Go Back   Android Forums > Android Phones > Samsung Fascinate

test: Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old July 13th, 2010, 03:45 PM   #51 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 173
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Default

Cancelled my Inc order for this today. I hope i didnt make a mistake..

Advertisements
Droidable is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old July 13th, 2010, 03:48 PM   #52 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 91
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droidable View Post
Cancelled my Inc order for this today. I hope i didnt make a mistake..
You did the right thing.
OldSmoky is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2010, 07:03 AM   #53 (permalink)
Member
 
Nicks88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX by way of Long Island, NY
Posts: 337
 
Device(s): HTC Incredible
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 5
Thanked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSmoky View Post
You did the right thing.
+1
Nicks88 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2010, 07:23 AM   #54 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 386
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don S View Post
This phone will be out WAY sooner than Thanksgiving. It will likely have 2.2 by Thanksgiving time period I bet even. There is no way the other 3 carriers release this phone this month, and VZW waits 4.5 more months.. There is no info available of course on this, so it's anyone's guess for now. Mine is August ..
I know VZW has been better about this recently, but they have released phones a full year after the other carriers released theirs. Just being pessimistic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don S View Post
Kidding about what? I said that the other 3 carriers are releasing the phone this month, and there is NO WAY that VZ will be waiting another 4+ months to release theirs .. You are the one who said you are betting on around Thanksgiving for VZ ... It's all speculation anyway until we hear something from VZW...
That was me.

[Edit:]
News says the T-Mo and ATT Galaxy have been rooted already and the CDMA ones shouldn't be much more difficult. The biggest turnoff of the Droid X is the locked bootloader (to me) and probable lack of custom ROMs. So this makes the Fascinate that much more, umm, fascinating.
supersaki is offline  
Last edited by supersaki; July 14th, 2010 at 07:29 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #55 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Don S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bayville, NJ USA
Posts: 604
 
Device(s): Samsung GS4, iPad 3, Motorola XOOM :-)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 108
Thanked 227 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Well I do have to say it appears more likely now than 2 days ago that there will be some VZW delay. It's odd how some blog sites are saying not to worry about it missing in the ad, but don't give a reason why we shouldn't worry. In any case, I am not very happy at this point, and don't know what to expect as far as a release timeframe now. I really wish VZW would just tell us something ..
Don S is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2010, 12:12 PM   #56 (permalink)
Member
 
droid_head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 253
 
Device(s): Motorola Razr Maxx
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 17
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSmoky View Post
You did the right thing.
+1

Quote:
Well I do have to say it appears more likely now than 2 days ago that there will be some VZW delay. It's odd how some blog sites are saying not to worry about it missing in the ad, but don't give a reason why we shouldn't worry. In any case, I am not very happy at this point, and don't know what to expect as far as a release timeframe now. I really wish VZW would just tell us something ..
The number of Android phones is starting to create a "marketing traffic jam" and that's about it in a nutshell. I think the Droid X kind of put a wrench in the works so to speak. Here's the positive points:

1. there's already videos out with phone in hand
2. there's already a full blown commercial made by Samsung
3. the Galaxy's are set to be launched with other carriers and we know damn well Verizon is not going to miss out on the thunder.

This phone is in the waiting and if you scale it against other phones in regard to HYPE vs. RELEASE DATE, then I think we will see this phone in the next month IMHO.
droid_head is offline  
Last edited by droid_head; July 14th, 2010 at 12:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2010, 12:26 PM   #57 (permalink)
Member
 
Nicks88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX by way of Long Island, NY
Posts: 337
 
Device(s): HTC Incredible
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 5
Thanked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by supersaki View Post
news says the t-mo and att galaxy have been rooted already and the cdma ones shouldn't be much more difficult. The biggest turnoff of the droid x is the locked bootloader (to me) and probable lack of custom roms. So this makes the fascinate that much more, umm, fascinating.
+ 100
Nicks88 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2010, 11:13 PM   #58 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 386
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don S View Post
Well I do have to say it appears more likely now than 2 days ago that there will be some VZW delay. It's odd how some blog sites are saying not to worry about it missing in the ad, but don't give a reason why we shouldn't worry. In any case, I am not very happy at this point, and don't know what to expect as far as a release timeframe now. I really wish VZW would just tell us something ..
It may not ease your concerns much, but you really can't go by their 'summer catalogues'. They will show phones in it that don't come out for months, while others not in there will come sooner. It is by no means a complete listing of their phones, just phones they want to feature for one reason or another ($$$).

