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Old December 26th, 2010, 02:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I ordered an epic from radioshack wireless. They told me they were gonna throw in a screen protector and car charger, when i got the bill I realized I was being charged for that "throw-in" I sent the whole package back cause they refused to reimburse me. So once again I was back to comparing the evo and epic. My question is if the epic doesn't have the keyboard would everyone still pick the epic? Sorry if this has already been done

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Gorrilla glass, better cpu, and better screen...so, yes.
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Sorry but the evo is a better phone. You can talk specs and benchmarks all day but if you use both you'll see it for yourself.

And yes I have both.
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Sorry but the evo is a better phone. You can talk specs and benchmarks all day but if you use both you'll see it for yourself.

And yes I have both.
in what way?
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I would have taken the Evo
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I didn't even want a keyboard but I still went with the epic. Just couldn't resist the screen.
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I don't need the keyboard either! The screen is georgeous but every review i've read says that the evo is better, even though the epic has a better screen, plus keyboard,faster processor, camera and etc. Honestly I just don't understand why...why is everyone sweating the evo...
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Hard to say. I tested out both and the keyboard was really what put the Epic over the Evo for me (along with the dedicated camera button).

Had it not had a keyboard, I'm not sure. I might have gone for the Evo because of Froyo, the kickstand, and the HDMI Out. On the other hand, if the Epic gets Froyo then I'd keep that because of the better screen, better video playback capabilities, and better processor.
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so why is the phone with lower specs better?
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Gorrilla glass, better cpu, and better screen...so, yes.
Yeap. Better screen sold it for me.

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Sorry but the evo is a better phone. You can talk specs and benchmarks all day but if you use both you'll see it for yourself.

And yes I have both.
Sorry... I've got both and disagree with you.

HOWEVER, this is the great thing about choices. The best phone for one person isn't the best for another.


At the end of the day.... pick the best phone for you regardless of which one it is.
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Yeap. Better screen sold it for me.



Sorry... I've got both and disagree with you.

HOWEVER, this is the great thing about choices. The best phone for one person isn't the best for another.


At the end of the day.... pick the best phone for you regardless of which one it is.

Everything works, the gps is amazing, HTC support trumps Samsungs. I don't think I even need to mention 2.2...

I've been a samsung fanboy for the last 10 years and I might just be done with them after seeing how good the evo works.

At the end of the day it really depends on how you use the phone and what works for you. I talked my wife into the epic and I still believe it's the better phone for her. If I had one I would have it rooted by now to get 2.2 but I honestly think root should be for removing bloat and customizing the rom. I don't think you should have to root it to get the firmware the manufacturer should give you. If it's out and working well enough for people to run then they should have a version out with the problem areas turned off until they can fix them.
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Honestly I just don't understand why...why is everyone sweating the evo...
Probably partly because it has froyo, and partly because of the bigger screen which really can't be a negative although the bigger size can be. Add in the lag and gps issues of the galaxy s line and I could easily see why someone would rate the evo as being better. On top of this, some people like lcd screen better saying they are better for reading text, and then the only realm where the hummingbird processor really outclasses the snapdragon is in 3d gaming.
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yes.. it is very hard to say why evo is better.. can not be put down on paper.

on paper.. samsung looks great. Out specs the EVO in almost everything. Samsung is great at paper marketing.
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i give you 2 examples:
BMW 335ci
GMC Camero

on paper the camero has some great numbers and specs.
in a straight line.... Camero may out run the 335.
but take them on a track...
or on real roads and around corner...
day to day ride...
fun and responsiveness..

the evo parts are matched well together for over all performance. the overall performance is more than the sum of they individual parts.

HTC also adds in service and support. Sense is good. and with the new sense.com it will bring another level of usability. Rumor has it.. Sense is bringing in its own movie hub partnered with Netflix!!!!!

Samsung has proven time and time again.. in the past and currently with Galaxy S line.. they know who to make a phone that will sell millions... but then it is time to make a new line and millions more... who cares about the old lines (samsung got the $$$).
and lets be honest... the general public is very very happy with the EPIC as it is. Great phone!

but HTC and EVO is a better super phone.
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Both phones are great in their own ways. Why do people keep asking others for their advice on a personal issue like this?

