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Old October 8th, 2011, 12:06 PM   #4451 (permalink)
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edit: or maybe because of it's huge screen...
Maybe this. A huge screen, no capacitive buttons, is definitely a 1st. But a true game-changer? I don't know about that.

When I think "game changer" in the phone industry, I think of that "Galaxy Skin" that was floating around the rumor mill briefly, with a screen that folds out like satellite wings.

"game changer" is something revolutionary. An HD screen with software buttons is nice, but not to everyone. . .hmmm.

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Woohoo! Congrats, everyone.

Now, game changer? It could mean a lot. I think it means that this is the real next step up in the mobile world. I mean, the iPhone hit and we've been progressing steadily since, even android. This change in the game, I believe, will not only be quite a few things we haven't seen (facelock, nfc technology growing, etc...) but done so with real cutting edge technology. Recent speculations and activities have me really hopeful that we aren't just looking at the next cool device, but the next real step, for both hardware and capabilities. That's game changing.
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The nda's are very scary to these guys. Trust me. I know this. Let's be grateful for what they do give us, rather than try to figure out who or what they are. You with me?

Yes! I'm with you Steven!

But what are nda's?
 
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Maybe they will shock the excrement out of us and release this baby with a battery that lasts all day! That would be a game changer!
 
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Yes! I'm with you Steven!

But what are nda's?

Non disclosure agreements. Heavy penalties.
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Yes! I'm with you Steven!

But what are nda's?
Nondisclosure agreements
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How long before Steven becomes the next insider quoted on all the blogs, over under an hour.lol
Wouldn't be the first time, actually - AF mods and members are the source for more news articles than many realize.

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The nda's are very scary to these guys. Trust me. I know this. Let's be grateful for what they do give us, rather than try to figure out who or what they are. You with me?
I agree. I really wants to know some inside stuff but not at the risk of others jobs. ESPECIALLY when they're just trying to help us out.
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Maybe they will shock the excrement out of us and release this baby with a battery that lasts all day! That would be a game changer!
4500mA/h battery would be nice indeed
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@eyetek Forcing others to play catch up...I think that's a big part of it right there. I mean, what's the Droid HD going to really be like if nexus gets exynos? Still 1.2 for motor, probably, and that'd be behind.
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Maybe they will shock the excrement out of us and release this baby with a battery that lasts all day! That would be a game changer!
Or...maybe it's solar powered...can we say game changer.
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Duh! Sorry guys. I knew that.

But what kind of heavy penalties?

Do Verizon employees work Saturdays? This might be his lunch period. Clicking on his profile, I can see he is watching us!

He's watching us.

 
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Yes! I'm with you Steven!

But what are nda's?
Non-disclosure agreements. In many cases you can be subject to criminal and civil prosecution if you violate them.
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game changer is just a nonsense general term to get you to wait

hd screen and the latest version of android = game changing. don't read into any further
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game changer is just a nonsense general term to get you to wait

hd screen and the latest version of android = game changing. don't read into any further
You obviously haven't been keeping up with this thread then...cause that's what we all do here.........we take things to levels that are waaaay out there. Fun to speculate though.
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Non-disclosure agreements. In many cases you can be subject to criminal and civil prosecution if you violate them.
Wow. I thought at most you'd lose your job. But jail time? Sheesh. No wonder there's hardly any leaks.
 
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Or...maybe it's solar powered...can we say game changer.
That's not as bizarre as people may think... in fact, it's coming:

Motorola's solar LCD to charge your cell phone - Computerworld

Maybe not this year or next, but it WILL be the tech to watch!
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game changer is just a nonsense general term to get you to wait

hd screen and the latest version of android = game changing. don't read into any further
qft

It's marketing speak. Whether it is or isn't only time will tell. They've got to be eyeing the iP and hoping of course.
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I'm a tired first time dad. Part of my exhaustion stems from keeping up with this, wonderfully interesting, game changing, most popular on the internet, thread.

