Traditionally the UK (and Europe) has been way ahead of the US in terms of mobile phone technology. It's only recently that the US has just about caught up, so perhaps they're still stuck in that mindset.
I know the US is behind the rest of the world in terms of mobile tech. I was simply referring to the number of Verizon US users versus UK users.
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In a nutshell, S-OFF means that the NAND portion of the device is unlocked and can be written to. The default setting for HTC’s devices is S-ON, which means that neither can you access certain areas of the system nor can you guarantee a permanent root. Furthermore, signature check for firmware images is also ensured by the S-ON flag.
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Interesting post. I see some of your points, but you can't ignore the fact that Google promised November, and UK is delivering. If there is a problem in the U.S. with November, it falls to the only variable that's not in the equation in Europe: Verizon.
Unfortunately, releasing Android in an open-source format is a two-edged sword. On the one hand, you enrich the dev experience many times over that of Apple lovers. On the other hand, you have no leverage. You can't tell Verizon "Look, if you don't release this by such and such date, we're pulling Android from you", because they effectively don't own Android, even though they create it.
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What has samsung/google done to botch the launch?!? They are launching UK tomorrow. Same time frame they promised. BMX has said that the phones have been sent to Verizon, at this point there's one finger to point, and it's at Verizon.
If you read my whole post, you would have seen that the reason I fault Google and Samsung is because they haven't made the prior Nexus phones commercial successes in the past, they've allowed them to be things for primarily geeks and enthusiasts with low sales numbers. This has given them little to no leverage with the carriers, so unlike Apple they can't launch the phone when they want, they have to wait for the carriers to determine that.
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good lord, it was 30981...I read an email and now its 31008!!!!!!! I will never work again during the XX000 time and I won't work for a day when we near 100,000!!!
(god I hope we don't reach 100,000 as that would mean LONG delays)
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For anyone wondering, so far, my experience with the Rezound (for anyone considering one until the GNex comes out) is that whoever stupidly designed its power button and volume controls had to have had love for medieval torture devices. They'd have been better off making those into capacitive buttons given how hard they are to find and press since they are way too flush with the chassis. This is what i get for saying that the RAZR's power button felt a bit cheap, I suppose. Here's hoping for a Goldilocks and the Three Bears ending wherein the GNex's buttons are "just right".
I have an incredible and I have that same issue lol
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Prediction: Galaxy Nexus Pre-Orders will Begin exactly 15 days AFTER 11/11/11 at 12:01 a.m. 11/25/11. It will ship on 11/29/11. The Nexus will be available in stores 12/1/11. Mark it down.
Still standing by this prediction!!!
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If you read my whole post, you would have seen that the reason I fault Google and Samsung is because they haven't made the prior Nexus phones commercial successes in the past, they've allowed them to be things for primarily geeks and enthusiasts with low sales numbers. This has given them little to no leverage with the carriers, so unlike Apple they can't launch the phone when they want, they have to wait for the carriers to determine that.
I did read the whole thing, and I still think that you can't blame this on Google or Samsung. Okay, so the Nexus line hasn't been a success in the past.
BUT, everything that a Nexus "was" has completely been thrown out the window. This Nexus was not designed for a dev niche community. Just look at it.
* Biggest screen on any phone in the U.S.
* 1 of only 2 HD, 720p resolution screens
* Top of the line of available CPU/GPU
* 4G LTE speeds
* "Vanilla" Android is NOT "vanilla" anymore. It is elegant and beautiful
* It's effectively a superior SGSII (best selling phone in the world).
Could Verizon, even with all its stupidity, look at this device and say "Eh, it's just for devs. Let's put it at the bottom of the pile," ???
That's absurd.
I strongly suspect that this will be the best selling phone in the world until quad-cores come out. This will be the SGSII a few times over. BMX is tweeting that UK people are going crazy over it (he's over there as part of his Google job right now).
Verizon is capable of such boneheaded stupidity, as we have seen over and over. I think Verizon is the only one at fault here.
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I thought Early said that the HTC device was already unlocked and rooted?
teamandIRC just tweeted: Also, I'm reading about people still trying to get "S-off", whatever that means.
The Rezound is rooted, but it only lasts until the phone is rebooted. They are still trying to unlock the bootloader and I think S-off is part of that process.
So for now, there's essentially no root b/c even freezing apps when you have root doesn't work b/c they revert back to unfrozen after a reboot.