I own both phones, and both are awesome. I prefer my Evo slightly more than my Epic, but that does not mean that the Evo is better for everyone.

Those who need others' approval to get these phones should post a poll on a thread to let other people dictate your phone choice, which will still make you miserable because of your indecision to get one or the other.

But both Evo and Epic are fantastic phones, each with their pros and cons. Don't have the "grass is greener" syndrome, because you'll keep kicking yourself over something that really doesn't matter. Both phones are fine, pick one and live with it.
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I too have both phones, I don't ever use the Epic's keyboard as i prefer Swype's keyboard but between the two I prefer the Epic....It's just smoother to me. I don't use Touchwiz or Sense because both are bloatware IMO...and I prefer LauncherPro. The only thing in my mind has is better with the EVO is that it's data speeds on 3G seem way faster...4G is no difference however....Battery Life between the two goes to the Epic but it might be different for others as both have custom ROM's on them. Don't let these people fool you, either phone is the right choice. I cannot see how one person can literally say that they are unhappy with one and happy with the other...Nitpickers I guess as both phones will wow you and aggravate you at the same time, LMAO.....Just choose the one that you feel more comfortable with.
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I would gladly trade my Epic for an Evo, if I could.
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I would gladly trade my Epic for an Evo, if I could.
I wouldn't. Other than th Sense UI, the kickstand, and the support for 3 more devices at a time on the Mobile Hotspot fearure, the EPIC is superior in everyway.
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From what I've seen, the Evo's wifi hotspot upload speed isn't capped at 0.5mbps like the Epic. That's something too.
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From what I've seen, the Evo's wifi hotspot upload speed isn't capped at 0.5mbps like the Epic. That's something too.
What are you on about? I've never ran into any sort of upload speed cap while 4G tethering.
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i give you 2 examples:
BMW 335ci
GMC Camero

on paper the camero has some great numbers and specs.
in a straight line.... Camero may out run the 335.
but take them on a track...
or on real roads and around corner...
day to day ride...
fun and responsiveness...
Silly comparo. Most of why the 335 wins (as you pointed out in the handling and ride categories) is due to its superior suspension design, lighter weight, etc.. Isn't it a chevy camero, not GMC or are you talking about BMW 335i vs. GMC Canyon?

The only things that HTC is better than Epic are: 2.2 and customer service. But then again, despite having 2.1, i have NOT had to call Samsung customer service for anything...phone works as advertised. Sprint customer service is what most of us need, NOT the actual phone manufacturer's service. Yeah, Samsung sucks at getting software update out...but didn't HTC take a long time to fix the glass separating issue???? THAT is something that i would freak out about...and definitely call HTC customer service! Fortunately, Epic does not have any hardware issue to date.

GPS issue? A minor lag when i first boot it...and then works fine for most people.

EVO does have a better spec camera...but it is still inferior to Epic's camera...maybe i should bring up the GMC Camero vs. 335 comparo here!

Bigger screen is fine...but then you have to slap on POS aftermarket screen protector...and that just kills touch sensitivity and blur the wonderful big screen! No thanks.

Even with 2.2, i never did like how the EVO would change home screen as you swipe your finger back and forth. The Epic is much smoother.

But hey, Evo has that ultra-useful kickstand!
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Both phones are great in their own ways.

Why do people keep asking others for their advice on a personal issue like this?
Because people inexperienced with certain things want to mull over a consensus about those things.

A smart thing to do.
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Silly comparo. Most of why the 335 wins (as you pointed out in the handling and ride categories) is due to its superior suspension design, lighter weight, etc.. Isn't it a chevy camero, not GMC or are you talking about BMW 335i vs. GMC Canyon?

The only things that HTC is better than Epic are: 2.2 and customer service. But then again, despite having 2.1, i have NOT had to call Samsung customer service for anything...phone works as advertised. Sprint customer service is what most of us need, NOT the actual phone manufacturer's service. Yeah, Samsung sucks at getting software update out...but didn't HTC take a long time to fix the glass separating issue???? THAT is something that i would freak out about...and definitely call HTC customer service! Fortunately, Epic does not have any hardware issue to date.

