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Old October 8th, 2011, 07:57 AM   #4401 (permalink)
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ok.... this time FOR SURE is the probably most likely the Nexus Prime going through the FCC i give you, the GT-I9250

Looks like it has freqs for Att maybe t-mobile? can't see nfc? anyways check it out

edit: No Att/Ver LTE 700 freqs

edit 2: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout =500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=150400&fcc_i d='A3LGTI9250'

link for those that want to pour over it themselves
and this is it? no LTE in gsm-verison? kinda disappointed, but one question..

how can the FCC (which is clearly in North America) check on all frequences?

i mean, come on, you guys there do not have a single operator that offers GSM LTE (only WiMax / HSPA+ / ...); verizon is the only LTE-operator and it uses CDMA not GSM...

i probably think that the nexus Prime gsm-version will have LTE support, but the FCC just wasn't able to test it...

here in germany we're using GSM LTE @800MHz & @2,6Ghz... hopefully we'll get to see a GSM-LTE-nexus prime..

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I'm really starting to feel strongly that there is ONLY ONE phone. One. That's it. I think the phones that have been leaked are test devices, and Google/Samsung are keeping tight wraps on the final device. They aren't even letting the majority of testers see the final device or use it. They are letting testers test on a device that is kinda like the Galaxy SII, but the device they are testing on IS NOT the device teased in the "Something Big Is Coming" video. There is one device. It's the one coming to all carriers. It will release on Verizon first and then the same device will release on the other carriers a month or two later. It will be the exact same Nexus phone for all carriers, except for radios, just as they've always done. The reason some people are thinking there are two devices is because of the test hardware phones that testers are using. They are simply test devices, they are not going to be mass produced. The final build will be, and that is the "beast" that is super sexy and polished and was teased in the CTIA video from Samsung. The. End.
People said the same thing about the G1. There was a massively epic thread on TmoNews about how the G1 pictures that leaked were not the actualphone that would launch. Software and hardware must be tested in congruence with one another in order to get the final package as perfect as possible. I believe the newer leaked phones and the nexus in the Samsung teaser are one and the same. They'll never get it right if they test the hardware and software separately.
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People said the same thing about the G1. There was a massively epic thread on TmoNews about how the G1 pictures that leaked were not the actualphone that would launch. Software and hardware must be tested in congruence with one another in order to get the final package as perfect as possible. I believe the newer leaked phones and the nexus in the Samsung teaser are one and the same. They'll never get it right if they test the hardware and software separately.
I agree with this. If they're going to be released together, they've got to test together, and extensively.

I believe the phone we saw in the leaked video is the Nexus that everyone (US and rest of the world) is getting. The profile wasn't shown off, you can't really tell the curve of the glass, and all we saw was a giant screen.

I, for one, wasn't surprised by the look of it. There have been reports before about how it looked like a bigger Nexus S. That's what it looked like to me.

Edit: Remember guys, there's going to be pros and cons to this phone. It can't satisfy everyone, because we all have different tastes. I like curves on the corners, others like ugly boxy angles like the OG Droid. (Although I wouldn't mind the angled look in the Spyder).

I'm even betting that some people might walk into Verizon, play with the Nexus, and be underwhelmed and go a different route. There is no end-all be-all phone, and there never will be.

I'm getting the Prime because of screen, no capacitive buttons, and hopefully a great experience in OS. Others won't be able to get over the form factor.

C'est la vie
 
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AHA!! so after doing some more research it looks like it's going to be an ATT/Tmobile freq single phone. i wasn't aware that tmob used the 850/1900 for it's GSM/2G/Edge speeds (although i should have) so the 1700mhz is their HSPA+ freq.

i wonder if its going to be 21 or 42mbps?

also it technically could still have nfc. i just went back and looked at the docs for the i777 and the only place it said RFID was at the bottom of the page under EUT Type which listed most of the relevant specs of things that broadcast. i was under the impression that on the radio diagram they listed the RFID radio also but turns out they didn't so....

I'm not the one to research frequencies and you seem to have the knowledge to do this, I saw you posted the info you found above regarding this device and it's ability to work with AT&T and T Mobile but doesn't T Mobile need both 1700mhz and 2100 mhz to work on their network?

Does this device has those capabilities?

If not would that indicate that T Mobile will not be getting the Nexus device?
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Ahhh! I've been touched, I've been touched!

vz_wired just posted a public message on my profile!

Ahhhh! I feel so tingly!!
 
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Ahhh! I've been touched, I've been touched!

vz_wired just posted a public message on my profile!

