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Old April 30th, 2010, 01:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Samsung software updates

Hey guys! Amazing phone, no doubt!
I am still undecided between Desire and Galaxy S. I believe HTC will keep sending updates for Desire, but what about Samsung?
They don't have a great reputation in this field. Do they?
Does anyone of you has any info regarding their plans for updates, i.e. newer android versions?
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desire is not even in the same league! lol

i would think they would have updates as its android not their usual rubbish.

and theres always rooting.
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Maybe Desire isn't in the same league but I am certain that HTC will improve its software and keep my phone up to date. 'Cos that's what I am willing to pay for, product and good service as a one package. And I'm still not convinced that Samsung will care about consumers and keep their phones' software up to date after they get their money.
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Maybe Desire isn't in the same league but I am certain that HTC will improve its software and keep my phone up to date. 'Cos that's what I am willing to pay for, product and good service as a one package. And I'm still not convinced that Samsung will care about consumers and keep their phones' software up to date after they get their money.

yes htc are good i have had them well before android came along however i think now that samsung are using android in 50% of their phones, that should change especially as they need to do little work to it. even if they dont it can be rooted or like most ppl i will just upgrade the phone after 18 months or so! and would rather have the best device in that time.
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It is true HTC do have a good support service and listen to their user base.
I recently campaigned an article and topic in a different forum on the HTC HD2's camera quality.
I had many... many communication talks with the HTC support forwarding a list of names of users and their phone software/ROM details who had the issue.
Within weeks their suuport teams had worked on the problem and issued a ROM Fix on their site.

In other words no matter what phone you purchase it's no good if there is no after sales support.
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It is true HTC do have a good support service and listen to their user base.
I recently campaigned an article and topic in a different forum on the HTC HD2's camera quality.
I had many... many communication talks with the HTC support forwarding a list of names of users and their phone software/ROM details who had the issue.
Within weeks their suuport teams had worked on the problem and issued a ROM Fix on their site.

In other words no matter what phone you purchase it's no good if there is no after sales support.

i wouldnt buy a fone if there are major issues with it.
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Im also wondering how good samsung are with their software updates as the galaxy S might me my first samsung and andriod
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I would'nt hold your breath when it comes to Samsung and Software Updates, In my experience they are just as bad or maybe a tad worse then SE and look how long SE is taking to update to 2.1 on the X10 (which i brought). And Touchwiz 3 looks even more intergrated than SE's UX (what ever its called).

The galaxy looks like a nice phone but not enough to even make me ditch the X10 for and the reasons for this apart from the SW updates and poor support from samsung is also the Camera is not as good and no flash what so ever?, Then theres the fact i still think the X10 has a better design the Samsung looks too much like the Iphone for me in terms of both the Hardware and Software.

Anyway thats just my view but i'm sure most people will be happy with it.
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People moan about the galaxy S looking like an Iphone w/c i dont really understand whats to moan about, the Iphone did copy its UI from Palm

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Because i can't stand Apple products and i know people will be going to me "what type of Iphone is that" it would drive me nuts!.

I am not defending Apple far from it just i really don't like the look of the Iphone in terms of both Hardware and Software and the Samsung looks about as close as you could get to a Iphone from a Android Device.



There you go same rounded edges, Same shape speaker grill at top both have 1 physical key in the middle at bottom and the icons look very similar.
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i wouldnt buy a fone if there are major issues with it.
There was'nt any major issues with the phone and it was'nt until after they had bought their phone did they realise there was a common problem they shared with a number of other users.
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well 2.1 is now available for the Samsung Moment so hopefully with more droid devices their support for them will improve!
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Yeah, I flashed the 2.1 update last night
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remember guys samsung just announced that 50% of their handsets are going to be android handsets!!!!
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I wonder upto what andriod version the galaxy S will support, pretty sure samsung will cut it off at some point
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I wonder upto what andriod version the galaxy S will support, pretty sure samsung will cut it off at some point
it will see froyo (2.2) for sure! anything after that...well, going by sammy's track record, i wouldn't hold my breathe for other future updates.
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it will see froyo (2.2) for sure! anything after that...well, going by sammy's track record, i wouldn't hold my breathe for other future updates.
I guess only the Nexus line up will always be updated and by looking at the 2.1 adoption rate the Nexus One had it since feb, a lot of devices dont have 2.1 yet.. X10 is still at 1.6 right ?

Probably the Galaxy S / Pro will hold me off until the next high spec phone comes out, I wish if Google would its next Nexus it will use top of the line CPU and GPU, dont care too much for the cam.
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Well, my Samsung Moment is running the latest Android O.S.