With that said, I still don't think we'd see the Fascinate til September at the earliest. I would love to eat crow on this one, however.
supersaki is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 15th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #59 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Orange County
Posts: 16
 
Device(s): None
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

i'm also skeptical on releasing fascinate soon. even though other carriers launch galaxy s phones, it doesn't mean that verizon also has to.

more incredible coming in aug (for right size phone users)
verizon's best partner company's droid x coming tmr (for big screen lovers)
another moto's droid 2 coming soon (for qwerty users)

Those three are already attractive to the normal users who don't care about rooting.
Also, VZW has some kind of special relationship with motorola as anyone can tell, so there is no reason to risk of selling another well made phone (fascinate) to decrease the number of motorola's phone sale.

other carriers have galaxy s, and there seems not much people who will change the carrier just for that samsung phone. verizon already have attractive phone and some are coming, and VZW knows it.

Even if I could decide on fascinate's launch date, i would delay it as much as i can.
I know, it sucks, but there are bunch of people who don't even know what fascinate is and don't even care about it.
arusky is offline  
Last edited by arusky; July 15th, 2010 at 12:55 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old July 15th, 2010, 08:34 AM   #60 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Don S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bayville, NJ USA
Posts: 604
 
Device(s): Samsung GS4, iPad 3, Motorola XOOM :-)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 108
Thanked 227 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arusky View Post
i'm also skeptical on releasing fascinate soon. even though other carriers launch galaxy s phones, it doesn't mean that verizon also has to.

more incredible coming in aug (for right size phone users)
verizon's best partner company's droid x coming tmr (for big screen lovers)
another moto's droid 2 coming soon (for qwerty users)

Those three are already attractive to the normal users who don't care about rooting.
Also, VZW has some kind of special relationship with motorola as anyone can tell, so there is no reason to risk of selling another well made phone (fascinate) to decrease the number of motorola's phone sale.

other carriers have galaxy s, and there seems not much people who will change the carrier just for that samsung phone. verizon already have attractive phone and some are coming, and VZW knows it.

Even if I could decide on fascinate's launch date, i would delay it as much as i can.
I know, it sucks, but there are bunch of people who don't even know what fascinate is and don't even care about it.
Of course many folks don't know about the Fascinate, simply because Verizon is purposely doing everything they can to keep it quiet, for the exact reasons you stated above IMO.

Having said that, it would seem to benefit no consumer for this to be delayed. It may help Verizon in some convoluted way (maybe they'll make more money from a Droid X sale than from a Samsung? Who knows.. Even if they somhow earn a little more from a Moto sale, there is no way that releasing this phone now would result in LESS overall sales for VZ, while delaying it as long as they are could result in exactly that however).

In any case there are many, many downsides to VZ and to the consumer with a delay of this. Think about it. If this thing releases in late September, or October say.. And rumored Android 3.0 GINGERBREAD comes out in late November, this phone could be 2 OS's behind in Android within a month of release - with many, many other BETTER, awesome Android phones rumored for the end of this year.

Perhaps there is some advantage to waiting somewhere, but all I see are disadvantages ..
Don S is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old July 15th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #61 (permalink)
New Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: VA
Posts: 9
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I read something today that mentioned late August possibly because MS won't have Bing ready for another 6 weeks. IMHO going with Bing is a mistake so hopefully we can replace it with Google Maps. I was going to go with the X but after hearing about the locked boot loader and self destruct I am going to wait and see what the Fascinate has to offer. Even if I don't want to root or do custom roms I think it should be up to me not them.

BTW I have a Omnia that runs WiMo and its 5 mp camera is very very good for a camera on a phone anyway. And it is excellent in low light. MP don't need to be high to get a good picture just need quality.
1hotlx is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 15th, 2010, 02:39 PM   #62 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Don S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bayville, NJ USA
Posts: 604
 
Device(s): Samsung GS4, iPad 3, Motorola XOOM :-)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 108
Thanked 227 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1hotlx View Post
I read something today that mentioned late August possibly because MS won't have Bing ready for another 6 weeks. IMHO going with Bing is a mistake so hopefully we can replace it with Google Maps. I was going to go with the X but after hearing about the locked boot loader and self destruct I am going to wait and see what the Fascinate has to offer. Even if I don't want to root or do custom roms I think it should be up to me not them.

BTW I have a Omnia that runs WiMo and its 5 mp camera is very very good for a camera on a phone anyway. And it is excellent in low light. MP don't need to be high to get a good picture just need quality.
Yeah, it's all guesses at this point for a release date.

As for the camera, it does look to be pretty nice I noticed. Reviews have been up and down for the still camera, but there are only a few examples photos around. The few I that have seen are nice though (like these do - especially if you size them to your screen ). The video camera looks great to me, among the best out there at all on a camera phone IMO.

It will be nice when it arrives ..
Don S is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2010, 08:57 AM   #63 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 34
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 9
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droidable View Post
Cancelled my Inc order for this today. I hope i didnt make a mistake..
I did the same thing. I literally had the Dinc in my amazon cart ready to check out. Even still being on an Alltel contract(divested), I was willing to bite. Reading around while I was waiting for my son to bring me my CC, I found the fascinate. Canceled the Dinc order. Now I'm playing the waiting game too.