Ahhhh! I feel so tingly!!
So, Han, could you recap what your sis has been able to verify for us?
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So, Han, could you recap what your sis has been able to verify for us?

I was just about to!

She has said that it is stock (No Touchwiz), will release november 3 (she'd heard Nov. 17 before, but now says 3rd), and that it will replace the Charge.

I can't remember if she said anything else important. Also, note that he says she was right "at the time".

So we're back to square one. Damn you VZ!!!

 
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I was just about to!

She has said that it is stock (No Touchwiz), will release november 3 (she'd heard Nov. 17 before, but now says 3rd), and that it will replace the Charge.

I can't remember if she said anything else important. Also, note that he says she was right "at the time".

So we're back to square one. Damn you VZ!!!


Yeah, Its good to know that there's agreement though. I want so much to take all of this as a good sign. I wonder what sort of sacrifices best please the phone gods...
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Yeah, Its good to know that there's agreement though. I want so much to take all of this as a good sign. I wonder what sort of sacrifices best please the phone gods...
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Lol. Now we just need to lure some out...

Gee. I sure hate iPhones. Grrr. They are so inferior to Android...

Now we wait.
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Bingo. The major feature of ICS is ICS. It's a major UI overhaul for users and, more importantly, developers. It's an operating system that is smart enough to know if it's a phone or if it's a tablet. Developers only have to write an app once and the user gets to enjoy it in it's most optimized form whether on a phone or a tablet.

This is extremely innovative compared to the iPad which runs identical software as the 3.5 inch iPhone. Developers have to write a separate app if they want it to be tablet optimized. Apple is content with blowing up phone apps and running them on a 9 inch screen. I am not.

This strategy is working for Apple, for now. The more Google tries to innovate and create new things, the more little things will go wrong. This is why non techy consumers are turned off by Android because it's "buggy"... well, yeah, but it's trying to be something special. Everyone knows things have to get worse before they get better, and this is the update that I believe will make everything better.

We have many posters in here claiming to be weary about ICS. They expect it to be buggy because it's a new OS. It's not a new OS. This is version 4.0. Android has come a long way, and it's not slowing down. With Apple fanbois actually upset about the iPhone 4S, actually contemplating switching to Android.. we're on the verge of a revolution.

Let's just hope it's not with Windows Phone :-P

Actually you are really wrong about most of this. iOS reports the device so a developer can leverage that how they see fit. Most developers use that to force tablet users to double dip for a "tablet optimized" version. Even in android currently a developer can change things about the app if it is running on honeycomb, gingerbread, or any previous version.

ICS isn't a new OS. It's an evolution of android. They don't rewrite the OS from scratch each time. New feature are added, old ones removed, refactored, or left alone.


Every piece of software is potentially buggy, and trust me, iOS is buggy as hell too, just like iTunes, and the horrible IDE apple forces devs to use (X-code).

Apple just had a very good snake oil salesman for years.
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Yeah, Its good to know that there's agreement though. I want so much to take all of this as a good sign. I wonder what sort of sacrifices best please the phone gods...
I'm going to take one for the team and offer up my cat. Wife won't be happy, phone gods probably won't care, but I'll sure be a lot happier for a while. Its encouraging to know that we have the right specs somewhere. I can't say that I would be disappointed in the slightest at any of the predictions/leaks.
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I was just about to!

She has said that it is stock (No Touchwiz), will release november 3 (she'd heard Nov. 17 before, but now says 3rd), and that it will replace the Charge.

I can't remember if she said anything else important. Also, note that he says she was right "at the time".

So we're back to square one. Damn you VZ!!!

Dates square with what P3 has said for a month or so and lines up with the BMX "poem." Sorry BMX, love your tweets, but keep your day job!

Also squares with P3 saying that the phone was stock Android - no TW - so either way I'm happy with some corroboration!
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SUMMARY: There could be two phones, there could be one. Testers may have gotten a fake phone to test on, while the legendary REAL one is locked in a vault until reveal and in armed guarded warehouses waiting for release. We Verizoneers have been assured we'll be VERY HAPPY. The reveal was delayed, but not release: which could happen anytime between October 27th and November 17th... most likely November 3rd. I think that pretty much sums up the last 50 pages or so
Yep. And there will likely be one of several processors, possibly 1.2 and hopefully 1.5, camera specs are up in the air and nobody's really sure on the battery. Essentially, we know what we did on page 10.
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Okay. So we are taking it again from the top?

I've been lurking this forum for quite some time now, and felt I should finally speak up...
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1] I can solidly confirm the November third date.

