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Old August 24th, 2011, 02:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default if the nexus prime is made by sammy, will you buy it?

i'm a long time owner of the n1. i was very tempted to get the ns, but the deciding factor was not wanting to deal with a samsung product again. i had a vibrant for two weeks and returned it after having many issues. i know i'm not alone in distrusting sammy, but they seem to have worked out their major issues with their most recent phones. i love my n1, but i'm jealous of all my friends with the beautiful, big screens on their newer phones and i will upgrade soon. i may go back on my vow to never own a sammy phone again. how about you?

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I'm getting it no matter what. I've had my Nexus One for almost two years, so it'll be coming out at a perfect time for me to upgrade.

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Samsung makes stellar hardware. I'll definitely buy it no questions asked.
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Yeah, I get the extended warranty on top of the assurion insurance. 6.99 per month. So, if the hardware breaks, who cares? Samsung typically is slow to update their software, but this is going to be google's software vanilla android. The N1 was the first phone to get upgraded back in the day. You can't go wrong with this.
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Hope the battery can handle the 720 p screen and the dual core 1.5 processor! Can't w8 for IFA !
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I will probably get it. I love Samsung phones. IF it is from them, it would actually seal the deal for me.
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the fact that its the nexus prime, and it will be UNLOCKED! means you wont have to wait on sammy to upgrade their stuff, and all nexus phones are the first to get updates, so no worries i think if you got the prime and it was a sammy you will be ok, but i dont think google will side with sammy again, that shows favortism, look for LG or Moto to be the next Nexus, im personally hoping for Moto.
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I agree the Nexus Prime by Samsung is the best of everything, top quality hardware, beautiful screen, but no dealing with Samsung software updates. Quite possibly the perfect phone.
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Well lets see:
Bionic = could be better
Stratosphere = not a SGS2, likely has a keyboard
Vigor = maybe good, but pre-ICS (ie: smaller screen)

Help me Nexus Prime your my only hope!
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I probably only buy this phone if it has the Super Amoled HD screen and a slim design. So obviously I would love for Samsung to make this phone.
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SAMMYOLED.

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Samsung announced today that they are indeed making the prime. Want to see specs and carrier info.
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I've seen the Nexus S 4G and it feels great. The buttons being in the "wrong" place kinda made me nuts though.

Vanilla Android trumps whatever gripes I have with Samsung and their history of tanking updates. If this is on Verizon, I am getting this.

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I am kind of stuck with Verizon, as it's the only carrier with any decent signal around me. Signs are pointing more and more toward a Prime release on Verizon, even though they've skirted Nexus in the past. If that's truly the case, I'm all over it. Money's saved up, I'll be camped out here waiting patiently (well, maybe not SO patiently) for word.

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I suppose we shall wait together. Verizon is my only option as well.
Hi Magdelaine!

I guess we can hang together right here... after all the delayed phones and then SGS2 being shot down, it's nice to know that we can experience it all in a new Prime forum. After all, misery loves company I suppose
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Count me in, provided it has LTE support. Absolutely LOVE my Charge, but it could really use more RAM, and a dual core processor wouldn't hurt. Just wish the jump to HD was real stripe and not pentile.
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Hey Chief, great to see you here! I'm thinking that we won't be disappointed this time. . . .

The new pics of the leaked Vigor are quite tempting. But if little bits of evidence about the Prime continue to leak out (like wifi certification the other day), I'll keep my pants on.

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I'll wait and see what issues it has on launch.
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I have no problem with Samsung being the next Nexus. As long as the phone have beastly specs, I'm all good.
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Given the fact that Sammy's made the best selling phone in the world (SGSII) with millions of very satisfied customers, I don't see a problem.

Much better, in my opinion, than HTC having a crack at it again.
 
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I only want it if its Samsung. Please Verizon.
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There are reasons why Google chose Samsung for their second, third Nexus devices. They make excellent screen, camera, processors, etc making up great android devices.

