I been noticing on facebook and my friends most of them want to get the evo over the epic, i would like to know what makes the evo more attractive over a performance phone like the epic? i own the epic and i have tested out the evo i notice there is a like a lag on the evo and so i didn't like it plus don't like the feel of it at all. but please i would like to read comments about this...
evo is more responsive, and smoother running. It has waaaaaay less bugs than the epic. The epic has too many issues . Im on my third one since my evo. However this third one i got seems to be the best running one so far, but still has issues like when i send a text it says not sent even though it is> evo is also on 2.2 epic is on 2.1 no official release for epic yet.
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It's not even the bugs or issues. The EVO has been advertised a lot more. The first thing that people think of when they hear the term "Sprint 4G" is the EVO. To this day I see a lot more ads for the EVO than for the EPIC.
i think it's because the evo is a much more supported device. thier are tons of mods and so many peeps have them. it just makes getting help on the evo much easier.
the reception on the evo is better than the epic. although samsung does make quality devices the fact that they are lacking in the update department is the downfall that they are facing.
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Evo has tons of mods? The guys at xda have modified the entire file system to make it even that much faster. They have 2.2 running on it pretty smooth, and I'm sure it will see 2.3 before the evo does thanks to them. More responsive? Don't see that either, and I've owned both phones.
For me it came down to the fact I work a lot in docs to go. I do a lot of writing and emailing and having a visual of the entire screen for writing and editing is just a huge plus and a better exprience. Also cutting and pasting with the shift and arrow keys is a big plus too.
Some don't mind losing screen real estate when typing. I can't stand it. I appreciate the better contrast on the screen as well. It's also lighter and fits better in thehand with its more rounded edges and softer curves. All the above is just my opinion.
Also think the update issues are not all samsung. I think sprint and the carriers have some blame in there since the rest of the world doesn't seem to impose their crap on the phones like us carriers do.also think some of the rumors are about issues with touchwiz and the differences of the epic with the rest of the galaxy phones (sliding keyboard and all). The price you pay for the unique one in the lineup. Though rooting is so simple and virtually risk free. There are some great roms out there to throw on and really make the phone zoom with many benchmarks surpassing the evo with ease.
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Some prefer the deeper blacks and better color of a screen that's only .3" smaller. To make the decision based on paper specs just doesn't make sense. Also, many of the arguments here have been gone over in great deatil in other threads. Just search "Evo Epic" and see the threads that surface.
my advise, go to spring store play with both and decide wich one you want. for me it was the epic cause it has a keyboard.. all i hear from other users is how crappy and worthless the epic 4g is but im guessing they dont know how to use their phones because ive had mine for 2 weeks and its working perfectly and i love it. so yeah The End.
A lot of people just don't like slide phones. Plus all the hype was around the EVO with the 4g etc. and then the backorders for months. Plus the Samsung name does not carry the same weight as HTC when people hear about phones.
Epic is great phone, but slide phones will hardly ever outsell non-sliders if the specs are similar.
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A big squared off wide heavy slab is sexy? Curves are sexy. And the evo doesn't have any.
The one big question is do you need a physical keyboard or not. If the answer is yes then there aren't any other questions. The rest comes down to preference and everyone's own highly subjective opinions of what they like and don't like in a phone.
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for me... it is the total package... add together..
the device
the sexy design... clean look.. thinner...no slider.
the mfr support
the dev support
the total package is just great.
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I been noticing on facebook and my friends most of them want to get the evo over the epic, i would like to know what makes the evo more attractive over a performance phone like the epic? i own the epic and i have tested out the evo i notice there is a like a lag on the evo and so i didn't like it plus don't like the feel of it at all. but please i would like to read comments about this...
This should help you decide. Who knows if Samsung decided all the other Galaxy S phone will face the same fate. We all know Samsung is releasing the Galaxy S2 soon. Why give us 2.2 or beyond when they can just make us pay for it with a new phone?
Some prefer the deeper blacks and better color of a screen that's only .3" smaller. To make the decision based on paper specs just doesn't make sense. Also, many of the arguments here have been gone over in great deatil in other threads. Just search "Evo Epic" and see the threads that surface.
Then what do people base their decisions on if you DON'T look at Specs. To say you don't look at specs as a decision maker is lying. Nobody buys a phone based on feelings. We are talking about the Masses.. not your XDA, rom spitting hardcore android techy.
The question on the OP is Why are people wanting the EVO over the Epic,, not Which in your opinion is better? Did you even read the Opening post?
We all Know the Epic rocks, we are just discussing why people are sipping the Evo kool-aid.