I saw the comparison pics between the Fasc and X. I played with the X a couple days ago, and it was awesome, just too big. I thought the Fasc would be smaller, and it is, just not as much a difference as I thought it'd be.
F34R is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2010, 12:17 PM   #64 (permalink)
Member
 
droid_head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 253
 
Device(s): Motorola Razr Maxx
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 17
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by F34R View Post
I did the same thing. I literally had the Dinc in my amazon cart ready to check out. Even still being on an Alltel contract(divested), I was willing to bite. Reading around while I was waiting for my son to bring me my CC, I found the fascinate. Canceled the Dinc order. Now I'm playing the waiting game too.

I saw the comparison pics between the Fasc and X. I played with the X a couple days ago, and it was awesome, just too big. I thought the Fasc would be smaller, and it is, just not as much a difference as I thought it'd be.
you made a good choice. i think there are going to be a lot of issues down the road with the Incs. Just look at the Inc forum already.

As far as the release date, as fast as these Android phones are flying at us, and technology advancing, Verizon is going to have to do something. Logic tells me that this phone will come out in Aug. or Sept. Just my opinion - not trying to state fact here as obviously I don't have any proof, so no attacks please.
droid_head is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2010, 03:00 PM   #65 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 173
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Default

I caved and got the X. Any developments in the next 30 days will determine if i keep it though. Im gonna stop in ATT to check out the captivate just to get an idea of what its gonna be like compared to the X.
Droidable is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #66 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 91
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droidable View Post
I caved and got the X. Any developments in the next 30 days will determine if i keep it though. Im gonna stop in ATT to check out the captivate just to get an idea of what its gonna be like compared to the X.
I too bought the X. I've had it since Thursday, and I can't say enough good about. I don't have one complaint about it.
OldSmoky is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2010, 08:45 PM   #67 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 173
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Default

Over on another very popular forum i visit there hasnt been a post in the Fascinate pre release thread since the 16th! Its like nobody cares about this thing being launched
Droidable is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #68 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 91
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droidable View Post
Over on another very popular forum i visit there hasnt been a post in the Fascinate pre release thread since the 16th! Its like nobody cares about this thing being launched
For one Motorola generated a lot of interest through leaks. Also Motorola has a good history with Verizon and its users. Motorola delivered a great phone in the Droid so there is a lot of anticipation in the Droid X and Droid 2. Also, people see how Motorola is continuing to support the original Droid.

On the other hand Samsung is a lesser known quantity in the smart phone business with Verizon. They announced this phone in March, but didn't announce it's availability on Verizon until June 30 It's like they've been saying, "we got some really cool--just hold on. Trust us." Yeah, it sounds great, but show us your cards Samsung. From what I've read in the forums, Samsung has a poor history of supporting their phones.

Maybe Apple could get away with trying to generate that much interest with such a long lead time, but not Samsung. If Samsung is going to get a big foothold with Verizon users, it seems like they should make the full retail pricing very attractive so customers who are under contract can try it out. I don't see them knocking Motorola off their perch for a while without that.
OldSmoky is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2010, 12:14 PM   #69 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 386
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droidable View Post
Over on another very popular forum i visit there hasnt been a post in the Fascinate pre release thread since the 16th! Its like nobody cares about this thing being launched
Not much to report really.. Everything to say has been said. It's all wait-and-see now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSmoky View Post
For one Motorola generated a lot of interest through leaks. Also Motorola has a good history with Verizon and its users. Motorola delivered a great phone in the Droid so there is a lot of anticipation in the Droid X and Droid 2. Also, people see how Motorola is continuing to support the original Droid.

On the other hand Samsung is a lesser known quantity in the smart phone business with Verizon. They announced this phone in March, but didn't announce it's availability on Verizon until June 30 It's like they've been saying, "we got some really cool--just hold on. Trust us." Yeah, it sounds great, but show us your cards Samsung. From what I've read in the forums, Samsung has a poor history of supporting their phones.

Maybe Apple could get away with trying to generate that much interest with such a long lead time, but not Samsung. If Samsung is going to get a big foothold with Verizon users, it seems like they should make the full retail pricing very attractive so customers who are under contract can try it out. I don't see them knocking Motorola off their perch for a while without that.
Before the Droid, Motorola was on it's way out of the cellphone business. Of course I don't know the closed door dealings they did with VZW, but I'm betting they made quite a few concessions with their Android phones to get VZW support for the device. I'm guessing it's all of Moto's top tier android phones go to VZW exclusively, with maybe some greased palms to the VZW execs in the room.

As far as Samsung goes, they've never really promoted their phones heavily with any company. Retail pricing isn't something they will flex much on, and even so, VZW wouldn't promote it because retail phone sales is less than a drop in the bucket towards their revenue.

