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Old October 22nd, 2012, 10:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all, so firstly for those who do not know....the Galaxy Note 2 has 4 extra pins visible to you if you take the back cover off. You wil see that two of these pins make contact with the back cover (this is for NFC) and for the other two near the battery...these are available for wireless induction charging.

The question I have is... does anyone know when the special back covers with the induction coils built in are going to be released? along with the mat needed? I quiet fancy charging my Note 2 wirelessly instead of having to plug it in, especially if it is true that it can charge over a distance of a few feet.

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Oh... Could it charge with a case still on it? That whole concept amazes me...
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The Note 2 charges so slowly on the USB 3.0 port of my PC (about 1% in 20 minutes) that USB charging is no longer really possible. I can't see how wireless charging will work either?
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I think Samsung are being as clear as mud about the whole wireless chargin thing. It was meant to be released in Sept. Something tells me that there has been a f**k up at Samsung HQ!
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These induction chargers can't be, unless something has changed, used to charge devices at distance. They need to be in contact with a mat or whatever charging device there is. And based off other induction chargers I've used, they will almost always charge slower then charging through a wall outlet, possibly even slower then charging through your USB port.

That said, if an OEM wireless/induction charger becomes available, I'll probably get one just out of convenience. Otherwise, I'll probably just stick to plugging it in to charge it up.

As for back cases with these contacts built in, assuming the wireless charging thing actually in functional, it probably won't be too long before we start seeing back cases being sold either on eBay or any of the numerous chinese accessories websites there are.
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These induction chargers can't be, unless something has changed, used to charge devices at distance. They need to be in contact with a mat or whatever charging device there is. And based off other induction chargers I've used, they will almost always charge slower then charging through a wall outlet, possibly even slower then charging through your USB port.

That said, if an OEM wireless/induction charger becomes available, I'll probably get one just out of convenience. Otherwise, I'll probably just stick to plugging it in to charge it up.

As for back cases with these contacts built in, assuming the wireless charging thing actually in functional, it probably won't be too long before we start seeing back cases being sold either on eBay or any of the numerous chinese accessories websites there are.
Check YouTube - there are videos of the note 1 with wireless charging. And I believe they recently released these kits for the SIII.
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Anyone heard of an update on this? I haven't heard a peep.
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Ive got the AT&T Note2

And all the Palm Pre Touchstone Wireless bits for the mod.

But may not be able to find time to do the mod for a few more days.
Good news, The AT&T Note2 does have the Wireless Charge pins (just like international version)
But there is a rumor the AT&T firmware may have blocked the Wireless Charge function.
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But there is a rumor the AT&T firmware may have blocked the Wireless Charge function.
Stay tuned.
What the EFF. That would be so messed up...why??? I'll hold on my tongue...for now. Thanks elantric - interested to see what you are able to find out.
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I would only get it if it was a wireless car dock. I used to run my palm pre on the charging base in my car and that was super convenient. The question is can/will the induction charging keep up with the note 2 discharge rate while on nav for example.
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Google search "Wiki Galaxy Note 2"
The Wikipedia sites covers which carrier blocks specific features
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note_II
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Depending on the models, some of Galaxy Note II (GT-N7100) have the two optional charging pins on the back side of device, just right of the battery holder, that can be used for wireless charging with the modified back cover. Galaxy Note II displays the notification message built in the firmware when it is charged wirelessly. SCH-L900 doesn't have the pins. SGH-T889 has the pins, but it can't be charged with these optional charging pins.[26][27]
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Hopefully they use the same Qi standard as the Nexus 4 cause down the line I'm hoping to have both.
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But there is a rumor the AT&T firmware may have blocked the Wireless Charge function.
Stay tuned.
Never fear - I installed a touchstone mod Thursday when my Note 2 arrived on the doorstep. It worked first try and has worked without any trouble since. When on the touchstone base it even pops up a dialog saying that it is wirelessly charging. Works great in the car too. Could always be faster but that's been the case with touchstone charging on all phones - it's just exaggerated by the size of this battery.

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The Note 2 charges so slowly on the USB 3.0 port of my PC (about 1% in 20 minutes) that USB charging is no longer really possible. I can't see how wireless charging will work either?
USB charges at 500mAh. That's super slow. Modern phones charge at 2.1amps now. Always charge from an AC outlet.

