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Old October 23rd, 2011, 07:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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For a while now, many of us have been disappointed with the lack of an SD slot on the Galaxy Nexus. With potentially only 16GB of internal memory, it's easy to see how a few movies and apps could eat that up in no time.

So, what's the solution? Essentially, you have two options:

  1. Cloud Storage
  2. USB Hosting

I know most of you already know about cloud storage, but let me run through both real quick (sections are conveniently hidden so you're not assaulted by a wall of text immediately).

1. Cloud Storage




So that leads us to our second option, one that's new with ICS and the Galaxy Nexus:

2. USB Hosting





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you can either upload your files to a cloud storage service like Dropbox or plug in a USB drive and access your files from there.

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Cloud storage requires good data connection with unlimited usage, I live in the UK so here generally it sucks and unlimited tends to come with fair usage policys.

I don't think carring round a serperate USB flash drive and adaptor with you is the way to go either.

There options but there not as good as having a microsd card slot.
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Is it really that big of a deal to transfer files to and from your computer using wireless or usb? I think this whole,lack of SD support is getting overlooked...

32 gigs is plenty. You will never use the full 28 or so gigs in one shot. if one was to put what they truly want on the SD card and stop thinking about what they may play, listen, watch or use in 8 months there would be no issue. I for one already had the usb idea in my back pocket if it ever came to that.

To test my theory. Try to think about how you can remove 10 gigs to an already full sdcard. You may be surprised as your brain tells your body no to each file even if you know you won't use a file in the near future.

Usb drives are so small nowadays they have become even more convenient to carry. I'm sure most of you spend the majority of your life or will anyhow at work. Connecting a usb won't damage your pride too much. If you're going out and need the space to shoot pictures or need movies for a trip quickly transfer from or to your computer or usb. It would take a few minutes.

No one is so busy that they can't spare 5 minutes. Otherwise stop being so impractical and or impatient.
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]USB hosting was a feature introduced in Honeycomb on tablets. Now, with the release of Ice Cream Sandwich, the feature will be brought to phones as well!
Ok I know I'm kinda jumping in 'uninvited' so to speak here (as I'm a HTC Desire user and will sadly probably never get the galaxy nexus) but when you say the USB hosting will see its way to phones via ICS, does this mean (hopefully) that any ROM's created that are ICS based as well will have the hosting feature in them?

Being a Desire user I'm watching XDA and the Root forum here for the Desire with the Dev's waiting for source code and then launching into creating an ICS Rom for the Desire...I'm just hoping to see the hosting in that as that would really help alot.

I do agree with you that ok while its sometimes more convenient to have EVERYTHING you want on one card in the phone, its no hardship really to carry say a usb stick or something. I guess its really the general 'consumer' wants EVERYTHING on one, I mean cloud storage to the general 'layman' is starting to be widely more used but I don't see hosting usb as much used right now. Though I guess if the iPhone usb it more then probably everyone would follow (as it sometimes shown alot in market trends).
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Also with the thumb drive idea, because they are so small, one can just put it on their keyring, which is on me as much as my phone is, so whenever I need it I can just plug and play. I think 32 will be fine, as I use google music, and if I travel I can just use a thumb drive for my music and be done with it.
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We already discussed this a little before, but just because it is supported in the OS does not mean it will work with the hardware. You need the device to be able to actually power the storage being used and the device FW set up to use it. Not seeing a phone do this in a stable manner (generically), if at all (unless small flash drive).

Perhaps with a powered flash device (powered USB hub or powered hard drive), or a smaller flash device like some have had luck with the Xoom 1 (before sd cards finally worked).

If it does work- great!

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Has anyone actually verified flash devices work at all on the Nexus, yet alone un-powered?
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Is it really that big of a deal to transfer files to and from your computer using wireless or usb? I think this whole,lack of SD support is getting overlooked...
I almost never remove my microsd card from my phone, that's not really the point.

I have a 16GB SGS2 with 32GB microsd card, that leaves me with about 41GB for storage, of this I have about 4GB free. I'm now considering getting a 64GB microsd card.

Now the Galaxy Nexus will in reality either have around 11GB of storage or 25GB, now if I had a phone with nice HD screen whats the first thing I might want to put on there? HD video! a decent quality HD movie will take up around 2-3GB each, recorded video at 1080p obviously takes up allot of space.

Graphics intensive games take up around 500MB to 1GB each and they are getting bigger, it all adds up, within no time at all you will run into storage issues especially with the "16GB" version which will be the most widely available version, some countrys I doubt will even see the "32GB" version.

