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Old October 8th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #4601 (permalink)
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I find all of it credible, w/the single exception of 16GB w/o any microSD. If it didn't have a microSD slot, I'm pretty sure it'd need 32GB internal to be a credible bragging-rights phone.

The 5MP camera? Yes, I could believe that IF it's advertised as having superb lens/sensor and excellent low-light capabilities.
Sorry I misspoke. No chance SOME of those specs are true, not all. My mistake!

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Does anyone think that the curve is going to make it weaker and more fragile/susceptible to breakage? Especially the glass?

And am I correct in calculating more than one thousand posts a day on this forum in the last two days? Yee ha.


I know I don't post much but I read alot....That being said, curving can actually increase strength, as an arch is one of the strongest shapes there are. Additionally curves and wrinkles within metal also increase the strength in that area, which is why the metal on cars have so many ridges and bends. Maybe the shell of the phone will be made out of carbon fiber or Carbon nanotubes. Maybe kryptonite, Just my .02 cents.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, as I am not an engineer.
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Does anyone think that the curve is going to make it weaker and more fragile/susceptible to breakage? Especially the glass?

And am I correct in calculating more than one thousand posts a day on this forum in the last two days? Yee ha.
Curved is actually stronger then flat surfaces. I registered just to say that

That's how an egg is so thin, but strong. I had fun many years ago in high school technology class. Egg drop project: where you had to build an enclosure around an egg, and design it to distribute the force of the drop evenly around the egg so it doesn't break from the drop. Then there was the pop-sickle stick bridge project. If you made a flat bridge, it wouldn't hold much weight

I can't post links, but google it if you don't believe me "curved plane stronger then flat".
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There are people who will test the final hardware and if we are lucky we will get a glimpse of it. But don't count on it anymore. The testers that leak stuff are not getting final hardware anymore. This is according to those that are close to different projects.
Again, not possible. If you don't have real people testing final hardware, then the hardware isn't being sufficiently tested. For devices intended to be sold in the millions, it would be insane to release something with a non-trivial chance of recall. My WAG is that they'd have dozens testing for months before a phone's release.

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I know I don't post much but I read alot....That being said, curving can actually increase strength, as an arch is one of the strongest shapes there are. Additionally curves and wrinkles within metal also increase the strength in that area, which is why the metal on cars have so many ridges and bends.
That sounds right, I wouldn't expect any extra fragility unless the manufacturer really screws up.

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Maybe the shell of the phone will be made out of carbon fiber or Carbon nanotubes. Maybe kryptonite, Just my .02 cents.
Oh, is titanium no longer the fashionable magic strength material?
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Oh, is titanium no longer the fashionable magic strength material?
Carbon nanotubes are the new king of... well just about everything material-wise. Highly, HIGHLY doubt we see it's use for a while though
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Sorry. I don't see this phone getting a fixed 16gb storage. If you're planning on going after the iphone (which offers you different space options) this just seems illogical.

As much as "cloud" computing is this new craze. It really isn't. I don't want to use cloud storage for my music or files. I'm not going to stream or have to redownload things I need or want to view/look at over and over and over again.

As many have said a game changer can be something so sudden. In football if its 7-7 and a team is driving on their opponents 3 and throws an interception for a pick 6 with 50 seconds left. Thats a game changer.

Big screen in a 4.3 form factor = game changer.
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I stated earlier in this thread that I believe the prefect combination that is being hinted at and the something Big, is the marriage between Samsung's biggest/most popular phone and Google's....
We get the best of the Galaxy (thin, screen, processor, camera) and marry that to the best of the Nexus (pure android experience, timely updates, curved screen, beautiful form factor).....after you have thatmarriage, you go bigger...ICS, dual core 1.5ghz Exynos, 4.65" screen....LTE 2nd gen to keep it thin ala galaxy....nfc...etc....

What's BIGGER than that??? Is that not the prefect combination considering the players Samsung and Google???
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Sorry. I don't see this phone getting a fixed 16gb storage. If you're planning on going after the iphone (which offers you different space options) this just seems illogical.

As much as "cloud" computing is this new craze. It really isn't. I don't want to use cloud storage for my music or files. I'm not going to stream or have to redownload things I need or want to view/look at over and over and over again.