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It's Marketing 101. The EVO has 10x the media exposure of the Epic. I see EVO commercials all the time, but rarely do I see Epic commercials. If Sprint wants to tout the EVO as the latest and greatest iPhone killer on the market, and makes no mention of the Epic whatsoever, what is going to make someone even ask about an Epic when they go to Sprint to buy one? It's almost like brainwashing the masses. If they spent just as much time promoting the Epic, I guarantee you the Epic would sell more units.
The only thing that the EVO has over the Epic on paper is the bigger screen and a higher MP camera. You can't say Android 2.2 because most consumers wouldn't even know the difference, let alone care. Not to mention the Epic ships with a 16GB microSD vs the Epic's 8GB.
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It's Marketing 101. The EVO has 10x the media exposure of the Epic. I see EVO commercials all the time, but rarely do I see Epic commercials. If Sprint wants to tout the EVO as the latest and greatest iPhone killer on the market, and makes no mention of the Epic whatsoever, what is going to make someone even ask about an Epic when they go to Sprint to buy one? It's almost like brainwashing the masses. If they spent just as much time promoting the Epic, I guarantee you the Epic would sell more units.
The only thing that the EVO has over the Epic on paper is the bigger screen and a higher MP camera. You can't say Android 2.2 because most consumers wouldn't even know the difference, let alone care. Not to mention the Epic ships with a 16GB microSD vs the Epic's 8GB.
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This pretty much sums it up:
- All I see are EVO commercials. I can't remember seeing an Epic spot.
- Very, very few people outside of a handful of geeks on this forum even know what 2.2 is. I mention 2.2 to others who look at my phone or actually have the EVO and they look at me like 'sure..., whatever'... 2.2 is not a factor for the masses.
Reading through this thread is making me change my mind from wanting an Evo to wanting an Epic when I upgrade in March '11.
I had a Samsung Moment that had charging issues, lag issues (even w/ a 800 MHz proc), update (or no updates) issues. I was leaning toward the Evo simply because its HTC and not Samsung.
But after having lived with a Sanyo Zio (screen kbd only) service/repair replacement for my Sammy Moment, I see that I really do require a hard keyboard.
I think my first choice for the upgrade will be the Epic, if its "all that" then I'll just keep it and rock on. 2.2 will probably be on the Epic from the factory by then.
Keep on posting the advantages of the Epic over the Evo, I am becoming a convert, thanks!
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It's Marketing 101. The EVO has 10x the media exposure of the Epic. I see EVO commercials all the time, but rarely do I see Epic commercials. If Sprint wants to tout the EVO as the latest and greatest iPhone killer on the market, and makes no mention of the Epic whatsoever, what is going to make someone even ask about an Epic when they go to Sprint to buy one? It's almost like brainwashing the masses. If they spent just as much time promoting the Epic, I guarantee you the Epic would sell more units.
The only thing that the EVO has over the Epic on paper is the bigger screen and a higher MP camera. You can't say Android 2.2 because most consumers wouldn't even know the difference, let alone care. Not to mention the Epic ships with a 16GB microSD vs the Epic's 8GB.
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all i know is that my cousin got the evo and i play with it for a while and i was like WTF look at all this lag... he might not have seen it being that that is his first android device.
Evo has tons of mods? The guys at xda have modified the entire file system to make it even that much faster. They have 2.2 running on it pretty smooth, and I'm sure it will see 2.3 before the evo does thanks to them. More responsive? Don't see that either, and I've owned both phones.
ummm ya 2.3 is running on EVO
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Some don't mind losing screen real estate when typing. I can't stand it. I appreciate the better contrast on the screen as well. It's also lighter and fits better in thehand with its more rounded edges and softer curves. All the above is just my opinion.
ummmm the epic has worse contrast, better VIBRANCY(big whoop)
but lets keep talking crap on each other's phones.. that seems helpful
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all i know is that my cousin got the evo and i play with it for a while and i was like WTF look at all this lag... he might not have seen it being that that is his first android device.
If you put 47 widgets and battery monitors and task killers on your phone, anything will lag. My phone doesn't lag for web browsing, text, email, youtube, pandora, any games at all..
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Considering about 98% of us wouldn't even know about that defect unless you pointed it out, it's not a widespread issue. Also considering neither thread lasted over a page it's even more obvious. One guy narrowed it down to a dock issue and not the screen itself. And another guy was even dumb enouh to pay sprint $35 to exchange the phone when samsung would've sent him a replacement for free. Insurance? It's a warranty issue.