It's going to be a great phone, it's going to come out eventually. I'm glad it's not as hyped as the Droid X because then I can walk into a local VZW and pick it up without the hassle of lines/out of stock.
supersaki is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #70 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rushmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 7,812
 
Device(s): S4, iPad Air, Note 2014 10.1, Dell V11 5130, Nvidia Shield. Yes- too many devices.
Carrier: VZW

Thanks: 403
Thanked 1,379 Times in 968 Posts
Default

I am hoping it is hush hush since they are still trying to decide if the VZW version will have 16gb instead of the SAD 2gb

I would gladly take the 16gb of built-in memory over a flash- for a phone. Even my N900 does not do as good a job as a basic stand-alone digital camera.
rushmore is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old July 20th, 2010, 07:25 PM   #71 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rushmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 7,812
 
Device(s): S4, iPad Air, Note 2014 10.1, Dell V11 5130, Nvidia Shield. Yes- too many devices.
Carrier: VZW

Thanks: 403
Thanked 1,379 Times in 968 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by supersaki View Post
I know VZW has been better about this recently, but they have released phones a full year after the other carriers released theirs. Just being pessimistic.



That was me.

[Edit:]
News says the T-Mo and ATT Galaxy have been rooted already and the CDMA ones shouldn't be much more difficult. The biggest turnoff of the Droid X is the locked bootloader (to me) and probable lack of custom ROMs. So this makes the Fascinate that much more, umm, fascinating.
What good is root, unless the Hummingbird drivers can be augmented for future roms? This will not be as easy as the good old days of just a few chipsets.
rushmore is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 12:11 AM   #72 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,011
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 24
Thanked 79 Times in 40 Posts
Default

Well, I think the 2 GB is so the Fascinate does not encroach on the Droid X and Droid Incredible (and upcoming Droid 2) phones.

So sad. If this thing had 16 GB and front facing camera, far less people would care about a Verizon iPhone.
Bearly is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 12:12 AM   #73 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,011
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 24
Thanked 79 Times in 40 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droidable View Post
Cancelled my Inc order for this today. I hope i didnt make a mistake..
And when do you think this will be released? Serious question.

What's your impression so far?
Bearly is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 06:49 AM   #74 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 46
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

of course this won't answer any lingering questions about availability, but the Wall Street Journal had a full page ad on Monday from Samsung announcing the Galaxy S with all the carriers listed... Had Verizon and a few others (don't recall them all) listed as "soon"...

:-(
pw-man is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 09:44 AM   #75 (permalink)
NKT
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,571
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 58
Thanked 3,029 Times in 481 Posts
Default

Well, it's just now being released for testing. Give it 6-8 weeks before it's launched.
NKT is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 11:38 AM   #76 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 386
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 6
Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rushmore View Post
What good is root, unless the Hummingbird drivers can be augmented for future roms? This will not be as easy as the good old days of just a few chipsets.
If the G1 can get froyo unofficially, I'm pretty confident the Galaxy will be getting Android updates officially or unofficially for the life of the phone.
supersaki is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 11:47 AM   #77 (permalink)
Member
 
droid_head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 253
 
Device(s): Motorola Razr Maxx
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 17
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by supersaki View Post
If the G1 can get froyo unofficially, I'm pretty confident the Galaxy will be getting Android updates officially or unofficially for the life of the phone.
I would think that any Android phone maker would allow this capability. Otherwise, it would be counterintuitive.
droid_head is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 01:14 PM   #78 (permalink)
Member
 
greenrolaids's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 484
 
Device(s): InCredible
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 24
Thanked 79 Times in 44 Posts
Default

my 2 cents..

Its good timing that the Droid x and the Droid 2 are coming out.
Im guessing that the fascinate will allow verizon to have the first official phone to come out with 2.2 stock out of the box.
__________________
Phonage = PPC6600, HTC ppc6700, HTC ppc6800, HTC PPC6900, Iphone 3g, Google G1, Blackberry Storm, HTC INCREDIBLE, Returned DroidX back to Incredible NOW THUNDERBOLTED Sold Thunderbolt, Now back to the incredible, Bought a Droid Charge to hold me off until the S3 comes out. Sold DRoid shittyCharge and bought a Razr Maxx to keep my Unlimited Data plan that verizon will kill off the summer of 2012.
greenrolaids is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 02:09 PM   #79 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 302
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 9
Thanked 45 Times in 19 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenrolaids View Post
my 2 cents..

Its good timing that the Droid x and the Droid 2 are coming out.
Im guessing that the fascinate will allow verizon to have the first official phone to come out with 2.2 stock out of the box.
There is already 90% chance that Droid 2 is coming out with 2.2 stock, as seen in screenshots. My worry is that when Fascinate comes out (late aug ~ early oct) it will still have 2.1 and when it gets 2.2, 3.0 will already be out.
ghdtpdna is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 03:38 PM   #80 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 49
 
Device(s): Droid X
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 3
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghdtpdna View Post
There is already 90% chance that Droid 2 is coming out with 2.2 stock, as seen in screenshots. My worry is that when Fascinate comes out (late aug ~ early oct) it will still have 2.1 and when it gets 2.2, 3.0 will already be out.
I agree. The Fascinate is not a concern for Verizon. Their Droid series is what they are worried about. Since the Droid 2 is almost certainly going to run 2.2, Verizon has a pretty slick roundup.

