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Old March 20th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey just discovered FoxFi (works Amazing) But would I would like to know is there anyway Verizon can detect that your tethering your device without paying for It???

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Tether shows up in the data used as together and portable but doesn't mention how or from what program.
I used less than 200mb and havent heard from vzw on my bill. I used Foxfi last night for two hours and it worked fine.
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Keep in mind that whenever you go over your 2 gig cap (for *whatever* reason,) they have the option to throttle you if the tower you're connected to at the moment is particularly busy. So, that's another thing to consider before anyone goes buck nutty.
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The data that comes from a desktop device or an ipad or a <insert not your phone here> looks different enough that if they want to notice you're tethered they can make a pretty good guess.

I've seen cease and desist letters from other carriers sent to people who violate the tethering rules, never heard of them actually shutting some one down though.

Your mileage may vary.
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Cool thanks I have unlimited data (grandfathered) and ive used abouy 700mb through the foxfi app ill ipdate if i get a letter or notfication
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Keep in mind that whenever you go over your 2 gig cap (for *whatever* reason,) they have the option to throttle you if the tower you're connected to at the moment is particularly busy. So, that's another thing to consider before anyone goes buck nutty.
They claim they only do that on 3G and not 4G (yet).
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They claim they only do that on 3G and not 4G (yet).
Yeah I read somewhere that its in their agreement with the FCC that they can't throttle 4g, but you never can trust the interwebs...
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I use FoxFi, on a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and average about 6-8gb a month in usage. Instead of a letter VZW gave me a free 4g phone. I just upgraded from a Droid X to this beautiful SGN.
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Hello, i have the samsung galaxy prevail and i downloaded the foxfi app. It creates the hotspot. I am able to connect to it on my laptop but it says the "Dns server is not responding". Others with the same phone have gotten it to work. So i dot knt what I'm doing wrong. Can anyone help me please?
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I was able to download and set up a wifi hotspot with this, which my iPad 2 picked up immediately, in about 3 minutes. Pretty sweet. Not sure I'll need it or use it much but it's nice to know I can if necessary.
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Hello, i have the samsung galaxy prevail and i downloaded the foxfi app. It creates the hotspot. I am able to connect to it on my laptop but it says the "Dns server is not responding". Others with the same phone have gotten it to work. So i dot knt what I'm doing wrong. Can anyone help me please?
I believe the wifi hotspot works on your phone, but the bluetooth definitely would. But as far as the DNS server not responding error. I have seen that when I have another network on delivering DNS. So just shut down any other connected networks. Then it should work.
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Ive been using it a little bit over the last week, and no problems so far. Im not using any more data tethering than I would on my phone. In fact I just use it to tinker with my HP Touchpad and some mild browsing which I would have done on my phone anyway.


So Verizon can detect weather you are tethering or not if they really look hard? I always thought that data showed up as data used regardless of how it was used.
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I have it and it's working great so far. I did have to set up a password(wpa2) in order for my laptops to connect. Hope this helps some.
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I have it and it's working great so far. I did have to set up a password(wpa2) in order for my laptops to connect. Hope this helps some.
Mine works great too. You want the password as that way others near you won't be using your connection without your authorizing it.
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You don't even need FoxFi to get a portable hotspot. From what I can tell, any widget that lets you activate the hotspot (without going into the Settings menu) will bypass the account check and turn on the wireless hotspot.

For example, I downloaded the SwitchPro widget. Essentially, it's just a heavily customizable Settings widget. I made it look like the stock ICS Power Control widget, added on the hotspot toggle, and voila - the hotspot turns on immediately when I hit the button. Works with the configuration in the Settings menu so there's no need to set up a third party app to get it all set up.
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Ive been using it a little bit over the last week, and no problems so far. Im not using any more data tethering than I would on my phone. In fact I just use it to tinker with my HP Touchpad and some mild browsing which I would have done on my phone anyway.


