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Old November 16th, 2011, 11:41 AM   #31101 (permalink)
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Hmm, over approximately a one hour lunch we got about 100 posts. Assuming we maintain that pace for 8 hours a day then slow down to 50 posts an hour the rest of the time that would give us approximately 1600 posts a day, however we all need to sleep and things slow down at night, so I'm going to assume we can easily average 1200 posts a day at our current rate ... We should take bets on what post we'll be on when the official Verizon announcement and link gets posted here.

Time for me to tackle a high priority project for my bosses boss though so I'll probably miss something here and it'll most likely take me like an hour to get caught up.

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If this was about anything other than the RAZR, then we'd have a GN presale right now with a ship date of no later than 12/17. Everybody wins in that scenario except the RAZR and abysmal RAZR sales.
You may be right. All I'm saying is that there are always information we don't have, and I like to have all the info before passing judgement.
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But I'm also wise enough to know that I don't know everything. Perhaps the Verizon date was never this early, and because of the UK release, we all just assumed. Point is, we don't know, and I don't necessarily believe the notion that Verizon is a giant clusterbum who can't get out of thier own way. While big companies certainly aren't infallable, you have to admit they generally have to make good decisions to make money. Just because those decisions don't line up with yours doens't immediately make it bad one.
Just had to chime in, I work for a multibillion dollar top 5 Fortune 500 company.....we make money despite ourselves and often can't get out of our own way. The bigger you are....the slower you move.
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Can I just point out that being available in one store in the country does not imho count as "a launch"? That's what it's looking like right now, and that's a nonsense. I could have walked in to CPW and bought a Nokia Lumia today, on its launch day....
Sorry, no, you must be new here.

This is the Galaxy Nexus pre-release thread.

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What does the RAZR have going for it? Amoled and thinness. GN has a better amoled screen and almost as thin (or at least thin enough that nobody would care). The GN replaces the RAZR in every way with better specs. Any semi-intelligent person walks into store... puts the two devices together with appearance/specs and picks the GN 100% of the time. RAZR sales halt to ZERO when the GN is released.
This is why, in my opinion, we have not heard a concrete release date yet. Once they give a release date people will hold off on the RAZR until the GNex is released.
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What does the RAZR have going for it? Amoled and thinness. GN has a better amoled screen and almost as thin (or at least thin enough that nobody would care). The GN replaces the RAZR in every way with better specs. Any semi-intelligent person walks into store... puts the two devices together with appearance/specs and picks the GN 100% of the time. RAZR sales halt to ZERO when the GN is released.
Also has SD card, which was a deal breaker for many here. Similar processor speed (albeit graphics clocked higher in GNex), and some may prefer the water resistance and form factor better.

Just ask Cerial Killer, who was one of the most prolific posters here, and bowed out to get the RAZR.

Different strokes for different folks, as they say. I actually think this cannibalizes sales of the Rezound more.
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OK, so here's a couple of questions for Han and the other Verizon haters.

1. If you hate Verizon and the "a-holes" so much, why not order a phone from overseas tomorrow and activate it on AT&T?

2. Would you still be as upset if Verizon had initially announced the phone would be available 12/31/11 instead of "later this year"?

3. Would you be upset if Google/Samsung/Verizon had not announced the phone until December 24, and then said it would be available a week later?

My point is that Verizon said we'd get the phone this year. "Insiders", "sources" and others are the ones who kept talking about November here in the US. Maybe you should be angry at them, or maybe you shouldn't be angry at all -- I'm assuming you're relatively healthy, have a well paying job where you don't have to work too hard, and you get to make friends on the internet. Doesn't sound like to bad of a life.