GPS issue? A minor lag when i first boot it...and then works fine for most people.

EVO does have a better spec camera...but it is still inferior to Epic's camera...maybe i should bring up the GMC Camero vs. 335 comparo here!

Bigger screen is fine...but then you have to slap on POS aftermarket screen protector...and that just kills touch sensitivity and blur the wonderful big screen! No thanks.

Even with 2.2, i never did like how the EVO would change home screen as you swipe your finger back and forth. The Epic is much smoother.

But hey, Evo has that ultra-useful kickstand!
GMC or Chevy... all under GM.. but you are right.. chevy camero.
But both are 2 door sports cars (335ci vs Camero). the bmw is better all around. because all the individual parts (engine, suspension, body, steering) work together better.. and give feedback to the user so that the driving experience is top notch.

I agree the spec of epic out weights specs of evo....in almost all categories. But put all that together (hardware, sense, htc, support) and you have a better user experience that is top notch.

Of course this is my experience and my opinion and my preference... you have yours.

PS... i have had many HTC phones: touch, diamond, touch pro 2, hero... now EVO. all have been great for me for the available tech at the time of their release. Lets name the successful smartphones by samsung....?
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Still...if I had a choice b/w bad build quality vs waiting a bit long for software update all the while the phone still working very well, then I would gladly pick the latter. Just like the glass separation issue, the software update will come soon. And once we have 2.2, the Epic should be better than Evo in specs AND actual useage! No contest.

Lack of gorrilla glass killed the Evo deal for me....and my Sprint store tells me that Evo returns far outnumber Epic returns....

Personally, I would take a Mustang GT 5.0 over the 335I....
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ok... I agree you love your phone.

about the screen separation.. I do not deny that issue... but take it with a grain of salt... you hear it more on forums because... the nature of the beast.

scratches... gorilla glass is great! I am not sure if EVO has or not have it. But other HTC phones do have it (hero). But I know it is Glass. The material known as Glass...is very scratch resistant .. the nature of the beast. Oh.. i dont use screen protector too.. hate the feel.

returns.... that is what warranties are for.
I would rather have a bmw... even if I have to use the warranty for leather trim issues a few times till they get it right.

but again... I agree you love your phone.
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Still...if I had a choice b/w bad build quality vs waiting a bit long for software update all the while the phone still working very well, then I would gladly pick the latter. Just like the glass separation issue, the software update will come soon. And once we have 2.2, the Epic should be better than Evo in specs AND actual useage! No contest.

Lack of gorrilla glass killed the Evo deal for me....and my Sprint store tells me that Evo returns far outnumber Epic returns....

Personally, I would take a Mustang GT 5.0 over the 335I....
Same thing at Best Buy. I have a friend that works there and he told me EVOs were being brought back like crazy. As far as the poster that said the Epic has Lag, are you kidding me my Epic flies and my GPS works perfect and I am on 2.1. As far as HTC support and updates, I had the HTC hero, loved the phone but it took forever to finally get 2.1 so don't tell me HTC is great with support. I would rather Samsung and Sprint be later and release a stable version that what HTC did for the Hero. Wait forever and when it is released it was buggy as H$ll. I prefer Epic over EVO a million times over. That is my preference, that don't make me right or wrong just right for ME.
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GMC or Chevy... all under GM.. but you are right.. chevy camero.
But both are 2 door sports cars (335ci vs Camero). the bmw is better all around. because all the individual parts (engine, suspension, body, steering) work together better.. and give feedback to the user so that the driving experience is top notch.

I agree the spec of epic out weights specs of evo....in almost all categories. But put all that together (hardware, sense, htc, support) and you have a better user experience that is top notch.

Of course this is my experience and my opinion and my preference... you have yours.