My fears are that the masses will flock to the heavily marketed Droid phones and the Fascinate will be a commercial failure. Samsung will be Samsung and completely cut support then we'll have to root for 2.2 and 3.0.

Thank god Samsung understands that their support sucks. They did the community a favor by making the Galaxy S phones so open. Because there are about 16 million different Galaxy S variants, I'm sure the Fascinate will be able to tag along with many community improvements.
ImSpartacus is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old July 21st, 2010, 03:54 PM   #81 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rushmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 7,812
 
Device(s): S4, iPad Air, Note 2014 10.1, Dell V11 5130, Nvidia Shield. Yes- too many devices.
Carrier: VZW

Thanks: 403
Thanked 1,379 Times in 968 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by supersaki View Post
If the G1 can get froyo unofficially, I'm pretty confident the Galaxy will be getting Android updates officially or unofficially for the life of the phone.
The difference being legacy drivers, since Android used G1's as dev devices for over a year. No such luxury with Hummingbird.
rushmore is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 08:08 PM   #82 (permalink)
NKT
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,571
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 58
Thanked 3,029 Times in 481 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenrolaids View Post
my 2 cents..

Its good timing that the Droid x and the Droid 2 are coming out.
Im guessing that the fascinate will allow verizon to have the first official phone to come out with 2.2 stock out of the box.
Droid 2 will be the first with 2.2 upon launch.
NKT is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2010, 09:04 PM   #83 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 49
 
Device(s): Droid X
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 3
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rushmore View Post
The difference being legacy drivers, since Android used G1's as dev devices for over a year. No such luxury with Hummingbird.
Hmm, that's an interesting point.

God, I keep getting pushed back to the DInc! The DInc is great, but the screen and battery life could certainly be better.
ImSpartacus is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 07:54 AM   #84 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rushmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 7,812
 
Device(s): S4, iPad Air, Note 2014 10.1, Dell V11 5130, Nvidia Shield. Yes- too many devices.
Carrier: VZW

Thanks: 403
Thanked 1,379 Times in 968 Posts
Default

As long as people appreciate that unless a homebrew dev figures a way to augment a newer OS version with Hummingbird drivers, they will probably not see gingerbread (Android 3.0 or whatever), Galaxy is a good option.

My bud is their regional rep for portable products and confirmed a while back that Samsung treats phones not much different from media players. Build it, ship it, sell it and move on to the next device. The profit margin is impacted by longterm support for software dev, when the money could be applied to the next model's cost. "Longterm" is considered anything beyond nine to twelve months.

If it is not broken, Samsung will see no reason to update, unless they see their update strategy hurts sales more than the money they save not supporting with updates. Just a small five person team costs about $450,000 (wages, benefits, equipment, office space) and this assumes in an average cost of living area.

Since I see the benefits of getting 3.0 more of a value than a little bigger screen and faster chipset, I will pass. Besides, most reviews state the Galaxy is not faster, if not a little slower in regards to interface. Battery life is about the same as the Inc, based on reviews and current users of other models.

Also do not like losing the media storage.
rushmore is offline  
Last edited by rushmore; July 22nd, 2010 at 08:03 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 09:57 AM   #85 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 49
 
Device(s): Droid X
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 3
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rushmore View Post
As long as people appreciate that unless a homebrew dev figures a way to augment a newer OS version with Hummingbird drivers, they will probably not see gingerbread (Android 3.0 or whatever), Galaxy is a good option.

My bud is their regional rep for portable products and confirmed a while back that Samsung treats phones not much different from media players. Build it, ship it, sell it and move on to the next device. The profit margin is impacted by longterm support for software dev, when the money could be applied to the next model's cost. "Longterm" is considered anything beyond nine to twelve months.

If it is not broken, Samsung will see no reason to update, unless they see their update strategy hurts sales more than the money they save not supporting with updates. Just a small five person team costs about $450,000 (wages, benefits, equipment, office space) and this assumes in an average cost of living area.

Since I see the benefits of getting 3.0 more of a value than a little bigger screen and faster chipset, I will pass. Besides, most reviews state the Galaxy is not faster, if not a little slower in regards to interface. Battery life is about the same as the Inc, based on reviews and current users of other models.

Also do not like losing the media storage.
So you don't think the community will be able to get more than 2.2 on the Galaxy S phones?