Thats about as up to date as you can get. (I know 2.2 is right around the corner)
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Yes I know and my behold2 will be running 2.1 in July, but that is it! Plus keep in mind the moment does not run touchwiz! So really not the same thing at all. Let me clarify galaxy s will be only touchwiz phone running higher than 2.1 and the moment is NOT going to ever recieve 2.2. The 2.1 update this week was the first and only ANDROID update for the moment. All previous updates for the moment and all those that will follow have been and will be bug fixes only! Sorry man.
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Probably thats the only way to keep us from buying new sammy phones, for example if the galaxy S will get all andriod updates then theres no reason for anyone to buy another phone with better specs since the specs of the Galaxy S might even last for more than 2yrs and still be pretty fast.
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That's exactly right! There is no incentive for Sammy to update older hand sets when they are trying to sell new ones. Sammy will honor their commitment to bring 2.1 to all their android devices but that's it. No such promises have been made for updates past 2.1 and there won't be any. The galaxy s is the start of sammys new s-life line of phones and only s-life phones will be getting android above 2.1!
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The 2.1 update this week was the first and only ANDROID update for the moment. All previous updates for the moment and all those that will follow have been and will be bug fixes only! Sorry man.
Do you have proof of this wild claim??

Now that we are on 2.1, the 2.2 update should not be that difficult. You must remember that we were just upgraded from 1.5 cupcake software, not 1.6 donut or 2.0/2.01 Ecclair.

2.2 will be a different kind of update, More of a performance boost and less of added features. Not that it won't add any new ones like the market update and possibly wifi tether.

From what I hear, 2.2 is going to try to close the fragmentation gap. Will it, I can't say but I think that is the plan.
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Yes I can back up the claim! But unfortunately I can't tell u how. Yes I know you will probably call bullsht on me and that's your right, but my source is in deep and never lead me astray yet! I guess time will tell, but I KNOW someday you'll have to swollow your pride and say "sorry for doubting you behold_this...you were right!"
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How far can we expect the Galaxy S to reach in terms of updates or should we expect it to be a 2.1 device forever ?
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imo opinion if samsung hold true to form, you will never see a 2.2 update for the galaxy s ...or at least in the next six months ....they don't give a crap about supporting the phones they have sold, only about marketing the new ones they are working on
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imo opinion if samsung hold true to form, you will never see a 2.2 update for the galaxy s ...or at least in the next six months ....they don't give a crap about supporting the phones they have sold, only about marketing the new ones they are working on
But think about it....
This is a new phone which is going to sell world wide and to a lot of parties.
It would be financial lunacy if Samsung did not push the Galaxy S out to new customers with an older 2.1 operating system.

It's my guess the initial batch will see v2.1 but once Froyo hits general release surely Samsung would then update new sales models to include 2.2 which would mean existing sold models SHOULD be entitled to an upgrade..... just my 2c.
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But think about it....
This is a new phone which is going to sell world wide and to a lot of parties.
It would be financial lunacy if Samsung did not push the Galaxy S out to new customers with an older 2.1 operating system.

It's my guess the initial batch will see v2.1 but once Froyo hits general release surely Samsung would then update new sales models to include 2.2 which would mean existing sold models SHOULD be entitled to an upgrade..... just my 2c.
I agree, if samsung wants to be competitive with android phones they need to keep on top of their products. Especially ones that are for a worldwide market and supposedly coming to the biggest ones in the US. HTC just announced that most of their phones will be supported and updated as fast as they can do it, I assume all their high end models will be included as well as future sets. So unless samsung wants to fall behind and not be taken as serious as people are taking HTC, Moto, etc., they will change their product support strategies.

With Google trying address fragmentation, this would make even more sense that companies, especially top ones, keep pace with Google to a degree.
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It would be very sad and disappointing if the galaxy S will be upto 2.1 / 2.2 only.
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Samsung took almost a year to update 1st Galaxy from 1.5 to 1.6. It will be interesting to see their plans for S.
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Samsung took almost a year to update 1st Galaxy from 1.5 to 1.6. It will be interesting to see their plans for S.
U r right samsung is very very bad with updating their software but since 50% of their handsets are going to be android based handsets so it will be interesting what they are going to do with this galaxy s
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Samsung took almost a year to update 1st Galaxy from 1.5 to 1.6. It will be interesting to see their plans for S.
They still HAVEN'T upgraded behold 2 users to 1.6. Nobody buy a Galaxy S unless you wanna end up like us behold 2 users having to resort to lawsuits to get an update that was promised by samsung and tmobile.
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My guess would be that the Galaxy S will be their flagship phone and probably will be aggressively updated to 2.2. After that...
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My guess would be that the Galaxy S will be their flagship phone and probably will be aggressively updated to 2.2. After that...
Don't most phonemakers give you only one official rom upgrade anyway? HTC phones have the benefit that they have XDA developers making custom roms for them, so it seems like their always getting the latest roms. But those roms aren't official roms from HTC. I'm hoping that this Samsung gets popular enough that there will be a developer community for it and there will be custom roms as well.
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My guess would be that the Galaxy S will be their flagship phone and probably will be aggressively updated to 2.2. After that...
After 2.2 they are done possibly it could be stuck at 2.1 for 6 months.
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Don't most phonemakers give you only one official rom upgrade anyway? HTC phones have the benefit that they have XDA developers making custom roms for them, so it seems like their always getting the latest roms. But those roms aren't official roms from HTC. I'm hoping that this Samsung gets popular enough that there will be a developer community for it and there will be custom roms as well.
We've just opened up a section for the Samsung i9000 Galaxy S in xda-devs so expect to see activity there on all matters relating to this.
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Don't most phonemakers give you only one official rom upgrade anyway? HTC phones have the benefit that they have XDA developers making custom roms for them, so it seems like their always getting the latest roms. But those roms aren't official roms from HTC. I'm hoping that this Samsung gets popular enough that there will be a developer community for it and there will be custom roms as well.
They haven't GAVE BEHOLD 2 USERS NOT ONE OS upgrade we got a maintenance update from t-mobile for issues like sd card randomly unmounting and signal dropping etc etc but that shiit didn't even fix it. HTC got official OS updates. They are and will always get the latest makes official. HTC phones got official updates. from the beginning 1.5 to 1.6 and soon to be 2.1 and 2.2. HTC updates

