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Yes, spilt the section up. One for Int'l and one for US versions. 107 64.85%
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Old October 12th, 2012, 12:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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With the International Note 2 already being sold and the US versions about to within the next few weeks, this forum has gotten larger. I've noticed that there are quite a few threads from both sides of the pond (Europe and US) and it is getting to be a bit harder in determining whether the post in question is pertaining to the International version or the US version.

Therefore I would like for the members to kindly vote whether the site should add another section for the Galaxy Note 2. This one can probably stay as the International version since it came out already and the new one for the US versions.

If voted to create a new section is approved, I'll move the threads to their appropriate sections.

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Either way, we'll definitely have different root forums.
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My vote is going for splitting it up. I can only imagine how confusing it may become for some folk once the US versions arrive.
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A lot of s3 users would be annoyed since their requests for this have all been knocked back. What you decide here should become policy.

Personally I think carrier prefixes are the best option
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I vote for keeping everything in the same forum, but splitting up the root sections.

My main reasoning behind this is, the phone (for the most part) is going to be the same across all providers, so there will be valuable information that could translate to every version (regardless of provider).

There certainly will be threads that would obviously be specific to hardware additions that won't be on other providers (e.g. SIM card discussions, TV antenna discussions (Korean version), carrier specific bloatware apps), but the overall phone and functions of TouchWiz should be the same overall.

After all, it's not that everybody participates in every single thread that's created, but I think by keeping a singular SG Note 2 forum, it allows a broader sense of community for Android Forums members, both Internationally and in the US. This is actually the part of deciding on upgrading to the Galaxy Note 2 that I was looking forward to. In my past couple years with Android (Evo and Photon), I never got the experience of being able to share information with people who had the same phone on different providers (because both Android phones I had were not offered anywhere except for Sprint). I was really looking forward to much broader discussions than I've had in the past.

Of course, I think the easiest way to alleviate any "confusion," is maybe on the drop down bar, when selecting the topic of a new thread, the provider can be added as an indicator, so that people will know if it's a "carrier specific" concern or if it's a general concern? Not sure how easy that would be to add, but just a thought.
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Let's wait until the official announcement to see what changes there are. Looking at the FCC filings, we may be faced with an S2 situation where we need a WHOLE forum for each carrier.
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Let's wait until the official announcement to see what changes there are. Looking at the FCC filings, we may be faced with an S2 situation where we need a WHOLE forum for each carrier.
I think all the carrier specific versions have had leaked images already and all things point to the physical attributes at least looking the same visually. I can't confirm that the dimensions are the same, but I haven't watched any reviews stating otherwise.

The FCC filings were definitely confusing because the dimensions of the diagrams all looked different (leading many to believe there would be physical "variants"). The only FCC filing diagram that looked similar to the dimensions of the international version was the Sprint filing (and I believe the Verizon).
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Tough call.. there are certainly carrier specific questions, but I do like to read all posts because no matter the variant, there is alwaus something of interest to me or something to learn.

I'm a heavy lurker so far, but get closer to posting everyday, the more I learn from the regulars.

Sub-forums maybe? There are plusses and minuses no matter how it's done, so glad it's not my decision. Haha
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I voted keep it together, any news is worth me wishing I had it already! When the US gets their version we'll just bump those international post to the bottom.... and noone scrolls to the bottom, right?
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There are many pros/cons to keeping a forum like this together vs. separating, however keeping the general forum together leads to more work for the Guides/Mods/Admins, just as far as keeping the sub-forum organized without a multitude of duplicate threads, while keeping good discussions going and not getting a cluster flock (yes, flock is a replacement word) of jumbled information and adding confusion.

I guess the main question would be, will there be enough Guides/Mods that will have this device that can support maintaining the order of a general forum that could be quite massive (if kept together). If it's unrealistic for that to happen (which is very understandable), then it's probably more advantageous to separate the forum.

