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Old October 8th, 2011, 02:59 PM   #4551 (permalink)
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Too bad we don't have another epic FCC screwup like with the 3vo where the actual schematics went online for a short time.

That said - most of the LTE radio/modem popular press I've seen has come in two flavors - over the Marvell multi-mode chip already announced and speculation over cheaper single-mode LTE chips.

Here's my swag at it, take it or leave it - the Prime will feature a multi-mode chip at or below 40nm developed by Samsung and kept under wraps. It will not only allow high performance in a small package but will feature updates by Samsung to end concerns raised by repeated issues with GPS and 3G reception in some quarters.

No source for this - it's a swag.

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So - I have a question -

How in the heck do you measure diagonal screen size on a curved surface?

(edit - that was the rhetorical question, no need to advise, the actual point and question follows)

If across the actual surface, then the apparent size in your hand may seem less, and the dead-on view will definitely be less.

So - if 4.65, it may not seem/feel that moosey - maybe?
I believe the actually display surface is flat but the cover glass surface on it is curved. So I think diagonal length of screen is measured on the flat display surface underneath the curved glass.
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Here's my swag at it, take it or leave it - the Prime will feature a multi-mode chip at or below 40nm developed by Samsung and kept under wraps. It will not only allow high performance in a small package and will feature updates by Samsung to end concerns raised by repeated issues with GPS and 3G reception in some quarters.
That would be a nice surprise. But what updates would those be -- driver?
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Does anyone think that the curve is going to make it weaker and more fragile/susceptible to breakage? Especially the glass?

And am I correct in calculating more than one thousand posts a day on this forum in the last two days? Yee ha.
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That would be a nice surprise. But what updates would those be -- driver?
Possibly - there's a trend on the multi-mode chips to go with fully programmable logic. If that extends to easily update-able firmware - and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will in this case - then many of the service woes and complaints may be addressable (finally) without arm-waving and broken promises (and a need to change handset to another make/model) as has been all-too-common in the past.

Take all this with a full bag of salt - but - there it is, fwiw.
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Does anyone think that the curve is going to make it weaker and more fragile/susceptible to breakage? Especially the glass?

And am I correct in calculating more than one thousand posts a day on this forum in the last two days? Yee ha.

I don't think it is that curved. Plus the rumored metal casing would help. And it doesn't seem to be an issue in the nexus S which is plastic
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I believe the actually display surface is flat but the cover glass surface on it is curved. So I think diagonal length of screen is measured on the flat display surface underneath the curved glass.
Could be - but looking at the beauty shot in the OP, it's hard to imagine a straight line thru the chassis that would leave sufficient room for battery and electronics.

Well, with much great respect, even if it's not due to Steve Jobs' passing, announcing the new handset this close to the iP4s announcement doesn't seem like good marketing sense.

The blogosphere is all agog over the new iPhone, and one must give the devil his due.

I'm still going with Steven's claim of Nov 3, fwiw.
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I don't think it is that curved. Plus the rumored metal casing would help. And it doesn't seem to be an issue in the nexus S which is plastic
Would you say the curve is similar to that of the Nexus S? I've actually never seen one in person.

If so, then I would guess that if it were to be a problem, it would have already happened with the S.
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Possibly - there's a trend on the multi-mode chips to go with fully programmable logic. If that extends to easily update-able firmware - and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will in this case - then many of the service woes and complaints may be addressable (finally) without arm-waving and broken promises (and a need to change handset to another make/model) as has been all-too-common in the past.
Seriously, FPGA's? Very kewl, but I can imagine what a rogue app could do w/that.
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I missed last several pages yesterday. So what's the general consensus on the Nexus Prime spec on verizon now? Would it be more like GSM arena or BGR one? Would GSM model have different spec other than data radios?
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Does anyone think that the curve is going to make it weaker and more fragile/susceptible to breakage? Especially the glass?
I couldn't say, but I can see your point as I wondered that myself.

Then again - windshields are curved.

OK - who's a materials specialist here?

