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Yeah I feel your frustration as well Endoran but you have to realize that with iPhone, Apple controls everything. Outside of the iPhone, the carriers are the one having most of the control when it comes to updates and other things.
I don't think the delay is entirely Samsung's fault. It's at&t also. European Galaxy S as well as other locations already have official 2.2 release from Samsung. We here in the US are among the last. This latest round of delay smells more of US carriers than Samsung itself.
Yes, it's almost a given that this is a carrier (AT&T)-induced delay, given the evidence.
It's ok to be upset, but make sure it's directed at the proper parties. Hate Samsung for the GPS and lag, hate AT&T for the Froyo delay.
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Yes, it's almost a given that this is a carrier (AT&T)-induced delay, given the evidence.
It's ok to be upset, but make sure it's directed at the proper parties. Hate Samsung for the GPS and lag, hate AT&T for the Froyo delay.
I don't get this argument, what about the other U.S. carriers do you think they would wait for at&t to get their act together before releasing their updates? The other carriers had timely updates to their other high end phones. Given Samsungs track record and what I stated above I believe this to be a Samsung delay - hell the newly "leaked" epic4g build had major bugs how is that not Samsungs fault? I understand I could be wrong which is why I stated at the end of my rant that it is googles fault because, well for one it is, but for two I am not for sure where blame deserves to go, but in the end it is everybody's fault, Samsung is definitely not the least at fault, that is for sure. Google setup this backwards system, and thus the most blame goes to them.
Here is a tweet from @GalaxySService, the official Samsung service reps for the Galaxy S line:
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@smknipe No official statement about updating US Galaxy S line to 2.3 has been made & we aren't prepared to discuss this at this time. ^Sab
They are being rather terse and somewhat snappy over this whole thing. This tweet was in response to my forwarding the tweets about HTC and LG announcing their support for gingerbread for their lesser phones. Usually, these reps have been nothing but cheerful when responding, so this seems odd to me and doesn't bode well. If I had gotten something like "thanks for being patient, we just need you to be patient a little longer while we examine this" or something similar would have been more in character. It is odd that they are so super defensive already about gingerbread. Maybe Sabrina is just having a bad day, but I hope this early defensive stance is not an indicator that they are already feeding their frontlines with pre-fab statements to deal with disappointed masses...
Guys, the non-answer you are getting should be all the confirmation that you need. If Samsung was going to commit to supporting Gingerbread on their "flagship" device they would just say so. I'm sure they will push out Froyo eventually, they committed to it and it would be a huge loss of face to never put it out.
Look at from their point of view, to them our Captivates are a dead platform. I'm sure they are working on some dual-core successor to the Nexus S, at least they had better be if they want to be in the phone business next year. Any engineering resources they are using on Captivates are resources they aren't using on the product that will be keeping the mobile division going next year. The captivate is probably closer to its EOL date at AT&T than it is to its release date. I'm sure they are still building them at the factory now but I'm not sure if that will be true 6 months from now. They promised that it would be delivered with Eclair with an upgrade to Froyo.
The correct answer from both AT&T and Samsung to the Gingerbread question is "Buy a new phone".
We know damn well HTC is working three steps ahead (in terms of new tech) as well. What's their motivation for supporting old phones w/new updates when they don't "have to"?
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Guys, the non-answer you are getting should be all the confirmation that you need. If Samsung was going to commit to supporting Gingerbread on their "flagship" device they would just say so. I'm sure they will push out Froyo eventually, they committed to it and it would be a huge loss of face to never put it out.
Look at from their point of view, to them our Captivates are a dead platform. I'm sure they are working on some dual-core successor to the Nexus S, at least they had better be if they want to be in the phone business next year. Any engineering resources they are using on Captivates are resources they aren't using on the product that will be keeping the mobile division going next year. The captivate is probably closer to its EOL date at AT&T than it is to its release date. I'm sure they are still building them at the factory now but I'm not sure if that will be true 6 months from now. They promised that it would be delivered with Eclair with an upgrade to Froyo.
The correct answer from both AT&T and Samsung to the Gingerbread question is "Buy a new phone".