(For reference the ORIGINAL Droid charged at 500maH lol.)
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I've charged from the USB with previous phones including the GS2 and GS3 without issue but the GN2 is the first phone where this isn't possible. I'm sure a lot of uninformed punters will RMA the phone or post here thinking there is something wrong with it.
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It's possible...you're just going to have the phone drain faster than it charges.

The bigger screen, bigger battery and higher processors draw more current.
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Why would the phone drain faster than it charged if I didn't use it and simply left it charging on USB?
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Why would the phone drain faster than it charged if I didn't use it and simply left it charging on USB?
I think he's saying that the power just to have the phone on and idle is greater than other phones, and perhaps greater than the positive charge that is provided via USB.
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I think he's saying that the power just to have the phone on and idle is greater than other phones, and perhaps greater than the positive charge that is provided via USB.
Your phone has a certain charging rate, (it can charge 500 via USB, that's a limitation of the charging cable, you can confirm this by going to the settings, and then battery. If it says USB you'll know.)

So 500mAh...that's roughly 3x slower a charge than on 2.1 from an AC outlet. Some phones, unless you use their specific charger can sometimes not be recognized by the phone and charge slower even on AC. (You can get around this buy purchasing cables that have the data leads on them shorted out, so it's ALWAYS recognized as an AC source, the only downside is you couldn't use that cable for USB connection to the computer.)

Anyways, the long and short of it really is that as phones have larger capacities, larger screens and consume more power, the older lower amperage charging rates may not be enough to charge the phone WHILE using. (Usually if you had things like tethering, bluetooth, wifi hotspot, video streaming or GPS on)
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But is that charging rate USB 2 or 3? 3 charges faster than 2 surely?
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Charging rates between USB are the same. From what I understand only data rates changed from USB 2.0 to the 3.0 spec.
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Google "does usb 3 charge faster than usb 2" result http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18396647
Yes, USB 3.0 is rated at 900mA as opposed to USB 2.0 at 500mA .
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Ah so a very modest bump,. In a world of 2amp devices now that's still not much, we can assume AC will charge twice as fast then. (With the Note 2 that could be a difference of 2-3 hours)
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500 to 900 is a "modest bump" ? Would you rather be paid 500 a week or 900? Lolz
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In the world of amperage and electrical engineering, (and speaking as one as well lol) it is.
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So nearly twice the speed is a "modest bump"? Goodness me, I learn something every day.
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Anybody willing to guinea pig? I'm so tempted, but with the holidays coming up, I need to calm down on the accessories purchasing:

Amazon.com: OEM Palm Touchstone Wireless Charge Dock+Grey Battery Door+Car Charger for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 N7100: Electronics

http://www.amazon.com/OEM-Touchstone-Wireless-Battery-Charger/dp/B009Z5WEIW/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353378436&sr =1-4&keywords=galaxy+note+2

Thing is, I have the International Note 2 that I could so try this on, but just so hesitant to spend that much.
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Anybody willing to guinea pig? I'm so tempted, but with the holidays coming up, I need to calm down on the accessories purchasing:

Amazon.com: OEM Palm Touchstone Wireless Charge Dock+Grey Battery Door+Car Charger for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 N7100: Electronics

Amazon.com: OEM Palm Touchstone Wireless Charge Dock+White Battery Door+Car Charger for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 N7100: Electronics

Thing is, I have the International Note 2 that I could so try this on, but just so hesitant to spend that much.
Try it. You can always return it if it doesn't work.
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u first! ...lol
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LOL!!! To be honest, if I hadn't already gotten an extra battery I'd consider this. I probably would be that guinea pig since there's not one review about it on Amazon.
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Anybody willing to guinea pig? I'm so tempted, but with the holidays coming up, I need to calm down on the accessories purchasing:

Amazon.com: OEM Palm Touchstone Wireless Charge Dock+Grey Battery Door+Car Charger for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 N7100: Electronics

http://www.amazon.com/OEM-Touchstone-Wireless-Battery-Charger/dp/B009Z5WEIW/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353378436&sr =1-4&keywords=galaxy+note+2

Thing is, I have the International Note 2 that I could so try this on, but just so hesitant to spend that much.
Where does tge phone sit? I thought there was a mat that the phone rested on?
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LOL!!! To be honest, if I hadn't already gotten an extra battery I'd consider this. I probably would be that guinea pig since there's not one review about it on Amazon.
Yeah, I'm kinda in the same boat. I already have the 2 battery kits I purchased from Samsung. And since my International phone sits in airplane mode, on standby most of the day and mainly gets used in the car, I've only had to swap out the battery on the weekend, but that thing lasts a long time just sitting in standby/airplane mode.

