Which one are you going to spend your hard earned cash on?
PS. I've posted this same thread in the LG 2X forums.
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I think Optimus 3D is more direct competitor to Galaxy S2 than 2X.
The LG 3D is an a class of its own what with the display and 2 cameras to record 3D footage. If the the LG Optimus Black was dual core then that would have been a better comparison.
I know that Optimus 3D is in its own class. But even if we take out its 3D features from consideration it's still very potent phone that can easily rival Galaxy S2. It looks like TI OPMAP4 is more powerful than nvidia Tegra 2. I like to see how Samsung manages to optimize 2.3 gingerbread, file system, memory on S2. It will be interesting to compare the performance of these two phones when they go on sale later.
I know that Optimus 3D is in its own class. But even if we take out its 3D features from consideration it's still very potent phone that can easily rival Galaxy S2. It looks like TI OPMAP4 is more powerful than nvidia Tegra 2. I like to see how Samsung manages to optimize 2.3 gingerbread, file system, memory on S2. It will be interesting to compare the performance of these two phones when they go on sale later.
what does it matter which one is faster, when there are not going to be any games or applications to really push the limits? btw, tegra 2 is faster, but with smaller batteries of the phones using it, and the fact that it seems it is more power hungry, i would always choose exynos, because i want my phone to be MOBILE. and again, with nothing present to really be able use all that processing power, it just wasted.
what does it matter which one is faster, when there are not going to be any games or applications to really push the limits? btw, tegra 2 is faster, but with smaller batteries of the phones using it, and the fact that it seems it is more power hungry, i would always choose exynos, because i want my phone to be MOBILE. and again, with nothing present to really be able use all that processing power, it just wasted.
Thanks for the link.
Exynos based S2 seems a little behind Tegra 2 based 2X especially in Flash benchmark. A little disappointing for S2. Maybe software on S2 is not so well optimized yet for Exynos... I like to see where 3D would sit in that benchmark charts.
what does it matter which one is faster, when there are not going to be any games or applications to really push the limits? btw, tegra 2 is faster, but with smaller batteries of the phones using it, and the fact that it seems it is more power hungry, i would always choose exynos, because i want my phone to be MOBILE. and again, with nothing present to really be able use all that processing power, it just wasted.
The graphics benchmarks do not look valid. Why would Samsung switch to Mali 400 if it's not better than Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540 according to these benchmarks. It's even slower than Adreno 205 in GLBenchmark 2.0 Egypt!! I would not take these benchmark seriously. Wait for the review of the production units. It's probably immature driver issues. Remember they claimed that it was supposed to be 5x faster than their previous generation graphics (Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540) but these benches show it lagging it! If this is really valid, then Mail 400 must suck donkey balls.
Kind of sad that people are relying on poorly optimized benchmarks for gaming instead of the actual games. Like Futuremark scores when the grafix companies cheat by altering their drivers to boost scores that never show up in real game benchmarks.
Thanks for the link.
Exynos based S2 seems a little behind Tegra 2 based 2X especially in Flash benchmark. A little disappointing for S2. Maybe software on S2 is not so well optimized yet for Exynos... I like to see where 3D would sit in that benchmark charts.
You need to wait for release; it's just been announced so I doubt the software is finalized.
But from what I understand they both use the same basic CPU, Dual Core Cortex A9, the difference seems to be the GPU and this is where Exynos should shine the most.
The PowerVR chip in hummingbird is only a little slower than Tegra 2 and the GPU in Exynos according to Samsung is 5x faster than the PowerVR chip, so either they need to fix this performance before launch or the benchmarks they are using are not fully utilizing the GPU for some reason.
The only other alternate is that Samsung are lying to us about performance.
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Someone technical, can you explain what some of these benchmarks mean? All I know is that for most, the SGSII looks pretty good, lol. Are these tests a good indication of how well the phone performs relative to the other smartphones?