Wow.......seems like the truth about the captivate being dead to them. I hope this hurts their future sales so that they can feel how we feel. I've been on numerous websites stating, "why google...why did u have samsung make the nexus s".
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Wow.......seems like the truth about the captivate being dead to them. I hope this hurts their future sales so that they can feel how we feel. I've been on numerous websites stating, "why google...why did u have samsung make the nexus s".
Right they did promise Froyo but never anything else beyond it. However, they will surely lose a lot of customers for their future products if for a flagship product, just one update and done for good.
At least Apple updated the iPhone 2G thru at least 4 updates.
Right they did promise Froyo but never anything else beyond it. However, they will surely lose a lot of customers for their future products if for a flagship product, just one update and done for good.
At least Apple updated the iPhone 2G thru at least 4 updates.
i have to disagree with the apple comment,,worse thing i ever did was upgrade my 3g to OS4,, thats when i learnt I would sooner wait for a proven working OS ,, OS4 on 3g ruined my phone to the point of almost being useless, with lag ontop of lag,,,
I don't want to start a new thread but what is the latest firmware for the captivate because I have 2.1 and when I look for a update there's none available
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i have to disagree with the apple comment,,worse thing i ever did was upgrade my 3g to OS4,, thats when i learnt I would sooner wait for a proven working OS ,, OS4 on 3g ruined my phone to the point of almost being useless, with lag ontop of lag,,,
Yeah they screwed up big time with iOS 4.0 release. My 3G was also rendered useless. However they did manage to return the 3G to a somewhat usable state with the 4.2 release.
But at least Apple provided many update cycles to an iPhone model. 4.0 was the first release in which the first iPhone 2G is no longer supported. That's at least 4 OS update cycles. We are here hoping Samsung will give us 2!
I don't want to start a new thread but what is the latest firmware for the captivate because I have 2.1 and when I look for a update there's none available
That's because there is no update, 2.1 is the latest. There was a minor update a month or two ago to JH7. Do you have that? Settings>About Phone>Baseband Version.
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We are here hoping Samsung will give us 2!
If samsung introduces another line of galaxy series phones early next year that are available to all carriers then I don't think we'll see 2.3 on the captivate even though phones that came out before ours will (x, evo, incredible etc..). Samsung doesn't care about customers.....it cares about the money. Good example of that is their dlp tv line up. They were big with that type of hdtv and quickly abandoning it leaving customers left to dry. Even stores that sold/fixed dlp's would state that samsung has a shortage on parts for those tv's and their is a huge waiting list. I'm one of those customers who has 50 inch dlp in my garage cause the circuit board is always on backorder.
I don't want to start a new thread but what is the latest firmware for the captivate because I have 2.1 and when I look for a update there's none available
So still no update. Boy they are cutting it close. Pretty soon I'm gonna have to take my aunts advices and file a class action suit. First the GPS doesn't work plus they been promising an update, but nothing. Those were the main reasons I bought the phone and stuck with Att. I bought the phone because I didn't want it to be immediately out dated and look at us, we're stuck in the past.
That's because there is no update, 2.1 is the latest. There was a minor update a month or two ago to JH7. Do you have that? Settings>About Phone>Baseband Version.
So still no update. Boy they are cutting it close. Pretty soon I'm gonna have to take my aunts advices and file a class action suit. First the GPS doesn't work plus they been promising an update, but nothing. Those were the main reasons I bought the phone and stuck with Att. I bought the phone because I didn't want it to be immediately out dated and look at us, we're stuck in the past.
I would still maintain that the issue is their insane belief that users want their customized Samsung UI, Touchwiz 3.0.
The #1 question I've seen asked in the industry press since last July is - how will that slow down your update process?
One big part of 2.3 - not all of it, but a big part - is the new UI.
I'll predict for you that until they sort this out, this UI debacle will follow them to future devices.
Strictly an opinion.
Imagine how much faster the update would be if they just bought Launcher Pro and slapped that on there. Sprinkle on some un-wanted bloatware and you got a release.
Instead I'm sure Samsung is spending a significant amount of time trying to make Android look as much as an iPhone as possible.