C'mon - speak up.
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Would you say the curve is similar to that of the Nexus S? I've actually never seen one in person.

If so, then I would guess that if it were to be a problem, it would have already happened with the S.
I can't say as I've never seen one either, but even so it would be hard to compare as we aren't exactly sure on the degree of curvature in the NP either, despite the profile shot.
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Seriously, FPGA's? Very kewl, but I can imagine what a rogue app could do w/that.
Yep.

OTOH - if it has pin(s) to allow update and then only addressable via the bootloader or similar locked-down means, it could be quite secure.
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I was also concerned about the curvature. I'm sure it'll be a strong phone but I'll probably be very careful not to lean on things with this in my front pocket. What if you trip and fall on your stomach, would the Prime survive in the front pocket? I think I'm going to be paranoid walking around with this thing.
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I was also concerned about the curvature. I'm sure it'll be a strong phone but I'll probably be very careful not to lean on things with this in my front pocket. What if you trip and fall on your stomach, would the Prime survive in the front pocket? I think I'm going to be paranoid walking around with this thing.
I was thinking rather of landing on it with my rear end, but I get your point.

I dropped my OG the first week I had it on pavement and dinged up the metal chassis on the edge of the screen. At about two weeks I noticed some light scuffed scratches on the glass. I put a screen protector on it and not much else. Oy, if you could see it now...
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I can't say as I've never seen one either, but even so it would be hard to compare as we aren't exactly sure on the degree of curvature in the NP either, despite the profile shot.
I tried out a Nexus S at Best Buy a few weeks ago. I could see the curved glass from the side, but when you're using the screen, you can't even tell. Seriously, it's not even noticeable. It's just an ergonomics thing. Kinda like a slightly curved keyboard; You can see the curve, but you really don't notice it at all.
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The Sammy phones in my personal experience have always done a top-notch job in taking pictures.

For two sensors of the same size, one 5MP and the other 8, the 5 will have less noise and tend to produce clearer images, all other factors being equal.

That said, I think that judging any camera ahead of time based just on the MP spec is a lot like judging a car just based on transmission gear ratios alone.

And for what it's worth - a single frame of a 1080p HDTV is about 2 MP -- so - how many MPs are _really_ needed?
This is true. When I was researching buying a digital camera the sales guy gave me a lot of info. He said that the MP has little to do with the quality of the pictures. The lens is where you get the quality. A Higher MP just lets you blow it up bigger before it get's distorted. And honestly, are we going to be making poster sized pictures from our camera phones?

He also said to stick with manufactures that have a good reputation making 35mm cameras. Stick with Cannon & Fuji for example, and stay away from HP & Sony for the other example.

Same goes for phones. They could stick a 1000MP Camera in it, and if the lens is crap you're going to get crappy-foggy-blurry pictures and be able to blow them up real big so everyone can see how crappy they are.
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I missed last several pages yesterday. So what's the general consensus on the Nexus Prime spec on verizon now? Would it be more like GSM arena or BGR one? Would GSM model have different spec other than data radios?

No consensus yet. Sort of split in here as to which specs the vzw nexus will see.
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No consensus yet. Sort of split in here as to which specs the vzw nexus will see.
We do, however, have what we believe to be a reliable Verizon source that is a member of this forum, VZ_Wired, who claims that he has seen this phone and it is a "beast." He seems to be legit, so I and a lot of others are going with him and are going to put our money on this phone having specs comparable, if not exactly, like the GSM Arena specs. Not all agree, but a lot of us are leaning that way. Maybe just hopefully, but hopefully confident nonetheless.
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I was thinking rather of landing on it with my rear end, but I get your point.

I dropped my OG the first week I had it on pavement and dinged up the metal chassis on the edge of the screen. At about two weeks I noticed some light scuffed scratches on the glass. I put a screen protector on it and not much else. Oy, if you could see it now...
I forgot about the size of this thing. I typically like to keep phones in my front pocket but I guess I'll have to see if it even fits in there. I've tried keeping phones in my back pocket before but I kept forgetting and sitting on them..lol
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I was also concerned about the curvature. I'm sure it'll be a strong phone but I'll probably be very careful not to lean on things with this in my front pocket. What if you trip and fall on your stomach, would the Prime survive in the front pocket? I think I'm going to be paranoid walking around with this thing.