So Verizon can detect weather you are tethering or not if they really look hard? I always thought that data showed up as data used regardless of how it was used.
They if they felt like it, they could start investigating the packets of information your phone is sending and receiving, if something doesn't look like its likely to come from a phone, you its very likely you could get caught. You'd be surprised by the amount of information a web browser spews out about your browser and your actual computer when you load a web page.

Odds are that won't happen though. I wouldn't be too worried until Verizon says they are cracking down on unauthorized tethering.
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Just a heads up, when I use pda net it always says dns not responding if I use the default dns. So I switched to googles dns of 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Maybe this will help.

Now fort the foxfi questions. Do you need any client software running on your attached devices? And will it work with xbox live without doing a bunch of hacks? On pda net it errors out about mtu being too low. Thanks for the help

Ps I've been tethering with pda net for a long time but most of my data usage comes from my phone. Netflix and t-torrent and pocket legends use way more data than my computer does. But if they wanted to know who was tethering all they would have to do is look at your market history and downloads. They know what were doing but it would harm them more to "deal with us" than ignore us.
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Just a heads up, when I use pda net it always says dns not responding if I use the default dns. So I switched to googles dns of 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Maybe this will help.

Now fort the foxfi questions. Do you need any client software running on your attached devices? And will it work with xbox live without doing a bunch of hacks? On pda net it errors out about mtu being too low. Thanks for the help

Ps I've been tethering with pda net for a long time but most of my data usage comes from my phone. Netflix and t-torrent and pocket legends use way more data than my computer does. But if they wanted to know who was tethering all they would have to do is look at your market history and downloads. They know what were doing but it would harm them more to "deal with us" than ignore us.
No, your connected device doesn't need any client software. It's just a wifi network as far as its concerned.

I don't think the network providers (Verizon, etc.) can access your market history. I would think that if they had access to your Google account in any way, that would be a serious privacy breach. Does anyone know for sure?
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Thanks for the quick reply and help. As far as market information I know they have some access to your google account. You can (or at least for a while could) have market purchases billed to your Verizon account.

Think about this tho for a minute. When I worked for AT&T dsl there was a tool that could access any yahoo users personal data, even people not using AT&T. Emails, pictures, anything that used a yahoo login. That tool was heavily monitored and abuse was punished with immediate termination. Customers had no idea what we could do, and no one afaik abused it. We have no idea either what Verizon can do, but im sure there is a similar policy incase someone went poking where they don't belong.
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Thanks for the quick reply and help. As far as market information I know they have some access to your google account. You can (or at least for a while could) have market purchases billed to your Verizon account.

Think about this tho for a minute. When I worked for AT&T dsl there was a tool that could access any yahoo users personal data, even people not using AT&T. Emails, pictures, anything that used a yahoo login. That tool was heavily monitored and abuse was punished with immediate termination. Customers had no idea what we could do, and no one afaik abused it. We have no idea either what Verizon can do, but im sure there is a similar policy incase someone went poking where they don't belong.
I would believe that would require explicit permission from the user for that service though (for the Verizon market thing). But I highly doubt, even if they can access your account, they would start snooping at your market history, and then actually act on it. Could you imagine the amount of backlash that would happen if they started doing something like that? AT&T already got a ton of flac for subbing people up for tethering plans automatically. And they were just examining network traffic, which is fully in their right.

Actually on the AT&T thing though, what was the point of being able to access that sort of information on Yahoo accounts? I can't really think of any good reason that you guys would need look at a customer's Yahoo account. But who knows, you actually worked there, so you would know better than me.
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Actually on the AT&amp;T thing though, what was the point of being able to access that sort of information on Yahoo accounts? I can't really think of any good reason that you guys would need look at a customer's Yahoo account. But who knows, you actually worked there, so you would know better than me.
My mother has SBC Global DSL service through AT&T in Ohio and her web mail service is somehow integrated with Yahoo mail. I'm not sure if that is the case with all subscribers or if she had her account synced somehow.
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I've been using foxfi for about a week now, it's great,

I'm on an unlimited data plan "but absolutely no tethering allowed"

I've got through about 7GB so far even posted on carrier forum. not been detected as jet.

but, I do also have a double safe guard backup.