Guys, the non-answer you are getting should be all the confirmation that you need. If Samsung was going to commit to supporting Gingerbread on their "flagship" device they would just say so. I'm sure they will push out Froyo eventually, they committed to it and it would be a huge loss of face to never put it out.
Look at from their point of view, to them our Captivates are a dead platform. I'm sure they are working on some dual-core successor to the Nexus S, at least they had better be if they want to be in the phone business next year. Any engineering resources they are using on Captivates are resources they aren't using on the product that will be keeping the mobile division going next year. The captivate is probably closer to its EOL date at AT&T than it is to its release date. I'm sure they are still building them at the factory now but I'm not sure if that will be true 6 months from now. They promised that it would be delivered with Eclair with an upgrade to Froyo.
The correct answer from both AT&T and Samsung to the Gingerbread question is "Buy a new phone".
Oddly Enough, Ive heard 2 Rumors from my buddy with HTC Repairs.
One is that Google paid HTC 2.4 million in dev and research for the nexus one. They get residuals off each sell of that phone (while it lasted).
Secondly, the reason they did not go with HTC again (who built a fine phone) was because Samsung agreed to do it for...Ready? FREE upfront cost and only residual fees from the sale of the phone. They thought the phone would replace all out standing Galaxy S phones and they could persuade all current S users to move to it. Not happening.
Beyond that he has heard numerous reports that google is highly disappointed with the results of the phone and at this point expects it to fail, but its to late and the phone must ship. HTC expects google to return for round 3.
now this is about the nexus s using ext4 file system, this is very similar to what the voodoo lagfix brings. so maybe with all the people saying this phone lagged got to samsung, and as they already changed the file system on the nexus s which is like a phone coming with a stock lagfix, maybe a foretaste of things to come
Some of the custom roms you see generating ultra-high benchmark scores include adding an ext-type linux filesystem to the SD card, and using that for the OS swap space, rather than on-board memory.
No idea why that seems to improve things - but it does. As the article says - at a cost - because that part of the SD card is being extensively hit with reads and writes.
Oddly Enough, Ive heard 2 Rumors from my buddy with HTC Repairs.
One is that Google paid HTC 2.4 million in dev and research for the nexus one. They get residuals off each sell of that phone (while it lasted).
Secondly, the reason they did not go with HTC again (who built a fine phone) was because Samsung agreed to do it for...Ready? FREE upfront cost and only residual fees from the sale of the phone. They thought the phone would replace all out standing Galaxy S phones and they could persuade all current S users to move to it. Not happening.
Beyond that he has heard numerous reports that google is highly disappointed with the results of the phone and at this point expects it to fail, but its to late and the phone must ship. HTC expects google to return for round 3.
But that doesn't make any sense at all. I bought my captivate on day one, Ive had the phone less than FOUR damn months and Samsung expects me to pay full price for a Galaxy S that has less memory than my current phone?
To me the Galaxy S is a downgrade, the only new feature is that wave your phone and pay thingy that doesn't really do anything yet. The only thing special about it is Gingerbread and I'm sure designgears is going to be all over that shortly. The Nexus One was the top android phone when it came out, the Nexus S is mediocre at best. I'm sure the next gen phones from HTC and Motorola are going to walk all over that thing.
Gonna say that 2.2 is skipped. Samsung has had 2.3 now for a year and they perfected it on the Nexus. After Nexus releases I'm betting sometime in Jan/ Feb captivate gets 2.3
One of the voices in my head told me that Samsung has gotten so bored working with Gingerbread that they are going to skip straight to Parfait. Santa is going to be bringing it to each Captivate owner on Christmas eve, unless they have been naughty and have rooted their phone or said bad things about TouchWiz. Since its from the future Parfait will have features like:
The ability to instantly teleport to a anywhere thats marked on Google Galaxy.
A real working phaser application, be careful, that USB port will be hot.
Front facing camera with LED flash.
So make sure you leave out your cookies and your phone for Santa. Otherwise you are going to get a lump of coal and a backflip.