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hmm, over approximately a one hour lunch we got about 100 posts. Assuming we maintain that pace for 8 hours a day then slow down to 50 posts an hour the rest of the time that would give us approximately 1600 posts a day, however we all need to sleep and things slow down at night, so i'm going to assume we can easily average 1200 posts a day at our current rate ... We should take bets on what post we'll be on when the official verizon announcement and link gets posted here.

time for me to tackle a high priority project for my bosses boss though so i'll probably miss something here and it'll most likely take me like an hour to get caught up.
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I'm confused by some of the chatter claiming the GNex is being pushed back by Verizon to increase sales of Razr and Rezound so that Verizon can make money.

I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.

I think Verizon is just being sticklers with the testing, hoping Google will cave and allow bloat on the phone to get it released sooner rather than later.
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Droid Eris owner since pretty much day one. Now looking to jump to the GNex. The wait is killing me but hoping it'll be worth it. I've really been enjoying reading the thread for the past week or so. Thanks to everyone for all the updates and rumors.
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Well guys, I caved in and bought a RAZR last night. I couldn't stand using my old crappy flip phone, my girlfriend was getting annoyed because I hated texting on that thing, and I had to jump off this emotional roller coaster for a bit. I bought it with the intent on returning it for the Nexus once it is released, but after playing with it...wow. It really is a great phone. It is hard to believe but now I am not 100% sure if I will be giving it back...I mean, most likely I will, but we'll see once we actually have a date on the Nexus. Til then, I guess I am still observing the Nexus roller coaster...but observing from the ground instead of being on the ride lol.

EDIT: And I had the worst Customer Service experience EVER. WOW. It was horrible.

If I recall, didn't you have a similar situation with the Thunderbolt release? Am I confusing you with someone else? If so, I apologize.
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Haven't seen this video before! Another UK preview of the GN

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The primary advantages that RAZR has:
  • It's geared toward Enterprise folks.
  • It's sturdy and water-resistant.
  • It's thin.
  • It's out NOW.

So if someone simply cannot wait any longer, at least it's there to get... unlike our Beloved Nexi.
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OK, so here's two questions for Han and the other Verizon haters.

1. If you hate Verizon and the "a-holes" so much, why not order a phone from overseas tomorrow and activate it on AT&T?

2. Would you still be as upset if Verizon had initially announced the phone would be available 12/31/11 instead of "later this year"?

3. Would you be upset if Google/Samsung/Verizon had not announced the phone until December 24, and then said it would be available a week later?

My point is that Verizon said we'd get the phone this year. "Insiders", "sources" and others are the ones who kept talking about November here in the US. Maybe you should be angry at them, or maybe you shouldn't be angry at all -- I'm assuming you're relatively healthy, have a well paying job where you don't have to work too hard, and you get to make friends on the internet. Doesn't sound like to bad of a life.

Do what I'm doing and chill, when it happens it happens.
1. Because it's cheaper to buy it subsidized, eventually, from Verizon.

2. No. There would at least be some communication, and that would be enough. I would have a definite time frame in mind, and that does wonders for the human psyche.

3. Not a peep of anything until December 24? Yes, that would upset me.

And sorry, but no, "insiders" weren't the ones who threw "November in the U.S." around. Google and Samsung said it at the unveiling. Verizon had to be pushed like a damn mule to even acknowledge that they would carry it.

If it came out in December or January (but they at least communicated that to me now), I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't be hating on them as much as I am now. Lack of communication kills any relationship, be it a marriage or a business relationship.
 
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Mik Mik has gotten thru the lock to S-OFF - screen shots are in the Rezound All Things Root area.

The developer models get rooted, it may take a few days to square away the processes and confirm the exploits for perm root.

Plus - I've not checked HTCdev.com - typically takes a few days after launch to get a phone listed there.

Anyway - earlier this year HTC went to a locked AND encrypted bootloader (shades of Moto). We mounted a petition, they agreed on the unlock for future phones, the future phones came out, the unlock was coming RSN (for you Pournelle fans, real soon now) - and the meantime, devs cracked their encryption.

I had the engineering/development bootloader on my Evo 4G, could have had it on my Evo 3D but still don't feel like bothering - both are S-OFF.

So - the full root tools should be publicly available pretty quickly.

