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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:56 AM   #52501 (permalink)
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"Perfect" you say.

I'd humbly disagree with that sentiment. iPhone 4S launch didn't happen during Apple's typical refresh cycles. It was delayed, much to the chagrin of many, with absolutely no word whatsoever from Apple regarding the delay. By all measures, the iP4S was months late.

And Apple doesn't pre announce a single thing. Not an official peep about a new product, until the product is actually released on stage. How many Apple launches have your heard about new products, then the announcement comes and goes and that product never materializes?

Analysts: We expect apple to release the iPhone 4S and iPhone5. Nope, maybe next announcement. We expect an upgraded tablet. Nope, maybe next announcement. We expect a new powermac with i7 processor. Nope, maybe next announcement. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

No, Apple is far from perfect. They surround themselves in a veil of secrecy which people are used to, and accept as status quo. If they don't announce something, then it just gets relegated to the "well maybe next announcement".

Sounds an aweful lot like Verizon, yet they get trashed and Apple gets a pass.
I think Apple gets a pass for a few reasons.
1) Apple doesn't have all of these "leaks". There was a lot of talk about the latest internal word and we all took it to heart as truth. This thread and others like it are the reason Verizon is catching so much flack.
2) Apple releases it's own product. Period. Their only deal with Verizon is that Verizon subsidizes the phone for their customers. Regardless of what Verizon has to say about it, Apple will release the phone when they deem it ready. There is not an issue with a service provider sticking their hands into the process. If Verizon weren't okay with this, I'm sure Apple would release it anyway and leave it to Verizon to explain why their customers can't purchase subsidized, or they'd be force to sell subsidized because they'd lose customers who would say, "What the heck is wrong with you Verizon? All my AT&T friends have it! I thought we moved past this issue?"
3) Apple is reliable with their release dates. I don't mean that product comes out at the same date every year. I mean that they don't announce a product until it's ready and they release it right after they announce it. Every time.
4) Verizon is not reliable and they have a record that proves it. Their process and additions to phones (both smart and otherwise) have delayed devices that were ready for consumers. On the smartphone side we can walk down memory lane to the Bionic or even the Nexus One. I'm sure there have been several others that we haven't even heard about.


Now to wrap it all up with my biggest gripe. Verizon needs to stop selling phones and reduce it's monthly services fees. They are a service provider. Period.
They also need to stop selling products/features as services. Thether anyone?
I imagine that they'd sell access to your gmail account as a separate data package if they could. How about Pandora (VZRadio+), YouTube (VZVideo now with Google), Netflix (VZVideo Premium), etc...

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So who thinks "Mr. Link" has any credibility with his 10AM EST announcment prediction? Only 3 more minutes...
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Why yes, yes you are.
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It seems to me - just thinking about it - that several States Attorneys General may be interested in knowing that a phone company is trying to manipulate ad control how its customers spend their own money on non-phone-related things. I mean: who is Verizon to tell me that I can't use Google Wallet, that I HAVE to use Isis? They could be opening up a legal can of worms here... and THAT may be the reason for the delay: running Nexus through the VZW Legal Department.
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If the other carriers had VZW coverage, jumping ship would be easy for me, but they dont. Also, think if a company offered REAL unlkimited data, and forced the other ones to do the same. We just need more compentition. Were stuck with VZW, ATT, T Mobile and Sprint, pitiful. The consumer gets screwed without getting kissed first.

I do agree the SGN release is all about sales of other pre existing phones and the contract. Gotta clear the inventory. VZW has the best selection of phones. Look at Sprint. Get a Ipone or a Evo and that's it, plus shitty coverage. ATT isnt much better. Top all that off with a two year contract (which should be against the law) and were stuck with what we have....kinda like Congress. Its all about the contract. VZW is going to make $2088 (87 a month ) off me, plus the price of a phone over two years.

I'm really thinking of shopping CL for something to tide me over, my Eris is on its last leg. That way it puts the ball back in my court, which as consumers, is where we should keep it.

If you've ever been in a strip club....they make more off the beer than the dancers, the dancers just get you in the door. Well VZW dancers are the SGN and the beer is the contract........

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Verizon has never been able to test the iphone first because apple has always handled the updates. with every other android phone on their network verizon goes through vigorous testing, which is why updates can take so long after the manufacturer makes them and they sends them to verizon for approval.
Isn't there something wrong with this picture though, how is it that Verizon allows Apple to do whatever the heck they want (I know it's Apple and blah blah blah but they still suck imho) while Google can't release their darn phone already?? Meanwhile Verizon is adding their bloatware and possibly removing NFC and Google Wallet completely (what if Verizon wanted to add or remove apps from the iphone, or change it however they wanted to?).... Ugh, If I wasn't on a family plan and if Verizon's 4g/lte network wasn't so much better than the competitions in this area I would seriously consider switching providers.

