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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:33 AM   #54051 (permalink)
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So now that the bugs were fixed in the 4.0.2 update, we get the announcement today.

Oh, the life of an optimist is beautiful.

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Haha, nice. But considering most of us are in a good mood today... Do you have new info to make you feel that way?
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I am not going to state sources due to the recent credibility questions and such from everyone and I'm not allowed to state who they are either but I can gaurentee everyone will see this phone for sale before December 13th. It will be LTE, 32GB model, 1850Mah battery, coming with OS version 4.0.2. The most critical bugs have already been fixed and price will be $299 on contract and a little over $600 off contract. Verizon will make the annoucement the day of the sale and there will not as much marketing with this phone as with the Droid RAZR and HTC Rezound.

I cannot state anymore than this so everyone please take this as you will. I hope this information proves useful to some of you.
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The RAZR is a disaster. It isn't selling....
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True...

I'm curious about what gives people the impression the RAZR isn't selling well. I've seen that repeated relatively often (so I'm not picking on the two folks quoted above) but never saw a source. Can someone explain how they know the RAZR isn't selling?
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I am not going to state sources due to the recent credibility questions and such from everyone and I'm not allowed to state who they are either but I can gaurentee everyone will see this phone for sale before December 13th. It will be LTE, 32GB model, 1850Mah battery, coming with OS version 4.0.2. The most critical bugs have already been fixed and price will be $299 on contract and a little over $600 off contract. Verizon will make the annoucement the day of the sale and there will not as much marketing with this phone as with the Droid RAZR and HTC Rezound.

I cannot state anymore than this so everyone please take this as you will. I hope this information proves useful to some of you.
I would say your source is twitter, and the internet. But if not, it confirmed what was said on twitter, and the internet.
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Haha, nice. But considering most of us are in a good mood today... Do you have new info to make you feel that way?

No new info. The vzw support guy left a cryptic message on Twitter that some of us took to be a sign. We were wrong. I felt toyed with.
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I'm curious about what gives people the impression the RAZR isn't selling well. I've seen that repeated relatively often (so I'm not picking on the two folks quoted above) but never saw a source. Can someone explain how they know the RAZR isn't selling?
How dare you ask for credible proof. This is the internet, dang gum it!!!
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I'm curious about what gives people the impression the RAZR isn't selling well. I've seen that repeated relatively often (so I'm not picking on the two folks quoted above) but never saw a source. Can someone explain how they know the RAZR isn't selling?
Short and sweet: they don't. There might be some anecdotal examples from folks who work at VZW, or authorized re-sellers, but no one knows how the RAZR is doing nationally, because VZW hasn't released that information.
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don't you have to unlock the boot loader to root?
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Rooting is typically done by exploiting a security hole in the OS.

If you unlock the bootloader, you can introduce your own "security hole" and obtain root that way, or write an entire new system image with root baked in.

However, root is available for a whole lot of devices via one-click methods, which universally don't require an unlocked bootloader. One-click root methods are rooting methods that have discovered a vulnerability in the OS and use that to elevate privileges and obtain root access.

So - no, you don't have to unlock the bootloader to obtain root necessarily. WITHOUT an unlocked bootloader, though, someone has to discover a vulnerability in the OS in order to root.
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No new info. The vzw support guy left a cryptic message on Twitter that some of us took to be a sign. We were wrong. I felt toyed with.
You weren't the first to get crossed by @VZWSupport's nightly sign off.

I doubt the you'll be the last.
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Well...

Rooting is typically done by exploiting a security hole in the OS.

If you unlock the bootloader, you can introduce your own "security hole" and obtain root that way.

However, root is available for a whole lot of devices via one-click methods, which universally don't require an unlocked bootloader. One-click root methods are rooting methods that have discovered a vulnerability in the OS and use that to elevate privileges and obtain root access.