PS... i have had many HTC phones: touch, diamond, touch pro 2, hero... now EVO. all have been great for me for the available tech at the time of their release. Lets name the successful smartphones by samsung....?
My wife Loves her Moment and it is a very good phone and the only one I really care about. The EPIC.
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Personally, I would take a Mustang GT 5.0 over the 335I....
ok..

that statement is neither right or wrong...

but it clearly puts us at separate/opposite end of any discussion.
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ok... I agree you love your phone.

about the screen separation.. I do not deny that issue... but take it with a grain of salt... you hear it more on forums because... the nature of the beast.

scratches... gorilla glass is great! I am not sure if EVO has or not have it. But other HTC phones do have it (hero). But I know it is Glass. The material known as Glass...is very scratch resistant .. the nature of the beast. Oh.. i dont use screen protector too.. hate the feel.

returns.... that is what warranties are for.
I would rather have a bmw... even if I have to use the warranty for leather trim issues a few times till they get it right.

but again... I agree you love your phone.
Ehhh...that turbo engine is problematic...no thx...actually the 335I turbo issue is akin to the Evo glass separation issue...ruins the experience for many.
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I wouldn't. Other than th Sense UI, the kickstand, and the support for 3 more devices at a time on the Mobile Hotspot fearure, the EPIC is superior in everyway.
You forgot about the vastly superior GPS on the Evo as well, plus the fact Evo has more ROMs and 2.2 for a long time now.


I laught at people who say one phone is superior in everyway over the other phone. That's just silly. Both phones are superb and there is no way one phone is clearly superior.
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Look, I can't tell you how annoyed I am that Samsung is being a pain in the ass when it comes to updating.

That said, right now I'm very glad I got my Epic over the Evo. I've got a number of friends with the Evo and the Epic is right for what I need it to do. I'm currently a graduate film student at USC and for the type of things I need it to do, the Epic works better (for now).

I want to be able to review a lot of media files and the Epic plays far more different kinds of video files and plays them faster than the Evo. It also has a nicer screen for watching the files. There's nothing wrong with the Evo's screen but I did notice that the colors seemed slightly muted when I tried to bring one of my old films on it. Yeah, I am envious of the Evo's kickstand but I'm willing to trade that for the ability to play more files and faster speeds with a better screen.

Next is the camera which I also prefer on the Epic. I know the Evo's is higher MP but I've worked with digital photography and video for years and I know that resolution claims tend to be bogus. Every person who knew about photography said the Epic's camera was better and online comparisons proved the point. I also can't tell you how much I like having a dedicated shooting button instead of having to touch the screen like on the Evo or iPhone.

Finally, there's the keyboard which was probably the biggest factor. I tested both phones and I can't tell you how frustrated i got trying to write e-mails and other text using the Android keyboard. I need a physical keyboard if I'm writing anything longer than a few words. What was even more irking was that one has to add SWYPE to the Evo as a download and it doesn't seem to work nearly as well as on the Epic or other devices that come with it pre-installed. This was really the dealbreaker for me as I realized that I would go absolutely nuts if I was going to be constantly struggling to enter text.

These are the main reasons I went with the Epic over the Evo (and the fact that it came with a bigger SD card so i wouldn't have to spend another $30 upgrading to 16 gig). Yes I really want 2.2 so I can have FLASH but, aside from that, there's not much that makes me regret my choice.

I'm still think the CEO's of Samsung should be taken out and whipped for letting the OS on their flagship device get so out of date. I also may change my tune if apps start requiring 2.2 and we don't have an upgrade soon.
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Look, I can't tell you how annoyed I am that Samsung is being a pain in the ass when it comes to updating.

That said, right now I'm very glad I got my Epic over the Evo. I've got a number of friends with the Evo and the Epic is right for what I need it to do. I'm currently a graduate film student at USC and for the type of things I need it to do, the Epic works better (for now).

I want to be able to review a lot of media files and the Epic plays far more different kinds of video files and plays them faster than the Evo. It also has a nicer screen for watching the files. There's nothing wrong with the Evo's screen but I did notice that the colors seemed slightly muted when I tried to bring one of my old films on it. Yeah, I am envious of the Evo's kickstand but I'm willing to trade that for the ability to play more files and faster speeds with a better screen.

Next is the camera which I also prefer on the Epic. I know the Evo's is higher MP but I've worked with digital photography and video for years and I know that resolution claims tend to be bogus. Every person who knew about photography said the Epic's camera was better and online comparisons proved the point. I also can't tell you how much I like having a dedicated shooting button instead of having to touch the screen like on the Evo or iPhone.