I believe a while back, someone MEASURED the curvature and found that it would best fit in your right, back pocket......depending on the dimensions of your buttocks......and honey, we're not going to discuss that here.
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2] I can solidly confirm this phone to be a game changer.

3] I am being advised to tell you guys to hang in there because you will be very happy.

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I truly appreciate the info. Is there any way you can expound on number 2 and 3 without putting your source(s) in jeopardy of violating their NDA? I'm specifically wondering how this phone will be a game changer. Maybe you can point us to rumored specs from GSM or others. For example, if you said "I can solidly confirm that the GSM specs are accurate, but even better", that could lend credence to the Prime being a game changer. I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Just trying to find out how we can get the most information as possible without jeopardizing someones career.
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I was also concerned about the curvature. I'm sure it'll be a strong phone but I'll probably be very careful not to lean on things with this in my front pocket. What if you trip and fall on your stomach, would the Prime survive in the front pocket? I think I'm going to be paranoid walking around with this thing.
A 4.65" screened phone in your front pocket? I can hear it now, "Is that a Nexus Prime in your pocket or are you glad to see me?"
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Regarding the processor debate on Nexus Prime, I was also a bit skeptical on new 32nm Exynos in Nexus Prime. But the more I think about it, it might just end up in Nexus Prime. Because if Nexus Prime doesn't get it, what devices are supposed to get it after Prime and before SGSIII next year? It's starting to sample now, but no one knows when exactly Sammy finished internal development and testing in devices. I know that usually starts at around the chip sampling time period, but this is Samsung making their own chips, so they could have done some early testing for their device. Can't think of better device than Prime to introduce new Exynos just like original SGSII did with old Exynos. Of course, this is just my theory, speculation. Again I won't be disappointed with 1.5ghz OMAP 4460 in Nexus Prime, but I will be pissed of with anything less than that.
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Regarding the processor debate on Nexus Prime, I was also a bit skeptical on new 32nm Exynos in Nexus Prime. But the more I think about it, it might just end up in Nexus Prime. Because if Nexus Prime doesn't get it, what devices are supposed to get it after Prime and before SGSIII next year?
This is a good point, and to be honest, I don't see the SGSIII getting it either. It's an upgrade over the SOC in the SGSII, but not by much. It's not a generational leap. By the time SGSIII is ready to launch, we'll have Krait and Tegra 3 (quad-core SOCs), and OMAP5 will be about to drop (also quad-core).

Also, those SOCs will be 28nm. I see Exynos 4212 as a stopgap. SGSIII will having something better, IMO. Again, this is speculation on my part, nothing more.
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1] nada
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Who:s to say the protype is "no indication" of the final unit. That's exactly what a prototype is supposed to be. But yeah I wouldn't read too much into these specs, doubt they're the final
Supossedly manufacturers are keeping final product out of testers hands. Motorola is now going to be doing it. This will cut down drastically on the reliable leaks we have seen through the years. Why do you think there is a lack of reliable Nexus Prime specs. Its all over the place because there are few that actually know the real specs.

From past experience with these things I'm. Leaning toward Lee Johnson being right with the specs with the exception on the named processor. I personally believe one or both of these devices will in fact ship with the Exynos 4212.

Ill be proven right or wrong when CTIA rolls around but until then opinions are opinions and speculation is speculation.
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This is a good point, and to be honest, I don't see the SGSIII getting it either. It's an upgrade over the SOC in the SGSII, but not by much. It's not a generational leap. By the time SGSIII is ready to launch, we'll have Krait and Tegra 3 (quad-core SOCs), and OMAP5 will be about to drop (also quad-core).

