i understand the rationale, and i also am one who doesn't believe that hating on VZW (even if deserved) is worthwhile. BUT, here is where i think your reasoning breaks down: EVERYONE who has reviewed this device has not given any indication of technical difficulties. by all accounts, and from all the info we have, this device is ready to go. rather, the info that is coming out (albeit from anonymous sources, but it's still info) is that the "technical issues" are being caused by VZW, itself!! in other words, the phone isn't coming out yet because VZW is trying to take a Nexus, and make it not-quite-a-Nexus by adding VZW apps - which, in turn, is causing "technical issues."
by way of example, lets assume you have leased a car, and your lease is about to expire. the new model of your car has been released by the manufacturer in Europe and other countries, with no issues. but, here in the US, the exclusive dealer for your auto wants to put on some after-market add-ons, to promote the dealership. these add-ons don't make the vehicle more efficient, run better, or worth more - in fact, most of the people waiting for the auto don't want the add-ons. however, these dealer add-ons are causing problems with the car, and the dealer is telling you that you will have to wait for a few more weeks while it sorts out these "technical issues."
now, are you saying there's no reason whatsoever to be upset with that set of circumstances?!
I really cannot disagree with what you are saying!
Thank you!
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I've been too busy at work and just caught up. I get news in at the weirdest times and have to edit out personal stuff from The Source, who is now my friend. My friend trusts me to edit out personal stuff.
If I'm at work or if I'm driving I can't edit, but I feel you should know, especially since folks are always asking me for info both here and in inbox. So I tell you when info hits my inbox. I am self-employed and very, very busy. So I post what and when I can.
I apologize for any hardship or inconvenience this causes.
No apology required. Keep doing exactly what you've been doing Stephen.
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I've been too busy at work and just caught up. I get news in at the weirdest times and have to edit out personal stuff from The Source, who is now my friend. My friend trusts me to edit out personal stuff.
If I'm at work or if I'm driving I can't edit, but I feel you should know, especially since folks are always asking me for info both here and in inbox. So I tell you when info hits my inbox. I am self-employed and very, very busy. So I post what and when I can.
I apologize for any hardship or inconvenience this causes.
Thank you for everything Steven! I think I speak for a lot of us here in saying you're awesome and keep doing what you're doing!
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Get your wife one.
ROFLM-non-Nexus-havin'-AO!
My Darling Bride couldn't work Beam! Sad to say this, and I love her and all, but methinks a Jitterbug would confound her. She's technologically declined, to say the least
The idea that VZW could fix everything by just being "more transparent" sounds nice, but it just isn't realistic. For two reasons.
First, it wouldn't actually help anything. I guarantee that if they put out a press release explaining the reasons for the delay, there would immediately be responses from people saying "I call BS. They're just delaying it because they want to sell more RAZRs" or whatever. We've already seen that reaction to the e-mail responses some people have gotten. So why bother?
Second, no corporation works that way. You don't voluntarily announce that one of your products is faulty and then explain exactly what's wrong with it. Especially since the vast majority of Verizon's customers are NOT all that concerned about the Nexus (most customers won't know about it until it's available). Why tell people in advance: "We've got this great new phone coming, but it's got problems!" Far better to just wait until you have a product that works, and then announce it to the world.
It's also unrealistic to say "I don't care if there are bugs! Just release it and fix the bugs later!" In saying that, you're forgetting that customer service is a HUGE expense for a company like Verizon. Each and every customer-service call they receive costs them a certain number of dollars. Developing and pushing out an OTA costs money. Fixing the problems that inevitably arise when an OTA fails on somebody's device costs money. It would be foolish and irresonsible for Verizon to knowingly release a device that has bugs.
Verizon's official position has always been:
- We're going to release the Galaxy Nexus before the end of the year.
- We'll let you know when it's ready.
I don't see where in there they have lied, jerked anybody around, played games, or behaved in any way unethically. It appears to me that they are acting like a responsible publicly-traded corporation should act.