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Congrats! I just had my second child 2 weeks and, so I'm totally feeling you on the tired part.
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4500mA/h battery would be nice indeed
If they can get all significant components manufactured on a smaller scale, say, using the 32 nm process that many of you have read about, you'll get a lot more time out of existing smaller batteries.

Most of us here are running either 65 nm or 45 nm process chips (or a combination). If they could get all chips to 32 nm, that would mean about double the battery life for the same functions - depending upon how things are configured.
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qft

It's marketing speak. Whether it is or isn't only time will tell. They've got to be eyeing the iP and hoping of course.

I feel stupid today. what's iP?
 
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Wow. I thought at most you'd lose your job. But jail time? Sheesh. No wonder there's hardly any leaks.
An NDA is merely a contractual document and violation of that contract would not put anyone in jail.

Misappropriation and dissemination of corporate property (ip/trade secrets) could but that's a different claim.
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If they can get all significant components manufactured on a smaller scale, say, using the 32 nm process that many of you have read about, you'll get a lot more time out of existing smaller batteries.

Most of us here are running either 65 nm or 45 nm process chips (or a combination). If they could get all chips to 32 nm, that would mean about double the battery life for the same functions - depending upon how things are configured.
Agreed! This however, is not that far off...many companies are now working to come up with a "game changer" of a battery!
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I feel stupid today. what's iP?
Sorry in that context I meant iPhone but in my other post I meant intellectual property. My stupid iPad is messing with caps.
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Congrats! I just had my second child 2 weeks and, so I'm totally feeling you on the tired part.
Congrats on the new baby!

I always fall for that "hidden" signature of yours.
 
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Okay, I think I understand why no one is leaking anything. I called my sister and asked her about NDA's, and she's heard a rumor that Verizon has been threatening not only loss of your job, but also loss of stock in the company!

Is that legal???
 
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Okay, I think I understand why no one is leaking anything. I called my sister and asked her about NDA's, and she's heard a rumor that Verizon has been threatening not only loss of your job, but also loss of stock in the company!

Is that legal???
If it isn't vested then probably. If it is vested I'd be surprised but hell it's possible. They don't make you sign. Just if you want a job.
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Okay, I think I understand why no one is leaking anything. I called my sister and asked her about NDA's, and she's heard a rumor that Verizon has been threatening not only loss of your job, but also loss of stock in the company!

Is that legal???
It's legal if it's stated in the NDA. NDAs can get pretty brutal and have many stipulations and punishments tied to them.
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That's not as bizarre as people may think... in fact, it's coming:

Motorola's solar LCD to charge your cell phone - Computerworld

Maybe not this year or next, but it WILL be the tech to watch!
Good news, everyone!

It's been here for a while, see "SOLIO charger" for Samsung's Green Phone in this article from 2009 -

Samsung Reclaim QWERTY Ecophone Is Ostentatiously Green, $50 On Sprint

Samsung is selling the follow-on Replenish thru Sprint this year and that also uses the optional SOLIO charger.

Like they say at Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems - The Future Begins Tomorrow!

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I feel stupid today. what's iP?
IP - intellectual property

Any technical know-how that is considered part of the value of a company, whether covered by patent or not.
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Good news, everyone!

It's been here for a while, see "SOLIO charger" for Samsung's Green Phone in this article from 2009 -

Samsung Reclaim QWERTY Ecophone Is Ostentatiously Green, $50 On Sprint

Samsung is selling the follow-on Replenish thru Sprint this year and that also uses the optional SOLIO charger.

Like they say at Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems - The Future Begins Tomorrow!
Thanks, but I'd prefer the electric BMW on the bottom of that page over a green dumb phone!

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Any technical know-how that is considered part of the value of a company, whether covered by patent or not.
Gotcha. But he was referring to iPhone in that context, he said.
 
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Game changer can mean anything. But, in the PC world and gaming world you need a top notch GPU (Graphics card) for a good refresh rate and rendering. So with that in mind, Hi-Def will need something big.
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Nov, 3 eh? Sure.......

Battle scarred & weary from the end of waiting to the CTIA cancellation I trudge onward reading here.