HTC corporate keeps trying to build better mousetraps, but continue to fail to see that the HTC devs that are more like junkyard dogs than mice.

Anyway - if I turn out to be a liar (ummm, fat chance) - HTC has made a public commitment to give out unlock tools upon request, so either way - full root on the Rezound with recovery, just not anything to really lose sleep over.

Plus - if you're considering the Rezound as a stop gap until the Gnex hits - probably best to just enjoy it stock for the few days you'll have it anyways, imo.
I just hope this stopgap doesn't turn out to be longer than we think. Looking very forward to doing a screen comparison.
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I'm confused by some of the chatter claiming the GNex is being pushed back by Verizon to increase sales of Razr and Rezound so that Verizon can make money.

I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.

I think Verizon is just being sticklers with the testing, hoping Google will cave and allow bloat on the phone to get it released sooner rather than later.
Verizon probably committed to buying a crap ton of Razr's from Moto and doesn't want to get stuck with a bunch of unsold Razr's that they have to sell at 50% off the original price in order to get rid of them.
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  • It's thin.
  • It's out NOW.

So if someone simply cannot wait any longer, at least it's there to get... unlike our Beloved Nexi.
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Curious as to why the gag order on drandrews till tomorrow .... there's been tons of videos of the phone on YouTube. ...
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Price is Right rules should always apply...to everything

I'm pretty sure Verizon big shots are somewhere in a board room playing Plinko right now to decide the release date
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Also has SD card, which was a deal breaker for many here. Similar processor speed (albeit graphics clocked higher in GNex), and some may prefer the water resistance and form factor better.

Just ask Cerial Killer, who was one of the most prolific posters here, and bowed out to get the RAZR.

Different strokes for different folks, as they say. I actually think this cannibalizes sales of the Rezound more.
It will cannibalize both... but the RAZR is what they care about. The Rezound is HTC's problem. Walk into a VZW store and you tell me what phone you think is most important to them. Even the iPhone display is minuscule compared to the 50 promotional pieces/displays of the RAZR.

95+% of the people will not need/use more than 32GB (nor care to switch out cards). That is a small niche that really need that feature. Kevlar, water proofing, and gorilla glass are nice but can't imagine they are on the top 10 list of anyone's most important features. The GN will kill the RAZR (and likely the Rezound). VZW is trying to recover as much loss as possible right now in the very stupid decision that they made to release both at relatively the same time.

They have to make a hard decision right now. Do we keep trying to sell RAZR's and hope that people cave in with lack of info on the GN? Or do we take the hit on the RAZR to save losing many customers to other carriers with the SGSII and other devices and much cheaper prices/plans.

I think that they are trying to walk the fence right now b/c they don't know what to do and are probably watching sales every day to help them know when to pull the trigger on the GN.
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I'm confused by some of the chatter claiming the GNex is being pushed back by Verizon to increase sales of Razr and Rezound so that Verizon can make money.

I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.

I think Verizon is just being sticklers with the testing, hoping Google will cave and allow bloat on the phone to get it released sooner rather than later.
If that was the case Im out. Will leave VZW and get a GN on ATT.
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I'm confused by some of the chatter claiming the GNex is being pushed back by Verizon to increase sales of Razr and Rezound so that Verizon can make money.

I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.

I think Verizon is just being sticklers with the testing, hoping Google will cave and allow bloat on the phone to get it released sooner rather than later.
But the theory a lot of folks seem to believe is that Verizon makes more money when selling bloated phone like Razr vs vanilla android phone like Nexus. I'm not 100% sure if this is correct. Just saying it's the perception of many.
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Ahh, but I'm also showing solidarity by getting wound-up and angry with the lack of communication and sheer ineptitude being shown by corporations who should know (and do) better.

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I'm confused by some of the chatter claiming the GNex is being pushed back by Verizon to increase sales of Razr and Rezound so that Verizon can make money.

I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.