Overall, I think that keeping the forum together builds a greater sense of community...a more global approach to discussions about a great device, rather than it being isolated to specific carriers and/or international GSM versions or other variants. Samsung did a lot to keep providers (especially in the US) from creating "variants" of their devices, so that their devices could be globally recognized. I like that idea. The fact that I've already had discussions with people in the UK, Korea, Philippines, India...about the same device...to me, that's broadening the scope of what being an Android fanatic is all about, IMO...It's Open, not closed.
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You sound like a staff member. oh wait, you were.

Good, good. I like this. If the vote is to separate, I'll push it up the chain of command, if not, then it stays as is.

I was on the side of separating but you folks bring up very good points overall of keeping it as is. And as always, I will abide by what you folks decide.

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Hmmm...I gave this some thought and my vote would be to keep it together.
Why?.....Glad you asked. It's a global phone (starts singing We Are The World)....chime in if you feel me. We already have carrier threads.

If kept together it allows us to broaden our horizons and actually learn a little more from each other than we knew yesterday. Also, (without singing Kumbayah) at the end of the day, there isn't much reason to separate them. If the phone remains the same across all carriers we'll actually just continue building the Note community rather than dividing it.
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i voted to keep as it is, i enjoy reading how everyone is sharing the experience. By all means split the rooting if different methods etc. prevail, but keep the majority the same. It makes for pleasurable reading
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You sound like a staff member. oh wait, you were.

Good, good. I like this. If the vote is to separate, I'll push it up the chain of command, if not, then it stays as is.

I was on the side of separating but you folks bring up very good points overall of keeping it as is. And as always, I will abide by what you folks decide.

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If this guy ^^ is regulating over the Note 2 forum, there's no question I'd keep it the same...just to keep him busy...LOL bro.
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Hmmm...I gave this some thought and my vote would be to keep it together.
Why?.....Glad you asked. It's a global phone (starts singing We Are The World)....chime in if you feel me. We already have carrier threads.

If kept together it allows us to broaden our horizons and actually learn a little more from each other than we knew yesterday. Also, (without singing Kumbayah) at the end of the day, there isn't much reason to separate them. If the phone remains the same across all carriers we'll actually just continue building the Note community rather than dividing it.
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG you crack me up. I had not thought of including videos.
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Ok I voted finally, says the Old School chick.

I'm lovin you guys, no way in hell I'd wanna miss all the fun and insight; if it goes separate, I'd just have to hop all over the place for my knowledge and smiles!
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If you split it up I would say wait until we are closer to the US launch.
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No videos?? Didn't think?!??

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Ok I voted finally, says the Old School chick.

I'm lovin you guys, no way in hell I'd wanna miss all the fun and insight; if it goes separate, I'd just have to hop all over the place for my knowledge and smiles!
Comments like these say it all. This is what I had missed with the EVO community, for so long (but again, that was limited to Sprint customers). So, for those mods that remember how the EVO community was, even months prior to release...just imagine how great it'll be in here, except on a global scale!

And right on cue, I'm glad wyndslash chimed in cuz she's in the Philippines (right?)!

I think it just adds a much better dynamic to the interaction of all the Phandroid folks with No Provider-lines...LOL.
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Comments like these say it all. This is what I had missed with the EVO community, for so long (but again, that was limited to Sprint customers). So, for those mods that remember how the EVO community was, even months prior to release...just imagine how great it'll be in here, except on a global scale!

And right on cue, I'm glad wyndslash chimed in cuz she's in the Philippines (right?)!

I think it just adds a much better dynamic to the interaction of all the Phandroid folks with No Provider-lines...LOL.
This!^^

Not to mention... Provider lines change much more frequently now than they did in Evo times and prior. I get dizzy trying to keep up with Joe Blow hopping from Sprint to AT&T to Verizon, to T-Mobile, back to AT&T, then.. then.. you get my drift.
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And right on cue, I'm glad wyndslash chimed in cuz she's in the Philippines (right?)!

