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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Will the N3 be able to use SD cards with UHS-1?

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Will the N3 be able to use SD cards with UHS-1?
Is this a trick question? I've been using a 64gb microSD with UHS-1, since I owned my Motorola Photon.
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Yes.

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Either it's a trick question or my reading comprehension just evaporated
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How is it a trick question?

Ultra high speed (as far as I know) data transfer doesn't work unless the device is compatible. So if its not it wont benefit by the UHS data transfer. You can use UHS in the N3 but if its not UHS compatible you wont' benefit from using that particular standard of card.

Think this makes sense...!

The reason I am asking is that there are class 10 cards available both with and without it. The cost difference is like a , so just interested to know whether it works with the UHS standard.
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I sure hope it's compatible because I just ordered a 64 GB UHS card. I'll find out in about 20 days
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How is it a trick question?

Ultra high speed (as far as I know) data transfer doesn't work unless the device is compatible. So if its not it wont benefit by the UHS data transfer. You can use UHS in the N3 but if its not UHS compatible you wont' benefit from using that particular standard of card.

Think this makes sense...!

The reason I am asking is that there are class 10 cards available both with and without it. The cost difference is like a , so just interested to know whether it works with the UHS standard.
Sorry, just realized you're from the UK, so my mention of the Photon probably meant nothing to you.

The Motorola Photon was the first motorola superphone (Android) offered on Sprint. That was 2 years ago and it was stuck on Gingerbread. I had a 64gb UHS-1 card in that phone before and it worked perfectly. All that was required was formatting the card in the phone.

I know there are some blogs mentioning compatibility issues, but I think it's more a misnomer than anything.
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I sure hope it's compatible because I just ordered a 64 GB UHS card. I'll find out in about 20 days

You said twenty days (giggling like a school girl). I'm so pumped! :-)

We need an official countdown.
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You said twenty days (giggling like a school girl). I'm so pumped! :-)

We need an official countdown.
Wish I could do a countdown for Sprint!...LOL. I hope the holdup is for a really, really good reason.
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Wish I could do a countdown for Sprint!...LOL. I hope the holdup is for a really, really good reason.

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I apologize, I'm not in the Sprint loop. What is the date for you? Was there a delay? I assumed Verizon has the latest release date, because that's how they roll. Thanks.
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No clue. There was one article that came out today, trying to throw out rumors about their releasing on October 2 as well, but Sprint has been absolutely silent.

Part of me wonders if it was waiting to release the iPhones first (tomorrow), prior to giving any definitive information on the Note 3.

Normally, Verizon would be the latest, but this year Sprint seems to be. And it's so weird because of how popular the Note 2 was on Sprint, after it released.
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You said twenty days (giggling like a school girl). I'm so pumped! :-)

We need an official countdown.
Mine is four days.
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I am painfully jealous, lol
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Should I go and get it Tuesday evening and suffer the ghastly evening traffic and the "launch party" at the Samsung Centre or should I just fetch it Wednesday morning?
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Should I go and get it Tuesday evening and suffer the ghastly evening traffic and the "launch party" at the Samsung Centre or should I just fetch it Wednesday morning?

Wednesday morning - less hassle. Simon, while your there, can you find out if and when the pink Note will be available.Thank you.
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Wednesday morning - less hassle. Simon, while your there, can you find out if and when the pink Note will be available.Thank you.
I'll make a note of it on my list
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Should I go and get it Tuesday evening and suffer the ghastly evening traffic and the "launch party" at the Samsung Centre or should I just fetch it Wednesday morning?
Not a chance in the world you'd be able to stop me from getting it Tuesday night. Being at home, it would be tearing me apart knowing my device is just sitting there in all its glory, dying to be played with. I wouldn't sleep well waiting for Wednesday morning. It would be like Christmas Eve knowing "Santa" already brought your stuff and you aren't allowed to go downstairs yet. Yes, it is the first grade teacher in me (same mentality) I would not be able to wait.
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Not a chance in the world you'd be able to stop me from getting it Tuesday night. Being at home, it would be tearing me apart knowing my device is just sitting there in all its glory, dying to be played with. I wouldn't sleep well waiting for Wednesday morning. It would be like Christmas Eve knowing "Santa" already brought your stuff and you aren't allowed to go downstairs yet. Yes, it is the first grade teacher in me (same mentality) I would not be able to wait.
Yes well it would still have to charge. How long do these devices take to charge? And what's the battery technology like? Is it better to do a full charge/deep-discharge cycle first?
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Yes well it would still have to charge. How long do these devices take to charge? And what's the battery technology like? Is it better to do a full charge/deep-discharge cycle first?
I have always played with my device as soon as I get it, then give it a full charge. And I still get good life out of my 3 batteries (I swap them out as soon as I'm out of juice.) To get a full charge you need only a couple of hours.
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I will pick mine up from cpw store in town whenever it comes in assuming weds or Thursday. I have the note 2 which I'm happy with so not wetting myself over this upgrade but still looking forward to it all the same.
As for batteries they are partially charged so I have a play and get the restores going and then stick it on charge while its installing apps etc.
Batteries are pretty bullet proof nowadays but I've never been one to faff around with magical mystical charging cycles. Never had any problems either.
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There is a FedEx employee over on XDA, who apparently has a good reputation, saying the Verizon version is shipping out 9/29.