Finally, there's the keyboard which was probably the biggest factor. I tested both phones and I can't tell you how frustrated i got trying to write e-mails and other text using the Android keyboard. I need a physical keyboard if I'm writing anything longer than a few words. What was even more irking was that one has to add SWYPE to the Evo as a download and it doesn't seem to work nearly as well as on the Epic or other devices that come with it pre-installed. This was really the dealbreaker for me as I realized that I would go absolutely nuts if I was going to be constantly struggling to enter text.

These are the main reasons I went with the Epic over the Evo (and the fact that it came with a bigger SD card so i wouldn't have to spend another $30 upgrading to 16 gig). Yes I really want 2.2 so I can have FLASH but, aside from that, there's not much that makes me regret my choice.

I'm still think the CEO's of Samsung should be taken out and whipped for letting the OS on their flagship device get so out of date. I also may change my tune if apps start requiring 2.2 and we don't have an upgrade soon.

For all the same reasons as you, I chose the EPIC. I LOVE taking pictures and movies on my Epic when I don't bring my Nikon DSLRs. IMO, higher MP count does NOT equal better picture quality. There are many articles on the web which prove that point. A good article to read on the Megapixel myth is here:

The Megapixel Myth

Also, I like the faster fps playback and more codecs to play videos, since I do a lot of video watching as well. Finally the hardware keyboard was very important for me. Coming from a Blackberry with a keyboard, I needed something that gave me the familiarity of a hardware keyboard and then I can transition into a virtual keyboard as I get more used to it. I still find myself using the hardware keyboard for long messages since I can type faster on it even if I use Swype (Swype is not all that perfect as sometimes it has to guess some words and you have to take a little time to pick out the correct word).

Overall I'm happy even on 2.1. Yes I do have some issues (GPS sometimes works great sometimes takes a few minutes to lock), but all in all, I love the phone.
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Look, I can't tell you how annoyed I am that Samsung is being a pain in the ass when it comes to updating.

That said, right now I'm very glad I got my Epic over the Evo. I've got a number of friends with the Evo and the Epic is right for what I need it to do. I'm currently a graduate film student at USC and for the type of things I need it to do, the Epic works better (for now).

I want to be able to review a lot of media files and the Epic plays far more different kinds of video files and plays them faster than the Evo. It also has a nicer screen for watching the files. There's nothing wrong with the Evo's screen but I did notice that the colors seemed slightly muted when I tried to bring one of my old films on it. Yeah, I am envious of the Evo's kickstand but I'm willing to trade that for the ability to play more files and faster speeds with a better screen.

Next is the camera which I also prefer on the Epic. I know the Evo's is higher MP but I've worked with digital photography and video for years and I know that resolution claims tend to be bogus. Every person who knew about photography said the Epic's camera was better and online comparisons proved the point. I also can't tell you how much I like having a dedicated shooting button instead of having to touch the screen like on the Evo or iPhone.

Finally, there's the keyboard which was probably the biggest factor. I tested both phones and I can't tell you how frustrated i got trying to write e-mails and other text using the Android keyboard. I need a physical keyboard if I'm writing anything longer than a few words. What was even more irking was that one has to add SWYPE to the Evo as a download and it doesn't seem to work nearly as well as on the Epic or other devices that come with it pre-installed. This was really the dealbreaker for me as I realized that I would go absolutely nuts if I was going to be constantly struggling to enter text.

These are the main reasons I went with the Epic over the Evo (and the fact that it came with a bigger SD card so i wouldn't have to spend another $30 upgrading to 16 gig). Yes I really want 2.2 so I can have FLASH but, aside from that, there's not much that makes me regret my choice.

I'm still think the CEO's of Samsung should be taken out and whipped for letting the OS on their flagship device get so out of date. I also may change my tune if apps start requiring 2.2 and we don't have an upgrade soon.
Don't be envious about the Kickstand, Get one here:
Amazon.com: Body Glove's Glove Snap-On Case with Belt Clip for Samsung Epic (Black): Cell Phones & Accessories
And have the protection of a hard case too.
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Are you comparing a $43,500 car to a $34,000 car? One is made for going fast in straight line, and one is made for cruising the autobahn.... Apples and oranges. Give me that extra $9,500 and I will put a suspension on that Camero that will eat the BWM. I don't even like Chevy.