I think it just adds a much better dynamic to the interaction of all the Phandroid folks with No Provider-lines...LOL.
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This!^^

Not to mention... Provider lines change much more frequently now than they did in Evo times and prior. I get dizzy trying to keep up with Joe Blow hopping from Sprint to AT&T to Verizon, to T-Mobile, back to AT&T, then.. then.. you get my drift.
Yup...that's the other "pro" about keeping it together (at least the general, non-rooting, forum). Rather than debating about "which provider is better," I prefer just talking about the phone itself and what the phone can/can't do, regardless of provider.

I have to apologize in advance to the G-Note 2 bros. and sis' outside the US (since this reference is to an incident that happened in L.A., CA back in 1991), but in the words of Rodney King:
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International and US are using the same hardware and software right? Keep 'em the same for regular, split root up by carrier I say.
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Great, now I can't get that song out of my head.

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Also, (without singing Kumbayah) .
Arrgghh, another song in my head, stop it, stop the madness.

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Oh no you don't. Me work ahahahahahaha
I'll just hand it to the guides. muwhahahahaha

As for the comment of the old EVO section. yeah, the good ole days. But I feel this section is close too. But more on a International scale.

Speaking of which, I get the feeling that the consensus is to keep it as it is, which is okay by me, but the votes are tied at the moment. so strange.

TS out (trying to get these songs out of my head).
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Great, now I can't get that song out of my head.

Arrgghh, another song in my head, stop it, stop the madness.

Oh no you don't. Me work ahahahahahaha
I'll just hand it to the guides. muwhahahahaha

As for the comment of the old EVO section. yeah, the good ole days. But I feel this section is close too. But more on a International scale.

Speaking of which, I get the feeling that the consensus is to keep it as it is, which is okay by me, but the votes are tied at the moment. so strange.

TS out (trying to get these songs out of my head).
I got it, I got it!!!!! For those folks voting and posting using their Note 2s, their votes count TWICE since there is twice the real estate, 2 apps at once, 2 in the name, etc etc.

But wait, please only count votes twice if they are for keeping the forum together. Hehe

Hmmm.. multitasking on this phone is going to be awesome, I bet it can play Kumbayah and We Are The World at the same time.
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I got it, I got it!!!!! For those folks voting and posting using their Note 2s, their votes count TWICE since there is twice the real estate, 2 apps at once, 2 in the name, etc etc.

But wait, please only count votes twice if they are for keeping the forum together. Hehe

Hmmm.. multitasking on this phone is going to be awesome, I bet it can play Kumbayah and We Are The World at the same time.
Just to bring the references into 2012, while sticking with the world theme and also paying tribute to the Great Korean OEM of the Note 2...I'd say we'll all be rocking Gangnam Style with our multi-tasking skills!
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Just to bring the references into 2012, while sticking with the world theme and also paying tribute to the Great Korean OEM of the Note 2...I'd say we'll all be rocking Gangnam Style with our multi-tasking skills!
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Giving you props for this, without a doubt... great reference, world theme, makes you get up and get - Gangnam style, of course - and Korean to boot!

But didja hafta quote me and insinuate I'm old and washed up? LOL
Totally kidding, no offense at all.
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Giving you props for this, without a doubt... great reference, world theme, makes you get up and get - Gangnam style, of course - and Korean to boot!

But didja hafta quote me and insinuate I'm old and washed up? LOL
Totally kidding, no offense at all.
Aww, my bad. Definitely didn't mean it like that.

As for the Korean corrolation and tribute, it served a dual purpose because I gotta give support and give props when Asian Americans or Asians have a successful crossover to US popularity. Entertainment in the US is a tough business.

You know, I did fail a bit because I should have kept the Android theme with Eric Schmidt's Gangnam Style
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I vote as-is with separated root forums...at least both versions should have typical UI and apks enough so that keeping them together would provide greater support should certain UI/APK issues occur...

Plus it'll be nice having a TRUE global device that I can finally get all these great accessories Europe and Asia always seem overburdened by...and I'd be more than happy to help lighten the load
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currently trying to tweet my way to win a Note 2 giveaway by my carrier...but I'm running out of reasons to give as to why i deserve to win

i sound so desperate now, lol.
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Speaking of which, I get the feeling that the consensus is to keep it as it is, which is okay by me, but the votes are tied at the moment. so strange.