It seems to me allot of users just havent thought this through.
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I almost never remove my microsd card from my phone, that's not really the point.

I have a 16GB SGS2 with 32GB microsd card, that leaves me with about 41GB for storage, of this I have about 4GB free. I'm now considering getting a 64GB microsd card.

Now the Galaxy Nexus will in reality will either have around 11GB of storage or 25GB, now if I had a phone with nice HD screen whats the first thing I might want to put on there? HD video! a decent quality HD movie will take up around 2-3GB each, recorded video at 1080p obviously takes up allot of space.

Graphics intensive games take up around 500MB to 1GB each and they are getting bigger, it all adds up, within no time at all you will run into storage issues especially with the "16GB" version which will be the mostly widely available version, some countrys I doubt will even see the "32GB" version.

It seems to me allot of users just havent thought this through.
Even if the device ships with a gig or two more free, same premise. The more apps you install, the less media and more reliance on remote storage (cloud), since no SD option and no confirm the Nexus usb is host and will power a flash device (awkward, but still would be an option).

Seems some will be caught up in the Nexus buzz in this forum (understandable) and maybe get the Nexus and realize they would have been better off with a device having an SD slot. Cloud happy people and lower media users will be oblivious that the sd slot is missing.

Media loving data cappers are best served avoiding the 16gb version, at any rate. IF the 16gb version is the only option.
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Even if the device ships with a gig or two more free, same premise. The more apps you install, the less media and more reliance on remote storage (cloud), since no SD option and no confirm the Nexus usb is host and will power a flash device (awkward, but still would be an option).

Seems some will be caught up in the Nexus buzz in this forum (understandable) and maybe get the Nexus and realize they would have been better off with a device having an SD slot. Cloud happy people and lower media users will be oblivious that the sd slot is missing.

Media loving data cappers are best served avoiding the 16gb version, at any rate. IF the 16gb version is the only option.
I hope users have sense to avoid the 16GB version, but they are going to charge a nice premium for the 32GB version so no doubt some will settle for it.

But cloud storage from my experience is only useful for small files, images or music, images and music take up a very small percentage of what is actually on my phone, you can't use cloud storage for game date, or large files like movies or hd video, it's not practical and it won't work.
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There options but there not as good as having a microsd card slot.
Oh, I agree completely, a built-in MicroSD slot would be ideal, but since this phone definitely won't have one, I was exploring the alternatives.


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When you say the USB hosting will see its way to phones via ICS, does this mean (hopefully) that any ROM's created that are ICS based as well will have the hosting feature in them?
I don't see why an Ice Cream Sandwich ROM would be missing any of the OS features, unless it was a physical limitation of the device, i.e. it couldn't produce enough power to power a flash device. In all probability, though, if ICS comes to the Desire, USB hosting will too.


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Perhaps with a powered flash device (powered USB hub or powered hard drive), or a smaller flash device like some have had luck with the Xoom 1 (before sd cards finally worked).

If it does work- great!

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Has anyone actually verified flash devices work at all on the Nexus, yet alone un-powered?
While there's no official confirmation, unpowered flash devices work, people have been able to do it with the Xoom, like you said. However, the Xoom uses regular micro USB, not MHL, which could cause a difference. Personally, my somewhat-educated guess would be that unpowered flash devices will work on the Nexus, but it remains to be seen. Powered devices definitely would work though, although I don't see how much that would help you from a portability standpoint.

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I hope users have sense to avoid the 16GB version, but they are going to charge a nice premium for the 32GB version so no doubt some will settle for it.
Well, Steven's source (a.k.a. Love Tunnel) said that as far as he/she knows, it's $299 for the 32GB version, which is the same price as the Bionic and the Razr. Nonetheless, I'm sure many will settle for the 16GB version because it'll probably be $200 or $250, assuming Steven's source is correct about the 32GB version.
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I guess MHL may be different, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about powered devices. I'm not sure anyone has confirmed anything about a 32 GB flash drive working on any Android device. And even some smaller flash drives don't work well- something to do with the ones that have software installed on them or something. Even my full-size SD card reader doesn't work with USB host on my Tab (and that's with the Samsung proprietary adapter, even) says it's too high powered- the micro one does work fine though. Portable hard drives will work, but they need to have an external power source. So I wouldn't make any assumptions yet.
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It seems to me allot of users just havent thought this through.
I think a lot of us just don't care. I just checked my D2, and I'm using about 7 GB total between the phone and the SD card and that's from over a year. Storage is just not a big deal to me, I couldn't care less about watching HD movies on a small phone screen (especially since I have a Tab) I stream my music and have never had an issue, and use Pogoplug if I need to access files. I just don't use my phone for anything that requires a lot of storage, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.