2] I can solidly confirm this phone to be a game changer.

3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

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1] I can solidly confirm the November third date.

2] I can solidly confirm this phone to be a game changer.

3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

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That sounds like you've been paid a visit...I am stoked, now it's time to relax and enjoy the weekend watch some football and wait!

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1] I can solidly confirm the November third date.

2] I can solidly confirm this phone to be a game changer.

3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

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What about us Tmo people....is the HSPA frequency band post from earlier right????? That if it doesn't have both 1700 & 2100, the 19250 can't be a tmo device...fcc says only 1700 &1900?
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So after waiting it out on the bionic since CES, once July rolled around and it still didn't come out I figured I may as well just wait on this bad boy. After googling "nexus prime" every night for weeks I eventually just ended up lurking this thread as well... any relevant info or links were already posted right here anyway. So after following this massive beast for weeks I just decided to hop in.

I don't have anything to really add here except my excitement for this phone. Having used a blackberry storm and storm 2 for 3 years I'm so ready for a major major upgrade that I've been holding on to since November!! It's Prime or bust for me man!!!
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2] I can solidly confirm this phone to be a game changer.

3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

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What about us Tmo people....is the HSPA frequency band post from earlier right????? That if it doesn't have both 1700 & 2100, the 19250 can't be a tmo device...fcc says only 1900 & 2100?

Sorry. No clue other than what I already said.
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Can you vaguely reveal a source for your solid information?
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Surely you can guess?? I would think he would have already if he was going to...
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What about us Tmo people....is the HSPA frequency band post from earlier right????? That if it doesn't have both 1700 & 2100, the 19250 can't be a tmo device...fcc says only 1700 &1900?
I would be utterly surprised if we saw the np out and subsidized on anything other than vzw until at least January. I think the fcc report was for phones to be sold outside the united states. I could be wrong but that is my gut feeling
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Oh I have a good guess but I harbor a fool's hope of getting a straight answer. You never know until you ask. Besides, I don't think I've ever directly spoken to Stephen and thought this might be a good time to start.
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1] I can solidly confirm the November third date.

2] I can solidly confirm this phone to be a game changer.

3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

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Just a guess. But probably the same guy who also visited me, if only to yell at me.
 
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"The FCC does not need / can't test the 2100 Mhz band as those frequencies are used for the downlink i.e. the tower is emitting and the phone is only receiving. The
phone emits RF energy on the 1700 band since this frequency band is used for the uplink in the AWS-1 spec. The FCC is checking to make sure the RF emissions from the phone conform to regulations so they test 1700Mhz and don't care about 2100Mhz as far as the phone is concerned. mmmkay? This is not a
phone spec-sheet, it is simply the FCC test results. The phone shown on that FCC summary WILL MOST DEFINITELY support full t-mo 3G and ATT's as well. It's similar to many of the recent Nokia phones in that respect."

Also the N1 didn't show 2100 on the FCC report and it launched for TMO
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Why you get yelled at? Where you naughty?
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He just told me not to ask my sister questions because she might get fired, yada yada yada. It's on my profile.
 
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Just a guess. But probably the same guy who also visited me, if only to yell at me.

My guess as well. You mentioning him writing something in your profile was the key bit of information.
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Is the first picture in the OP an official rendering or a fan-made 'theoretical' rendering? I tried to go back and see where it was posted but I couldn't find it. Thanks!
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The profile part (on the left) is the official render, but upside down. The front picture is pure fantasy.
 
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1] I can solidly confirm the November third date.

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3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

Steven58
I keep hearing the phrase "game changer" and I guess I'm just not sure what that exactly means. The iphone was a "game changer".... any ideas what game changer could mean?

Thought I get a little discussion going on this sloooooooooow Saturday.
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"The FCC does not need / can't test the 2100 Mhz band as those frequencies are used for the downlink i.e. the tower is emitting and the phone is only receiving. The
phone emits RF energy on the 1700 band since this frequency band is used for the uplink in the AWS-1 spec. The FCC is checking to make sure the RF emissions from the phone conform to regulations so they test 1700Mhz and don't care about 2100Mhz as far as the phone is concerned. mmmkay? This is not a
phone spec-sheet, it is simply the FCC test results. The phone shown on that FCC summary WILL MOST DEFINITELY support full t-mo 3G and ATT's as well. It's similar to many of the recent Nokia phones in that respect."