I wish google could sell the phones and verizon would just sell data/voice plans and that my life would be simpler and happier.

Edit: Sorry about the rant, I've calmed down since posting it though.
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I drove past a Verizon store in Melbourne FL and not a one ad on the outside mentioning a Galaxy Nexus. I can take pics if you don't believe me ;p
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It seems to me - just thinking about it - that several States Attorneys General may be interested in knowing that a phone company is trying to manipulate ad control how its customers spend their own money on non-phone-related things. I mean: who is Verizon to tell me that I can't use Google Wallet, that I HAVE to use Isis? They could be opening up a legal can of worms here... and THAT may be the reason for the delay: running Nexus through the VZW Legal Department.
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Anybody hear from the person that said their store in Fla. had signage or something up?
Nothing Yet
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I drove past a Verizon store in Melbourne FL and not a one ad on the outside mentioning a Galaxy Nexus. I can take pics if you don't believe me ;p
Funny, but somehow I think we all believe you...just a hunch
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10:02 ..... nothing oh well back to bed
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This argument was actually made a while back from another site and was cited to be possibly delay the Nexus. But I'm not so sure that it would entirely hold by the phone from release as Google Wallet is something that can be later negotiated. Also, does the GSM version have Google Wallet pre-installed? I don't think it's really mentioned in many reviews.
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Isn't there something wrong with this picture though, how is it that Verizon allows Apple to do whatever the heck they want (I know it's Apple and blah blah blah but they still suck imho) while Google can't release their darn phone already?? Meanwhile Verizon is adding their bloatware and possibly removing NFC and Google Wallet completely (what if Verizon wanted to add or remove apps from the iphone, or change it however they wanted to?).... Ugh, If I wasn't on a family plan and if Verizon's 4g/lte network wasn't so much better than the competitions in this area I would seriously consider switching providers.

I wish google could sell the phones and verizon would just sell data/voice plans and that my life would be simpler and happier.
Higher demand for the iPhone 4 than any ONE android phone.. They wanted a piece of the pie and getting the iPhone would put a hurting on AT&T in places where their customer base is marginal.
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This argument was actually made a while back from another site and was cited to be possibly delay the Nexus. But I'm not so sure that it would entirely hold by the phone from release as Google Wallet is something that can be later negotiated. Also, does the GSM version have Google Wallet pre-installed? I don't think it's really mentioned in many reviews.
Google Wallet is only available in the US...haven't heard anyone who shipped it over mention it
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Isn't there something wrong with this picture though, how is it that Verizon allows Apple to do whatever the heck they want (I know it's Apple and blah blah blah but they still suck imho) while Google can't release their darn phone already?? Meanwhile Verizon is adding their bloatware and possibly removing NFC and Google Wallet completely (what if Verizon wanted to add or remove apps from the iphone, or change it however they wanted to?).... Ugh, If I wasn't on a family plan and if Verizon's 4g/lte network wasn't so much better than the competitions in this area I would seriously consider switching providers.

I wish google could sell the phones and verizon would just sell data/voice plans and that my life would be simpler and happier.
i'm not a fan of it either, but verizon can say no to the nexus easier and just sell any of the other 20 android phones on their network vs saying no to the iphone, so at this point in the game apple has a lot more pull. they still have some things they work with carriers on, like how at&t didnt want facetime on 3g, and they were ok with that. also tethering without paying more (the biggest scam goin next to paying for texting AND a data plan) is something else they are working with carriers on.

carriers have too much control overall, and eventually they will all offer the same service at the same price and compete with their coverage and phones.
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This argument was actually made a while back from another site and was cited to be possibly delay the Nexus. But I'm not so sure that it would entirely hold by the phone from release as Google Wallet is something that can be later negotiated. Also, does the GSM version have Google Wallet pre-installed? I don't think it's really mentioned in many reviews.
If Verizon is wanting to push Isis or whatever it is they want to use the NFC capabilities for, then no, it could not lauch with Google Wallet. They could open up a HUGE can of worms by launching a phone with an advertised feature and then take it away to make you use their version. Now they could launch without anything and disable all NFC Wallet type activities and then activate it later....but I'm sure that will be a selling point when they launch it. Having some sort of mobile wallet capability will set it apart from the other phones.
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So, no preorders for today it looks like. Unless they do it later today which might happen but I kinda doubt it.

Guess we're on a cold trail now? No leads, rumors, nothing?

Just a hopeful Dec 8 date..
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Ah the internet...Nerd rage ensues over a supposed phone "launch date" that has been based on rumor on hearsay only.