But now that they acquired Motorola, their fourth one will reveal what their real intention is on Motorola purchase. Other makers are already wondering and worried that Google will favor Moto for future android updates, features. I certainly hope things don't pan out like that as that will hurt openness of android and other phone makers will start backing away from it. I don't think Google can build Apple like ecosystem with only Motorola.
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I'll wait and see what issues it has on launch.
+1...I learned my lesson from my Captivate. What looks good on paper could be crap in the real world.
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I'm amazed at all of the positive reviews for Samsung products. I feel completely burned by Samsung. Both Samsungs I've owned have been total flops. If Samsung makes this phone, it will make me wait to see what issues pop up. I was less than impressed with the Nexus S 4g due to its radio issues. GPS is still a nightmare on all Samsung phones.
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I use GPS a good bit... uh, what kind of issues?
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I use GPS a good bit... uh, what kind of issues?

The GPS is notoriously imprecise. The accuracy is inferior to almost any other manufacturer. Check out the Epic 4g forum here for more details.

Using my GPS to navigate can be a frustrating experience.
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The GPS is notoriously imprecise. The accuracy is inferior to almost any other manufacturer. Check out the Epic 4g forum here for more details.

Using my GPS to navigate can be a frustrating experience.

The GPS works great on the SGS2 so I don't see GPS being a problem anymore. You could even look videos on Youtube and see videos of how quick the GPS locks and how accurate it is. I saw one video where it beat an HTC EVO 3D (on the same wifi)
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I hope you're right and it's been fixed. It's certainly not a show-stopper, as we have a Garmin for backup. But it would be nice to have an all-in-one device like the OG Droid I'm replacing. Now if this thing can just come with car and desk docks I'll be in Droid-retiring heaven...
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I just hope this is the Celox, US-bound, and passed through FCC within next few weeks.

Better yet would be a firm announcement regarding Verizon at IFA, though I doubt it.
 
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The GPS problems sound like a nightmare. I will wait for reviews. You would think they, Samsung, would get their act together for this and ship with a properly working GPS? I know it was huge selling point for me when I got my Incredible.
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I'm amazed at all of the positive reviews for Samsung products. I feel completely burned by Samsung. Both Samsungs I've owned have been total flops. If Samsung makes this phone, it will make me wait to see what issues pop up. I was less than impressed with the Nexus S 4g due to its radio issues. GPS is still a nightmare on all Samsung phones.
I couldn't agree more. Samsung has always made good to great hardware products with horrible software support. Poorly functioning GPS is still an issue on many of the Galaxy S class phones. Also not a fan of iOS clone TouchWiz. Enough with the super smooth fingerprint magnet bar shapes too. Give it some shape and texture, and make it feel like squeezing it won't break it.

I'll give it to motorola there. They build many of thier phones like tanks. Plus moto has their radios down. GPS works like a charm and the three mic noise cancellation makes for one of the best call quality available on a cell phone.

But if Samsung can get thier act together for this latest release, I may seriously consider it. In any event, October can't get here soon enough.

I wonder, if this is a Verizon exclusive, then will they subsidize it, or just an outright purchase like other Nexus devices.
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I couldn't agree more. Samsung has always made good to great hardware products with horrible software support. Poorly functioning GPS is still an issue on many of the Galaxy S class phones. Also not a fan of iOS clone TouchWiz. Enough with the super smooth fingerprint magnet bar shapes too. Give it some shape and texture, and make it feel like squeezing it won't break it.

I'll give it to motorola there. They build many of thier phones like tanks. Plus moto has their radios down. GPS works like a charm and the three mic noise cancellation makes for one of the best call quality available on a cell phone.

But if Samsung can get thier act together for this latest release, I may seriously consider it. In any event, October can't get here soon enough.

I wonder, if this is a Verizon exclusive, then will they subsidize it, or just an outright purchase like other Nexus devices.
Apparently you and some others are still under outdated impression on samsung androids while you have been holding out. GPS was pretty much the only weak hardware spot of original SGS and it's addressed nicely in SGSII and working fine. Also new Touchwiz 4.0 looks nothing like cartoonish iOS. It's very nicely revamped with butterly smooth UI with new features like motion zoom not found in any other UI yet. Point is they have not been sitting on their laurel since original SGS.
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Apparently you and some others are still under outdated impression on samsung androids while you have been holding out. GPS was pretty much the only weak hardware spot of original SGS and it's addressed nicely in SGSII and working fine. Also new Touchwiz 4.0 looks nothing like cartoonish iOS. It's very nicely revamped with butterly smooth UI with new features like motion zoom not found in any other UI yet. Point is they have not been sitting on their laurel since original SGS.
Not quite so outdated...I spent $500.00 on my Captivate and cannot afford to go out and buy the latest Samsung device with the hopes that I won't get as badly burned as I did before.