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Ok, I've let the news soak in and cooled down a bit...I still plan on purchasing this phone but am not happy about the delay. There is absolutely no reason to delay this over software issues. If it's hardware, then we're in for a long delay. Release the phone and start prepping OTA updates and shoot them out ASAP.
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Originally Posted by Steven58
I've been too busy at work and just caught up. I get news in at the weirdest times and have to edit out personal stuff from The Source, who is now my friend. My friend trusts me to edit out personal stuff.
If I'm at work or if I'm driving I can't edit, but I feel you should know, especially since folks are always asking me for info both here and in inbox. So I tell you when info hits my inbox. I am self-employed and very, very busy. So I post what and when I can.
I apologize for any hardship or inconvenience this causes.
No apologizing. You do us all a great service with your VOLUNTARY information.
Yes, I bolded it because Steven is in no way, shape or form obligated to give us anything other than fair modding. Don't like it - don't read it.
There, I feel better and have now said what I wanted.
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I'm in middle TN... I'll have to beam with myself
::chuckling behind hand::
That sounds so dirty.
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I've been too busy at work and just caught up. I get news in at the weirdest times and have to edit out personal stuff from The Source, who is now my friend. My friend trusts me to edit out personal stuff.
If I'm at work or if I'm driving I can't edit, but I feel you should know, especially since folks are always asking me for info both here and in inbox. So I tell you when info hits my inbox. I am self-employed and very, very busy. So I post what and when I can.
I apologize for any hardship or inconvenience this causes.
You have nothing to appologize for!
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My Darling Bride couldn't work Beam! Sad to say this, and I love her and all, but methinks a Jitterbug would confound her. She's technologically declined, to say the least
she just needs to put it up against yours and it should work
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Early can we please PLEASE get a slap-smack-spit button installed?
What do you want, money? I can give you money! A car? I know a chop shop owner in Chicago that can get you a Lexus.
Name your price!
If we did it, I would have to say it would cost something to do it. Either a monetary fee, or like 10 thanks subtracted from your total for each one... Otherwise guaranteed this place would turn into a Three Stooges episode.
edit: On second thought, it probably still would.
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So 12/8/11 jives with what the VZW rep told me this morning, somewhat. I bet they make an official announcement, then open for preorders on 12/1, with delivery date expected to be 12/8 (and in stores same day, perhaps?)
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The reason why Verizon has not announced anything regarding this phone and the rest of the world is releasing it is pretty obvious
1) They are bloating the phone - Although Apple and the iPhone get perfect treatment, updates from apple, no pre-installed verizon apps whatsoever, they couldn't care less about Google. They see the money in the iPhone and giving Apple what they want, and the decision is made.
2) They are desperately trying to sell the Droid RAZR. Verizon and Motorola have always had a good relationship, and this particular phone furthers both the Droid and the RAZR brand names.
What they want is for people to cave, to give in and say "I'm getting a RAZR". It is a more profitable device for them and their brand. Honestly, I would not be the least bit surprised to see the released date pushed way past December 8th. From their perspective, we are all a flock of potential RAZR owners. The longer they hold onto the Nexus, the more people will jump off the Nexus bandwagon.
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she just needs to put it up against yours and it should work
Yes, I think that's part of the curriculum in most health classes now.
"How to beam responsibly."
Make sure you both have screen protectors.
I know, I know, all the kids say only one needs it, but trust me, you don't want that nasty scratch always there, reminding you of that stupid Beam session you wish you could take back.
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Or maybe just leave it off since nobody really has a clue when it will launch.....
Just figured since most sources on here are jiving towards 12/8 - it gives us something pretty to look at.
I'll just look at it on my phone then.
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On a side note, those of you who are trying to defend VZW in saying they have done nothing wrong... *Sigh*. Correct, they have not yet broken any promises. But that does not mean they shouldn't be held to a higher standard. When they are the exclusive carrier of a phone announced months ago, and the rest of the world is receiving it, it is just abusive to do what Verizon is doing. Not a lie, not illegal, but definitely abusive and shameless.