You obviously aren't aware of the problems of custom roms for touchwiz. So let me fill ya in. The reason behold 2 hasn't custom rom'd to 2.1 is because some of the important drivers aren't open source or lie within touchwiz. most definitely touchwiz isn't open source. Custom Roms won't be easy for samsung touchwiz phones if what I think is going to happen with this phone is correct. They are going to do the same crap they did with behold 2. lock it down tight with touchwiz 3.0 You have been warned.
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They haven't GAVE BEHOLD 2 USERS NOT ONE OS upgrade we got a maintenance update from t-mobile for issues like sd card randomly unmounting and signal dropping etc etc but that shiit didn't even fix it. HTC got official OS updates. They are and will always get the latest makes official. HTC phones got official updates. from the beginning 1.5 to 1.6 and soon to be 2.1 and 2.2. HTC updates

You obviously aren't aware of the problems of custom roms for touchwiz. So let me fill ya in. The reason behold 2 hasn't custom rom'd to 2.1 is because some of the important drivers aren't open source or lie within touchwiz. most definitely touchwiz isn't open source. Custom Roms won't be easy for samsung touchwiz phones if what I think is going to happen with this phone is correct. They are going to do the same crap they did with behold 2. lock it down tight with touchwiz 3.0 You have been warned.
Although not directly affected to what we are talking about but the Behold 2 uses the older Touchwiz.
The i9000 uses the much better and unknown for cooking Touchwiz 3.

However, Samsung have a habit of locking down their phones which in turn means rooting and running custom roms extremely difficult.
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However, Samsung have a habit of locking down their phones which in turn means rooting and running custom roms extremely difficult.
That's interesting. I would assume that no manufacturer is crazy about their phones being rooted (which would explain the dreaded voided warranty and the lack of a "Root Me!" button), but you're saying Samsung actually makes it more difficult to root? Can anyone elaborate on this?
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they use rfs security and won't release propritiary drivers because their led tvs use the same ones. they don't believe in "open source"
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They haven't GAVE BEHOLD 2 USERS NOT ONE OS upgrade we got a maintenance update from t-mobile for issues like sd card randomly unmounting and signal dropping etc etc but that shiit didn't even fix it. HTC got official OS updates. They are and will always get the latest makes official. HTC phones got official updates. from the beginning 1.5 to 1.6 and soon to be 2.1 and 2.2. HTC updates

You obviously aren't aware of the problems of custom roms for touchwiz. So let me fill ya in. The reason behold 2 hasn't custom rom'd to 2.1 is because some of the important drivers aren't open source or lie within touchwiz. most definitely touchwiz isn't open source. Custom Roms won't be easy for samsung touchwiz phones if what I think is going to happen with this phone is correct. They are going to do the same crap they did with behold 2. lock it down tight with touchwiz 3.0 You have been warned.
Thanks for the insight. I don't expect Samsung phones to be as open as HtC phones but it can't be as locked down as say an iphone, can it? I mean I remember seeing custom roms for Samsung omnia on XDA and PPCgeeks. I guess the worse that can happen is that Samsung doesn't update their phones, and this phone turns into an iphone essentially (which the GAlaxy S already resembles anyway )
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My concern with the "difficult to root" comment was this: I want a nice android phone and I'm stuck on AT&T until my income goes up a bit more (my parents have a sweet family plan with an older base fee that you just can't beat these days that I have a line under). If the Galaxy S comes to AT&T, it's hardware looks to rival the Evo's. I'm afraid AT&T will cripple it, but I was hoping to get around that by rooting. I also don't care if Samsumg fails to upgrade the software if I can root. But I'm also assuming that "hard to root" is not the same as "impossible" ...
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requires a custom kernel to root 99% of samsungs android phones. with their new rfs and having to compiling a kernel without breaking it from and incomplete source from samsung, yeah its VERY difficult, not impossible but very difficult and with this new phone with new touchwiz it will be as locked down as a iphone if not MORE so
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The largest Super AMOLED display in business is a great feat but the Samsung I9000 Galaxy S won’t stop there. The slim-fit case has room for a 1GHz processor and a 5 megapixel camera with HD video recording, while the Android 2.1 (Éclair) OS is the latest… uhh, wait a minute, there’s a weather update. We’re getting reports of a Froyo drizzle on Samsung’s party.
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and some poster was also claiming that samsung will give 3 software updates ...