Hmmmm, that's troubling. I guess I will go for the DInc then...
ImSpartacus is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:23 PM   #86 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Wolfedude88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Plainfield, Indiana
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,754
 
Device(s): HTC Droid DNA(Red)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 357
Thanked 555 Times in 357 Posts
Default

I am not getting the Fascinate but I hope it comes out soon, I would like to see one in person and with all the phones at Verizon(Fascinate, X, Incredible, Droid 2) everyone wins. You don't like this phone, get this one, don't like this one either, here try another. So many choices, and in the end we win!!!
Wolfedude88 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 06:28 PM   #87 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
ronaldramsayii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 588
 
Device(s): Droid 1 (Dev Phone), Eventually HTC Thunderbolt
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 27
Thanked 118 Times in 72 Posts
Default

I believe the Fascinate is MORE than ready to go. The phone is crazy sick off the chain. My personal opinion if you look at the specs of the phone, it KILLS the Droid X and even the iPhone 4. It's much faster than ANY Android phone on the market, besides it's brothers/sisters whatever have you. I think if VZW released this phone during the time of Droid X and Droid 2, it would steal sales from both of them. Some people think because it looks like an iPhone in a way, it won't sell well, but I think it's the form factor of the iPhone that catches people eyes. Then they backed it up with eye candy, which is something Samsung has done quite well in my opinion.

I think if VZW released it now, it definitely would put a damping on the "Droid" line up. Samsung has done what no other phone has except for the iPhone. Graphics and performance easily outdid even the likes of the Droid X. Says a lot about it. If a great phone comes out before a good phone, the great phone will definitely win the hearts of the consumers.
__________________
Follow Me On Twitter: @IAmMik3y
ronaldramsayii is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 06:37 PM   #88 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
ronaldramsayii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 588
 
Device(s): Droid 1 (Dev Phone), Eventually HTC Thunderbolt
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 27
Thanked 118 Times in 72 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rushmore View Post
As long as people appreciate that unless a homebrew dev figures a way to augment a newer OS version with Hummingbird drivers, they will probably not see gingerbread (Android 3.0 or whatever), Galaxy is a good option.

My bud is their regional rep for portable products and confirmed a while back that Samsung treats phones not much different from media players. Build it, ship it, sell it and move on to the next device. The profit margin is impacted by longterm support for software dev, when the money could be applied to the next model's cost. "Longterm" is considered anything beyond nine to twelve months.

If it is not broken, Samsung will see no reason to update, unless they see their update strategy hurts sales more than the money they save not supporting with updates. Just a small five person team costs about $450,000 (wages, benefits, equipment, office space) and this assumes in an average cost of living area.

Since I see the benefits of getting 3.0 more of a value than a little bigger screen and faster chipset, I will pass. Besides, most reviews state the Galaxy is not faster, if not a little slower in regards to interface. Battery life is about the same as the Inc, based on reviews and current users of other models.

Also do not like losing the media storage.
I think they will update. While they may not update an entire system, I think they may provide an update of the TouchWiz, and allow the developers (us) to do the work of updating to 3.0.

But then again who knows. These phones are definitely capable of going the extra mile, but it's still in the hands of Samsung how far. I believe they should, if they want to get the last drop out of everything.

I think they may have learned their lesson from previous phones and not updating. They'll get a bunch of frustrated consumers who will switch to something else if they don't change their act up. The Behold II ended badly, so I'd expect Samsung to change up if they want to change the minds of people. As far as performance, the Captivate and the Vibrant and are pretty good to me. Testing them in person I can say they're both much faster than my OC 1.1Ghz Droid.... In benchmark tests it was faster than the competing phones except for the JIT enabled Nexus One. In the Neocore test, it started last and finished 1st in it's group. The phone speak for themselves in my opinion.
ronaldramsayii is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 06:38 PM   #89 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
ronaldramsayii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 588
 
Device(s): Droid 1 (Dev Phone), Eventually HTC Thunderbolt
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 27
Thanked 118 Times in 72 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by droid_head View Post
I would think that any Android phone maker would allow this capability. Otherwise, it would be counterintuitive.
I agree.
ronaldramsayii is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2010, 09:20 PM   #90 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Wolfedude88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Plainfield, Indiana
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,754
 
Device(s): HTC Droid DNA(Red)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 357
Thanked 555 Times in 357 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldramsayii View Post
I believe the Fascinate is MORE than ready to go. The phone is crazy sick off the chain. My personal opinion if you look at the specs of the phone, it KILLS the Droid X and even the iPhone 4. It's much faster than ANY Android phone on the market, besides it's brothers/sisters whatever have you. I think if VZW released this phone during the time of Droid X and Droid 2, it would steal sales from both of them. Some people think because it looks like an iPhone in a way, it won't sell well, but I think it's the form factor of the iPhone that catches people eyes. Then they backed it up with eye candy, which is something Samsung has done quite well in my opinion.

I think if VZW released it now, it definitely would put a damping on the "Droid" line up. Samsung has done what no other phone has except for the iPhone. Graphics and performance easily outdid even the likes of the Droid X. Says a lot about it. If a great phone comes out before a good phone, the great phone will definitely win the hearts of the consumers.

See I disagree, I don't think it would steal all the sales, it doesn't really blow them away either. A lot of benchmarks have the Droid X being faster, even though that doesn't mean a lot. If I am not mistaken isn't this phone close to the size of the X? I know the X is still bigger, but not by a whole lot.