TS out (trying to get these songs out of my head).
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Just to bring the references into 2012, while sticking with the world theme and also paying tribute to the Great Korean OEM of the Note 2...I'd say we'll all be rocking Gangnam Style with our multi-tasking skills!
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currently trying to tweet my way to win a Note 2 giveaway by my carrier...but I'm running out of reasons to give as to why i deserve to win

i sound so desperate now, lol.
Tweeting takes too long. Cut out the middleman. LOL!!
Go on FB to Samsung's page. Ask them to send you one and proceed to tell them how you've spent your entire life filling your house full of Samsung products like the guy who got a custom GS3.
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I voted to keep it as it is for the reasons far more eloquently expressed by previous contributors than I could do.

That said, I sometimes find that in trying to grapple with someone’s problem or seeking out any commonality in multiple posts of similar problems, it would help considerably if one knew their broad location and / or the phone’s OS version. I am sure this aspect will become more relevant with the release of the USA version as well as the introduction of 4G (LTE) in the UK.

So, is it somehow possible to ‘encourage’ new subscribers to give that information and for long time subscribers to update their profile occasionally?

(After all, if someone is really chary of revealing their location they can easily give a very broad geographical area or even obscure abbreviations as some do! )
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Ok, so far the consensus in this thread is to keep one main forum and have separate root sections for the Note 2. But I now ask if we need separate root sections? I do not know if the current root process is for all versions or just the international version. (I'll check with other places)

I am hoping that the accessories are universal since there isn't any difference in size or shape among the different versions.

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If Verizon does here what they did with the SGS3 or what ATT did to the One X... you may want separate forums. I don't know though.
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wow..i keep going back and forth..

there are great points to both sides of this debate.
but for sure.. to keep the root sections separate.
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Which was?
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Just send me a pm and I'll change your vote. But don't make it a habit.

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no.. i want to vote for both... :P
because they both sound right.
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Should we separate forums for the different S3-versions?

FYI...Here is what we S3 folks were told on this topic.
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I would like to see them separated.

Why?

If this is anything like the Galaxy Nexus and the VZW / Sprint Galaxy Nexus section then we'll see US LTE variants having completely different issues than the GSM one. (Don't get me started on that...)

For many users that are new to Android it could be tough differentiating the various models like, GSM, TMo, Sprint, Verizon, etc.

To keep this as simple as possible and user friendly for users switching from other operating systems or to those that are completely new to smart phones, we should separate it.


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I would like to see them separated.

Why?

If this is anything like the Galaxy Nexus and the VZW / Sprint Galaxy Nexus section then we'll see US LTE variants having completely different issues than the GSM one. (Don't get me started on that...)

For many users that are new to Android it could be tough differentiating the various models like, GSM, TMo, Sprint, Verizon, etc.

To keep this as simple as possible and user friendly for users switching from other operating systems or to those that are completely new to smart phones, we should separate it.


That's just my opinion.
So, what would be the difference between having separate threads (discussing LTE issues) vs. completely separate forums?

Hmmm...If a thread is started that states a provider in the thread title because a person has a specific question regarding that particular model, how would that get confusing?

By the logic of separating the forums, that would look like this:
- ATT
- Verizon
- T-mobile
- Sprint
- UK (International)
- Korean/Asian (International)
- Europe Outside UK (International)

So, that's 7 forums (based on the different versions I can recall). And how many people would there really be posting in all of those separate forums?

If there are general questions about the Wallpaper size or How to use Multi-tasking / pop-up video or Where to purchase batteries or accessories...All of those can be shared with all the different versions, without any hiccups.