That's a Sunday, but people apparently have reason to believe him. I'm pretty new over there so I don't know.

But I do pin a lot of hope on the fact that Verizon says it will ship BY 10/10.

So shipping before is certainly possible.


http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2450878
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There is a FedEx employee over on XDA, who apparently has a good reputation, saying the Verizon version is shipping out 9/29.

That's a Sunday, but people apparently have reason to believe him. I'm pretty new over there so I don't know.

But I do pin a lot of hope on the fact that Verizon says it will ship BY 10/10.

So shipping before is certainly possible.


http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2450878

Oh, that would be such a nice turn of events!
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LOL...That is the Droid you are looking for.
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…get the restores going…
I need this explaining.

And I don't think the deep discharge cycles that certainly used to be advisable with some fairly recent battery technology were at all mystical. Especially, that first one. I was just wondering if it was still advisable.

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I need this explaining.

And I don't think the deep discharge cycles that certainly used to be advisable with some fairly recent battery technology were at all mystical. Especially, that first one. I was just wondering if it was still advisable.

Here's a very good reference for battery care.

Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries

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Here's a very good reference for battery care.

Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries
Thanks. That was very interesting.

And I've just checked and Apple is STILL recommending one deep discharge/charge cycle a month for its computers (one of which I'm typing this on). [I may have mentioned I have used only  computers since 1983 but decided firmly not to get an iPhone.]
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Thanks. That was very interesting.

And I've just checked and Apple is STILL recommending one deep discharge/charge cycle a month for its computers (one of which I'm typing this on). [I may have mentioned I have used only  computers since 1983 but decided firmly not to get an iPhone.]
I too have been using Apple computers for years. Although I was against the idea of a captive battery in the newer MBP models, I must say I've always had great service from them. In fact they've routinely exceeded the number of cycles they're rated for. The 15" MBP Retina I'm currently using runs well within range when doing resource intense modeling and rendering. Not bad considering its ridiculously thin.
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I need this explaining.

And I don't think the deep discharge cycles that certainly used to be advisable with some fairly recent battery technology were at all mystical. Especially, that first one. I was just wondering if it was still advisable.

There were articles going round up to the last couple of years that suggested pulling the battery off charge then further charging to be done to give it a boost. I don't remember the finer details but all I know is I've never mucked about with any of these charging regimes and never suffered from below average battery usage.
The latest batteries don't have the memory effect so suffer even less battery degradation. However after 12 months usage put a new one in and see the difference!
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I don't think trying to max charge this sort of battery technology is a terribly good idea and it wasn't what I was asking.
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The OP asked if the N3 would support the UHS-1 class 10 transfer rates. Anybody know? What about the N2 or GS4 do they?

Anybody know or understand how two microsd cards that are both class 10 and UHS-1 can have vastly different speeds? I have a sandisk ultra that claims 30MB/s while in another post someone referred to a Samsung pro model that is 70MB/s.

Amazon.com: Samsung Electronics 64GB Pro microSDXC Extreme Speed (UHS-1) Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MGCGB/AM): Computers & Accessories

Amazon.com: SanDisk Ultra 64 GB MicroSDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Memory Card with Adapter (SDSDQU-064G-AFFP-A): Electronics

If the note 3 does support the uhs-1 and class 10 speeds then I might just switch to the Samsung card. But still don't understand the speed difference in those two brands above
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I need this explaining.

And I don't think the deep discharge cycles that certainly used to be advisable with some fairly recent battery technology were at all mystical. Especially, that first one. I was just wondering if it was still advisable.

I meant I'll take the latest back up from my N2 and restore it in my n3. Nova settings will be copied over so I dont have to start from scratch and all my apps will be installed automatically from my backup pro.
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The OP asked if the N3 would support the UHS-1 class 10 transfer rates. Anybody know? What about the N2 or GS4 do they?

Anybody know or understand how two microsd cards that are both class 10 and UHS-1 can have vastly different speeds? I have a sandisk ultra that claims 30MB/s while in another post someone referred to a Samsung pro model that is 70MB/s.