Also what has Samsung done that no other phone besides the iphone has done? How is this phone much faster than any Android phone on the market?

All in all, this phone is going to be great, and when it is released it will sell very well. Does anyone know if they are going to attach the Droid trade mark name? Also I wonder how long until they release this bad boy.
Wolfedude88 is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old July 22nd, 2010, 09:42 PM   #91 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 302
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 9
Thanked 45 Times in 19 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfedude88 View Post
See I disagree, I don't think it would steal all the sales, it doesn't really blow them away either. A lot of benchmarks have the Droid X being faster, even though that doesn't mean a lot. If I am not mistaken isn't this phone close to the size of the X? I know the X is still bigger, but not by a whole lot.

Also what has Samsung done that no other phone besides the iphone has done? How is this phone much faster than any Android phone on the market?

All in all, this phone is going to be great, and when it is released it will sell very well. Does anyone know if they are going to attach the Droid trade mark name? Also I wonder how long until they release this bad boy.
I agree.
People in each forum needs to grow up altogether.
Droid X guys were bashing Inc like no other and vice versa and now Fascinate guys are bashing X. Although VZW should release the phone sonner than later, they are not doing that because Fascinate is much better than X and d2.
With all the benchmarks aside, regular day use, all there phones work similarly. For me, I have used all three (not fascinate, but vibrant and captivate), and may even say Inc felt the smoothest although presumably the worst hardware because HTC, Moto, Sammy are all Hardware companies trying to make software and HTC probably sucks the least.
I think Fascinate may have graphics advantage over the X but it would be very long until an app is launched that pushed X's limit.
Good night guys.
ghdtpdna is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 02:13 AM   #92 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,011
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 24
Thanked 79 Times in 40 Posts
Default

Motorola and the way VZW is pushing the "Droid" line means there's little chance of Samsung competing with Motorola Droids by way of marketing.

So...

The people who would get the Samsung are either:

1) techies
2) People who need the latest phone
2B) People who need the latest that don't like the size of the X and don't like the keyboard of the Droid 2 = buying the Samsung Fascinate

It sure as hell won't be Verizon's marketing that'll push the public to the Fascinate the way it has with Motorola phones.
Bearly is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 09:54 AM   #93 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Wolfedude88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Plainfield, Indiana
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,754
 
Device(s): HTC Droid DNA(Red)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 357
Thanked 555 Times in 357 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearly View Post
Motorola and the way VZW is pushing the "Droid" line means there's little chance of Samsung competing with Motorola Droids by way of marketing.

So...

The people who would get the Samsung are either:

1) techies
2) People who need the latest phone
2B) People who need the latest that don't like the size of the X and don't like the keyboard of the Droid 2 = buying the Samsung Fascinate

It sure as hell won't be Verizon's marketing that'll push the public to the Fascinate the way it has with Motorola phones.
So do we know that it won't have the Droid name? I haven't heard one way or another yet and was curious. I Motorola is pushing the name with the Droid, Droid 2, and Droid X, but the Devour didn't. I mean HTC used it for the Droid Eris and Droid Incredible, so since Samsungs phone is a high end phone I would be surprised if it didn't have the name. But maybe they didn't want to use the name.
Wolfedude88 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 01:33 PM   #94 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rushmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 7,812
 
Device(s): S4, iPad Air, Note 2014 10.1, Dell V11 5130, Nvidia Shield. Yes- too many devices.
Carrier: VZW

Thanks: 403
Thanked 1,379 Times in 968 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ImSpartacus View Post
So you don't think the community will be able to get more than 2.2 on the Galaxy S phones?

Hmmmm, that's troubling. I guess I will go for the DInc then...
The Hummingbird drivers will the issue. There were devs working on early Froyo builds on both the Nexus and Droid, so there were roms floating around that could be tweaked to work and had basic drivers for those chipsets.

That will be a HUGE catch with Gingerbread, since Samsung has no reason to update to it, so there would be no dev work on it. Their focus will be the newer devices.

Need homebrew devs to add the drivers to future Android OS versions, or likely a dead-end with Froyo. Samsung is very aggresive in their approach to product business cases and their overall profit margins, so it will be interesting to see if they update beyong 2.2.

If they do update, that would help get rid of the perception they have with updates. Question is, does the amount of sales they may lose from not updating result in better profits than not spending money to update at all? That is how Sammy looks at it.
rushmore is offline  
Last edited by rushmore; July 23rd, 2010 at 01:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 01:48 PM   #95 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
ronaldramsayii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 588
 
Device(s): Droid 1 (Dev Phone), Eventually HTC Thunderbolt
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 27
Thanked 118 Times in 72 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rushmore View Post
The Hummingbird drivers will the issue. There were devs working on early Froyo builds on both the Nexus and Droid, so there were roms floating around that could be tweaked to work and had basic drivers for those chipsets.