As for the phone, the screen sold it for me. I looked at them side by side in the store, played with them for a minute and said Epic please. I have friends with the Evo and they like it, however they get jealous at my screen often. The only thing I like about theirs is the HDMI out. It is pretty handy for people like me who take a lot of pictures, but then again, my pictures seem to look better than theirs even with the 3 less mega pixels.

Personal preference. Go to the store and play with them, you will know pretty quickly which one you want.
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What was even more irking was that one has to add SWYPE to the Evo as a download and it doesn't seem to work nearly as well as on the Epic or other devices that come with it pre-installed.
That deal breaker is no longer true of the EVO as of the last big update that was pushed about two weeks ago which essentially bundled Swype along with Blockbuster and a game demo and some other modifications and fixes etc... which kind of goes back to your initial annoyance at Samsung's slow updates...
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I see that it has a belt clip, but no kickstand?
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That deal breaker is no longer true of the EVO as of the last big update that was pushed about two weeks ago which essentially bundled Swype along with Blockbuster and a game demo and some other modifications and fixes etc... which kind of goes back to your initial annoyance at Samsung's slow updates...
First off, I completely 100% concur that the slow updates are incredible BS and I am furious about them. There is really no excuse on Samsung's part and, while I'm still very happy with my Epic, I'm most likely going to avoid all Samsung products in the future because this is ludicrous. In the ever growing technology world, product support is more important than ever. I don't care about blockbuster but I might actually swap phones if Netflix releases a 2.2 only app or something else HTC exclusive.

THAT SAID, even with working SWYPE, I wouldn't be able to survive. I was actually showing my Mom SWYPE today and she asked why I don't just use it instead of the keyboard. I explained that just like when one types on a computer keyboard, typing on a physical one uses muscle memory so you're not thinking about the words you are typing but rather the sentences you are forming. Even though SWYPE is great, I have to think to myself what work I want to say next and then think about where the keys are. Drawing your hand across the screen just doesn't seem to lend it'self to the same kind of muscle memory that a real keyboard does. I kept finding that I was using simpler sentences in my e-mails and had trouble organizing my thoughts. I also find I make a lot more mistakes on SWYPE. I try to use it for short messages or to type e-mail addresses but I find that I screw up with symbols or numbers. Since a big part of the reason i got this phone was to be able to send e-mails whenever I needed and to be able to work with documents, the inability to type properly just doesn't cut it.

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Why the hell would they make a kick stand that makes the phone stand up vertically? The whole point of the kickstand is for watching movies which fills up the screen in portrait mode. I'd much rather hold the damn phone myself than lose 60% of screen resolution. I'm not trying to be rude to whoever posted this but I don't get why the company would make a kickstand that doesn't work for the one thing the kickstand was designed to do.
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I absolutely love my Epic. I would not trade it with the EVO. Mind you, I am running the DK28 Froyo leak and have amazingly accurate. GPS (1M accuracy), flash support, and fantastic battery life. I have frozen all bloatware and DRM via Titanium. I don't have any scratches on my screen and have not used a screen protector since launch day. I use the free wifi tether app for root users and never pay for a hot spot or have any cap. I love the hardware keyboard. I have seen comparisons of photos taken with both Epic and EVO. The Epic camera wins in every category, especially for video. It is hands down the best phone on the US market in my opinion. If you plan to root your phone (simple task), you can have all the use of it's hardware capabilities. The only people who complain about the phone are they who have not taken the initiative to root and upgrade to the leak.
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Its built into the belt clip. Did you not look at the ad?
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Hey buggerritt, would you mind sharing which DRM ones you froze in titanium? I have just been shutting it off in the running processes cause I haven't had the time to test which ones I can freeze etc. I agree with your post, I am running a DK28 froyo and everything is great cept the DRM.
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First off, I completely 100% concur that the slow updates are incredible BS and I am furious about them. There is really no excuse on Samsung's part and, while I'm still very happy with my Epic, I'm most likely going to avoid all Samsung products in the future because this is ludicrous. In the ever growing technology world, product support is more important than ever. I don't care about blockbuster but I might actually swap phones if Netflix releases a 2.2 only app or something else HTC exclusive.