I think Verizon is just being sticklers with the testing, hoping Google will cave and allow bloat on the phone to get it released sooner rather than later.
Very good point! Never thought of that pertaining to this specific situation. Makes you really wonder what the hold up is...
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I don't believe in all the december release date gloom. Matias said november, and that picture (which could be fake) that said 11/21 (w/o) has been correct up to this point so I'm going to bank on that.
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Case in point... how many Bionics do you think they sold after releasing the RAZR? They'd probably have a hard time giving away Bionics for free right now. And that phone released 2 months ago. They took a bath on the Bionic and they are going to take a bath on the RAZR. Right now is all about decreasing the water in the bath tub as much as possible.
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I still find it interesting that I have yet to hear of one Verizon rep (of those I've spoken with or what I'm hearing on the boards) claim that they've been selling a bunch of RAZRs thus far. Sounds like 11.11.11 was a dud as far as the campaign went. Makes me wonder what the mainstream user might not like about the unit, us power users aside. Obviously, i don't have access to Verizon's sales figures etc, but I also haven't seen a single RAZR in someone's hands outside of a Verizon store yet. I hope whatever ad campaign comes out for the GNex in the states fares better, not that I'm holding my breath.
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But the theory a lot of folks seem to believe is that Verizon makes more money when selling bloated phone like Razr vs vanilla android phone like Nexus. I'm not 100% sure if this is correct. Just saying it's the perception of many.
YES... but they have an investment in the RAZR. If nothing else, millions in advertising. How do they recover that investment if nobody will buy the phone?
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I'm assuming you're relatively healthy, have a well paying job where you don't have to work too hard, and you get to make friends on the internet. Doesn't sound like to bad of a life.

Do what I'm doing and chill, when it happens it happens.
No, it's a great life. Unfortunately, the qualities that make me a good "dog" on cases also make me extremely impatient and irritable under certain circumstances, like dealing with morons withholding something I need.

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I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.
I think that's a given. But they fact is that their clients also want to make money on this deal. There may be multiple facets to this delay... pad as much as they can for the RAZR and Moto, and after seeing how much interest this phone is getting, I'm of the opinion they are going to push this a little harder than they originally thought.

As others have said, SW delays are solves with OTA updates. HW delays, no likely since Sammy and Google have been pushing VZWs button to get this movin. i'm going to assume cincybearcat actually spoke to a bigger wig at vzw and take his comment about no delays as true.

But for marketing? If they think they can swindle enough people from ATT, sprint, etc during the holidays for the FIRST ICS phone, the FIRST vzw Nexus device, and the ONLY Nexus LTE phone to make even more money, this would warrant (IMO) a delay for proper launch with proper marketing. And of course with how hard they've been pushing the RAZR, they may feel like they need some breathing room before pushing too hard for another phone.

Not sure that this holds much water for the overseas delays...
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I don't believe in all the december release date gloom. Matias said november, and that picture (which could be fake) that said 11/21 (w/o) has been correct up to this point so I'm going to bank on that.
I hope that you are right... but 11/21 is 3 business days from now. Why not just release w/o on 11/18 if that was the case?
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1. Because it's cheaper to buy it subsidized, eventually, from Verizon.

2. No. There would at least be some communication, and that would be enough. I would have a definite time frame in mind, and that does wonders for the human psyche.

3. Not a peep of anything until December 24? Yes, that would upset me.

And sorry, but no, "insiders" weren't the ones who threw "November in the U.S." around. Google and Samsung said it at the unveiling. Verizon had to be pushed like a damn mule to even acknowledge that they would carry it.

If it came out in December or January (but they at least communicated that to me now), I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't be hating on them as much as I am now. Lack of communication kills any relationship, be it a marriage or a business relationship.
I thought you said you decided you were going to go the unsubsidized route so you didn't have to deal with another VZW contract?

I just don't get all the vitriol over this, it's like a kid crying over the fact that his parent's won't give him a present when he wants, even though they said he'd get it eventually.
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OK, so here's a couple of questions for Han and the other Verizon haters.