Also, FWIW, Pogoplug does stream movies pretty well, and has a lot of advantages over actual cloud storage, IMO, so that's something to check out as well.
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I think a lot of us just don't care. I just checked my D2, and I'm using about 7 GB total between the phone and the SD card and that's from over a year. Storage is just not a big deal to me, I couldn't care less about watching HD movies on a small phone screen (especially since I have a Tab) I stream my music and have never had an issue, and use Pogoplug if I need to access files. I just don't use my phone for anything that requires a lot of storage, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Also, FWIW, Pogoplug does stream movies pretty well, and has a lot of advantages over actual cloud storage, IMO, so that's something to check out as well.
Let me guess are you one of those people who buy a 2000 computer to play solitaire and use facebook?
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Media hounds are a minority of us, but as Amazon, Google, Apple, Motorola, etc push the cloud and Netflix type services and along with this carriers push 4G, the 2gb cap breaches will explode- which is what the carriers are $counting$ on

There is a showdown coming with consumers that will probably involve the FCC and is timed just "perfect" for 2012 elections. I expect this to be an issue in 2012 and the parties noted above are causing an oil and water blend for consumers.

Contradiction in terms: Absurdly low data caps + 4G + cloud storage: I see no math solution that applies any form of logic.

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Think about it folks. Just ONE Netflix hi def film or one streamed from the cloud will KILL the 2gb cap. $30 for one view on a phone? Not adding up and doomed to failure. Using unlimited users as a rationale is futile, since that is an eroding user base for the rolling install base of users. Cappers are the growing trend in the mix.
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OP -- nicely written.

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We already discussed this a little before, but just because it is supported in the OS does not mean it will work with the hardware.

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Has anyone actually verified flash devices work at all on the Nexus, yet alone un-powered?
Not that I've seen. I didn't known USB OTG existed until I saw it mentioned on the Galaxy S2 Wikipedia page a week or so ago. (I've never used an S2 so I can't confirm how well it actually works.) Since then I've been eagerly keeping my ear to the ground for reports. And while it sounds like MHL is confirmed, and therefore that the Nexus likely shares the same USB controller as the S2, I haven't seen any confirmation -- official announcement, successful test, or otherwise -- of USB OTG on the Nexus yet. It'll make a big difference to me so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


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32 gigs is plenty. You will never use the full 28 or so gigs in one shot.
People keep saying this and it's simply not true. I'm still using a 32GB iPhone 3GS and it doesn't even hold half my music, not even half of my own CD rips.

The rebuttal is then that you won't ever listen to it all at one time, so just rotate music on and off the phone. That's great, except it completely defeats the point of having all my music with me, and having the ability to pick and choose whatever I want to listen to at any time.

Instead I have to plan ahead what I'm going to want to listen to later, which is daft. I don't *know* what I'm going to want to listen to later, that's the whole point. I already plan my daily work schedule, I plan my exercise routine, I plan my travel, I plan my grocery shopping and meals, I plan my nights out with friends... I'm sure as hell not about to start planning out my music listening and relaxation time.

If 16 or 32GB works for you, that's great. It doesn't come close to working for me. Maybe I suffer from some kind of music ADHD, but I end up wanting to hear random tracks or albums from all across my collection. Finding that the track or album isn't loaded is incredibly frustrating.



The cloud has one role at which it excels: allowing access to the same data from multiple devices in multiple locations. But it's getting so much press and buzz that it's now being pushed as a substitute for local physical storage in devices that are already portable themselves, which (a) it isn't, and (b) is patently absurd. The whole idea of iPods and mp3 players was to make media completely portable. By backsliding on the amount of local storage and instead pushing reliance on the cloud, things are actually becoming *less* portable because the cloud simply isn't ubiquitous.