Stop reading about it every second of every day and the launch will eventually happen. It's a phone, not a kidney.
That is why forums like this exist. They are here for us to discuss all aspects of the device as well as speculate rant and obsess.

This forum would not have a third of its posts if we didn't speculate moan and discuss. Thanks to the utter black out of info from Crapizon.

THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK JUST AN OBSERVATION.

If the thread does not contain enough fact blame VZW. If the obssesive nature and complaining gets to you again blame VZW.

This is the nature of threads like this and you are only the 900th person to say It's just a phone" we know
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It seems to me - just thinking about it - that several States Attorneys General may be interested in knowing that a phone company is trying to manipulate ad control how its customers spend their own money on non-phone-related things. I mean: who is Verizon to tell me that I can't use Google Wallet, that I HAVE to use Isis? They could be opening up a legal can of worms here... and THAT may be the reason for the delay: running Nexus through the VZW Legal Department.
i'm pretty sure isis is also the reason why the t-mobile and at&t versions of the nexus s don't have wallet either. its odd that it would come up this round and possibly delay the phone coming out without freezing sales of the nexus s as well, so im not so sure about that one.
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chesterharry needs to read this thread, because I read about the disabling of Google Wallet weeks ago. He says, "To me the NFC Google Wallet disabling is more than a small issue, and something I am surprised hadn't been revealed earlier. Most likely this is the root of the delay of this phones release."
Isn't this also the kind of thing that Google and Verizon should have worked out as part of the negotiations to even have the phone on Verizon in the first place? This doesn't seem like the kind of thing where one or both parties could be caught by surprise.
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What many of you are missing in my point in comparing this launch to an iPhone launch and saying that Apple gets it right is this:

Google announced this phone in mid-October....OFFICIALLY mind you....showed off all it's new features, and touted it as the best thing out there. Yet here we are 2 months later and don't even have any word of a release date. THAT is my complaint. You don't announce a phone that isn't ready for immediate release, period.
This is why I think people shoule not direct their anger at this site, at people who provides "tips", or even at Verizon. The only party they should be mad at is Google. Apple can work with all 3 US providers to get the iPhone ready for all 3 networks, and release the phone less than 10 days after press conference. Yet Google failed to release the Nexus in US 2 months after announcement.

Look at Moto and HTC, their flagship phones RAZR and Rezound were ready for purchase/pre-order days after announcement. Why can't Google/Samsung do the same?
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A number of Bionics still barely work.. Promised an OTA in early November.. No ETA..
That is one bullet I dodged by by not doing a pre-order or rushing to the store on release day.
I lurked and seen it coming.

Then the SGII never came but I will pre-order and beta this device.

So here I sit under my bridge all crass and full of condescension numb to it all but still hanging in there keeping up with the thread.





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Can a phone manufacturer create a phone that works specifically on Verizon's network without Verizon having any say in it? Or do all phones need to be approved by Verizon before they're permitted on their network?
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This is why I think people shoule not direct their anger at this site, at people who provides "tips", or even at Verizon. The only party they should be mad at is Google. Apple can work with all 3 US providers to get the iPhone ready for all 3 networks, and release the phone less than 10 days after press conference. Yet Google failed to release the Nexus in US 2 months after announcement.
I think we're going to have it within 2 months of announcement. This is week 6
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You gotta keep the faith.

IMO, this is the last seemingly "Real" leak.

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And if Verizon is changing things up on the Galaxy Nexus, all they're really doing is encouraging more of us to root our phones.
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That is one bullet I dodged by by not doing a pre-order or rushing to the store on release day.
I lurked and seen it coming.

Then the SGII never came but I will pre-order and beta the this device.

So here I sit under my bridge all crass and full of condescension numb to it all but still hanging in there keeping up with the thread.
Unfortunately it did not affect every phone and my first one didn't do it, had to get a replacement and low and behold this one is garbage..
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Isn't this also the kind of thing that Google and Verizon should have worked out as part of the negotiations to even have the phone on Verizon in the first place? This doesn't seem like the kind of thing where one or both parties could be caught by surprise.
I imagine Verizon gave Google a tentative timeline on their approval process, and Google timed the international release for that. (i am going to guess the original release of the 10th per the MAP charts). Then it got delayed a week, for marketing, to let RAZR and Rezound go first. Then the technical issue popped up. I think at that point Google wasn't willing to hold the GSM version anymore, so it launched the 17th. Just an opinion mind you.
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You gotta keep the faith.

IMO, this is the last seemingly "Real" leak.

