of legal responsibility, but a way of preventing any kind of legal recourse (such as there was/is talk of over Froyo) over any kind of lack of further support. As Endoran said, this is a non-answer in terms of teh question they were asked, but that doesn't mean that it is not making a statement. Instead of saying something like HTC's "we are looking into it, and will update what we can" Samsung has chosen to give this bit of legalese (probably direct from the law/policy office desk) saying basically that updating is their option when and how it works for them, and that if an update does not seem to be beneficial to them, they will not work toward it. That is a far cry from the claims of long-term support we heard back in the summer at the Galaxy S launch event and interviews. This is providing an updated official statement for the record that they expect to be held accountable to (because it is entirely in their favor), and no one would be able to complain about not receiving Gingerbread+ because it simply could be considered "not feasible" and that would be the end of it. Without this vague legalese it could have been argued that Gingerbread+ updates would have fallen under "long-term support" claims, but now they have allowed themselves a way of declining updates.
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Let me lay down some facts and you can make your own predictions:

1. Android is owned and developed by Google.
2. Google and samsung have worked on a phone together. (Nexus S)
3. The nexus s is almost identical to the galaxy s portfolio.
4. The nexus s will be pre installed with Android GingerBread 2.3.
5. Also, the nexus s is set to be release Dec. 16th in US.
6. Samsung said at a press conference that their Galaxy S portfolio would receive an update in mid December.

Now let me lay down some thing I have noticed. (not known facts)

1. Samsung probably had Gingerbread for quite some time now.
2. If Google and Samsung worked together, they probably have a deal that their phones would get gingerbread first.
3. Samsung has pushed froyo back and back and probably realized to just skip it since they had gingerbread working already.
4. Samsung is the top android dealer and it would be in their best interest to push out gingerbread first.
5. Samsung never said what update we would receive, only that we would in the near future.

So there, make your own conclusions. I personally think it would be better if we saw gingerbread first.
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Let me lay down some facts and you can make your own predictions:

1. Android is owned and developed by Google.
2. Google and samsung have worked on a phone together. (Nexus S)
3. The nexus s is almost identical to the galaxy s portfolio.
4. The nexus s will be pre installed with Android GingerBread 2.3.
5. Also, the nexus s is set to be release Dec. 16th in US.
6. Samsung said at a press conference that their Galaxy S portfolio would receive an update in mid December.

Now let me lay down some thing I have noticed. (not known facts)

1. Samsung probably had Gingerbread for quite some time now.
2. If Google and Samsung worked together, they probably have a deal that their phones would get gingerbread first.
3. Samsung has pushed froyo back and back and probably realized to just skip it since they had gingerbread working already.
4. Samsung is the top android dealer and it would be in their best interest to push out gingerbread first.
5. Samsung never said what update we would receive, only that we would in the near future.

So there, make your own conclusions. I personally think it would be better if we saw gingerbread first.
you sound as if you have some corperate experience
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What Joe said is all good and all except for two minor facts:

1) Galaxy S phones in other parts of the world already have the official Froyo update from Samsung... And it is Froyo.

2) Samsung did say it will be Froyo. Actually they have tweeter many times about this and also had promised Froyo at the release in the US.
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5. Samsung never said what update we would receive, only that we would in the near future.
Actually, Samsung has always maintained that the update is Froyo, especially through their social media team. Here is a tweet from @SamsungEstabon (Estabon Contreras):
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I really think it is unlikely that we will get gingerbread anytime soon because such good customer service is very unlike Samsung...
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That sucks. I'm still probably going to get it after it is out a few months. Its to sexy to not have. Plus I think the Nexus S is just the way the Captivate and Fascinate SHOULD have been made.
Not without a MicroSD memory card slot, it's not. Dealbreaker there.
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Samsung comments on Galaxy S Android 2.3 update - Pocket-lint

"Samsung has told Pocket-lint that it is unsure whether the latest version of Android, version 2.3, will be coming to the Samsung Galaxy S, following the announcement that its new flagship phone, the Samsung Nexus S, will be packing the new operating system when it launches later this month."
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typical if you ask me. They spent so much time focusing on the new phone thats a step backwards from the captivate they have neglected the phones they could have moved forward with.