1. If you hate Verizon and the "a-holes" so much, why not order a phone from overseas tomorrow and activate it on AT&T?
I'm personally with VZW for ONE REASON ONLY, as I've said before they have hands down, by leaps and bounds, etc the best cell network in the country.

I've been to AT&T, their network SUCKS monkey !$!@ by comparison. I use my cell for work and as my only phone line ( no land line) it NEEDS to work.
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I am not a Verizon hater. But I definitely followed the Bionic for 6+ months and am currently awaiting the Gnex atm. I love Verizon's coverage and I am a grandfathered unlimited so I will not be switching. Besides being expensive (which I don't mind, pay for the quality I suppose although some people might argue it). I just want to answer some questions from a different perspective because I don't really understand big company's policy on having to be so damned secretive and seemingly unorganized.

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1. If you hate Verizon and the "a-holes" so much, why not order a phone from overseas tomorrow and activate it on AT&T?
For me at least, it's coverage around here. It's the fact that for me personally, I do have grandfathered unlimited. I think my important point is that while Verizon may be the worst (at least for the moment), all large companies do things like this. I have always been a Verizon person, but from what I've seen/heard AT&T and T-Mobile etc., all do the exact same things we hate or dislike. If there ever was a revolutionary company that actually did everything I wanted (maybe "we", I don't want to speak for anyone else here), I would drop Verizon in a heartbeat. Even if it wasn't the giant conglomerate that Verizon is.

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2. Would you still be as upset if Verizon had initially announced the phone would be available 12/31/11 instead of "later this year"?
Honestly, I would be nowhere near as upset. I might not have had this much hype for the Gnex seeing as I personally wouldn't want to wait that long. But I would absolutely not ever gotten mad or upset about it. I in fact would almost be astonishingly surprised and respect VZW that much more for their organization and great customer response.

The obvious caveat is that I just wouldn't have probably gone with Gnex. But that's for my situation specifically, my OG Droid is beyond on its last legs.

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3. Would you be upset if Google/Samsung/Verizon had not announced the phone until December 24, and then said it would be available a week later?
I again, would love this as well. But it depends on if they had announced anything about it earlier, or other rumors, etc that had been leaked. We all know that Google/Samsung/Whomever all read and monitor forums etc. and read at least some of our feedback. We also know that at least once (maybe not specifically here for Gnex, but for sure other phones, products etc.) that the companies purposefully allow information to be "accidently" released or leaked just to generate hype (OMG I left my iphone 6 in a bar!).

The annoying part is the being strung a long. They want huge hype. They want a following. Then they are either unorganized or jerkish enough to continue it along for profit and not reward the loyal followers/customers. Or at least that's how it appears from a customer's standpoint.
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I'm confused by some of the chatter claiming the GNex is being pushed back by Verizon to increase sales of Razr and Rezound so that Verizon can make money.

I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.

Joe Schmo can go into a Verizon store and have a wealth of options and get the phone that he really wants, instead of settling for one he isn't happy with or worse yet leaving without a phone or contract.

I think Verizon is just being sticklers with the testing, hoping Google will cave and allow bloat on the phone to get it released sooner rather than later.
I don't think Verizon is concerned about which one WE decide to buy, you're right in that aspect. I think their concern is that the series of events didn't line up well to keep the phonemakers all happy and that is what Verizon is trying to do.

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Gnex was supposed to release on 11/3. It was pushed back for whatever reason, doesn't matter why. Now it's too congested because we have the Razr, Rezound and Gnex all stacked up like ducks in a row. That may have been an okay deal at one point but something happened...the Gnex turned out to be a hugely sought after device. Verizon didn't see this coming and it blindsided them. So they are simply trying to appease everyone as much as possible and by "everyone" I don't mean us. We are secondary, the manufacturers are the primary concern. They want to give the Razr as much time as possible to keep relations up with Motorola and I think almost pretending to throw a bone to HTC, a lesser player in this. As another user said, if they release the Gnex tomorrow, Razr sales will stall bigtime. I think that's a true statement.