So - no, you don't have to unlock the bootloader to obtain root necessarily. WITHOUT an unlocked bootloader, though, someone has to discover a vulnerability in the OS in order to root.
Yeah, rooting is far easier if you have an unlocked bootloader.
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No new info. The vzw support guy left a cryptic message on Twitter that some of us took to be a sign. We were wrong. I felt toyed with.
Yeah I saw your tweet earlier. I hadn't seen where they had say we will see the info there first earlier, so I didn't take their tweet that way last night. I am actually not too upset with Verizon today, connectivity issues are one of my most sensitive issues... If that was the cause of the delay, I am somewhat ok with that.
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Currently, My Verizon doesn't need a rooted device to be removed. That may be changed in the GNex. My Verizon also doesn't consume any backup resources, so I'm not sure peoples aversion to it. However, I have heard that Verizon is doing some pretty signifigant updates to it, so it does a lot more than just telling you your account status, so maybe it will end up a resource hog. But right now, it's just a tiny app that only runs when you use it (and I admit, I do find it useful).

Backup Assistant would require root to remove. However, I will say I mysteriously had a contact deleted from my phone. Since by the time I noticed it was gone, the phone had synced, it also removed the contact from GMail, and Backup Assistant. I wasn't able to recover the contact through GMail, but I was through Backup Assistant. I have no problem with keeping that program.

Did you know that gmail will let you recover your contacts up to 30 days now? Just in case. I found it useful twice when I got a little sideways and deleted someone, then realized I needed the number so I would know which one to ignore.

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I am not going to state sources due to the recent credibility questions and such from everyone and I'm not allowed to state who they are either but I can gaurentee everyone will see this phone for sale before December 13th. It will be LTE, 32GB model, 1850Mah battery, coming with OS version 4.0.2. The most critical bugs have already been fixed and price will be $299 on contract and a little over $600 off contract. Verizon will make the annoucement the day of the sale and there will not as much marketing with this phone as with the Droid RAZR and HTC Rezound.

I cannot state anymore than this so everyone please take this as you will. I hope this information proves useful to some of you.

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Currently, My Verizon doesn't need a rooted device to be removed. That may be changed in the GNex. My Verizon also doesn't consume any backup resources, so I'm not sure peoples aversion to it. However, I have heard that Verizon is doing some pretty signifigant updates to it, so it does a lot more than just telling you your account status, so maybe it will end up a resource hog. But right now, it's just a tiny app that only runs when you use it (and I admit, I do find it useful).

Backup Assistant would require root to remove. However, I will say I mysteriously had a contact deleted from my phone. Since by the time I noticed it was gone, the phone had synced, it also removed the contact from GMail, and Backup Assistant. I wasn't able to recover the contact through GMail, but I was through Backup Assistant. I have no problem with keeping that program.
Thank you. Yes, I understand that it doesn't take any resources if you don't use it. But it's not about that for me. With my Droid X there is sooooo much Verizon Crap loaded onto it that I can't remove unless I Root (Amazon Kindle, Amazon MP3, VZW Apps, Amazon Appstore, Backup Assistant, Blockbuster, City ID, Madden NFL 11, My Verizon, NFS Shift, Skype Mobile, VZ Navigator). It just pisses me off. It's more about principle to me now. It's fine if they load things on there, but let me delete them if I don't want/use them. I have Never ever used even one of their preloaded apps.

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However, root is available for a whole lot of devices via one-click methods, which universally don't require an unlocked bootloader. One-click root methods are rooting methods that have discovered a vulnerability in the OS and use that to elevate privileges and obtain root access.

So - no, you don't have to unlock the bootloader to obtain root necessarily. WITHOUT an unlocked bootloader, though, someone has to discover a vulnerability in the OS in order to root.

And this is why I love you guys/girls. Thanks for the clarification
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Thank you. Yes, I understand that it doesn't take any resources if you don't use it. But it's not about that for me. With my Droid X there is sooooo much Verizon Crap loaded onto it that I can't remove unless I Root (Amazon Kindle, Amazon MP3, VZW Apps, Amazon Appstore, Backup Assistant, Blockbuster, City ID, Madden NFL 11, My Verizon, NFS Shift, Skype Mobile, VZ Navigator). It just pisses me off. It's more about principle to me now. It's fine if they load things on there, but let me delete them if I don't want/use them. I have Never ever used even one of their preloaded apps.

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Wow that's a lot of bloat.
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Don't ignore my number!

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Nope. You only need to unlock the bootloader if you are going to install things such as kernel updates, or ROMS that are based off of a completely different bootloder.