TBH honest has lost my business. To all of those who kept the nexus one. Your smart cookies.
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Not that is necessarily applies to the Captivate, but for what it's worth:

"GalaxyS will be surely upgraded to gingerbeard." - Samsung Mobile India
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wow thanks that's good indication... and surely will fuel the now new Gingerbread discussions in this forum for years to come..
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india can say what they want, uk has froyo. us still has nothing.

enjoy.
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Does anyone know of roms that work on the captivate this is my first android....leaving the hell i went through known as apple and id like to play around with some roms try it out see whatsup
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Not to repeat info, but Engadget has something up now, too: Samsung undecided about Gingerbread on Galaxy S, Google says hardware needs 'similar' to Froyo -- Engadget
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Does anyone know of roms that work on the captivate this is my first android....leaving the hell i went through known as apple and id like to play around with some roms try it out see whatsup
Your best bet is go to here and start reading and learning. They're all listed there. Right now I'm following Axura and Assonance. YMMV.
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If 2.2, let alone 2.3 (like said above this thread will be alive for years to come) isn't officially on my captivate before or on December 16th, 2010 I am going to XDA and deciding on the best ROM. When I first bought my phone I read all about hacking etc and decided to wait until 2.2 came out since I figured it would be sooner rather than later (I naively thought that Samsung wouldn't want to be outdone by HTC and Motorola, I failed to understand that Samsung is a fat cat and neither of the other two are, I also believed they would support the Galaxy S in a timely manner seeing how it was a world wide distribution).

I repeat the sentiments of a lot of U.S. Galaxy S owners, I am not ever going to buy a Samsung phone again (smoled be damned). HOWEVER, if by the chance of .00001% (yes that's a % sign so it makes the chance even smaller) the Captivate receives 2.3 (officially) on or before December 16th 2010 I will change my mind and buy another Samsung in the future. If I had the money I would sell my captivate right now and buy an iphone 4 (yes I am that ******* mad at Samsung and there are NO OTHER android devices from at&t [on which I am stuck] that are worth getting imo). I know Samsung promised "by the end of the year" and the 16th is NOT the end of the year but that is when the Nexus S comes out with 2.3!!! coupled with the Galaxy Tab having 2.2 since release is just too much. Way too much mud in my face. We here on this forum are part of the minority customer base, the ones that actually inform themselves, companies don't like people like us. Which is ****** up.

I do NOT buy top-tier state-of-the-art (expensive) phones just to be dropped from software support 4months later with a bunch of garbage non-answers and a subtle undertone of buy our new phone (I don't have the money AND I find it an insult to my intelligence). Just to answer the people who say, "buy a phone as is not what it will be" I call BS, Samsung promised 2.2 and "long term support" THUS buying the phone AS IS included long term support - although I suppose they didn't say "timely" long term support...hmmm. Updates are not optional!!!

I know Android doesn't have a security issue as of date but if it begins to which it could if it continues to grow then updates will become absolutely necessary for the security of your data - I'm surprised that security isn't an issue already I mean how many people use their phones to check their bank accounts or log into any number of their "secure" websites? I use my phone as I use my desktop; If I was a malicious hacker I'd see all these outdated smart phones as a gold mine of opportunity. Would anybody be OK with buying a desktop or a laptop and not getting any updates, and then coming to forums and being told "you bought the thing as is not for what it will be"? It's IMPLIED that you will get updates when you buy a desktop or a laptop and my damn cellphone is no different. I think it's sad that Android is leaving a bad taste in my mouth when it is a good OS, but it definitely has BUGS that reveal that it is a work in progress!! All software IS and all software NEEDS updates (even jesus errr apple releases updates to its god errr iPhone). I'll end with the repeated sentiments of others and myself that google is to blame for this and needs to include update requirements when licensing their OS.
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