Although, I do agree that the Prime should have expandable storage to compete (16GB won't cut it if you want to be competitive), cloud storage could be very useful depending on how it is implemented. For example, when I work remotely, I work off of my company's cloud server. I don't have to stream anything or re-download anything. Everything is there and available instantly as if I was at my desk at work using my PC. If the Prime used cloud storage in this fashion...THAT would be a game changer IMO.
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I stated earlier in this thread that I believe the prefect combination that is being hinted at and the something Big, is the marriage between Samsung's biggest/most popular phone and Google's....
We get the best of the Galaxy (thin, screen, processor, camera) and marry that to the best of the Nexus (pure android experience, timely updates, curved screen, beautiful form factor).....after you have thatmarriage, you go bigger...ICS, dual core 1.5ghz Exynos, 4.65" screen....LTE 2nd gen to keep it thin ala galaxy....nfc...etc....

What's BIGGER than that??? Is that not the prefect combination considering the players Samsung and Google???

That makes perfect sense to me and would make me a very happy camper!
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I stated earlier in this thread that I believe the prefect combination that is being hinted at and the something Big, is the marriage between Samsung's biggest/most popular phone and Google's....
We get the best of the Galaxy (thin, screen, processor, camera) and marry that to the best of the Nexus (pure android experience, timely updates, curved screen, beautiful form factor).....after you have thatmarriage, you go bigger...ICS, dual core 1.5ghz Exynos, 4.65" screen....LTE 2nd gen to keep it thin ala galaxy....nfc...etc....

What's BIGGER than that??? Is that not the prefect combination considering the players Samsung and Google???
Gamechanger=kickstand. Revolutionized the smartphone world (sarcasm)
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Although, I do agree that the Prime should have expandable storage to compete (16GB won't cut it if you want to be competitive), cloud storage could be very useful depending on how it is implemented. For example, when I work remotely, I work off of my company's cloud server. I don't have to stream anything or re-download anything. Everything is there and available instantly as if I was at my desk at work using my PC. If the Prime used cloud storage in this fashion...THAT would be a game changer IMO.
Hard to believe, but I have family living in the middle of nowhere. There is no "cloud" there. No LTE. No cell phone connectivity. I do NOT want my stuff stored in some inaccessible "cloud". Give me 16GB of storage AND a microSD slot. Then we can talk "cloud".
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Awww, and I thought that glowing dangly charm thingy that comes with the Rhyme was a game-changer! Well... SOMEBODY thought it was

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Hard to believe, but I have family living in the middle of nowhere. There is no "cloud" there. No LTE. No cell phone connectivity.
So... what use would they have for a cell phone, with or w/o microSD?
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So... what use would they have for a cell phone, with or w/o microSD?
Point being, Biker, that I don't want all my music and movies locked away in a "cloud" I can't get to. I want it onboard my phone when I'm out in the wilderness (with in-laws ). 16GB doesn't get it for me. Neither does a cloud.

Cloud has its place, I won't dispute that. But until it's EVERYWHERE, I want sufficient space on my phone for movies, music and all the HD video and photos I'm presumably going to be taking with this beast.
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I get it....in this industry they do often feed us crumbs and try to pass them off as a buffet...
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Again, not possible. If you don't have real people testing final hardware, then the hardware isn't being sufficiently tested. For devices intended to be sold in the millions, it would be insane to release something with a non-trivial chance of recall. My WAG is that they'd have dozens testing for months before a phone's release.
I must agree with this. There's no way that they're going to leave the finished product untested.

Having said that, they could easily use a "dummy" form factor and still test the relevant parts inside. I mean, if you were to put all that hardware inside the case of an SGSII, for example, you'd be able to test it. That way, if a video leaks, people really aren't seeing the actual finished phone because the shell is different.

But that really doesn't explain the huge deviations in specs we're getting. I think that the answer to that is simply that there are a lot of glory-hounds making crap up and leaking it to websites just for a thrill.

VZ_Wired, could you just do this ONE LITTLE THING and tell us what the processor is???? That's it, we won't ask for anything more!!

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We get the best of the Galaxy (thin, screen, processor, camera) and marry that to the best of the Nexus (pure android experience, timely updates, curved screen, beautiful form factor).....after you have thatmarriage, you go bigger...ICS, dual core 1.5ghz Exynos, 4.65" screen....LTE 2nd gen to keep it thin ala galaxy....nfc...etc....