Most Verizon moto phones have locked encrypted bootloaders, yet we still have root on them.
so if i don't plan on flashing any custom roms on the GNex but just plan on rooting to tether, i don't have to worry about unlocking the boot loader?
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Rooting and unlocked bootloader are two different things. Rooting allows for root (superuser access) to the filesystem, which is what (almost) all devices have. Unlocked bootloader allows for you to flash unsigned images (kernels, custom ROMs, etc) to the device with ease.

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I am not going to state sources due to the recent credibility questions and such from everyone and I'm not allowed to state who they are either but I can gaurentee everyone will see this phone for sale before December 13th. It will be LTE, 32GB model, 1850Mah battery, coming with OS version 4.0.2. The most critical bugs have already been fixed and price will be $299 on contract and a little over $600 off contract. Verizon will make the annoucement the day of the sale and there will not as much marketing with this phone as with the Droid RAZR and HTC Rezound.

I cannot state anymore than this so everyone please take this as you will. I hope this information proves useful to some of you.
$299 on contract you say? So why the $199 BF ads circulating then?
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Wow that's a lot of bloat.
Sadly, that's pretty much par for the course with new devices.

Although the OP did include Amazon App store, which has never to my knowledge been preloaded, especially on the Droid X.
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https://market.android.com/details?id=ca.cumulonimbus.barometernetwork&1.3.2

Kinda cool, it uses the barometer to cloudsource information, supposidly for weather forecasting. not sure how useful it will actually be, but thought it was kinda cool.
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I can gaurentee everyone will see this phone for sale before December 13th. It will be LTE, 32GB model, 1850Mah battery, coming with OS version 4.0.2. The most critical bugs have already been fixed and price will be $299 on contract and a little over $600 off contract. Verizon will make the annoucement the day of the sale and there will not as much marketing with this phone as with the Droid RAZR and HTC Rezound.
Thanks for the info. Making the announcement day of sale certainly fits with the soft launch rumor. It's like waiting for friggin' test results!
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Sadly, that's pretty much par for the course with new devices.

Although the OP did include Amazon App store, which has never to my knowledge been preloaded, especially on the Droid X.

Shows how far removed I am from that stuff with my OG Droid. :-P Can't wait for some Nexus love.
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$299 on contract you say? So why the $199 BF ads circulating then?
You answered your own question in my opinion. BF ads
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I thought it was well known that Best Buy has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to this phone.
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$299 on contract you say? So why the $199 BF ads circulating then?
Since the BF ads weren't real anyway, I wouldn't worry about the price. I highly doubt you'll see a 32GB LTE smartphone on Verizon for less than $299.

Even if the ad was supposed to be true, that was for a special BF deal, just like all Black Friday deals.
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Thank you. Yes, I understand that it doesn't take any resources if you don't use it. But it's not about that for me. With my Droid X there is sooooo much Verizon Crap loaded onto it that I can't remove unless I Root (Amazon Kindle, Amazon MP3, VZW Apps, Amazon Appstore, Backup Assistant, Blockbuster, City ID, Madden NFL 11, My Verizon, NFS Shift, Skype Mobile, VZ Navigator). It just pisses me off. It's more about principle to me now. It's fine if they load things on there, but let me delete them if I don't want/use them. I have Never ever used even one of their preloaded apps.

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Here's the REAL question though. How much more per device would you be willing to pay to have a "BLOAT FREE" phone?

Is it worth $25 more per phone? $50 more per phone?
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Stumbled on this on one of my android rss feeds

https://market.android.com/details?id=ca.cumulonimbus.barometernetwork&1.3.2

Kinda cool, it uses the barometer to cloudsource information, supposidly for weather forecasting. not sure how useful it will actually be, but thought it was kinda cool.
I think I may have to develop my own app for this phone. I have the perfect idea for a program that needs use of a barometer.

Niche market for sure, but could be worth a few pennies.
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Thank you. Yes, I understand that it doesn't take any resources if you don't use it. But it's not about that for me. With my Droid X there is sooooo much Verizon Crap loaded onto it that I can't remove unless I Root (Amazon Kindle, Amazon MP3, VZW Apps, Amazon Appstore, Backup Assistant, Blockbuster, City ID, Madden NFL 11, My Verizon, NFS Shift, Skype Mobile, VZ Navigator). It just pisses me off. It's more about principle to me now. It's fine if they load things on there, but let me delete them if I don't want/use them. I have Never ever used even one of their preloaded apps.