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Anyone know if Vegas has taken up odds on this dang thing landing in VZW consumers hands by black Friday?... my heart wants to say yes it will. But all my instincts say I could make good money money betting post BF.
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How is that affected by the new 30 day return policy for Nov/Dec. And by that same measure, wouldn't you also think it's reasonable to to 14 days after the Rezound as well (11/14)?
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I have an incredible and I have that same issue lol
It was ridiculous. I was on a rollercoaster of highs for loving the screen quality and having LTE again amidst a bunch of lows filled with "What the hell??", "Why would somebody do this??", "Where's the bleeping button??", and avoiding rooting it until a surefire way to cleanly unroot comes out. I've got unlimited Shazam tagging and the unlimited Skyfire video plugin on my Droid 2 and i can't port em over without root! Luckily, following the madhouse here is a pleasant distraction. Aside from the fact that cell phones aren't allowed in my office building. The GNex better come out fast because I'm already going into withdrawal from not having a charging dock on a phone!
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How is that affected by the new 30 day return policy for Nov/Dec. And by that same measure, wouldn't you also think it's reasonable to to 14 days after the Rezound as well (11/14)?
The new return policy is definitely for the holidays.
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Anyone still think this phone is landing on the 17th lol..?
There's little more satisfying that wagging fingers and shaking your head at a mod - - so, I'm sticking to 17th as something big and relevant.
You know - on Sprint - the gold premiere customers got a private emailing with the web address where they could order their new 3D and get it overnighted 3 days before release for everyone.
So - yeah, 17th, could happen.
What's your prediction for the weather in Early's part of the Nether World, Beth?
I did read the whole thing, and I still think that you can't blame this on Google or Samsung. Okay, so the Nexus line hasn't been a success in the past.
BUT, everything that a Nexus "was" has completely been thrown out the window. This Nexus was not designed for a dev niche community. Just look at it.
* Biggest screen on any phone in the U.S.
* 1 of only 2 HD, 720p resolution screens
* Top of the line of available CPU/GPU
* 4G LTE speeds
* "Vanilla" Android is NOT "vanilla" anymore. It is elegant and beautiful
* It's effectively a superior SGSII (best selling phone in the world).
Could Verizon, even with all its stupidity, look at this device and say "Eh, it's just for devs. Let's put it at the bottom of the pile," ???
That's absurd.
I strongly suspect that this will be the best selling phone in the world until quad-cores come out. This will be the SGSII a few times over. BMX is tweeting that UK people are going crazy over it (he's over there as part of his Google job right now).
Verizon is capable of such boneheaded stupidity, as we have seen over and over. I think Verizon is the only one at fault here.
Agree and furthermore... we better enjoy a Nexus phone on VZW now, because I doubt that Google would be stupid enough to "partner" with them again. And with both ATT and Sprint getting LTE next year... even more the reason to tell them to kiss off.
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S-OFF explanation is correct, but the ramifications are different now. If you use the HTCdev.com bootloader unlock, you get permanent root with recovery, but it's left tagged as S-ON. No big deal, devs just provide signed images, but S-OFF is just way more convenient.
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Anyone still think this phone is landing on the 17th lol..?
Hey, why are we ruling out the 16th, still got a lot of time for Verizon to say preorders are open. Last night a guy mentioned some link tags on the Verizon site changing. I'm unfamiliar with this....anyone care to chime in?
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Hey, why are we ruling out the 16th, still got a lot of time for Verizon to say preorders are open. . . . .
Yep. And I don't think we should rule out the 14th, either. Isn't it possible that they are already on sale online but you need a special password to access it?
Someone want to try?
It could either be numerical, alpha, or a combination of the two.
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Agree and furthermore... we better enjoy a Nexus phone on VZW now, because I doubt that Google would be stupid enough to "partner" with them again. And with both ATT and Sprint getting LTE next year... even more the reason to tell them to kiss off.
Agreed. If there isn't an onslaught of unlocked-bootloader phones on Verizon before my next 2 year contract is up, I strongly suspect the SGN will be my last Verizon phone. They can keep their unlimited data. I don't use over 1GB per month as it is.
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I called Verizon last night to ask about the Rezound (and, of course, ask if she had heard anything about the GNex coming out). She didn't even know what the Rezound was...had to check her papers. So of course, she knew nothing of the GNex. I'm getting so frustrated and impatient. My ROGUE sucks big time and is on its last legs and I'm THISCLOSE to ordering a Rezound....but I feel I've waited this long, I can wait another few weeks if I have to.