For us OG warriors my OG's final status is the screen recently acted funny blinking and changing states from the main to the wallpaper icons and finally after a very short drop to a vinyl floor it went black. Battery pulls, and such failed to revive her.

For my occupation & needs I had no other option than to make an Asurion Ins claim and for $99.00 on Friday @ 10:00 AM I submitted the claim and this AM @ 9:30 AM UPS put it at my door. It came with a new battery, charger & Lexar 16GB card.

Less than 24hrs and I can still work my cases this weekend. The OG looks brand new through out. Perhaps the internals are used but the outside is pristine. It's a bunch faster as restored to the same config as the old one.

So now I have a nicer looking OG to store when the Prime raises is pretty head.

I sink back into my hole to read this thread of ................ stuff
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Seems we are pretty divided on whether or not this will in fact be a game changer, whatever we all perceive such a thing to be. My thing is, I don't feel as though some people who've used the term, or close to it, are known for their hyperbole. Steven being one of them. So, while I remain cautiously optimistic, I am optimistic nonetheless. If it doesn't pan out, oh well. Another let down, and time to get something cool and wait for the next "game changer."
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I just want to say that I think the curved screen on the Nexus Prime is actually quite brilliant. If this pic is the Nexus Prime anyway.



First off, It would completely reduce the amount of possible scratches if it is laid down on it's face, or if it were dropped and slid across the pavement face down.

Second, by curving the screen that can make the screen slightly bigger without increasing the overall length of the phone.

Third, while scrolling up and down with your thumb one handed, when you near the top/bottom of the screen you won't need to stretch your hand as much to reach it, as the screen will be curving up towards you. Should make it a little easier.

Now, I know it's not a drastic curve, but I think it's enough to help with all these things.
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Default "Something BIG is coming"

Something big is coming? What would be big? Remember the teaser video?

There were two items shown to make each other better when combined. So what combinations would be BIG?

*Samsung + 4G? - Already been done.

*Samsung + new OS version? - Already been done with GB when they released the Nexus S. Sure, ICS is new but there will be a new OS every year. As much as I think ICS will be a big improvement... I don't think it is the BIG thing here?

*Nexus Device with ICS + 4G? Sure I guess, but is this a given for this device.

*True HD screen + 4G? This is a possibility but again...not BIG.

So what do I think??? This combination is something that would change the way we use our phones. What is the biggest complaint about Android smartphones? Battery life!

*ICS + New battery technology? Ooohhhh wouldn't that be big? Imagine if there was a solar screen that trickled power back into the battery or just minimized the drain the screen caused. 1000 mAh battery that could run for days...Epic!

I just think there is going to be something more than what we already "know" or have speculated about.

Just my 2 cents
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11-03-11 - Nexus Prime
11-11-11 - Skyrim
11-21-11 - My Birthday

November is going to be an AWESOME Month for me!!
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something big.

how about the largest screen on a cellphone to date. 4.65 inches

that was easy
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Could it be that since this is a gaming machine and game changer that this is the first phone to run playstation games. I thought I read that Sony would release there games to other phones after the Sony play was out for a while.
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Something big is coming? What would be big? Remember the teaser video? . . . . .
They used the exact same slogan for the Galaxy Note unveiling at IFA. I think it mainly referred to the screen. I think it's referring to the same thing here, though it's smaller than the Note.

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Could it be that since this is a gaming machine and game changer that this is the first phone to run playstation games. I thought I read that Sony would release there games to other phones after the Sony play was out for a while.
Doesn't the Xperia Play do ps games? I honestly don't remember.
 
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Yeah the play was the first, then they were supposed to release market apps for more games. Just adding to the fun.
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something big.

how about the largest screen on a cellphone to date. 4.65 inches

that was easy
Gotcha... But what is the combo?