If you're going to make an argument, bring one that has legs.
who is more satisfied with their EVO vs EPIC... over-all satisfaction
not the number of owners.. but percentage.
(i know .. this is the epic forum.. so it will be skewed)
Reading through this thread is making me change my mind from wanting an Evo to wanting an Epic when I upgrade in March '11.
It'll be interesting to see if Sprint announces anything at MWC or CTIA (I don't think their 2/7 event is going to be phone-related). Who knows, maybe they'll even have something new available in March or soon thereafter. I've been predicting June for the Evo/Epic replacement (and first new webOS device on Sprint), but with the Moto Atrix rumored to be available on March 1, I'm starting to think things might be accelerated.
I just bought my Epic because I really don't have anything good to use (my Pre is on its last legs) between now and March. If I did, I'd probably wait until after February clears out to see what the plans might be. I have a feeling I'll be salivating at new stuff in Q2 and wondering whether I can wait until my upgrade or I'll break down and buy something at full price.
If you like a keyboard, you don't want an Evo, if you like a larger screen and no slider, you don't want an Epic.
Not everything supports DLNA, if you need HDMI, you need an Evo.
To excuse not having Froyo because consumers don't get that simply boggles. The Epic's true cpu power is being held hostage - and in the Epic's chipset for GPS, available cpu resources are of paramount importance.
Both are great devices in their own right.
The OP asked why people prefer an Evo, and yet every positive claim seems to me to be dismissed as subject to ridicule. Perhaps these points may fare better. Either way, these are facts.
Another is that I'm thankful to live in a world where there's room for people to think differently.
When someone invents the perfect phone, we'll all buy one. It doesn't exist, it's not the Epic, and perfectly well informed people make logical, non-Epic choices sometimes.
To understand that is to step into a larger world.
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Considering about 98% of us wouldn't even know about that defect unless you pointed it out, it's not a widespread issue. Also considering neither thread lasted over a page it's even more obvious. One guy narrowed it down to a dock issue and not the screen itself. And another guy was even dumb enouh to pay sprint $35 to exchange the phone when samsung would've sent him a replacement for free. Insurance? It's a warranty issue.
If you're going to make an argument, bring one that has legs.
Just as a heads up I've been on the phone with Samsung multiple times after they didn't fix the screen wobble and strange back button behavior. Oh and the ham sandwich it smells like. edit: I'm a bit of a neat freak and this is the way the phone came back to me from warranty work with a greasy substance all over the back side.
They will not do exchanges (it's in the warranty). Only repairs. It usually takes a week for them to even look at your phone.
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actually, they will replace phones, but it is at their discretion. It is in the warranty. It starts at saying they will repair or replace the defective part, but they do go on to say...
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reconditioned or new Product.
Honestly, I think it comes down to personal preference. I love my Epic. I haven't rooted and I haven't had problems.
For me the quality of the screen was the main selling point. I didn't like the Evo screen when I held them side by side. To me the Epic's resolution, contrast, and vibrancy blew the Evo away. I guess it comes down to personal preference.
I still like my physical keyboard for some tasks. Now that the Evo has a smaller brother with a keyboard, this may not be much of a deciding factor anymore. I will say that my Epic's physical keyboard is the best physical keyboard on any phone I've had ever. I haven't tested the new Evo physical keyboard though.
I am annoyed that we still don't have Froyo. And I doubt we could even dream to ever get Gingerbread since Samsung will move on from the Galaxy S line soon enough. But that is the way it is with technology these days. Your phone becomes obsolete if not as soon as it's released, then within six months these days. Great change is afoot.
I will say that I'm somewhat dissatisfied with battery life. I have two batteries now with a separate charger but still.
Over all I love my Epic. I even use the hotspot for internet access for my desktop computer. We have 4g now in Oakland but it's a little temperamental. I hope they improve the network from here because the Wimax speeds are nice when you can get a good signal.
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Advertisement. I see a Evo commercial probably 4 or 5 times a day. I've seen a Epic commercial probably 10 times total. I chose the Epic, better screen, physical keyboard, better camera/video recording. Everyone I talk to is too hung up on the specs on paper. Evo may have a higher resolution camera and bigger screen but both fall short to the Epic IMO.
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Pretty much the point trying to be made throughout the thread. Figure out what features you NEED, then the features you want. And then see which shortcomings your willing to live with. And then you've found your phone. If anyone tells you their phone is 100% the perfect phone, they're are pretty much lying, and most likely buying a new phone when their year is up anyway.
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And how about the screen separation issues with EVO early on?