THAT SAID, even with working SWYPE, I wouldn't be able to survive. I was actually showing my Mom SWYPE today and she asked why I don't just use it instead of the keyboard. I explained that just like when one types on a computer keyboard, typing on a physical one uses muscle memory so you're not thinking about the words you are typing but rather the sentences you are forming. Even though SWYPE is great, I have to think to myself what work I want to say next and then think about where the keys are. Drawing your hand across the screen just doesn't seem to lend it'self to the same kind of muscle memory that a real keyboard does. I kept finding that I was using simpler sentences in my e-mails and had trouble organizing my thoughts. I also find I make a lot more mistakes on SWYPE. I try to use it for short messages or to type e-mail addresses but I find that I screw up with symbols or numbers. Since a big part of the reason i got this phone was to be able to send e-mails whenever I needed and to be able to work with documents, the inability to type properly just doesn't cut it.



Why the hell would they make a kick stand that makes the phone stand up vertically? The whole point of the kickstand is for watching movies which fills up the screen in portrait mode. I'd much rather hold the damn phone myself than lose 60% of screen resolution. I'm not trying to be rude to whoever posted this but I don't get why the company would make a kickstand that doesn't work for the one thing the kickstand was designed to do.
Terminal case of the DA eh? The belt clip swivels 360 degrees so you can put the phone in just about any position you desire. You can even take it off so you can hold it in your hand. ROFLMAO
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Hey buggerritt, would you mind sharing which DRM ones you froze in titanium? I have just been shutting it off in the running processes cause I haven't had the time to test which ones I can freeze etc. I agree with your post, I am running a DK28 froyo and everything is great cept the DRM.
I froze both instances of DRM: DRM Content and DRM Content Launcher. I also froze Media hub, Amazon MP3, Email (I am using K-9 so, there is no need for it), GMail, Google Search, NASCAR, QIK Video, Sprint Football, Sprint TV, SprintZone, SprintTV Widget, and Y! Finance Clock. The phone works flawlessly, without all that crap. I get all my email, SMS/MMS, GPS is lovely, never drop calls, internet is wicked fast, wifi tethering rocks it, music plays great, bluetooth is top notch (waiting for next build for voice dialing via BT, though). I have no real gripes with this phone. Gsyncit syncs all my outlook contacts, mail, and calendar. Life is good...really good.
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I looked at the case that is mentioned above. I love the look and believe it would be comfortable. The only problem I have with getting one, is that I had body glove cases on my TP2 and the little plastic tabs, that hold it onto the phone, are not very durable. Since you have to remove the back of the case, to remove the battery, it gets a lot of wear in a short time. I change my battery at least once/day and that is enough to wreck those little tabs in a week. If you could keep it on, all the time and just charge your phone while you sleep, it would be perfect. I don't imagine many light users would purchase a phone like this, though. It would be like my father buying a six core gaming system with crossfire cards and liquid cooling, so he can check his email once/week.
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I looked at the case that is mentioned above. I love the look and believe it would be comfortable. The only problem I have with getting one, is that I had body glove cases on my TP2 and the little plastic tabs, that hold it onto the phone, are not very durable. Since you have to remove the back of the case, to remove the battery, it gets a lot of wear in a short time. I change my battery at least once/day and that is enough to wreck those little tabs in a week. If you could keep it on, all the time and just charge your phone while you sleep, it would be perfect. I don't imagine many light users would purchase a phone like this, though. It would be like my father buying a six core gaming system with crossfire cards and liquid cooling, so he can check his email once/week.
Well, I've had mine installed for about a week now and absolutely love it. I was somewhat concerned about removing the back part of the case for putting it in my car adapter, but just now found an easy (almost effortless way of doing it without fearing breaking off those tabs you speak about. Just pull the top of the back away from the unit first (above the volume buttons) then the other side. Then slide the whole thing down to release from the bottom tabs (the bottom isn't quite as flexible as the top is).
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