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Yes, I think that's part of the curriculum in most health classes now.
"How to beam responsibly."
Make sure you both have screen protectors.
I know, I know, all the kids say only one needs it, but trust me, you don't want that nasty scratch always there, reminding you of that stupid Beam session you wish you could take back.
Wow that was hysterical....sorry
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I wonder how many would purchase the phone outright if they offered it. I know when Google first launched the N1 you could only purchase it through them. It probably was not the best rout to take for them, but it was nice to skip the carriers. Since I paid full price for my N1 I would gladly do the same now and deal with the bugs to bypass this migraine that Verizon is causing.
Just a thought because sometimes people are willing to pay more for less stress.
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Eek
ok was 1st on this one BB
Cause I was lookin for the pic I posted.
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Originally Posted by HanSolo
Yes, I think that's part of the curriculum in most health classes now.
"How to beam responsibly."
Make sure you both have screen protectors.
I know, I know, all the kids say only one needs it, but trust me, you don't want that nasty scratch always there, reminding you of that stupid Beam session you wish you could take back.
LMAO!!!!
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I was NOT being dirty!
But I like the way you think
If it can be misconstrued in some gutter-ish way, I'll find it.
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I'd like to add my own considered insight below this quoted thread:
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Please allow me to pinch hit here, Steven may choose to say more later (or not).
Inside sources typically have their jobs on the line if caught.
For that reason, we always shy away from any public discussions of vetting.
Also, when reading any insider info, there are a number of factors for readers to consider, vetting is just one - but it all comes down to credibility.
When bringing insider info forward, be it staff or any member - or having self-claimed insiders come forward on their own - AndroidForums.com has an official policy on this, I'll paraphrase it to remove staff references, however, the paraphrasing is dead accurate:
The information and claims are laid open to our community. We expect the wisdom of the community working together to determine the final truth. If you accept or reject a source's credibility, that is your protected right here at AF. Just don't hate about it and don't engage in arguments about credibility or vetting - that it makes it personal and is not about issues.
The basic idea where a mod is concerned is don't trust us if we say it because we're staff - treat us per normal as members here like yourself (QFT: we are members first and just volunteers doing a temporary job on staff) and use your own judgement to place your trust.
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Having completed the staff statements, here are my personal views.
Steven is no one's fool, he's a mondo good guy
Clearly, Admin (Phases) has sufficient trust to back Steven's play on this thread
Clearly, the site owner (Rob) has sufficient trust to accept Steven's source for Phandroid articles
Corporations can, have and will vet quislings to torpedo us - quasi-sources whose sole purpose is to spread disinformation
Corporations can, have and will distribute disinfo or bent information so they can track and fire employees leaking information
In every corporation, there is one person high enough up to make a final determination on things like a release date (with support from those below handling the various components of logistics for the release)
That guy is the one whose head we want into
Information changes - No plan survives engagement with the enemy
A fully credible insider's information is only valid for the time he gives it - information changes
Steven's no fool.
Hope this helps!
PS -
Quoted for truth!
What he said.
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I wonder how many would purchase the phone outright if they offered it. I know when Google first launched the N1 you could only purchase it through them. It probably was not the best rout to take for them, but it was nice to skip the carriers. Since I paid full price for my N1 I would gladly do the same now and deal with the bugs to bypass this migraine that Verizon is causing.
Just a thought because sometimes people are willing to pay more for less stress.
I would. To be guaranteed it works directly from Google - they twisted at the mere thought.
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No apology required. Keep doing exactly what you've been doing Stephen.
Who is Stephen?
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The reason why Verizon has not announced anything regarding this phone and the rest of the world is releasing it is pretty obvious
1) They are bloating the phone - Although Apple and the iPhone get perfect treatment, updates from apple, no pre-installed verizon apps whatsoever, they couldn't care less about Google. They see the money in the iPhone and giving Apple what they want, and the decision is made.