2.1 - stock when shipped
2.2 - shortly after
then whatever next OS upgarde available (gingerbread?)

hope so!

PS.

i had to repost here as this is the right forum..
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and some poster was also claiming that samsung will give 3 software updates ...

2.1 - stock when shipped
2.2 - shortly after
then whatever next OS upgarde available (gingerbread?)

hope so!

PS.

i had to repost here as this is the right forum..
yeah, and pigs can fly ....samsung are very good at making promises.

even if they do miraculously release an 'official' update, you can bet that the online or ota update will not work and you will have to wipe flash the phone to update
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yeah, and pigs can fly ....samsung are very good at making promises.

even if they do miraculously release an 'official' update, you can bet that the online or ota update will not work and you will have to wipe flash the phone to update
come on man~ enough with all these jinx on this phone!!! i know samsung is bad with support on their devices but come on~~~ let's give them one more chance!!! if not i'm never buying samsung mobile phones again!! well i'm pretty sure u can flash the rom later but still let's see
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LMFAO...one more chance...
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Thanks OP. You make a good point. As little as I have been able to find about Verizon and this phone, it doesn't look like VZW will be one of the first to have it. If Verizon doesn't release it with 2.2, I'm going to wait and see if the Shadow releases with 2.2. I don't want to take the chance on not getting 2.2.
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Hi, everyone. I'm new here. To debunk some of the myths of Samsung phones on updates, I currently own a WinMo Samsung i780. To be frank, when I bought my device it was only on WinMo 6.0. I did went to the service centres for 2 minor updates, before they release a software update to 6.1. In my country, they had stopped at that. I'm not sure if they have released another 6.5 update, but I cooked my own rom which is to 6.5.

I do have to admit that the update is extremely slow, but nevertheless, the update still happened.

By the way, I'll be receiving my i9000 on Monday evening. The reason for me to purchase this is the screen, both in size and in display! This will also be my first android phone. I am certain that Froyo will happen, but beyond that, your guess is as good as mine. Having said that, I uses the phone what it sets out to do, to call and to receive calls.

To the TS (threadstarter), the grass is always greener the other side. If you choose to buy the Desire, you will miss that amazing display. If you decide on the i9000, you are afaid about the support for future software upgrades. My guess is that no phone is the perfect one, just get one where it suits your needs.

Haha... first time posting and being such a long-winded fella.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinon. YMMV.
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Hi, everyone. I'm new here. To debunk some of the myths of Samsung phones on updates, I currently own a WinMo Samsung i780. To be frank, when I bought my device it was only on WinMo 6.0. I did went to the service centres for 2 minor updates, before they release a software update to 6.1. In my country, they had stopped at that. I'm not sure if they have released another 6.5 update, but I cooked my own rom which is to 6.5.

I do have to admit that the update is extremely slow, but nevertheless, the update still happened.

By the way, I'll be receiving my i9000 on Monday evening. The reason for me to purchase this is the screen, both in size and in display! This will also be my first android phone. I am certain that Froyo will happen, but beyond that, your guess is as good as mine. Having said that, I uses the phone what it sets out to do, to call and to receive calls.

To the TS (threadstarter), the grass is always greener the other side. If you choose to buy the Desire, you will miss that amazing display. If you decide on the i9000, you are afaid about the support for future software upgrades. My guess is that no phone is the perfect one, just get one where it suits your needs.

Haha... first time posting and being such a long-winded fella.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinon. YMMV.
Its okay you are new here and I am going to have to inform you that you did not debunk a thing.

Samsung Galaxy Original still stuck on 1.5 they won't upgrade them.

Samsung Behold 2 Stuck on 1.5 and was PROMISED 2.0 but now they are claiming that its not upgradeable past 1.6 which is a bs claim because one of our developers has 2.1 working just needs certain drivers which are not found in the source released by samsung

Win Mo is not the same thing as Android and are you seriously saying you prefer a SuperAmoled over receiving the most current updates??? Did you even read the past claims?
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