And... There have been bigger screens. Didn't go to well with the Dell phone but it was 5 inches.
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ICS + the big screen??
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Gotcha... But what is the combo?
I hope it's the Phone/Tablet Combo. I'd definitely be interested in that.
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Finally, this summer Google sat the manufacturing members of the Open Handset Alliance down and got agreement that the new phones would get unconditional update support from 18 months of time of release.
i wish i could be as optimistic about this as you are. but we haven't heard a single word about this program since it was announced. i wouldn't hold my breath.

edit: they say stay tuned for more details, and as far as i know, no more details were released, right?

Official Google Blog: Android: momentum, mobile and more at Google I/O

imo, the only chance at updates are the google/motorola purchase. my hope is that they force all moto phones to be stock android devices, and that that will force all the other manufacturers to either stay stock, or stay updated to be competitive. but..google keeps saying how they aren't going to change anything with moto, so that might be a pipe dream too
I wouldn't call my position optimistic from my point of view, but I accept what you're saying and perhaps I am.

I could speculate that because the carriers were involved in those talks, they would be the reason that further news on that was throttled.

However, if I'm optimistic it's because I expect no undue burden on existing high-end phones with sufficient memory to run ICS without any difficulty and because I am hopeful that each carrier is learning the lesson about people voting with their feet where lack of updates are concerned.

Rather than look to Google taking over Moto, I look at the US carrier history in throttling updates - Evo on Sprint first to get Froyo after Nexus, DX on Verizon first to get Gingerbread after Nexus - while the US Sammy update schedules sucked the chrome off a bumper hitch.

It was that outrage and a few notable decent handsets left twisting in the wind that prompted Google to make their move.

I agree with your analysis on the other point - if anything, Google can bring market pressure via Moto to make others consider adhering to a better update schedule.

Certainly, unless it's a Nexus, if you live in the US, your updates are at the mercy of the maker AND especially the carrier - or you root for more.

The non-transportable elements of the operating system (off the top of my head) are:

  • the kernel
  • the device drivers
  • the vendor-added UI
  • the carrier-added bloatware

The things required to make ICS work across multiple platforms:

  • a compiler capable of supporting multiple processor architectures (exists, will update as processors do)
  • conditional code in key places in the event that some processor features (cpu/gpu/dsp/etc) can improve efficiency (pretty standard practice)
  • hardware sufficiency in the target platform(s)

The last point I've already made - Andy Rubin claimed from the outset that Honeycomb would run on phones (and indeed, we had threads hereabout showing it for a fact) but whatever reason, they pulled back.

They originally said Gingerbread would be about the UI, Froyo would be their last performance update. GB became mostly a performance update.

They said ICS would simply rendezvous the GB and Honeycomb code branches. Then they said it would be a UI update. Then they said it would have some UI elements, but that it too was a performance update - more performance in a smaller memory footprint (if my memory is correct - don't quote me on that last detail).

Google announced at least a week ago that GB 2.3.7 was the final update for GB (for the Nexus line, I was told) and that now, everything is concentrating on ICS.

I don't see how ICS couldn't be targeted for widespread adoption by all concerned because it has the power to address technically any issues in the Android/iOS competitive picture and because it has the power to create additional marketing buzz in the face of upcoming iOS updates, both for legacy phones.

The only people who would fear that would be the carriers that have deep contractual commitments to Apple to move iron - I'm looking at you, Verizon and Sprint.

I think it would be illogical to assume other than Google foresaw that last point, and that too drove the agreement.

And I don't think Verizon would be getting the next big Nexus first if it they hadn't agreed to Google's other terms.

Just my opinions, I could be wrong, I often am.
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I hope it's the Phone/Tablet Combo. I'd definitely be interested in that.
Hmmm....it would be interesting but for some reason tablet + phone doesn't seem that big to me. But I guess it's all a matter of opinion?
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Gotcha... But what is the combo?

And... There have been bigger screens. Didn't go to well with the Dell phone but it was 5 inches.
yeah the dell streak. but i think that was marketed more as a tablet than a phone
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Gotcha. But he was referring to iPhone in that context, he said.
lma0 - double facepalm on moi!
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Al Davis died today.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Man, I hope Samsung doesn't postpone any more events because of this.
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