2) They are desperately trying to sell the Droid RAZR. Verizon and Motorola have always had a good relationship, and this particular phone furthers both the Droid and the RAZR brand names.
What they want is for people to cave, to give in and say "I'm getting a RAZR". It is a more profitable device for them and their brand. Honestly, I would not be the least bit surprised to see the released date pushed way past December 8th. From their perspective, we are all a flock of potential RAZR owners. The longer they hold onto the Nexus, the more people will jump off the Nexus bandwagon.
That is all true, but while it may not be lucrative this go around, Verizon risks never having a Google flagship phone on its network again. The next time, they may need it. Google and whatever manufacturers it chooses are not going to be pushed around again and again by a carrier, no matter how good their network is. I fully believe the higher ups at Verizon realize this, but they really are in a no win situation considering HTC and Motorola released two high end phones in the same month already.
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On a side note, those of you who are trying to defend VZW in saying they have done nothing wrong... *Sigh*. Correct, they have not yet broken any promises. But that does not mean they shouldn't be held to a higher standard. When they are the exclusive carrier of a phone announced months ago, and the rest of the world is receiving it, it is just abusive to do what Verizon is doing. Not a lie, not illegal, but definitely abusive and shameless.
I think it's safe to say there is no need to specify you are speaking "on a side note" when you post here.
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My Darling Bride couldn't work Beam! Sad to say this, and I love her and all, but methinks a Jitterbug would confound her. She's technologically declined, to say the least
Same with my lady. She's been rocking a Samsung Intensity for close on two years now, and had the classic LG Voyager before that.
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2) They are desperately trying to sell the Droid RAZR. Verizon and Motorola have always had a good relationship, and this particular phone furthers both the Droid and the RAZR brand names.
Before the Atrix, I might not have had much issue with your line of thought. Verizon essentially saved Motorola Mobility with the Droid, and Motorola saved Verizon's sales year by giving them a legitimate smart phone that people weren't embarrassed to carry, or did not want/couldn't switch to AT&T for an iPhone.
There is no loyalty in big business. It turned out that the Atrix was awful, but at the time, Motorola essentially gave an extremely technically superior phone to Verizon's chief competitor who had shown zero love for Android, Motorola, or open systems.
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I wonder how many would purchase the phone outright if they offered it. I know when Google first launched the N1 you could only purchase it through them. It probably was not the best rout to take for them, but it was nice to skip the carriers. Since I paid full price for my N1 I would gladly do the same now and deal with the bugs to bypass this migraine that Verizon is causing.
Just a thought because sometimes people are willing to pay more for less stress.
I'm in.....tell me where I can send my $700
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The reason why Verizon has not announced anything regarding this phone and the rest of the world is releasing it is pretty obvious
1) They are bloating the phone - Although Apple and the iPhone get perfect treatment, updates from apple, no pre-installed verizon apps whatsoever, they couldn't care less about Google. They see the money in the iPhone and giving Apple what they want, and the decision is made.
2) They are desperately trying to sell the Droid RAZR. Verizon and Motorola have always had a good relationship, and this particular phone furthers both the Droid and the RAZR brand names.
What they want is for people to cave, to give in and say "I'm getting a RAZR". It is a more profitable device for them and their brand. Honestly, I would not be the least bit surprised to see the released date pushed way past December 8th. From their perspective, we are all a flock of potential RAZR owners. The longer they hold onto the Nexus, the more people will jump off the Nexus bandwagon.
I thought at this point, the RAZR sales point and bloatware has been dismissed.
Verizon is installing a total of 2 apps to the phone, and in the future, even iPhones will get these apps as well.
If RAZR sales were so important, they never would have released the Rezound 3 days later.
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So I take from this you are not going to be picking up your GNex this week as earlier reported
Never said I was...said it was reported in these forums it would be available today.
The rep lead me to believe they had them in back, now I'm thinking maybe she did this just to prevent me from returning the Razr. I am probably returning it tonight and going with AT&T.
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