Even with 2.2, the EVO screen is not even as smooth as EPIC on 2.1! When you slide the home screens, the EVO does not look smooth...the motion of the sliding screens look cheap, compared to the smoothness of the EPIC and Iphone4.
EPIC owners also have less to worry about when it comes to screen protection....
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Reason: attacking each other instead of issues
I got my EVO almost a month ago. before which I have been waiting for my upgrade to come due. during the time of both releases.. I have been researching my next phone on sprint.
The only two choices for me: EVO or EPIC
that is why i am in both forums.. so that I can learn more from both sides of the fence. since making my decision to get the EVO (my sis has the EPIC), i still enjoy to keep hearing about both sides. and when I hear info that is not correct, or when someone ask for an opinion.. I give it.
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Reason: attack issues, don't respond to personal remarks
Yes, it's obvious why dan330 is on this forum, his post above states why.
The forums are open to everyone, regardless of their motivation, so long as they post within the rules and guidelines.
Attack issues and not each other.
There's no such thing as defending yourself when attacked - there's only counter-attack.
If either of you has issue with the other's posts, you hit the !Report button and let the mod staff sort it out. We are the only ones to sort anyone here out.
The site rules and guidelines are available in my sig. It accompanies every infraction we give out - and that's what coming next to the next person(s) seeing any need to further this bickering.
And it won't be for further disrespectful posting - it will be the higher penalty of failure to heed a mod's warning.
Anyone wanting to take a hard line defending their beloved phone, fine. Anyone wishing to clarify their remarks when questioned, fine. Anyone wanting to post anything on-topic within Da Rules - fine.
Even with 2.2, the EVO screen is not even as smooth as EPIC on 2.1! When you slide the home screens, the EVO does not look smooth...the motion of the sliding screens look cheap, compared to the smoothness of the EPIC and Iphone4.
I don't know if you had a bogged down phone or a cheap first edition floor model on 2.1, but the sliding between home screens is flawless, and follows my finger movement exactly - there is nothing un-smooth about it.
My stock EVO is running high 1200s in quadrants consistently, I have never experienced any lag that Thai or javier claim the EVO is plagued with.
I've watched EVO scratch test vids, and haven't had a screen protector since day one. The screen is constantly banging off change and keys in my pocket and doesn't have a mark. If you have less to worry about more power to you, but I don't know how you worry less than not at all.
I'm not here to talk you out of your Epic, enjoy it. Just correcting misinformation and taking a snipe or two back for my time.
HTC was using Samsung on screens until they stated that they couldn't meet worldwide demand and decided to keep S/AMOLED screens to themselves (new facility is supposed to come online this year). The Evo came out almost immediately after that transition point in the supply chain.
Because they don't make their own displays, HTC has had need of at least two (and possibly / probably three) display suppliers, and from user reports that I trust, there have been 3 different touchscreen sensors so far in its production life.
No doubt some combinations of those are better or worse. It seems that HTC leveled these all out with one of the later software updates, as well as removing its pesky 30 fps limiting cap on all display operations.
So, I don't doubt anyone's experience, good or bad, there's plenty of explanation for either direction on this one, with the bad happening more towards the earlier combinations of things.
Having never met a phone I didn't think required rooting and improvement, I simply replaced the HTC kernel with one tuned to my speed requirements earlier on in my ownership. Those same changes HTC basically incorporated into their mainline production as I mentioned above.
Unlike HTC who only integrates hardware, Samsung makes chips, displays and integrated products and therefore has more control in their own supply chain and therefore the Epic appears to have had more consistency presented to the end users.
Shifting subjects, personally, my opinion is that the horror stories in bad displays on both sides is the result of lemons making their way out of manufacturing, past QA+QC, and into consumers' hands. The information of sales and complaints suggests that both products, Evo and Epic, are quite solid but both makers have room to improve in this critical area.
PS before the next argument breaks out - Quadrant scores have nothing - zero, zip, nada - to do with lag / response times for the user interface.
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I'm not doubting anyone has seen an Evo lagging, but to describe it in its present state as laggy is misleading. If your Evo is laggy now for anything you should take it down and get a new one under warranty.
I brought up quadrant scores in response to lag in general...
I'm not doubting anyone has seen an Evo lagging, but to describe it in its present state as laggy is misleading.
But not necessarily intentionally so. One could see a "current" Evo that's either not updated or poorly configured and conclude that it's a crappy phone because of lag.
The Epic's sister phone, the Capivate, has several threads dedicated to lagfixing.