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The GPU accelerated UI used in Android 2.3.1 makes the Galaxy S II feel a bit faster than the Tegra 2 phones, however that's not always the case. While web page loading feels comparable between the Atrix 4G and the Samsung Galaxy S II, Tegra 2 appears to handle flash a bit better than Samsung's Exynos. This is a pretty significant difference in our Flash benchmark, however it does translate into a somewhat less smooth experience when scrolling around web pages with Flash
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no, and i would actually not post these. this is not indicative of the performance of the Exynos chipset because the software is not only unfinalized, but driver support is probably not up to speed. i mean, look at the Egypt benchmark where the Hummingbird is actually beating the Exynos. it's supposed to be 5x as powerful as their last chipset
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no, and i would actually not post these. this is not indicative of the performance of the Exynos chipset because the software is not only unfinalized, but driver support is probably not up to speed. i mean, look at the Egypt benchmark where the Hummingbird is actually beating the Exynos. it's supposed to be 5x as powerful as their last chipset
You need to wait for release; it's just been announced so I doubt the software is finalized.
But from what I understand they both use the same basic CPU, Dual Core Cortex A9, the difference seems to be the GPU and this is where Exynos should shine the most.
The PowerVR chip in hummingbird is only a little slower than Tegra 2 and the GPU in Exynos according to Samsung is 5x faster than the PowerVR chip, so either they need to fix this performance before launch or the benchmarks they are using are not fully utilizing the GPU for some reason.
The only other alternate is that Samsung are lying to us about performance.
I hope you are right. Either 2.3 OS or driver is not fully optimized yet for Exynos to unleash its true potential. Don't know how well those benchmarks are utilizing multi-core GPUs though. Hopefully Samsung addresses it before launching.
BTW, HTC show at MWC this time is pretty underwhelming with no dual cores. I think their dual core snapdragon phone is definitely in the work. I wonder when it will hit the market and how powerful its Adreno 220 GPU is.
yah, i'll be waiting for the international model to be reviewed before i draw any conclusions regarding performance. i'm thinking the Exynos is going to be the best performing, though.
on top of that, the only Tegra 2 device worth getting right now is the LG Optimus 2X which is only out in EU currently.
i do, however, think it's pretty cool that the international S2 will be completely compatible with AT&T, likely meaning it'll be the only version without carrier bloatware
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yah, i'll be waiting for the international model to be reviewed before i draw any conclusions regarding performance. i'm thinking the Exynos is going to be the best performing, though.
on top of that, the only Tegra 2 device worth getting right now is the LG Optimus 2X which is only out in EU currently.
i do, however, think it's pretty cool that the international S2 will be completely compatible with AT&T, likely meaning it'll be the only version without carrier bloatware
Oh that is very interesting that the SGSII would have the GSM/UMTS 850/1900 frequencies that AT&T uses. Usually international phones contain 900/1700 frequencies that is compatible with TMo. I wonder if the SGSII is petaband for UMTS?
Oh that is very interesting that the SGSII would have the GSM/UMTS 850/1900 frequencies that AT&T uses. Usually international phones contain 900/1700 frequencies that is compatible with TMo. I wonder if the SGSII is petaband for UMTS?
UMTS. HSPA+ compatible with AT&T, not just voice. or so this is what i've read. i've also read conflicting reports as well.
it's almost like Samsung just announced it and didn't specifically go over important stuff. example, for the longest time everyone AT the announcement thought it was Tegra 2 enabled. there's a video of a CNET chick who says it. so there's a lot of confusion regarding some of the official specs of the device.
i'm wondering what's taking so long for more information to come about.
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UMTS. HSPA+ compatible with AT&T, not just voice. or so this is what i've read. i've also read conflicting reports as well.
it's almost like Samsung just announced it and didn't specifically go over important stuff. example, for the longest time everyone AT the announcement thought it was Tegra 2 enabled. there's a video of a CNET chick who says it. so there's a lot of confusion regarding some of the official specs of the device.
i'm wondering what's taking so long for more information to come about.
Well prior to anything official, most of what went around on the SGS2 were rumours and what was told from 'inside source'. I think the confusion that Samsung would be using Tegra 2 as its Dual Core Orion processors was still in development and wouldn't be in production until later this year. Exynos processor wasn't even in the rumourmill, lol. I think it was last week that Samsung announced officially Exynos.
Well prior to anything official, most of what went around on the SGS2 were rumours and what was told from 'inside source'. I think the confusion that Samsung would be using Tegra 2 as its Dual Core Orion processors was still in development and wouldn't be in production until later this year. Exynos processor wasn't even in the rumourmill, lol. I think it was last week that Samsung announced officially Exynos.
yep, that's what i heard too. you think with them announcing Exynos that most people would put two and two together lol but i suppose not
But there were also good number of sources that got it right, claiming that S2 will have Orion. The Tegra 2 rumor was triggered by Samsung's tegra 2 ordering last year, and recently it was explained to be for Galaxy tab 2 as Orion is not approved for Honeycomb yet. The Orion was getting ready for production from march, so if one can read between the lines with all this info, the logical conclusion is Tegra 2 for tab 10.1 and Orion (Exynos) for S2. But many folks are too lazy or dumb to figure it out.
well if i want the latest updates with out a head ache , anger and frustration . while ever one else around me get 3.0 and beyond ..... then i have to buy galaxy 3 just so i can get further updates and .... Do i really have to go on on .........