The GPS problem is only part of the overall bad experience of this device. Random shutdowns, terrible lag, and the bonus of delayed updates have left a lot of people bitter about that.

My attitude about Samsung is not prejudiced but cautious. They stuck me hard and did nothing (actually refused) to make it right.

I will wait until this device has had some real world use and read reviews before I will take another chance with Samsung.
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Apparently you and some others are still under outdated impression on samsung androids while you have been holding out. GPS was pretty much the only weak hardware spot of original SGS and it's addressed nicely in SGSII and working fine. Also new Touchwiz 4.0 looks nothing like cartoonish iOS. It's very nicely revamped with butterly smooth UI with new features like motion zoom not found in any other UI yet. Point is they have not been sitting on their laurel since original SGS.
The Samsung Galaxy S class phones are less than a year old, how is that outdated?

Galaxy SII, AFAIK, hasn't made it to the US yet, so any comments on their track record should be reserved. SGS was in EU for months before US release and it wasn't common knowledge about the GPS issue.

Speaking of the GPS issue, how is it that you give them a pass for releasing known hardware with extremely poor performance? Software problems and bugs are enevitable, but easily corrected. But bad hardware can almost never be corrected by firmware updates. A quirky file system that caused bad lag and other issues. Not to mention it being unexcusable for a flagship class phone not getting the Froyo update until 6 mos after other phones did.

Samsung has a proven track record of bad support. This reputation has been garnered over YEARS, not just one phone release. Typically, they release a model, and divert virtually all resources toward new product developement. It's very profitable for them, but the consumers get the shaft.

Again, I'm not anti-Samsung, but would go into any Samsung phone with eyes wide open. Now a Nexus device, however, would alleviate a lot of problems with support. Don't need to worry about support when you have vanilla Google. So the only thing I'd have to worry about would be hardware.
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The Samsung Galaxy S class phones are less than a year old, how is that outdated?

Galaxy SII, AFAIK, hasn't made it to the US yet, so any comments on their track record should be reserved. SGS was in EU for months before US release and it wasn't common knowledge about the GPS issue.

Speaking of the GPS issue, how is it that you give them a pass for releasing known hardware with extremely poor performance? Software problems and bugs are enevitable, but easily corrected. But bad hardware can almost never be corrected by firmware updates. A quirky file system that caused bad lag and other issues. Not to mention it being unexcusable for a flagship class phone not getting the Froyo update until 6 mos after other phones did.

Samsung has a proven track record of bad support. This reputation has been garnered over YEARS, not just one phone release. Typically, they release a model, and divert virtually all resources toward new product developement. It's very profitable for them, but the consumers get the shaft.

Again, I'm not anti-Samsung, but would go into any Samsung phone with eyes wide open. Now a Nexus device, however, would alleviate a lot of problems with support. Don't need to worry about support when you have vanilla Google. So the only thing I'd have to worry about would be hardware.
I'm not denying that SGS had hardware issues. But now it's more than an year since it first launched on June last year. Even the US one was first released on late July last year. In wireless technology, that's like eternity. As for the GPS issue, my fascinate locks within 2~3 minutes most of time and its accuracy got better after official Froyo update in Spring. It's not excellent as Motorola but certainly usable. But SGSII seems to have this fully fixed from what I see on international users reviews.

As for Froyo fiasco last year, it was US carriers holding it back and international versions got updated in rather timely fashion. Since they got Nexus S, they got even better in timely update. SGSII already went through several firmware updates to patch small glitches. So they are among the fastest in android updates now. They were not so good in optimizing android OS for best performance with SGS last year. But SGSII is completely different story as it scores over 3100 in quadrant even with Touchwiz UI. Last year, everyone was laughing at their poor quadrant score in stock software. You don't seem to be following their recent moves, improvement.