And on top of that, once TS puts the FAQ sticky thread up, we can even add specific threads for those different versions. I neither see where the problem would be nor do I see any confusion happening. If someone is having an issue that might be specific to their carrier, but they're not sure, all they have to do is indicate that info on the Title of the thread that they create. What's better, having 1/8 of the room seeing the thread and being able to answer or give their perspective on what the problem might be or a completely full room, where people that might not even be on the same provider might have a solution that proves that the issue isn't due to the carrier, but due to user error or general OS issue or general UI issue. IMO, the general functionalities and physical attributes of the phone far outweigh the differences from provider to provider.
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.....If someone is having an issue that might be specific to their carrier, but they're not sure, all they have to do is indicate that info on the Title of the thread that they create. What's better, having 1/8 of the room seeing the thread and being able to answer or give their perspective on what the problem might be or a completely full room, where people that might not even be on the same provider might have a solution that proves that the issue isn't due to the carrier, but due to user error or general OS issue or general UI issue. IMO, the general functionalities and physical attributes of the phone far outweigh the differences from provider to provider.
I agree with you but I have to add from personal experience.

I cant count the number of threads/forums I'm on in which someone states they're having an issue with a device which they assume is "carrier" related. 25-100 post will appear in that thread all saying they're having the same problem with the same carrier. Then here comes me who is NOT on that particular carrier but having the same problem nonetheless.

I went on and on saying it's not carrier related; even providing the exact details related to my issue and instead of getting help (and I use the word loosely) I was deemed a troll.....me? a troll??!! because I wasn't poster 101 with a carrier related problem.

THIS is why I hate the same device being divided up into a gazillion different forums.
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I agree with you but I have to add from personal experience.

I cant count the number of threads/forums I'm on in which someone states they're having an issue with a device which they assume is "carrier" related. 25-100 post will appear in that thread all saying they're having the same problem with the same carrier. Then here comes me who is NOT on that particular carrier but having the same problem nonetheless.

I went on and on saying it's not carrier related; even providing the exact details related to my issue and instead of getting help (and I use the word loosely) I was deemed a troll.....me? a troll??!! because I wasn't poster 101 with a carrier related problem.

THIS is why I hate the same device being divided up into a gazillion different forums.
Sounds to me like the divided forums caused your not getting help to your issue, more-so than the actual problem itself.

I think the Note 2 has an opportunity to change the stigma that phones have to be separated by carrier. Samsung has afforded customers the luxury of forcing the carriers to all carry the same phones, including physical dimensions, in order to create an even better user experience for all.

I'm more than happy to oblige with Samsung's ultimate goal. I'd rather have multiple people to chime in on a SGNote2 thread, rather than 1 or 2.

And there's NO way I want to hop through 7 different sub-forums just to see if there are any other accessories out in the world that I might just like. And especially if one of the providers is having some sort of crazy sale for accessories connected to the device. Why not share that with the entire community, rather than just the sub-forum. An example of that...Verizon recently had a "close-out" sale on the Lapdock 100 compatible with Motorola devices last year. Had someone not seen a thread randomly, none of the Photon members would've known about that sale and tried to get in on the sale when it was available. And Motorola doesn't even have the same exact phones, like many of us are going to be able to experience with the Note 2.
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sounds to me like the divided forums caused your not getting help to your issue, more-so than the actual problem itself.

i think the note 2 has an opportunity to change the stigma that phones have to be separated by carrier. Samsung has afforded customers the luxury of forcing the carriers to all carry the same phones, including physical dimensions, in order to create an even better user experience for all.

I'm more than happy to oblige with samsung's ultimate goal. i'd rather have multiple people to chime in on a sgnote2 thread, rather than 1 or 2.

and there's no way i want to hop through 7 different sub-forums just to see if there are any other accessories out in the world that i might just like. And especially if one of the providers is having some sort of crazy sale for accessories connected to the device. Why not share that with the entire community, rather than just the sub-forum. an example of that...verizon recently had a "close-out" sale on the lapdock 100 compatible with motorola devices last year. Had someone not seen a thread randomly, none of the photon members would've known about that sale and tried to get in on the sale when it was available. And motorola doesn't even have the same exact phones, like many of us are going to be able to experience with the note 2.
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