P.s I will wait till HTC comes out with a quad core snapdragon and blaze your galaxy s2
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But there were also good number of sources that got it right, claiming that S2 will have Orion. The Tegra 2 rumor was triggered by Samsung's tegra 2 ordering last year, and recently it was explained to be for Galaxy tab 2 as Orion is not approved for Honeycomb yet. The Orion was getting ready for production from march, so if one can read between the lines with all this info, the logical conclusion is Tegra 2 for tab 10.1 and Orion (Exynos) for S2. But many folks are too lazy or dumb to figure it out.
well if i want the latest updates with out a head ache , anger and frustration . while ever one else around me get 3.0 and beyond ..... then i have to buy galaxy 3 just so i can get further updates and .... Do i really have to go on on .........
P.s I will wait till HTC comes out with a quad core snapdragon and blaze your galaxy s2
Well, that quad core snapdragon HTC phone won't come until middle of next year. By that time, we will be looking at GS3 with quad core Exynos.
I think HTC needs to worry more about LG and Motorola.
I think HTC needs to worry more about LG and Motorola.
Too true. As a good case in point: Look what happened to Sony when they dropped the ball and let MS/Xbox 360 in on the next gen console scene. If your competition gets the drop on you they have the advantage until you make a conscious decision to leapfrog, like LG are doing now. But it's all good for us consumers.
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Someone technical, can you explain what some of these benchmarks mean? All I know is that for most, the SGSII looks pretty good, lol. Are these tests a good indication of how well the phone performs relative to the other smartphones?
you need to update this benchmark, Optimus 3d(omap4 dual core) is top performer in graphic benchmark and quadrant
I agree that Optimus 3D now should be included in this list. Then again, GS2 should be properly tested to update this chart once the final product comes out with completed drivers. It should do better than this.
I just came across this benchmark on anandtech and guess what? The Optimus 3D (OMAP4) came out on top! It beat Tegra2 based Atrix, 2X and Exynos based Galaxy S2.
Exynos performance is a little disappointing though this is early testing with demo phones. I guess the softwares in S2 are not working well with it yet, and hope Samsung addresses it before launching the phone.
I agree that Optimus 3D now should be included in this list. Then again, GS2 should be properly tested to update this chart once the final product comes out with completed drivers. It should do better than this.
that would be nice if GS2 with completed driver benchmark. But at the same time, optimus 3d should be on completed drivers and update to 2.3(2.2 right now) like GS2
We should take note as well that optimus 3d is also not the final produc and still runs on froyo.
who knows, the final software for optimus 3d might be better than the demo versions.
So proably we can expect the final products of both galaxy s2 and optimus 3d would perform better.
Even more fun news. There might be a Tegra 2 variant of the S2 to meet demand in certain regions. For those who want bragging rights over the Exynos, if the final Exynos product doesn't beat it of course, can import a Tegra 2 version. For fun of course.
Even more fun news. There might be a Tegra 2 variant of the S2 to meet demand in certain regions. For those who want bragging rights over the Exynos, if the final Exynos product doesn't beat it of course, can import a Tegra 2 version. For fun of course.
hopefully the tegra 2 version will go to the US. Even better, put in Omap 4 instead of tegra 2(Wishful thinking)
I think some of the performance in Optimus 3D is from its massive 4GB of RAM. So we can't say that OMAP4 is faster than other dual cores yet. Also it looks like Samsung rushed GS2 with Exynos to MWC as half baked phone. They are shooting for Q2 release anyway. So I wouldn't write it off yet until they show the final version with proper drivers and benchmarks on it follow.
I think some of the performance in Optimus 3D is from its massive 4GB of RAM. So we can't say that OMAP4 is faster than other dual cores yet. Also it looks like Samsung rushed GS2 with Exynos to MWC as half baked phone. They are shooting for Q2 release anyway. So I wouldn't write it off yet until they show the final version with proper drivers and benchmarks on it follow.