My car charger became irrelevant all of a sudden with 2 extra batteries accessible at all times, coupled with them all being 3100mah. I've never been this unafraid to use the phone as much as I needed, for fear that I wouldn't have a phone to use in the event of an emergency. This phone has seriously exceeded my expectations.
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Where does tge phone sit? I thought there was a mat that the phone rested on?
That thing that says "Palm" on it is the "mat" it sits on (but it's not a mat, it's a platform).
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Details on Palm Pre Wireless charge Mod!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1951493

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1951493
Nice! I might just do this on my international Note 2. Cool that it works on Sprint one, with some modification.

Only thing is, I can't find any wireless charging car docks for the palm pre (but haven't really searched yet).
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http://gigaom.com/mobile/homebrew-car-mount-for-palm-pre-using-touchstone-charger/


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Too bad the details on his setup aren't available anymore, but that is pretty awesome. Although, I imagine that his touchstone setup involved magnets of some sort (to hold the phone in place...like that other car mount that someone had posted as a car mount option), which wouldn't be an option for me.
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Too bad the details on his setup aren't available anymore, but that is pretty awesome. Although, I imagine that his touchstone setup involved magnets of some sort (to hold the phone in place...like that other car mount that someone had posted as a car mount option), which wouldn't be an option for me.
Wouldn't that work if you glued the Touchstone charging unit to the back of a holster?
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That thing that says "Palm" on it is the "mat" it sits on (but it's not a mat, it's a platform).
Thank man. Is it just me or does the setup look a little strange? I tend to prefer the square mat setup.
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Wouldn't that work if you glued the Touchstone charging unit to the back of a holster?
I honestly don't know because I don't even know if the Touchstone charger is magnetized already. If that's the case, I may not try the mod.
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Thank man. Is it just me or does the setup look a little strange? I tend to prefer the square mat setup.
It's just you...LOL. That's just what Palm came up with for the Palm Pre (and I think the Palm Pixi). I have no clue why it's not flat or whatever, but it is what it is. This is different than Powermat. From a brief search, they use different RFID to charge wirelessly.
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my setup, dont have the s3 anymore.

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I'm so hesitant on a case just yet...I mean I really would like even just a jelly one (since I use the car mount that puts a metal disc on the back, and without a case it will pull off the battery door when you pull it off the mount lol) but I want to see how my battery life on LTE is...if it sucks I'll have to get a Seidio battery and then I'm stuck basically with one case from them that will fit.
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my setup, dont have the s3 anymore.

Can you confirm because I've never really heard it before...but the inductive chargers charge slower right?

The only benefit I could see is that you wouldn't wear out the microUSB port or bend anything.
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Can you confirm because I've never really heard it before...but the inductive chargers charge slower right?

The only benefit I could see is that you wouldn't wear out the microUSB port or bend anything.

yes it's slower than the USB/adapter
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Just switched to HTC DNA with integrated wireless charging. I purchased the Nokia Wireless charger and works fine so far.

Does anyone know of an angled charging station which uses the Wireless charging instead of having to dock it? I would like to have it sitting upright while charging. Not sure if the Palm one would be sufficient.
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Just switched to HTC DNA with integrated wireless charging. I purchased the Nokia Wireless charger and works fine so far.

Does anyone know of an angled charging station which uses the Wireless charging instead of having to dock it? I would like to have it sitting upright while charging. Not sure if the Palm one would be sufficient.

the palm one does not work, I know there are some in korea that does what you want.
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For those that do the wireless charging mod, but don't want to use the Palm charger, here's a new article that Chris Chavez just posted up with a LG charging pad that lies flat (and mention of Energizer making a charging pad also):

Hands-on: Nexus 4 wireless charging [VIDEO]
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Hmmm so there's Qi wireless charging for the Note 2...
If only there was a way to get it to work with the Power Matters Alliance gear, that way I could charge my phone at Starbucks.
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