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I think it's kinda funny how people think that samsung had anything to do with getting 2.3 on the Nexus S. Why would google say to Samsung oh yeah here why don't YOU code OUR software for us? It was a joint venture and google did all the software I guarantee it. With that, why would google want to help Samsung get 2.3 on its Galaxy line when it's in direct competition to its google phone? In fact it's identical and the ONLY thing (substantial) that sets it apart is that it runs gingerbread. I seriously doubt we will see 2.3 official for a long, long time. Unofficial...now that's another story, I'm banking on later this week.
I think it's kinda funny how people think that samsung had anything to do with getting 2.3 on the Nexus S. Why would google say to Samsung oh yeah here why don't YOU code OUR software for us? It was a joint venture and google did all the software I guarantee it. With that, why would google want to help Samsung get 2.3 on its Galaxy line when it's in direct competition to its google phone? In fact it's identical and the ONLY thing (substantial) that sets it apart is that it runs gingerbread. I seriously doubt we will see 2.3 official for a long, long time. Unofficial...now that's another story, I'm banking on later this week.
Your theory makes no sense. for one google would want the galaxy S and its million of owners to get the best software possible so that they will continue to want android! Also the galaxy S does NOT directly compete with Nexus S for one its touchwiz versus vanilla Android. Two there is no NFC chip in the galaxy S and three the Nexus S will barely dent the market in sales comparable to the Galaxy S.
Your theory makes no sense. for one google would want the galaxy S and its million of owners to get the best software possible so that they will continue to want android! Also the galaxy S does NOT directly compete with Nexus S for one its touchwiz versus vanilla Android. Two there is no NFC chip in the galaxy S and three the Nexus S will barely dent the market in sales comparable to the Galaxy S.
You like your rose colored glasses? Seriously though, I don't see how your post invalidates my opinion. I find it ridiculous how you think the nexus doesn't compete with the galaxy. BUT hey, I actually hope you are right.
Maybe some history will clarify this Nexus-Galaxy S debate.
Google brings out Android - way cool. Vendors (carriers and makers) bicker and whine that there's just sooooo much to do. Google says fine, we'll do a phone - enter the Nexus One, based on the Qualcomm Snapdragon and built by HTC.
While fans and pundits and other manufacturers complain about capability of the handset and whether or not Google was being fair, the Nexus One establishes a baseline hardware configuration for a fully mission-capable Android platform - able to last into the future past its intended sales cycle while able to run Android updates. It's not only Android capable - it's FULLY Android capable. This establishes a milestone in the business and gives users a chance to have a pure Google phone. It is planned from the beginning to only have a limited run - it was based on 65 nm semiconductor technology rather the latest cutting edge stuff - to prove the point that Android did not have be as adult a puzzle as others would have people believe.
Google announces their last performance update will be Froyo, Gingerbread will follow with UI enhancements, and after that, we all go to app city for improvements.
Android takes off like gangbusters. Google expands and improves Android and now Gingerbread includes performance enhancements - the end is not in sight.
Users complain while carrier/vendor combos drag their feet rolling out Froyo updates (and continue to do so, with Gingerbread already knocking on the door).
Google repeats history - time for the second Google phone to protect the pure Android brand.
HTC responds by offering to do their part at the deep discount they provided for the Nexus One. Samsung, eager to make the claims that they're the new Google phone, offers to engineer the new platform to Google specs, free of charge.
Google, not being fools, choose the Samsung handset.
If you want the Google phone, you buy one that says Nexus on the box, and go with the carrier selected by Google. Google provides the updates and gives full Android openness - the carrier and the handset maker have nothing to say about it.
Otherwise, if you want a good Android superphone (I prefer calling our class of smartphones that personally), you can select your favorite carrier and just choose the top-model Android phone that you like. Or, you might like a top-model Android phone and be ok with the carrier it accompanies.
Unlike the Google phone, however, from that point forward, your choices are to either accept what the carrier/maker gives you for software - or - you root, and wait for some developer to get whatever's working on the Google phone working on your model.
So - if you're a carrier without the Google phone - the Nexus - then the Nexus competes with what you have, like a Galaxy S.
If you're Samsung, you're already making the SoC Hummingbird processor, the display, probably the new Sammy mobile memory, etc - and you don't care what handset the incarnation is - it's all Galaxy S-based, it's all going into your pocket.
As far as missing NFC - give it time. Rumor is that new SD cards are coming with the NFC goodness inside to update handsets built without it.