Where did u find this?
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It seems to me - just thinking about it - that several States Attorneys General may be interested in knowing that a phone company is trying to manipulate ad control how its customers spend their own money on non-phone-related things. I mean: who is Verizon to tell me that I can't use Google Wallet, that I HAVE to use Isis? They could be opening up a legal can of worms here... and THAT may be the reason for the delay: running Nexus through the VZW Legal Department.
I feel like there needs to be a campaign to the FCC as well here. How is this any different then using Amazon's app to buy things. What I hook my credit card up to is no business of Verizon and Google Wallet does not violate their terms of service (unlike tethering apps).
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Add December 8 to the Galaxy Nexus Launch List (Updated) – Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog
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An important point to note is that Verizon won't be able to disable the NFC ability as a whole on the phone. With Android Beam being a premiere feature on the device, the cat is out of the bag as far as the capability of utilizing this tech at least in some sense. I agree that they could be trying to screw with the payment options when it comes to the Nexus, but there is a lot more to NFC than just payment methods. Also, how are they going to dictate all payment methods when that is such a loose term? Lets say for a second that they are trying to block Google wallet for Isis. Would this apply to the mass transit systems that utilize NFC with a unique protocol for just payment in their system? Verizon will never succeed with something like this. I won't deny they might try, but eventually they will get the book thrown at them by a lawsuit or the government and it will hurt.
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Sitting here with the tv on the Kathy and Hoda show on hoping they'll have breaking news about a Nexus release. Sadly, I don't think it's going to happen
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So, no preorders for today it looks like. Unless they do it later today which might happen but I kinda doubt it.

Guess we're on a cold trail now? No leads, rumors, nothing?

Just a hopeful Dec 8 date..
When we decided Dec. 8th was the most likely candidate, I thought for sure that would be the one. Back then it was a little over 3 weeks until the 8th--surely they would get things ironed out by then.

Now here we are, almost 1 week away and still no tangible evidence of a launch on the 8th. If we get a preorder, it can't launch on the 8th. If we don't get a preorder and instead get a launch on the 8th, then we should start to see some good information reinforcing that. At this point, I'm really starting to doubt we'll make the 8th. I never thought I would say that.
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Can a phone manufacturer create a phone that works specifically on Verizon's network without Verizon having any say in it? Or do all phones need to be approved by Verizon before they're permitted on their network?
Phones need to be approved for the same reason they don't like us rooting. They want to have a level of control on how you access their network.

Also if some company could make "cheap" Verizon phones that would discourage people from signing into contracts..
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Woke up a 5am to go to the gym but checked Verizon's web page for preorders first. So numb from the disappointment that it didn't even phase me. Will I get up early or stay up early on the next preorder rumor? yes. Will I still spend 80% of the work day on this forum? Yes
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Can't delay what wasn't even announced, and personally I like not having leaks, because then when the thing is introduced, it's usually the same day it's announced, and then you can buy it in a couple of weeks. I consider a perfect release one that goes: Here is our product, you can buy it on X date, and then that date occurs and you can buy the product. Amazon seems to be able to do it with the Kindle, and Apple does it with their products, but the Galaxy Nexus was announced over a month ago, and we still don't know a release date on Verizon.
And to each thier own. While frustrating, I like the leaks as it helps my decsision making process. I'm not going to wait until the release of a product, only to find out I'm dissappointed in the specs.

That sort of business model works for Apple, since a large portion of thier consumer base will buy whatever they release.
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Can a phone manufacturer create a phone that works specifically on Verizon's network without Verizon having any say in it? Or do all phones need to be approved by Verizon before they're permitted on their network?
If you so desired, you could go create a phone specifically for Verizon's network and use it. Nobody is going to mass produce a phone for Verizon's network without their approval though because Verizon won't sell it if they don't approve it.
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I'm curious how many people would opt for the Galaxy Note instead of the Nexus if it were being released on the same day and also had ICS. I know I would go for the Note myself. 5.3" is huge but I think I'd get used to it quick like I did the 4.3" screen on my Droid X which look HUGE when I bought it.
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What a disappointing start to the week.
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I think it's funny we assume so much about how these companies work and say what they can and cannot do but in all this wealth of knowledge of this branch of the tech community, no one has any idea why they are waiting.

Take a chill pill and relax..
This is great! really! We're all backseat drivers. And we all propose to know something with our given opinion and most freely express it right here. That includes you and me! Hard to relax though this stuff is super exciting

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When we decided Dec. 8th was the most likely candidate, I thought for sure that would be the one. Back then it was a little over 3 weeks until the 8th--surely they would get things ironed out by then.

Now here we are, almost 1 week away and still no tangible evidence of a launch on the 8th. If we get a preorder, it can't launch on the 8th. If we don't get a preorder and instead get a launch on the 8th, then we should start to see some good information reinforcing that. At this point, I'm really starting to doubt we'll make the 8th. I never thought I would say that.
I'm still hoping for the 8th. Someone make sure to slap me when I go from optimistic to delusional in the next couple days.
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