No phone is immune to bad or late updates - and EVERY phone is subject to decent configuring for performance.
If a buddy's phone is suffering that and you're unfamiliar with he's done, you'd conclude that that _IS_ the present state for that model.
Perfectly understandable.
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I brought up quadrant scores in response to lag in general...
I got that ahead of time, hence my comment.
Sometimes a benchmark can show causality, other times it just shows coincidence.
So when updates and configuration improve overall performance, one typically sees increases in benchmarking scores.
However, I can and have played with kernel configurations to get my Evo to score nearly 1700 on Quadrant. Linpack fell to an all time low and the phone ran like a dog, but the Quadrant score was amazing.
I would claim that with sufficient time and resource, I could prove that on any higher-powered phone.
It's for that reason that I caution use of Quadrant scores in these sorts of discussions - no telling what others have experienced in this regard, and a high Quadrant score on your phone won't override their own personal experiences using a poor Evo.
Again - these statements really apply to all Android phone comparisons using benchmarks.
Exactly why I dismiss shoot-outs right from the get-go, but that's me.
-javier- ... this explains the observations about the Evo that you tested out and drew conclusions from.
To conclude or believe that the Epic is Sprint's only higher performance phone is incorrect. There are now three and likely more models on the way this year.
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I been noticing on facebook and my friends most of them want to get the evo over the epic, i would like to know what makes the evo more attractive over a performance phone like the epic? i own the epic and i have tested out the evo i notice there is a like a lag on the evo and so i didn't like it plus don't like the feel of it at all. but please i would like to read comments about this...
A lot of it has to do with the Froyo thing and also it seems like Sprint is favoring the Evo lately in all its ads you hardly see anything about the Epic any more so if thats what is being pushed thats what people are going to look at first. It does seem lately that Epic has become the second fiddle maybe even third to the Evo slider in the Android 4G line up at Sprint.
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It truly is only a matter of preference. I have played with other Android devices including Motorola's Droid X, my wife's Epic and even iPhones 3G and 4. I also include other Evo's in this list. I've picked up Evo's and said "ewww...this sucks", simply because I didn't like the way it was setup or it felt laggy compared to mine. I personally am not a Sense fan so I go with Launcher Pro. Others despise it and are die-hard Sense users. Still more use ADW or something else. Some pick a Fresh ROM, Myn's, AOSP, MIUI or many others too numerous to mention. It's all about choice and thats the beauty of Android. Strange how I can put a no-HAVS CFS kernel on my EVO yet others use BFS and more HAVS and have success. My wifes Epic feels alien to me so I don't like it. Does that make it a bad phone because "I" don't like it. Heck no, she loves her phone. To be fair, I've been asked to root other Evo's and hate what others have done to their phone. Still others shutter at the thought of rooting their phone. Bottom line is this. If YOU like it then it is the best thing since sliced bread. Be thankful you can afford it and relish in the power and utility it grants you in the palm of your hand. Although I readily once took part in this debate; upon further review, I realize how ridiculous it really is.
actually, they will replace phones, but it is at their discretion. It is in the warranty. It starts at saying they will repair or replace the defective part, but they do go on to say...
Im on my third epic replacement. Each one ive has had serious issues. Ive googled all the issues from all phone and found many other that had the same exact problems. THe latest problem is my calls go straight to voicemail at any given time and sometimes i call out and the phone never connects. My 3g icon disapears at any given time even when I have great signal. I get no data connection errors a lot of times and the service in my my area is running with no problems.. I just ordered a evo shift last night, SCREW SAMSUCK!
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I'm looking to upgrade from the TP2 to either the EVO or Epic. right now i'm leaning Epic because of the display and general snappiness of the UI & games. The only thing that's kept me from upgrading is the lack of 2.2 update and the status of any other future updates like gingerbread.
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1. This being an extremely frustrated users group, we get warnings, hand-slaps and closed threads all the time. Welcome aboard.
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I'm looking to upgrade from the TP2 to either the EVO or Epic. right now i'm leaning Epic because of the display and general snappiness of the UI & games. The only thing that's kept me from upgrading is the lack of 2.2 update and the status of any other future updates like gingerbread.
2. If you ask the EVO users, they can play all the games just as well as Epic (except maybe one and the devs are working on that), so I wouldn't base your decision on the phone's ability to play games.
3. Generally, if you want a keyboard and like the phone the way it is, then get the Epic. If you want a kickstand and like to tinker around with your phone a lot, then get the EVO.
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Why the evo over the epic?
Same people that kept calling the pixi ugly before they actually had their hands on one.