Once unrestricted, high-speed internet access reaches 98% coverage, including in subways and tunnels, on trains, boats, and planes; once battery technology advances far enough that we can get more than 6-8 hours between phone charges while running wireless; once obscene roaming charges are done away with ... then sure, the cloud will work just fine as a replacement for physical storage. But until then, much of the press and marketing ploys surrounding the cloud are a big con.
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So this topic came up again in the main thread, so I figured I'd update the OP with this video (under USB hosting)

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So this topic came up again in the main thread, so I figured I'd update the OP with this video (under USB hosting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJXF5pIITc&feature=player_embedded

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I'm really interested in this USB OTG idea, can anyone confirm if it'll work or not?
Even smaller flash drives are OK, like 8-16GB flash drives, for storing movies that I can watch OTG
Keep me updated guys!
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I really wanted this to be the phone that replaces my OG X but the omission of an SD slot and the possibility of it only coming in at 16gb seem like deal breakers.
While the screen is nice, anything larger then the X in terms of phone size was already less then ideal.
It is nice to know there are some workarounds for added storage however, they feel like unnecessary hoops to jump through just so we can restore (less efficiently) features that should have been implemented in the first place.

When I was traveling a couple of months ago on 18hr+ flights that extra memory card was a life saver.
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So this topic came up again in the main thread...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my take-away from the updated information linked to in the main thread (also here: USB Mass Storage ) is that the Galaxy Nexus WILL NOT support this because it *does not* have a removable SD card, and therefore this feature is not supported in 4.0.

Did I read interpret this incorrectly? (Please convince me I did!)

Edit: so I just saw the applicable posts in the mega-thread; disregard my question. I'm looking forward to this feature, especially for quickly accessing photos off my (real) camera.

http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus/401681-official-galaxy-nexus-pre-release-thread-link-afs-owners-post-important-11-19-a-805.html#post3499631
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I have just switched from a 32gb iPhone to a 16gb Nexus - This is a personal opinion but I started to really dislike my phone being my iPod. I would rather have separate devices. Think I have a hearing sweet spot for my Sennheiser Px100's so integrated headphones / mic is not an option.

Sold the iPhone - bought a 16gb Nano and and paid the handset cost for my new Nexus contract and still have 50 left over - happy days.

Have said before - the Nexus is amazing and I am really impressed with the Google integration.

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I don't think it has been brought up in this thread - if it did I missed it completely - but Verizon is allowing tiered data users to DOUBLE their data cap without any extra cost!

2GB plans turn into 4GB for $30. And on and on. If you're tiered and are considering a phone that relies on the cloud, DO check this out!

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Oh, man, a case that had embedded USB wiring so that you could insert full-sized SD cards into it would be effing badass. The wiring could be wrapped around the bottom so the SD card goes on the back instead of protruding from the bottom. It'd let me do things like pack a bunch of movies if I'm going on a long trip, without the discomfort of extra cabling/protrusions.
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If this USB OTG really works, then I have no problem with the GN not having a SD card slot
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For a while now, many of us have been disappointed with the lack of an SD slot on the Galaxy Nexus. With potentially only 16GB of internal memory, it's easy to see how a few movies and apps could eat that up in no time.

So, what's the solution? Essentially, you have two options:

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Have you actually tried usb hosting on the GN or know anyone who's done it successfully? I know it should work but some guys who've tried it over on xda haven't been able to get it to work - one of them with a cable and drive that work with the GS2.

[Q] Usb host on the go - xda-developers

I use linux and was hoping that usb hosting would give me an easy way to get data on the phone, given it doesn't support ums, it'd be nice to know that this actually works real world rather than just being a theoretical possibility...
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Yes, we all want to have a USB stick sticking out of our phone. For the same real estate on the phone, they could have simply put in a micro sd slot.
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Have you actually tried usb hosting on the GN or know anyone who's done it successfully? I know it should work but some guys who've tried it over on xda haven't been able to get it to work - one of them with a cable and drive that work with the GS2.

[Q] Usb host on the go - xda-developers

I use linux and was hoping that usb hosting would give me an easy way to get data on the phone, given it doesn't support ums, it'd be nice to know that this actually works real world rather than just being a theoretical possibility...

You will need to buy a tablet with ICS to get the function (bigger battery to cover the power draw to sustain USB host beyond small flash memory). Even this assumes the device has the needed power bridge in the usb connection, flash partition mapped and the UI designed to support it.

Again, just because the OS supports it, does not mean the OEM has designed the function into the device.

That would be too expensive and impractical to blanket design all devices that way.
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You will need to buy a tablet with ICS to get the function (bigger battery to cover the power draw to sustain USB host beyond small flash memory). Even this assumes the device has the needed power bridge in the usb connection, flash partition mapped and the UI designed to support it.

Again, just because the OS supports it, does not mean the OEM has designed the function into the device.

That would be too expensive and impractical to blanket design all devices that way.