What's BIGGER than that??? Is that not the prefect combination considering the players Samsung and Google???
This sounds very logical.

+1 on it hopefully having a micro sd slot.
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So its more likely that google is only testing ICS on the prime and nexus S?
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So... what use would they have for a cell phone, with or w/o microSD?
Yah...oh wait....the iPhone has never had and never will have a microSD card and they have sold millions and millions to people who...well you get my point?
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+1 on it hopefully having micro sd slot.
Oh BTW: The Bionic apparently can handle the new 64GB microSDXC cards
So sporting that puppy, with 16GB in the phone, would give us 80 friggin' gigabytes of onboard memory to take all those 1080p videos we'll be shooting. Plenty of elbow room there, IMHO. And the "cloud" would just be icing on the cake, especially to back it all up.
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Yeah but you missed mine. Chief said his family had "No cell phone connectivity" so I'm thinking maybe they just need an iPod. Okay not funny.
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Oh BTW: The Bionic apparently can handle the new 64GB microSDXC cards
So sporting that puppy, with 16GB in the phone, would give us 80 friggin' gigabytes of onboard memory to take all those 1080p videos we'll be shooting. Plenty of elbow room there, IMHO. And the "cloud" would just be icing on the cake, especially to back it all up.
More power to you if you can afford a class 6+ 64gb micro sd card. I can tell you class 2 or 4 ain't gonna cut it for recording 1080p. The nice thing about built in storage is the ability to control the quality for the purpose of fast enough write times to support HD recording or quick camera shots. If there's no support for micro SD, I'm fine with it as long as it's 32gb internal. If it's 16gb, it needs external memory support.
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HanSolo: VZ_wired is not currently available. He is being administered a 500cc dose of Scopolamine. He laughed at us during the Chinese water torture. We then went to the fingernails on the chalkboard where we thought we saw some progress. Unless the Scopolamine works we might have to show him a flip phone with a pull out antenna.

I know. I was hoping that since he posted on my profile, maybe I was one of his favorite little pet weasels. Guess not.

Well I'm leaning towards Exynos 4212, and GSM Arena.
 
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Welcome to the controlled insanity, beandawglgetu! Yep, November 3rd is the best SWAG we can come up with, based on the information we have... so far.



EDIT: My 2,000th post! OMG I'm OLD in here!

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Wow congratulations. I don't know how you guys post so much (I've been around longer than the lot of you whippersnappers)
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I don't know how you guys post so much. . .
It's called addictive disorder and family negligence.
 
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Qualcomm outs Snapdragon S4 SoC details, promises improved battery life and true world capability -- Engadget

OMG guys, like maybe this will be it! OMG it's SAMPLING!!

Doesn't that, like, mean it's shipping?!

 
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It's called addictive disorder and family negligence.
This. Plus the phandroid app and subscribing to the thread. You guys go everywhere with me.
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You guys go everywhere with me.
Ick. Please put a cloth over our head when you're in the bathroom or with the lady, okay?
 
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Good grief - look at what all it does! Does it do dishes, too? Holy smokes!

EDIT: BTW Kastleberg, I don't use the Phandroid app. I guess it really IS family negligence
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Ick. Please put a cloth over our head when you're in the bathroom or with the lady, okay?
Lol. I was kind of hoping to have you all cheer me on in my, uh, most vulnerable moments.
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Good grief - look at what all it does! Does it do dishes, too? Holy smokes!
Don't you dare start that, Chief. Next thing you know you'll be having us all ditching the Prime for whatever is coming in 2012.

This. Has. Got. To. Stop. Dammit.
 
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Well if it does only come with 16gb and no SD card expansion, I am certainly glad I have my unlimited plan with Verizon. I can just cloud everything and stream. And fortunately I don't have in-laws period, much less ones that live in the nether regions.....
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Btw....the way to measure a curved screen diagonally...is to measure it before you curve it
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I know I don't post much but I read alot....That being said, curving can actually increase strength, as an arch is one of the strongest shapes there are. Additionally curves and wrinkles within metal also increase the strength in that area, which is why the metal on cars have so many ridges and bends. Maybe the shell of the phone will be made out of carbon fiber or Carbon nanotubes. Maybe kryptonite, Just my .02 cents.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, as I am not an engineer.
I would agree with this (and I am a mechanical engineer). A flat sheet of glass and a piece twisted in any direction (so long as they have the same cross-sectional area at all points) will have the same strength. With the rumored metal chassis I don't think anyone should worry about the strength of this beast.
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Guys, our source says that "You've got a dedicated bunch of guys here. That's great!