Optimus 3d doesnt have 4GB(gigabytes) of ram, they have 4Gb(gigabit). Which is 512mb of ram. Both phone are half baked phone, but Optimus 3d only running on 2.2 and 512 mb. I dont mind taking s2 on tegra tho, I just love s2 screen. Only if LG have the screen, it would be perfect but can have it all. Now gotta pray S2 with Tegra 2 come to the US!
Wish lg would make aphone that has optimus black nova display and put the same proprocessor lg optimus 3d has. make the ram 1gb and make the screen 4.3. Thaat would be awesome.
Wish lg would make aphone that has optimus black nova display and put the same proprocessor lg optimus 3d has. make the ram 1gb and make the screen 4.3. Thaat would be awesome.
that would be perfect except the screen, super amoled plus screen instead of nova
The screen on the optimus 3D also looks really nice. The parallax layer can be turned off and doesn't interfere with the screen at all, and it looks great in youtube vids. It is really all about timing and pricing for me, between the s2 and opt 3d. Hopefully the 3d doesn't add much of a cost. The opt 3d would be a great phone even if I try the 3d once and then disable it forever.
Optimus 3d doesnt have 4GB(gigabytes) of ram, they have 4Gb(gigabit). Which is 512mb of ram. Both phone are half baked phone, but Optimus 3d only running on 2.2 and 512 mb. I dont mind taking s2 on tegra tho, I just love s2 screen. Only if LG have the screen, it would be perfect but can have it all. Now gotta pray S2 with Tegra 2 come to the US!
I'm not sure if that small "b" really means bits not bytes. That's very rarely used for memory size these days though it's still used for data speeds. So I will wait for official spec confirmation.
I know that Optimus 3D is also kind of half baked phone, but OMAP4 has been around a little longer than Exynos so it should have some advantage in drivers. Even if Exynos doesn't turn out that superior performance than others, I think it will have better power management using variable clocking like Hummingbird does. Nvidia is not exactly know for low power chips.
I'm not sure if that small "b" really means bits not bytes. That's very rarely used for memory size these days though it's still used for data speeds. So I will wait for official spec confirmation.
I know that Optimus 3D is also kind of half baked phone, but OMAP4 has been around a little longer than Exynos so it should have some advantage in drivers. Even if Exynos doesn't turn out that superior performance than others, I think it will have better power management using variable clocking like Hummingbird does. Nvidia is not exactly know for low power chips.
It is 512MB. End of story. Everyone else lists it as 512MB. The GSMArena page has it as 512MB. Jeesuz.
iPhone 4 is way down in all of them, and it's by far the smoothest UI, and has by far the best graphics games.
It's all about the software hooks to hardware. Irrespective of what dual core phone you have, it'll be fast to a point, and then it's about how well coded something is.
This is even worse than the Anandtech benchmark. It doesn't have any comparisons to speak of. An ARM made benchmark for an ARM GPU, why wouldn't it run well? The quadrant scores were already decent enough unoptimized so you know at least it's better than last-gen and capable of running this demo. Doesn't say anything at all about how it compares to the Tegra. The Tegra might be able to run this at 150fps in 3D for all we know.
I know it's a bit disappointing that they don't have comparison with Tegra 2 in that testing. But it sounds like they have done the same testing with Tegra 2 before and feels that Exynos is performing impressively. Let's wait to see until more tests, benchmarks are done with finished Exynos equipped SGS2. I think it will have edge on power management at least.
I wouldn't make assumptions just because it is slightly newer and still delayed. I know everyone wants to get the Exynos chip and have it be better than the Tegra2 for their own...pat on the back... for waiting so long but a practical person would tell you it is all wishful thinking. I would love for the Exynos to blow everything else out of the water too, because I'm planning to get it, and it will make me feel special as well, even if it is all in my head,
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I know this is an old thread but I am going to get one of these.
This is how I compare the two:
First, the Chipsets are mostly on par, except the Exynos has 200 MHZ more. Not that important. Second, the Galaxy S2 might get a better final benchmark score because it has 2.3, but the LG Optimus 2X will get it too in summer.
I am personally going to get a LG Optimus because in my country it is 300 EU cheaper than S2, and they are to me mostly on par. Also, the Mali 400 is quad core with higher clock speed and the GeForce ULV is Octa core with smaller clock speed.
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