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I am not going to state sources due to the recent credibility questions and such from everyone and I'm not allowed to state who they are either but I can gaurentee everyone will see this phone for sale before December 13th. It will be LTE, 32GB model, 1850Mah battery, coming with OS version 4.0.2. The most critical bugs have already been fixed and price will be $299 on contract and a little over $600 off contract. Verizon will make the annoucement the day of the sale and there will not as much marketing with this phone as with the Droid RAZR and HTC Rezound.

I cannot state anymore than this so everyone please take this as you will. I hope this information proves useful to some of you.
not sure who you are to "guarantee" a release before dec 13. perhaps a PM to one of the thread mods that they can post with XXXX over personal info as they have done in the past would be a better option. but i could create a new user name and make my first post one of these. real easy.

that said. i sure hope you're right
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Sadly, that's pretty much par for the course with new devices.

Although the OP did include Amazon App store, which has never to my knowledge been preloaded, especially on the Droid X.
Yeah, Thinking back I think I Installed Amazon Appstore and used it once to try and get the free app of the day (Quick Office Pro? normally $10) But every time I tried to Install it, it failed. Haven't used it since. But the rest I'm pretty sure are all bloat.
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Amazon App store is not bloat to me. I have it on my Dinc. Free apps of the day make it worth it to have that app. I also like Amazon MP3 on occasion too. The rest are ridiculous.

Here's the REAL question though. How much more per device would you be willing to pay to have a "BLOAT FREE" phone?

Is it worth $25 more per phone? $50 more per phone?

Ya the Amazon Appstore is cool I've gotten a bunch of pretty good apps for.... (wait for it)..... Free! :-)
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I like the QWERTY, as the days go by, the Droid 4 is looking better and better (if it releases on the 8th and the SGN does not). If it weren't for the "reference phone" thing and NFC, I would have a ReHound.

*patience*
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$299 on contract you say? So why the $199 BF ads circulating then?
Possibly because it was intended for a Holiday BF or Cyber sale, and not the normal going rate for 4G LTE super phones on VZ's network.

I mean show me another 4G LTE flagship device sold by VZ that goes for $199
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Possibly because it was intended for a Holiday BF or Cyber sale, and not the normal going rate for 4G LTE super phones on VZ's network.

I mean show me another 4G LTE flagship device sold by VZ that goes for $199
The... *wait for it* ... Droid Bionic!!!
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Yeah, Thinking back I think I Installed Amazon Appstore and used it once to try and get the free app of the day (Quick Office Pro? normally $10) But every time I tried to Install it, it failed. Haven't used it since. But the rest I'm pretty sure are all bloat.
The only way to install Amazon appstore is to turn off "allow installation of market apps only" checkmark in the settings.

Commonly called sideloading, since you are installing a program that's not in the offical Android Market.
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i dont know whos on twitter.. but theres a huge campaign right now @VZWsupport ... support it. be nice, no death threats lol but help us out. maybe the ability to properly respond to actual support questions will be hindered and they will announce something
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Stumbled on this on one of my android rss feeds

https://market.android.com/details?id=ca.cumulonimbus.barometernetwork&1.3.2

Kinda cool, it uses the barometer to cloudsource information, supposidly for weather forecasting. not sure how useful it will actually be, but thought it was kinda cool.
Yeah they had a weather expert kind of debunk the barometer use for that. because you are moving with your phone a lot, the change in altitude will have a much greater affect than the change in atmospheric pressure over time, and spoil the results badly.
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Stumbled on this on one of my android rss feeds

https://market.android.com/details?id=ca.cumulonimbus.barometernetwork&1.3.2

Kinda cool, it uses the barometer to cloudsource information, supposidly for weather forecasting. not sure how useful it will actually be, but thought it was kinda cool.
I'm glad you brought up the barometer. I've been meaning to get the feedback of the community on this one.

What benefit is a barometer on a phone to me? I can't imagine using it. I don't predict the weather, I have Weatherbug for that.

When I first heard about the barometer being on the Gnex I was like AWESOME! Then I was like really? Now I'm like meh.
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