The OP includes a video of using a GS2 as a usb host and others on xda report doing the same thing, so it doesn't have to be a tablet; given the success on GS2 it seems to me reasonable to hope it would work on the GN but so far it seems not to.

fwiw people have had success using peripherals such as usb keyboards and mice with the GN
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THIS IS CONFIRMED Well let me Say something about it, Galaxy Nexus DOES NOT support USB hosting and USB mass storage, but ice cream sandwich does support it. If a given device has a removable SD card it will support USB Mass Storage. If it has only built-in storage (like Xoom and Galaxy Nexus) it will (usually) support only MTP and PTP. Sorry to bring this up but it is true.
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THIS IS CONFIRMED Well let me Say something about it, Galaxy Nexus DOES NOT support USB hosting and USB mass storage, but ice cream sandwich does support it. If a given device has a removable SD card it will support USB Mass Storage. If it has only built-in storage (like Xoom and Galaxy Nexus) it will (usually) support only MTP and PTP. Sorry to bring this up but it is true.
Xooms have a microSD slot and yes it does use MTP. My understanding is by switching to MTP it is possible to browse and view files both locally on the device and a computer when connected via USB. On my OG Droid I always had to connect to a computer and once connected I could not browse the files on my phone until it was disconnected. IMO MTP is a better option.
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THIS IS CONFIRMED Well let me Say something about it, Galaxy Nexus DOES NOT support USB hosting and USB mass storage, but ice cream sandwich does support it. If a given device has a removable SD card it will support USB Mass Storage. If it has only built-in storage (like Xoom and Galaxy Nexus) it will (usually) support only MTP and PTP. Sorry to bring this up but it is true.
Er... no, it's not
USB hosting and USB mass storage are different things
USB mass storage IS NOT supported, because of the "no micro SD card slot"
But USB hosting IS supported, gamepads are working, the only thing that isn't are Flash Drives, and GN's chip DOES support USB hosting, so it's only a matter of time until it's updated to read Flash Drives

Here's a link that proves USB hosting IS supported, although it isn't working YET
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To OP,

USB Hosting does NOT work on Galaxy Nexus.

So, that is not an option for "more storage" solution for Galaxy Nexus.

Please update your first post.

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Er... no, it's not
USB hosting and USB mass storage are different things
USB mass storage IS NOT supported, because of the "no micro SD card slot"
But USB hosting IS supported, gamepads are working, the only thing that isn't are Flash Drives, and GN's chip DOES support USB hosting, so it's only a matter of time until it's updated to read Flash Drives

Here's a link that proves USB hosting IS supported, although it isn't working YET
http://www.google.com/support/ics/ne...&topic=1650156
Well, galaxy nexus DOESN'T support it either, why? It using the solution of iPhone-like to increase smoothness and performance. If you still don't believe it, google search, that is already many of them complaint about lack of USB hosting.
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It IS supported, but it seems it hasn't been implemented yet. It's mentioned in the event in Hong Kong!

Didn't anyone read my post? Here's the link, AGAIN
http://www.google.com/support/ics/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GB&answer=1650160&topic=1650156
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In your link they talk about input devices, but I don't see any reference to thumb drives. I'll have to re-watch the video of the HK event when I have some down time.
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In your link they talk about input devices, but I don't see any reference to thumb drives. I'll have to re-watch the video of the HK event when I have some down time.
Yes, sorry, I gotta clarify, it DOES support USB Hosting, but not specifically thumb drives, that's still not proven
I just wanna say that Kevin098 and gogol are wrong, so that nobody will get confused here
USB Hosting IS supported, but for thumb drives, it's still not proven
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It does not work out of the box, but we devs will definitely figure out a way to make this work.
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The OP includes a video of using a GS2 as a usb host and others on xda report doing the same thing, so it doesn't have to be a tablet; given the success on GS2 it seems to me reasonable to hope it would work on the GN but so far it seems not to.

fwiw people have had success using peripherals such as usb keyboards and mice with the GN

There is a difference with USB host for supporting input devices and full usb host support to power and in a stable manner, support flash memory beyond a few GB.

Just because ICS supports the function doe not mean the OEM is using it in their design. HC has support too, but most tablets do not have the function, beyond input devices.

Added: Case in point, out of box, full usb host does not work with the Nexus.
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There is a difference with USB host for supporting input devices and full usb host support to power and in a stable manner, support flash memory beyond a few GB.

Just because ICS supports the function doe not mean the OEM is using it in their design. HC has support too, but most tablets do not have the function, beyond input devices.