Every manufacturer has weak spots. HTC is still notorious on battery life, call quality. Motorola is weak on camera, screen. But samsung looks better than others since they addressed GPS, update issues now. So I'm glad that Nexus Prime is made by them.
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I'm glad it's Samsung. I just went from having a Xoom for a few months, and jumped ship to a 10.1 Tab. I'm really not friends with Motorola at the moment. I like Sammy hardware anyway.

GPS issues would be a total showstopper for me, but I really doubt that'll be the case.
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GPS issues are already fixed in the SGSII, right? Hard to believe a new phone developed from the ground up would have a re-emergence of that issue....
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I have seen like half dozen reviews on international SGS2 and none of them mentioned GPS issue as con. Seems like it's fixed rather nicely.
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I'm torn between this and the Vigor. I am very loyal to HTC after owning the Incredible since its launch date... that was just an all-around solid phone. I also shy away from huge phones... I would rather have a sleeker phone.

My 2-year upgrade is Dec 29th (although I can usually talk them into allowing it earlier), and I still have my last 1-year upgrade discount available right now. I recently cracked the glass on my Incredible while backpacking, so I'm going to try and replace it, but I think it's time to upgrade this fall.

I'll keep watching, and probably won't make a decision on the Vigor until I see the official specs of the Prime. I have heard bad things about Samsung, but mostly that relates to updates, which I understand isn't an issue here.
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I'm torn between this and the Vigor. I am very loyal to HTC after owning the Incredible since its launch date... that was just an all-around solid phone. I also shy away from huge phones... I would rather have a sleeker phone.

My 2-year upgrade is Dec 29th (although I can usually talk them into allowing it earlier), and I still have my last 1-year upgrade discount available right now. I recently cracked the glass on my Incredible while backpacking, so I'm going to try and replace it, but I think it's time to upgrade this fall.

I'll keep watching, and probably won't make a decision on the Vigor until I see the official specs of the Prime. I have heard bad things about Samsung, but mostly that relates to updates, which I understand isn't an issue here.
Is Vigor confirmed to have LTE? I haven't seen any official info on it yet. I'm very reluctant to go with HTC as I have seen so many horror stories on their battery, call quality while Samsung, Moto have longer lasting ones and clear sounding calls.
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My very first smartphone was the Eris. That was the worst piece of crap in the history of phones. I hung on to it, hoping that the horrible lags and freeze ups and crappy syncing on movies would go away, and went past the 30 days. I ended up buying a new Droid on day 33 or something like that, for full retail.

I'm scared to death of touching anything with HTC on it.

My wife hung on to her Eris until this February when the iPhone came out, which I got for her (she's definitely not into rooting, etc.), and she can't believe that THIS is what a smartphone is supposed to behave like.
 
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My very first smartphone was the Eris. That was the worst piece of crap in the history of phones. I hung on to it, hoping that the horrible lags and freeze ups and crappy syncing on movies would go away, and went past the 30 days. I ended up buying a new Droid on day 33 or something like that, for full retail.

I'm scared to death of touching anything with HTC on it.

My wife hung on to her Eris until this February when the iPhone came out, which I got for her (she's definitely not into rooting, etc.), and she can't believe that THIS is what a smartphone is supposed to behave like.
Probably their newer ones like Evo3D, Sensation are not that bad. But again Thunderbolt set the example of how bad smart-phone battery can be. Charge outlasts thunderbolt nearly 2X from what I see. So until they prove battery time is no longer issue, theirs is no consideration for me.
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Personal opinion incoming:

Samsung is now the premier maker of Android handsets. They have managed to marry hardware and software better than anyone else.
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Samsung is on a role and HTC, Motorola and the rest better take note. All the devices they just released is loaded and thin.
 
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how is the samsung community compared to the htc community..

I have been using htc since 2004 and know nothing of the samsung community / modders.

htc has alot of folks modding the heck out of their phones, hoping that the samsung folks are in the same boat.
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You did hear that Sammy gave Cyanogen an SGS2 so he could work on developing ROMs for it? I don't have a personal relationship with Sammy devs but that speaks volumes IMO.
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