I use firefox to browse, so I've created a new profile just for using phone data, I've added a new user agent string to override the default setting, this tricks it into believing I'm an android phone.

Of course, as a result, when firefox launches it comes up as mobile net and each site you visit also come in mobile web form. so you have to select classic view, full site or desktop view. whatever choice each site gives you to get full desktop mode.

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i am using a samsung captivate - i start Foxfi and it starts and i can connect my laptop to the phone but i get no internet connectivity. I also tried to connect my Ipad and it also connects to the network but no internet access - is there a setting on the captivate that i need to change? What am i missing here?
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phone- Motorola flipside (rooted), android 2.2.2, foxfi 1.81.3



tablet- acer iconia a500 android 4.0.3, pdanet tablet 2.20



I have been able to use the bluetooth connection to tether my phone to my tablet, however when I do this only some of the apps can see the connection (web browsers, facebook app etc) other apps can not (weather channel app, log me in ignition etc) I have rootded the phone, not the tablet and I have tried the wifi hot spot feature and it says wifi mode has failed on your phone please use bluetooth mode instead. How may I be able to get all apps on my tablet to see the data connection?



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Don't you guys have the built in tethering app?

I'm with 'Three' network in the UK with an unlimited data allowance plan but part of the deal is to not let me tether to other appliances although I can tether to other phones/ipads etc.

A few weekends ago my home internet went down so I was unable to surf the 'net using my PC. I didn't want to use my phone to tether to it because I thought I might get a surcharge.
Would using FoxiFi or another app help me with this problem if it happened again?

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You don't even need FoxFi to get a portable hotspot. From what I can tell, any widget that lets you activate the hotspot (without going into the Settings menu) will bypass the account check and turn on the wireless hotspot.

For example, I downloaded the SwitchPro widget. Essentially, it's just a heavily customizable Settings widget. I made it look like the stock ICS Power Control widget, added on the hotspot toggle, and voila - the hotspot turns on immediately when I hit the button. Works with the configuration in the Settings menu so there's no need to set up a third party app to get it all set up.
Well, I'm new to Android, but how exactly does this work? For example, who is providing the DHCP to the connected device? I suspected FoxFi is activating DHCP, but from your post it seems something other than what I thought.

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Thanks for the quick reply and help. As far as market information I know they have some access to your google account. You can (or at least for a while could) have market purchases billed to your Verizon account.

Think about this tho for a minute. When I worked for AT&T dsl there was a tool that could access any yahoo users personal data, even people not using AT&T. Emails, pictures, anything that used a yahoo login. That tool was heavily monitored and abuse was punished with immediate termination. Customers had no idea what we could do, and no one afaik abused it. We have no idea either what Verizon can do, but im sure there is a similar policy incase someone went poking where they don't belong.
Oh really? Please tell us more. Are you saying that ATT snooped on the open http requests? Seems that is somehow illegal or something.

But even more, why does it matter? That is, what does "abuse was punished" mean? Abuse, as in... people were not supposed to use Yahoo? I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding.

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To answer the original question, yes any carrier can detect tethering. When any type of internet device sends a request for something on the internet both the requesting device and sending device embed their Mac I'd within each data packet. Internet data works on Mac addressing (device to device) and uses IP addressing simply as a way to rout the request.

So... if your carrier suspects you are in breech of your service agreement due to higher than normal data use they can enable high level monitor in sw to capture the requesting/sending Mac I'd and see if it matches the devices Mac id. When it does not match the Mac I'd of the device the carrier has a number of options because at that point you are breaking your service agreement with them.