Added: Case in point, out of box, full usb host does not work with the Nexus.
Unless people are not using the correct USB host cable -- that's my hope at least.
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Unless people are not using the correct USB host cable -- that's my hope at least.

One of the main Android team ICS devs posted that the Nexus does not have USB host storage support, so seems a done deal not having full usb host support. Various sites link the comments the dev made.

Still, if Sammy did not design the usb connection to support the function, they would not have wasted the money with the needed components. None of Samsung tablets have host support and Google are huge fans for cloud storage. Seems the lack of USB storage is by mutual design with Google and Sammy.

Still the SG2 apparently works and with GB? I wish the SGS2 made it to VZW. Nice device.

Even the video linked above does not have full USB host, since input devices do not work, but smaller flash drives do work. Powered do work though, so a lot better than nothing.
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For now I'll leave the OP as is. I understand that it's possible that USB hosting does not work yet, for some reason.
However, Google claims it does, so I'll leave it to devs and Google to figure out the problem.
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One of the main Android team ICS devs posted that the Nexus does not have USB host storage support, so seems a done deal not having full usb host support. Various sites link the comments the dev made.

Still, if Sammy did not design the usb connection to support the function, they would not have wasted the money with the needed components. None of Samsung tablets have host support and Google are huge fans for cloud storage. Seems the lack of USB storage is by mutual design with Google and Sammy.

Still the SG2 apparently works and with GB? I wish the SGS2 made it to VZW. Nice device.

Even the video linked above does not have full USB host, since input devices do not work, but smaller flash drives do work. Powered do work though, so a lot better than nothing.
Where does a main Android ICS devs post that it doesn't support USB host support?

USB mass storage mode has NOTHING to do with USB Host (OTG) mode -- these are two different things. One is for mounting the SDCard volume on your PC for file transferring, the other is for mounting a USB stick or other peripheral on the phone.

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I think we are debating semantics, but not long to find out. The link for the discussion from the dev is linked in several threads.
Will look later, but was linked yesterday at different sites.
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I think we are debating semantics, but not long to find out. The link for the discussion from the dev is linked in several threads.
Will look later, but was linked yesterday at different sites.
I just read what I posted and I definitely came off as rude, so let me take a step back and explain why we aren't debating semantics.

The article on reddit from the ICS dev discusses USB Mass Storage mode, which is a protocol that allows a Universal Serial Bus (USB) device to become accessible to a host computing device, to enable file transfers between the two. To the host device, the USB device appears similar to an external hard drive, enabling drag-and-drop file transfers.

The topic at hand in this thread is USB Host Mode or USB On-The-Go (UBS OTG), which is a specification that allows USB devices such as digital audio players or mobile phones to act as a host allowing a USB Flash Drive, mouse, or keyboard to be attached.

The USB Mass Storage mode is not supported because of the lack of SD card in the phone (explained by the ICS dev), this is what is discussed in my USB Mass Storage Mode thread above. The USB OTG mode is something that is currently trying to be figured out over at XDA (my link above from XDA). Phones running 3.1 and higher should support USB OTG (which will allow us to plug flash drives INTO our phone), but for some reason the SGN doesn't seem to support it natively whether its a cable or kernel issue no one is 100% sure yet.
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THIS IS CONFIRMED Well let me Say something about it, Galaxy Nexus DOES NOT support USB hosting and USB mass storage, but ice cream sandwich does support it. If a given device has a removable SD card it will support USB Mass Storage. If it has only built-in storage (like Xoom and Galaxy Nexus) it will (usually) support only MTP and PTP. Sorry to bring this up but it is true.

I just found this article while researching this issue:

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I think it's a done deal that the GN does not support usb mass storage.

USB hosting works differently and I've not seen anything official comment on the GN and usb hosting - as has been said the android engineer on the reddit link was talking about usb hosting.

I've not been to xda this morning, yestereve the sitch was one bloke had tried it with a cable and drive that didn't work on his xoom either and that's known to support usb hosting which IMO left usb hosting on the GN as uncertain.
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Correct and this what was mentioned above.

We all know and has been 100% confirmed that the SGN does not support USB Mass Storage mode, but let's leave that discussion in this thread: USB Mass Storage
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Thank you Stigy! I've been trying to point from the start that USB mass storage and USB Host are different things

USB Mass Storage is confirmed 100% not supported
USB Host still isn't confirmed, because Google says it's supported but it won't work out of the box
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