There's one thing the Nexus S will compete with and that's nonsense.
Any false claim of Android non-upgradability made by a carrier or maker becomes toast if it's supported on either Nexus phone.
Hope this clarifies and helps, some.
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woah... I've been waiting for 2.2 since I've had my captivate, now there's 2.3 already out. I've given up on at&t. I'll take root after a couple 100% roms of 2.3 are out.
For the most part I forget my phone is running an old version of android when using it... considering it still runs buttery smooth.
I came from a Blackberry Torch, I really liked it. I could listen to Sirius on it! I got the Captivate for Android believing the 2.2 upgrade was coming. I rooted my phone last night, I now have Sirius. I can get by w/o flashing by using Skyfire. I may stay rooted on 2.1 until 2.3 arrives. Also, my phone seems to run faster, being rooted. I've also gotten rid of alot of AT&T's BS-ware
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I've given up looking and waiting. Whenever they decide to do anything is the only time we will get anything. Internet searches and twitter comments aren't going to bring Froyo and Ginger to dinner.
I came from a Blackberry Torch, I really liked it. I could listen to Sirius on it! I got the Captivate for Android believing the 2.2 upgrade was coming. I rooted my phone last night, I now have Sirius. I can get by w/o flashing by using Skyfire. I may stay rooted on 2.1 until 2.3 arrives. Also, my phone seems to run faster, being rooted. I've also gotten rid of alot of AT&T's BS-ware
Ive had sirius for the week on an unrooted phone as there is an official sirius xm app on the market now.
Any updates on 2.3 Gingerbread update?? I've seen some videos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMtJbeow-8I of Gingerbread running on Captivate. Is there any stable versions out there?? I have 2.2 Froyo running right now.. having problems with the phone turning off randomly - was hoping Gingerbread might fix this.
Thanks, I guess there would be some hoopla if it was finished and everything was working - blogs, forums, etc. would light up. It sucks that it works out this way but its still better than what I've seen Iphone users go through to update their phones to the latest iOS - basically if you don't have Mac you're screwed. I was surprised at how painless it was to upgrade to 2.2 - just need to make sure you have a good build. I didn't mean to come across as impatient - I wish I could help these dev guys but they are much smarter than I am Its a heck of a job they are doing - is there ways to help or thank them?
I see alot of people on here blaming the lack of Froyo for the Captivate on Samsung. Honestly guys it is not their fault. The reason we do not have an authorized version of Froyo at this time is because AT&T has to approve the OS and they have not done ao.with any version that has been sent to them up to this point. There are several reasons but the main two being that an unrestricted Froyo enables Mobile AP and USB Tethering without incurring service fees from the carrier. AT&T charges $60 each for these features and therefore will not EVER authorize ANY version of the Android OS for ANY phone they sell or provide service for unless features such as these are disabled in the update.
For those that seriously have to have Froyo skim on over to the XDA website and get it. Perfectly viable and fully functional build is there free for download and it works.
Just waiting for the gingerbread release now. :-)
For those that seriously have to have Froyo skim on over to the XDA website and get it. Perfectly viable and fully functional build is there free for download and it works.
Well, mostly-functional... but with issues. Some of the issues have alternative work-around via other apps, but it'd be dishonest to suggest to users that these are perfect and risk-free Froyos.
They are based upon the I9000 which is different hardware than the Captivate, then they have to be hacked up with bits from a leaked internal unfinished developer build of 2.2 for the Captivate into a FrankenROM that mostly works, but with little quirks here and there. Then there's just the risk of flashing/hacking that is part for the course.
If a user is ok with that, that's fine. But let's not be deceptive. It's important to be up-front about what these ROMs are (and aren't) to the user trying to read up on all this and educate themselves.
I've rooted my phone, and next plan to flash a ROM, once I decide which one. I have been reading about all the newest phones that are going to hit the market, and 4G coming to all the carriers. At AT & T I will be eligible for an upgrade. I cannot imagine what technology will be like, even by then. So for now, I am going to use my Captivate as a guinea pig and learn how to upgrade on my own, and try to become more savvy about the ins and outs of the smartphones.
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