Most carriers do not aggressively hunt down tethering users, mainly the data hogs causing others users off that tower service issues are the ones the carrier goes after.
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Hey just discovered FoxFi (works Amazing) But would I would like to know is there anyway Verizon can detect that your tethering your device without paying for It???

only if someone were to idiotically stream movies/music. just surf the web and you'll be fine-it's the same bandwidth whether you're surfing the web on your phone or tethering on your pc/tablet.
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hi ive installed foxfi on my galaxy s3 but i cant connect none of my devises. ive tried to change the name of the hotspot everything but nothing works. please i need help thanks
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Don't you guys have the built in tethering app?

I'm with 'Three' network in the UK with an unlimited data allowance plan but part of the deal is to not let me tether to other appliances although I can tether to other phones/ipads etc.

A few weekends ago my home internet went down so I was unable to surf the 'net using my PC. I didn't want to use my phone to tether to it because I thought I might get a surcharge.
Would using FoxiFi or another app help me with this problem if it happened again?

I thought that the GNex had that option built in as well?? I haven't tried it yet though to know if it works?
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Has anyone tried foxfi with the gsm nexus on a network like t-mobile?
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This question often comes up. From what I have read, most users do not get hit by the carrier, and I've never heard of any verifiable cases of it happening. I don't doubt that they could detect it and stop it or charge for it if they wanted to, but just like digital property copyrights, etc... they can stop it one way, but the computer world will find a way around it. The only way to stop it completely is to stop all data.

Of course, common sense tells that one should be frugal about it's use. For example, if you use 1GB of mobile data monthly, then don't tether 10GB. Watch out though, tethering is easy to chug the data down quickly...

I think about it as a cost benefit analysis... they are pretty much golden with most users moved to tiered data plans, and with throttling (I haven't experienced any, not noticeably), that pretty much fixes the rest of the problem. The amount of "illegally" tethered data is probably minuscule compared to the data that is used within the plan rules. Why would they invest many $ into stopping a behavior that doesn't hurt their profits by at least the cost of implementing the tech to stop the behavior?

Also, most "illegal" tether users would not pay for tethering if they couldn't tether for free. Kind of like how the movie industry complains about downloaders... most downloaders would probably not go buy, rent, or otherwise pay for the stuff they download. So you can just add 1,000,000 x $15 per dvd and say they lost $15,000,000 in revenue... no they probably lost 10% of that at most (minus legal fees and other costs of enforcement)...

I think it would be a net loss of $ to VZW to enforce free tethering bans, otherwise they would do it...
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hi ive installed foxfi on my galaxy s3 but i cant connect none of my devises. ive tried to change the name of the hotspot everything but nothing works. please i need help thanks
I'm interested in the answer to Cindy's question too: Will FoxFi work on the Verizon Galaxy S3? Anybody know?
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I see tethering as a "only when necessary " type of thing that is done for only very short periods of time on occasion.
The people who use it as a replacement for home internet are the ones who wreck it for everyone else. That type needs to grow up and pay for home internet not abuse their phone data.
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Probably better to ask on S3 forum.
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Yes, foxfi works on GS3 if side loaded.
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My understanding is that you can fool your cellphone providers system from detecting that you're using your phone as an access point. You need to install what is known as a user agent addon with an Android header to your computers browser so it appears to your cellphone provider that your high data usage is coming from your phone and NOT from an external device.

I just installed the 'User Agent Changer 2.6.8' addon to Firefox for Mac on my computer and imported all the other stuff including the Android header.

If anyone knows how I can test this so I'll know absolutely 100% for sure that its working I would greatly appreciate it...and also how to do the same with an iPad too.
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My understanding is that you can fool your cellphone providers system from detecting that you're using your phone as an access point. You need to install what is known as a user agent addon with an Android header to your computers browser so it appears to your cellphone provider that your high data usage is coming from your phone and NOT from an external device.