Amazon.com: Samsung Electronics 64GB Pro microSDXC Extreme Speed (UHS-1) Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MGCGB/AM): Computers & Accessories

Amazon.com: SanDisk Ultra 64 GB MicroSDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Memory Card with Adapter (SDSDQU-064G-AFFP-A): Electronics

If the note 3 does support the uhs-1 and class 10 speeds then I might just switch to the Samsung card. But still don't understand the speed difference in those two brands above
kinda my point....if UHS-1 compatibility in the N3 is present then saving to the card will be quicker than a non UHS-1 compatible device. The price difference between uhs-1 and non uhs-1 cards is negligible so cost wasnt my concern and the uhs-1 cards can be used at normal speeds in a non compatible device...was just wondering whether the n3 is uhs-1 compatible.
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I have been advised to use Samsung cards in the Note 3. I had a SanDisk card in my OG Droid and it died on me. The Note 3 manual says:

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At least by using a Samsung card, if it does die on you then they will have a harder time explaining themselves to you. I bought the Samsung one. But always periodically backup up vital data to the PC in case of card failure
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To be fair I wouldn't expect Samsung to state anything else. And they also say remove your cards before returning for any warranty work anyway.
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Sure, no doubt that Samsung could be implying that... but the manual stops short of saying "we recommend using only original Samsung memory cards" or something to that effect.

Any card can go bad, and of course I would never send my card in with the phone for warranty work. Maybe I'm reading into it, but I'm rolling the dice on the Samsung card being far more "compatible" than the SanDisk card.
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I have the following sandisk nearly 8 months in the note 2 without any problem.
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1) At least by using a Samsung card, if it does die on you then they will have a harder time explaining themselves to you. I bought the Samsung one.

2) But always periodically backup up vital data to the PC in case of card failure
1> Precisely, some phones are like Apple Computers, in regards to being somewhat sensitive to memory chips. Fifteen years of Apple laptops have taught me that they work best with Samsung memory. We have well over twenty Android users at work, most with either SGS 3, SGS 4, or Note 2 models. The favorite card is Samsung.

2> As far as I'm concerned nothing beats daily backups to my server. Especially since basic flash chips like in our phones or USB flash drives do fail with zero warning. We all have lots of time and effort invested in our work, therefore keeping a good backup routine is priceless.
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I have the following sandisk nearly 8 months in the note 2 without any problem.
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That's the problem with SD cards: they give out with little to no warning. I had a great 32 GB card in my OG Droid for a long time and then - one day - it was just dead. All that data was shot. Fortunately, I had made a backup shortly before, so I really didn't lose that much.
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Fortunately, I had made a backup shortly before, so I really didn't lose that much.
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Would this be the one to get?
Amazon.com: Samsung Electronics 64GB Pro microSDXC Extreme Speed (UHS-1) Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MGCGB/AM): Computers & Accessories
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It's the one I got. I'll let you know.
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It's the one I got. I'll let you know.
Too late. Just ordered it.



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Actually, I see that some of the reviews mention it working fine with the Note 2, so I'm not too worried. I just hope that it's as fast as it says it is.
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I just hope that it's as fast as it says it is.
Me too: mine's sitting here waiting on a phone to go into!
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Me too: mine's sitting here waiting on a phone to go into!
Mine is is in the Note 3 - on the basis of advice here in an earlier thread (What 64 GB microSD for Note 3?) - so far, so good.
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does anyone have an N2 or GS4? do they have UHS-1 capability to do the higher speeds? Anyone know if its marketing gimmic that the samsung says its uhs-1 is 70mb/s while a sanddisk ultra also a uhs-1 class 10 only lists 30mb/s?
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does anyone have an N2 or GS4? do they have UHS-1 capability to do the higher speeds? Anyone know if its marketing gimmic that the samsung says its uhs-1 is 70mb/s while a sanddisk ultra also a uhs-1 class 10 only lists 30mb/s?
Already mentioned earlier in this thread. I have a UHS-1 Class 10 card in my Note 2 since day 1. Used it in my Motorola Photon prior to that. No issues.

As for higher speeds? I never noticed much of a difference quite honestly. With all the talk, it still takes forever to transfer over a lot of data at once. When transferring bits of data at a time, speed is pretty good and similar to a pc's HDD at standard speeds.
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Already mentioned earlier in this thread. I have a UHS-1 Class 10 card in my Note 2 since day 1. Used it in my Motorola Photon prior to that. No issues.

As for higher speeds? I never noticed much of a difference quite honestly. With all the talk, it still takes forever to transfer over a lot of data at once. When transferring bits of data at a time, speed is pretty good and similar to a pc's HDD at standard speeds.
well I expected it to function yes. thanks for replying though. Its the higher speed versus standard microSD that i'm asking. There are ways to benchmark that, I need to dig further I guess.
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Th GS4 does not fully support the UHS-1 speed it seems.
Sandisk Extreme microSDXC UHS-I 64GB Memory Card Review - Page 3 of 4 - Legit ReviewsSpeed Testing in the Samsung Galaxy S4

Not sure about the N3. I have an sandisk ultra (not sure which is better the ultra or the extreme. both are UHS-1) Maybe once my N3 comes in I will try to run a benchmark for y'all.
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The EXTREME is rated faster than the ULTRA, check page 4 of the link you posted.
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The EXTREME is rated faster than the ULTRA, check page 4 of the link you posted.
Right-O Kolio. I found that after I posted the link, but didn't have time to come back. Now I am trying to figure if getting the extreme is worth the price. The Samsung pro is claimed to be almost as fast, but with the price of the ultra. Of course NONE of it matters if the faster uhs-1 speeds are taken advantage of
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