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The longer this drags out, the more money I can put aside for it. I may end up just buying it unsubsidized and go month to month until Verizon pisses me off again, so I don't have to be shackled when I decide to jump off this sinking ship. (And yes, once AT&T extends its 4G network to a large area of the population, Verizon won't have the leverage it does now.)
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Something posted on XDA, apparantly via Amazon UK, that may explain the delays:
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Some info for you guys... Sammy is receiving UK stock tonight with the latest software on. We be shipping to partner tomorrow, some will have them in the afternoon. Some advise... I'd check the ones in the shops, they may tell you they are locked to o2 or whoever, but you might find they are actually not.
The suggestion is that Google have made last-minute revisions.... take it for what its worth. The original post can be found here.
Fwiw, the local Phones4U store here still expects to be selling the GN tomorrow, albeit to new contract or upgrading customers only, despite having no stock to hand as of 14.30hrs today. The manager's face was a picture when I suggested that he contact his head office about the "Oxford St only" rumour.
Haha, I've been refreshing that page periodically. I check the source occasionally too. Perhaps I'll just whip up a polling application that will notify me when the body of that page contains "nexus"
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She didn't even know what the Rezound was...had to check her papers. So of course, she knew nothing of the GNex.
Yeah, I went to a Verizon corporate store on Monday, and the sales guy asked me if I had any questions about the "Renound". I must have given him "one of those looks" because he just turned around and walked away without a single word.
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The longer this drags out, the more money I can put aside for it. I may end up just buying it unsubsidized and go month to month until Verizon pisses me off again, so I don't have to be shackled when I decide to jump off this sinking ship. (And yes, once AT&T extends its 4G network to a large area of the population, Verizon won't have the leverage it does now.)
I'd recommend just buying it subsidized still. If you want to jump ship, you won't be able to use the VZW SGN on any other carrier. With a $350 ETF, you'll still pay a total of approximately $650 if you decide you want out in a few months. Even cheaper if you've got a loyalty discount or the prices are cheaper at a place like Amazon.
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Haha, I've been refreshing that page periodically. I check the source occasionally too. Perhaps I'll just whip up a polling application that will notify me when the body of that page contains "nexus"
Not fair. I don't know how to do that.
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I hate to be the buzz kill... but I think that the marketing calendar that we saw before showing the post-Thanksgiving timeline may become the new reality. I have to believe that "final phase of testing" does not mean 24 hours... but more like 10-14 days (especially at the tortoise-like speeds that VZW execs move). And if they release it in Nov, they will likely pat themselves on the back for breaking their "end of the year" deadline. 11/28 is probably the most realistic "soonest" actual release.
I'd love to be proven wrong with a much sooner release... but it just doesn't make any sense. Either beat the BF rush or don't. But a half-assed semi-release b4 TG that nobody will know about serves them no purpose. Nor does a BF release when everybody is focused on other things (plus, the ads have already been finalized for that).
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The Rezound is rooted, but it only lasts until the phone is rebooted. They are still trying to unlock the bootloader and I think S-off is part of that process.
So for now, there's essentially no root b/c even freezing apps when you have root doesn't work b/c they revert back to unfrozen after a reboot.
Mik Mik has gotten thru the lock to S-OFF - screen shots are in the Rezound All Things Root area.
The developer models get rooted, it may take a few days to square away the processes and confirm the exploits for perm root.
Plus - I've not checked HTCdev.com - typically takes a few days after launch to get a phone listed there.
Anyway - earlier this year HTC went to a locked AND encrypted bootloader (shades of Moto). We mounted a petition, they agreed on the unlock for future phones, the future phones came out, the unlock was coming RSN (for you Pournelle fans, real soon now) - and the meantime, devs cracked their encryption.
I had the engineering/development bootloader on my Evo 4G, could have had it on my Evo 3D but still don't feel like bothering - both are S-OFF.
So - the full root tools should be publicly available pretty quickly.
HTC corporate keeps trying to build better mousetraps, but continue to fail to see that the HTC devs that are more like junkyard dogs than mice.
Anyway - if I turn out to be a liar (ummm, fat chance) - HTC has made a public commitment to give out unlock tools upon request, so either way - full root on the Rezound with recovery, just not anything to really lose sleep over.
Plus - if you're considering the Rezound as a stop gap until the Gnex hits - probably best to just enjoy it stock for the few days you'll have it anyways, imo.
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