That will be a HUGE catch with Gingerbread, since Samsung has no reason to update to it, so there would be no dev work on it. Their focus will be the newer devices.

Need homebrew devs to add the drivers to future Android OS versions, or likely a dead-end with Froyo. Samsung is very aggresive in their approach to product business cases and their overall profit margins, so it will be interesting to see if they update beyong 2.2.

If they do update, that would help get rid of the perception they have with updates. Question is, does the amount of sales they may lose from not updating result in better profits than not spending money to update at all? That is how Sammy looks at it.
I hope they add drivers for 3.0....This phone is gonna be real good to just pass up and push to the side. Samsung can make money off this phone for a while, if they support it.....
ronaldramsayii is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 02:22 PM   #96 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
ronaldramsayii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 588
 
Device(s): Droid 1 (Dev Phone), Eventually HTC Thunderbolt
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 27
Thanked 118 Times in 72 Posts
Default

I don't think Samsung would abandon the Galaxy S phones. I mean if you think about it, they're supporting what Motorola no longer really supports, open source. I think Samsung would leave it to developers to make improvements and so on. I mean look how easy it is to root the phones.... The hardware specs are definitely good enough for Android 3.0 in my opinion. If Google decided they wanted to graphically enhance the UI by adding more animations and so on, The series of Galaxy S phones should be able to support them.

I just hope Samsung stick it out with these phones. These phones can bring in a significant about of revenue if they stick with it....
ronaldramsayii is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 02:57 PM   #97 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 273
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 5
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Default

I don't think Samsung will abandon the Galaxy S anytime soon. They made a huge push with the phones, releasing them pretty much everywhere. Plus they are doing a lot of advertising for it, calling press events and constantly slapping it around everywhere. Did the behold II or moment even have half the love the Galaxy S phones are getting from Samsung when they launched or ever? Nope.

Also, no the Fascinate will most likely not get the Droid moniker.
hanano17 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 23rd, 2010, 10:41 PM   #98 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 271
 
Device(s):
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 18
Thanked 38 Times in 28 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldramsayii View Post
Samsung has done what no other phone has except for the iPhone.
What, they both hurt Verizon's smartphone sales? How many phone sales, new contracts and new customers do you think Verizon lost due to the Incredible screen issues? How much do you think dealing with the resulting screen changes, canceled/changed order and delays in availability has cost Verizon financially and in customer relationships? While I can understand Samsung's deciding to not expand their commitment to provide AMOLED displays to HTC in order to focus on production of displays for their own phones, that decision probably has not helped their standing with Verizon.

In addition, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile will all have their own versions of the Galaxy S so while the Fascinate may keep some existing customers from going to the competition, it probably won't draw that many new customers from other carriers. In comparison, the Verizon exclusive Incredible, Droid X and Droid 2 give existing customers some good options and could also draw new customers to Verizon from other carriers.

So while the Fascinate may be a great phone, I can understand Verizon not seeing that compelling of a business case for hurrying it's release.
Old Man is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 28th, 2010, 10:58 PM   #99 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Don S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bayville, NJ USA
Posts: 604
 
Device(s): Samsung GS4, iPad 3, Motorola XOOM :-)
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 108
Thanked 227 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Man View Post
What, they both hurt Verizon's smartphone sales? ...
Yes, exactly that.

If you walk into a VZW store now, TODAY, what can you get? Droid X? Sold out for now, Incredible? Sorry, back ordered.

You honestly think not having the Fascinate in stock now HELPS sales? It unequivocally does not help. There is no way that releasing this phone in a few months is going to HELP sales, compared to releasing it now. I am sure there are reasons, many already stated. But it will not help their sales. By then,there will be more, better alternatives coming from all carriers, this one will be released with 2.1 when many phones will already have 2.2 by then (and reportedly 3.0 phones maybe be around by holiday time), and the average person who is may not be concerned about a specific carrier will likely have 3 other carriers to choose from before VZW for this phone.
Don S is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old July 28th, 2010, 11:15 PM   #100 (permalink)
Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 397
 
Device(s): Samsung Fascinate
Carrier: Not Provided

Thanks: 22
Thanked 27 Times in 16 Posts
Default

I got an email back from VZW today and the lady said that supposedly VZW "has not decided on release date for Fascinate"... I take all with grain of salt...Don't know how much truth and how much they just don't want to give out internal info.
__________________
Samsung Fascinate
Rooted | CWM Recovery | jt kernel

http://www.mydroidworld.com
tats_06 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Samsung Fascinate
Current Rating:
Rate this Phone:

The Samsung Fascinate is the Verizon version of the Samsung Galaxy S line of phones. Much like it's brothers, it includes the same 5.0MP camera capable of taking some of the best quality 720p HD video at 30fps. Unlike the other Galaxy S phones ... Read More



Go Back   Android Forums > Android Phones > Samsung Fascinate
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:33 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.