I just read Han's plead for more info on the processor or on which website a real leak went to.

Can you tell the gang that I can't reveal that, but that I can confirm that there will definitely be certain components in this phone that haven't been seen in any other phone in the US so far? And I'm not talking about the screen.

Believe me, I would tell you guys everything if I could. I just can't. There's more than just my job at stake, honestly. But I also want to keep the optimism going."

Now, I'm not going to tell you who said this, but you guys need to believe it and receive it. (My being an ordained minister came out there for a second )
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Any chance apps might be backed up to Google servers on this phone? As in, without the need for root? I think that would make some people VERY HAPPY.
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Guys, our source says that "You've got a dedicated bunch of guys here. That's great!

I just read Han's plead for more info on the processor or on which website a real leak went to.

Can you tell the gang that I can't reveal that, but that I can confirm that there will definitely be certain components in this phone that haven't been seen in any other phone in the US so far? And I'm not talking about the screen.

Believe me, I would tell you guys everything if I could. I just can't. There's more than just my job at stake, honestly. But I also want to keep the optimism going."

Now, I'm not going to tell you who said this, but you guys need to believe it and receive it. (My being an ordained minister came out there for a second )
Can you ask if we have to wait MUCH longer for an announcement????!?!? Its killing me inside! Surely he can wink or nod or something...
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Guys, our source says that "You've got a dedicated bunch of guys here. That's great!

I just read Han's plead for more info on the processor or on which website a real leak went to.

Can you tell the gang that I can't reveal that, but that I can confirm that there will definitely be certain components in this phone that haven't been seen in any other phone in the US so far? And I'm not talking about the screen.

Believe me, I would tell you guys everything if I could. I just can't. There's more than just my job at stake, honestly. But I also want to keep the optimism going."

Now, I'm not going to tell you who said this, but you guys need to believe it and receive it. (My being an ordained minister came out there for a second )

Certain components not seen in the US so far????!

LET THE SPECULATIONS BEGIN!!!

that post just got me really excited. Thanks to the source and Steven!!
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Guys, our source says that "You've got a dedicated bunch of guys here. That's great!

I just read Han's plead for more info on the processor or on which website a real leak went to.

Can you tell the gang that I can't reveal that, but that I can confirm that there will definitely be certain components in this phone that haven't been seen in any other phone in the US so far? And I'm not talking about the screen.

Believe me, I would tell you guys everything if I could. I just can't. There's more than just my job at stake, honestly. But I also want to keep the optimism going."

Now, I'm not going to tell you who said this, but you guys need to believe it and receive it. (My being an ordained minister came out there for a second )
He mentioned me! I feel so tingly, all over my body. . . .hmmm. . . yes, that feels so tingly and good!

Seriously, Steven, thanks for the update!

Now, what components can he be referring to??
 
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Now, what components can he be referring to??
Anti alien helmets?
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Ok, let's break this down. . .

Components not seen in the US so far. . .

That, at first, kind of pissed me off because even the 1.2 GHz OMAP 4460 hasn't been seen in the US so far, and that's the lowest spec acceptable to us, right?

But then he mentioned "IN THE US". . .so does that mean that whatever IS in the Prime is in a phone somewhere else in the world??

Like in Korea, in the SGSII HD LTE???
 
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Guys, our source says that "You've got a dedicated bunch of guys here. That's great!

I just read Han's plead for more info on the processor or on which website a real leak went to.

Can you tell the gang that I can't reveal that, but that I can confirm that there will definitely be certain components in this phone that haven't been seen in any other phone in the US so far? And I'm not talking about the screen.

Believe me, I would tell you guys everything if I could. I just can't. There's more than just my job at stake, honestly. But I also want to keep the optimism going."

Now, I'm not going to tell you who said this, but you guys need to believe it and receive it. (My being an ordained minister came out there for a second )
So are you saying that this will be the first swiss army knife phone?
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