Also the N1 didn't show 2100 on the FCC report and it launched for TMO
Thanks for the response to my question, makes sense!
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yeah now i'm really confused...

the Droid Prime will be a verizon-exclusive device, supporting CDMA-LTE and likely the BGR-Specs,,,


the Nexus Prime (GT-I9250) will likely be offered to T-Mobile and At&T, maybe with the GSMArena Specs...


then there has to be another device, cause if you look at the FCC-documents you'll see that the i9250 won't work for e.g. german GSM-frequencies...

so they'd have to release another GSM device for the european market, and i personally hope that it will have the same GSMarena specs + GSM-LTE


so we'd probably have 3 different devices... :/
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My guess as well. You mentioning him writing something in your profile was the key bit of information.
Yes, but it seems like Steven has been talking to him, and possibly others, about specifics. Steve wouldn't "solidly" state such things unless it was pretty reliable.

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I keep hearing the phrase "game changer" and I guess I'm just not sure what that exactly means. The iphone was a "game changer".... any ideas what game changer could mean?

Thought I get a little discussion going on this sloooooooooow Saturday.
That's interesting.

Steven, did you use the phrase "game changer" because that's what your sources have said, or because they gave you enough specs to make you believe it's a game changer?

Only thing I can think of is maybe ICS will be borderline-revolutionary. Face-lock capabilities, something along the lines of Sivia, etc. maybe?
 
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yeah now i'm really confused...

the Droid Prime will be a verizon-exclusive device, supporting CDMA-LTE and likely the BGR-Specs,,,


the Nexus Prime (GT-I9250) will likely be offered to T-Mobile and At&T, maybe with the GSMArena Specs...


then there has to be another device, cause if you look at the FCC-documents you'll see that the i9250 won't work for e.g. german GSM-frequencies...

so they'd have to release another GSM device for the european market, and i personally hope that it will have the same GSMarena specs + GSM-LTE


so we'd probably have 3 different devices... :/
Or could it also be that the Verizon version will be dual CDMA and GSM frequencies, along the lines of the GSMarena's specs, and AT&T and T-Mobile getting the watered down version?
 
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Thanks!

I was mulling over just picking up a SGS2 and being done with it but this is giving me renewed endurance.
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Steven, did you use the phrase "game changer" because that's what your sources have said, or because they gave you enough specs to make you believe it's a game changer?

Only thing I can think of is maybe ICS will be borderline-revolutionary. Face-lock capabilities, something along the lines of Sivia, etc. maybe?
hm maybe it's a gamechanger for android devices...

as we know GPU-performance was always better on iPhone/iPad especially right now with the iPhone 4S [PowerVr SGX543MP2], and now maybe the Nexus Prime will be one of the first android devices with an equal GPU-performance (which would make me believe in the GSMArena-specs again)..

just a thought, cause i don't see how something can be a gamecharger software based, so it should be hardware-bases...

edit: or maybe because of it's huge screen...

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im in love with that idea, cause i think that we (europeans + verizon-customers) will get our devices 'exclusively' some time before the other model comes to AT&T and T-Mobile... which would make sense, if you remember: T-Mobile & AT&T got some new SGS2-Models with higher specs a few weeks ago... but europe got their SGS2 (with lower specs than the new sgs2-variants) in may already [so 5 months ago] and verizon still got now highend sgs2-device... seems pretty reasonable to me
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I keep hearing the phrase "game changer" and I guess I'm just not sure what that exactly means. The iphone was a "game changer".... any ideas what game changer could mean?

Thought I get a little discussion going on this sloooooooooow Saturday.
Just mho but I suspect this phone will be the first major threat to the iPhone if marketed correctly. All respect to prior android devices of course.
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hm maybe it's a gamechanger for android devices...

as we know GPU-performance was always better on iPhone/iPad especially right now with the iPhone 4S [PowerVr SGX543MP2], and now maybe the Nexus Prime will be one of the first android devices with an equal GPU-performance (which would make me believe in the GSMArena-specs again)..

just a thought, cause i don't see how something can be a gamecharger software based, so it should be hardware-bases...

edit: or maybe because of it's huge screen...
Maybe it's a "game changer" for Verizon ~since Verizon for some reason or another hasn't really had a lot of great phones??
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Thought I get a little discussion going on this sloooooooooow Saturday.
A couple of thoughts just off the top of my head, I would take it to mean a device that would cause others to play catch up...thus being ahead of the curve as they say. The other thing that came to mind was how the device was classified under the “Gamer & Entertainment Enthusiast” category for the CTIA event. I would guess this may have something to do with it being a Game changer...possibly the introduction of a new processor / GPU chip to the industry.

There's my guess
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