So they're milking this thing out as long as possible without completely upsetting any manufacturer although Samsung is probably starting to get itchy, idk. That's why I think it'll release fairly soon. I sincerely think they're trying to give both the Razr and the Gnex enough space that they compete with each other as minimally as possible although some overlap is certainly going to happen.
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No, it's a great life. Unfortunately, the qualities that make me a good "dog" on cases also make me extremely impatient and irritable under certain circumstances, like dealing with morons withholding something I need.

It's a trade off.

Seriously, I can't wait til this thing is released so that I can be Good, Patient Han again.
You sound like by best buddy (attorney) here in CO. His expert witness just called in sick with pneumonia, which of course delayed the trial for who knows how long. He's completely freaking out.
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I hope that you are right... but 11/21 is 3 business days from now. Why not just release w/o on 11/18 if that was the case?
Well also looks like the rumors of a soft release/not much advertising on vzw end of things look more and more to be true. So maybe 21st makes some sense BC there's wasn't alot of hoopla over the rezound...I.e. a non Droid phone....and resound was a Monday release
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I thought that Verizon makes money off of contracts, both new and renewed. If that's the case, then there wouldn't be a problem releasing the GNex now because if Verizon makes money off the contract, it doesn't matter which phone people purchase.
It matters for the future. I think VZW learned a hard lesson when they originally rejected the iPhone. People want a fun cool feature phone and while for some folks (me included) "It's the Network!", for many others it's the phone. VZW really lacked in the cool phone dept before that mistake and they lost a lot of customers.

If VZW ticks off Moto and HTC by not giving those phones a chance to sell, the next round of phone making contracts might get ugly for them.

It's ugly any way you slice it and I'm quite sure that the lack of news/release is being driven by money.
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OK, so here's a couple of questions for Han and the other Verizon haters.

1. If you hate Verizon and the "a-holes" so much, why not order a phone from overseas tomorrow and activate it on AT&T?

2. Would you still be as upset if Verizon had initially announced the phone would be available 12/31/11 instead of "later this year"?

3. Would you be upset if Google/Samsung/Verizon had not announced the phone until December 24, and then said it would be available a week later?

My point is that Verizon said we'd get the phone this year. "Insiders", "sources" and others are the ones who kept talking about November here in the US. Maybe you should be angry at them, or maybe you shouldn't be angry at all -- I'm assuming you're relatively healthy, have a well paying job where you don't have to work too hard, and you get to make friends on the internet. Doesn't sound like to bad of a life.

Do what I'm doing and chill, when it happens it happens.
1. I gots tah have my LTE on 700mhz! AT&T has it now, but is of limited coverage and they don't own as wide a 700mhz piece of spectrum so in densely populated areas are going to clog up bandwidth faster. Not to mention AT&T LTE coverage will probably ALWAYS lag VZW.

2. NOPE. That would be a date and it would be before the post holiday drop dead return date to switch from one of the other LTE devices that are OK they just launched.

3. NOPE. That would be very smart. Problem is I think Google/Samsung were ready to announce when they did and release tomorrow, but something about getting a Nexus on the Verizon network means they can't control the launch. If I were Google I would have threatened HUGE lawsuits related to 700mhz spectrum auction rules if I was not allowed to control all aspects of Nexus launch on VZW and get subsidy availability for the device. If I fault Google in any way it is that they aren't playing hardball enough with VZW on this.

BTW, I am chill and ok with it happening whenever, but don't like how VZW controls devices when they are self admittedly a network service provider first and foremost and not a device retailer/provider. I will always be anti-VZW until they get off their high horse and accept MANY of their customers just want them to be a dumb pipe network service provider for them and not the be all end all end to end device/service/support/local wireless gadget geek hangout/ and all else they try to be currently. I want VZW to be an entity I send a check to so I have wireless data services on various devices for my family and NOTHING more.
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