Also, those SOCs will be 28nm. I see Exynos 4212 as a stopgap. SGSIII will having something better, IMO. Again, this is speculation on my part, nothing more.
SGSIII is rumored to be getting new 2Ghz quad core Exynos. If so, this 32nm refreshed dual core Exynos will be going to second grade phones after that though still very potent. And OMAP5 will still be dual core but with cortex A15 architecture.
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1. Dont lie to me!!!!!!!

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i keep trying to help you guys scale back your expectations, but some of you are just refusing to listen lol

have a look at the sample availability, and then look at the devices it's in. calculate the time it took to go from sample to production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(System_on_Chip)

still think something sampling sometime this quarter is also going to be secretly ready for production? come on. be real.
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Supossedly manufacturers are keeping final product out of testers hands. Motorola is now going to be doing it. This will cut down drastically on the reliable leaks we have seen through the years. Why do you think there is a lack of reliable Nexus Prime specs. Its all over the place because there are few that actually know the real specs.
That's not possible. I'm sure that early testing uses prototype hardware (and probably a lot of simulation w/virtual machines), and later testing may use camouflaged hardware, but there isn't a substitute for having people test the real thing before release.
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i keep trying to help you guys scale back your expectations, but some of you are just refusing to listen lol

have a look at the sample availability, and then look at the devices it's in. calculate the time it took to go from sample to production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(System_on_Chip)

still think something sampling sometime this quarter is also going to be secretly ready for production? come on. be real.
While a VERY good assumption its still an assumption with the Exynos 4212. It could have already been ready for production but you are assuming its going to be business as usual like the other company's. You don't know what Samsung is doing with this chip and neither do I.

Your opinion is a VERY valid one but at the end of the day that's all it is. The only thing we are both sure of is that it went out for sampling. Beyond that we have no clue. The chip could very well be already in production and it could very well not be. Id be a fool to claim one or the other.

All we have are opinions on this subject and you know what they say about opinions
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so i missed that last 10 or so pages of the thread. what is the consensus now? do you think that the prime with the better specs will release first or be excusive to verizon? or will verizon eff us all over again and give us the half-assed version. either way il get it, but ima be really mad if verizone doesnt get the best prime after they sat out on the galaxy s2. the only reason im staying with em is cuz of their service. if sprint had better 4g n service, i wuld have a epic 4g touch... anyway what do you guys think?
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so i missed that last 10 or so pages of the thread. what is the consensus now? do you think that the prime with the better specs will release first or be excusive to verizon? or will verizon eff us all over again and give us the half-assed version. either way il get it, but ima be really mad if verizone doesnt get the best prime after they sat out on the galaxy s2. the only reason im staying with em is cuz of their service. if sprint had better 4g n service, i wuld have a epic 4g touch... anyway what do you guys think?
Instead of asking for a recap your best bet is to look at the OP. Stephen is keeping it updated with the most up-to-date info.
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i keep trying to help you guys scale back your expectations, but some of you are just refusing to listen lol

have a look at the sample availability, and then look at the devices it's in. calculate the time it took to go from sample to production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(System_on_Chip)

still think something sampling sometime this quarter is also going to be secretly ready for production? come on. be real.
Except snapdragon is designed by a company without inhouse fab or device builder..

They exist only to sell to third parties..

In the interest of playing devils advocate, if Samsung wanted to they could do the entire process in secret..
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That's not possible. I'm sure that early testing uses prototype hardware (and probably a lot of simulation w/virtual machines), and later testing may use camouflaged hardware, but there isn't a substitute for having people test the real thing before release.
There are people who will test the final hardware and if we are lucky we will get a glimpse of it. But don't count on it anymore. The testers that leak stuff are not getting final hardware anymore. This is according to those that are close to different projects.
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Instead of asking for a recap your best bet is to look at the OP. Stephen is keeping it updated with the most up-to-date info.

Hmmmmmm. Lemme see what I wrote.

(Steven58 checks) ok. Good.
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No reply until you read the last 10 pages. We had to. Geez I thought it would be the next post after he missed the last 10 pages and 5 other posts slipped in. Insane.
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#1 first post howdy, man this thread is long,to long to read every post so when will this phone go on sale if that's possible to answer.Thank you
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