I just installed the 'User Agent Changer 2.6.8' addon to Firefox for Mac on my computer and imported all the other stuff including the Android header.

If anyone knows how I can test this so I'll know absolutely 100% for sure that its working I would greatly appreciate it...and also how to do the same with an iPad too.
Isn't this what the foxfi addon proxy does?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxfi.addon&feature=more_from_devel oper#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmZveGZpLmFkZG9uIl 0.
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I didn't have a need for creating a mobile access point until now so this is all new to me. Point being, I just heard about FoxFi so I really don't know what its capable of doing. Do you know if it works on rooted Android phones? Does it hide from cellphone providers that you're using your phone as an access point? If it does that then it sure seems simpler than what I was going to do!


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I didn't have a need for creating a mobile access point until now so this is all new to me. Point being, I just heard about FoxFi so I really don't know what its capable of doing. Do you know if it works on rooted Android phones? Does it hide from cellphone providers that you're using your phone as an access point? If it does that then it sure seems simpler than what I was going to do!
Without seeing the source code, I have no idea how much scrubbing the foxfi proxy does. I'd submit a question to the dev from that link above. If you do, please post the response, I'd be interested in seeing it!

I don't have a rooted gnex, so I can't help you there, though I would suspect it would work fine.
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I downloaded FoxFi and it does work as a hotspot on my rooted phone. Yes I will contact the developers to see about the other stuff. Thanks.
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it does, and i'm up to 36 gigs!

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I see tethering as a "only when necessary " type of thing that is done for only very short periods of time on occasion.
The people who use it as a replacement for home internet are the ones who wreck it for everyone else. That type needs to grow up and pay for home internet not abuse their phone data.
hmm.. i pay ~$175 for "unlimited" 4G, with a dumbphone on the same line...

my phone isn't a replacement for home internet, but with the current prices and the way things "are" for lots of people, F Verizon!
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my phone isn't a replacement for home internet, but with the current prices and the way things "are" for lots of people, F Verizon!
You're not F'ing Verizon, they get theirs no matter what. Your screwing your tower neighbors by causing slower downloads for all. And if using 36 gigs of mobile data isn't being used as a replacement for an ISP what would you call it?
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And have any of you guys figured out yet if FoxFi does NOT make it appear to our cellphone provider that we are using our phone as a hotspot?
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You're not F'ing Verizon, they get theirs no matter what. Your screwing your tower neighbors by causing slower downloads for all. And if using 36 gigs of mobile data isn't being used as a replacement for an ISP what would you call it?
i'm not f'ing Verizon by crippling a tower? ok. so when you drop a call or have slow data speeds, you blame people on the network or service provider...

36 gigs is a record for me... pretty impressive! 2 games on steam, xbox live and a few movies on netflix.

i use about 6-8 gigs monthly sometimes using netflix, google play music and various stuff... all legit.

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i'm not f'ing Verizon by crippling a tower? ok. so when you drop a call or have slow data speeds, you blame people on the network or service provider...

36 gigs is a record for me... pretty impressive! 2 games on steam, xbox live and a few movies on netflix.

i use about 6-8 gigs monthly sometimes using netflix, google play music and various stuff... all legit.

So if you're using that much ....why don't you just get actual home internet service?

And if it's legit how about calling up Verizon and asking them how "legit" it is?
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You don't even need FoxFi to get a portable hotspot. From what I can tell, any widget that lets you activate the hotspot (without going into the Settings menu) will bypass the account check and turn on the wireless hotspot.

For example, I downloaded the SwitchPro widget. Essentially, it's just a heavily customizable Settings widget. I made it look like the stock ICS Power Control widget, added on the hotspot toggle, and voila - the hotspot turns on immediately when I hit the button. Works with the configuration in the Settings menu so there's no need to set up a third party app to get it all set up.
Does using a widget like switchpro create a free hotspot? Really?
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