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Are the top three tests impressive, so-so, or poor, esp in the upload and ping readings?
I think the cable man finally got my wifi working good, finally, as far as download speed.
(I've been paying for 10, but have only been getting 1-3 this whole time)
But (here it comes...newbie here) what's a good upload speed (I don't know exactly what uploading something is. Like posting a video to utube? This screenshot to this forum?
And what's a ping?

I probably should be googling these dumb questions instead of wasting these very busy, professional's time.

But...

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Are the top three tests impressive, so-so, or poor, esp in the upload and ping readings?
I think the cable man finally got my wifi working good, finally, as far as download speed.
(I've been paying for 10, but have only been getting 1-3 this whole time)
But (here it comes...newbie here) what's a good upload speed (I don't know exactly what uploading something is. Like posting a video to utube? This screenshot to this forum?
And what's a ping?

I probably should be googling these dumb questions instead of wasting these very busy, professional's time.

But...

Thank-you

Well if you are paying for 10 down than your download speed is just on the dot. As far as the upload this is the speed when you want to post something to the internet. This does include youtube videos, facebook photos and other files on the cloud for example.

Ping - I don't know if you know this so I thought I would explain is the time your computer takes to talk to the internet. Less then 50 I would say is the really good connection - in your case the ping is not bad you might want to monitor it and make sure that it does not get over 100 too often.

The cap that you usually pay is only for download - the upload speed varies and it depends on the provider - I pay for 12 mb/s download and I get that much but my upload is around 1.5mb/s.

I think your internet is fine but you need to do some monitoring to make sure no bottlenecks are present and everything runs smoothly.
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Here are a few of my stats so you can get a feel for what I am guessing and I am actually paying for 12mb/s download speed. There is one result which is taken using the 4g on my phone so the latency or the ping is quite higher than everything else.
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I really appreciate you explaining this stuff to me.
I just don't want to be paying $30/mth for something I'm not even really getting anymore.
I have never used any other wifi before, on this phone, so I had no idea my phone could run so much faster than ever before with decent wifi.

Wow.

Okay. To add, please, and this is really wild:
On my previous screen shot: after a while, speed test shows my up speed dropping to 5 something.
Coincidentally, or not, my phone's RAM is very busy. After I free up memory, kill whatever apps will die, and stop all the processes that I can, etc, then do a speed test again, my ups are back up in the 10's again.

Is my phone slowing down my wifi, to the point that my cable tv actually freezes up, as my cable tv goes through the router before getting to the cable box?

I'm getting very exhausted calling the cable company, waiting on a tech, having him tinker around for hours, fix the cable tv and wifi, telling me problem solved.
Actually I think it fixed itself after I turned off the demand on it from my phone.

Here is a screenshot of speedtest on 4g then GSM (or vis-a-versa), then wifi on high demand, low demand, high demand, etc.
There seems to be a direct correlation:



Is my phone too demanding (it's capable of 42mbps), or the wi/fi too weak (10mbps is the fastest CenturyLink offers)?

And does the ping mean miliseconds to connect?

And lastly, what does 3g and 4g mean?
3rd and 4th generation? Generation what?
Or does Apple refer to the generation of their iphone, while Android refers to what?
How do I know if I'm receiving 4g besides the indicator in the status bar being lit up off and on? Is there a minimum number in Speedtest or anywhere else that suggests "true 4G"?

And, what does LTE mean?
Is it better than what? 4g (WCDMA, I guess)?
Is GSM 3g?
What's the E instead of G stand for, next to the I guess up/download arrows, 2g?

Again, sorry for pummeling you with these questions. I've tried to understand this for some time now, and I know this is the best place in the world to seek these answers and all answers to anything Android from the infinite pool of wisdom and knowledge in this forum.

Thanx again.
Really appreciate it.
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Hmmm those are a lot of questions but lets see if we can make some sense out of the information that you have posted.

First off of that picture I have some questions for you!!!!

1. What city are you located! if you are outside the US just the country will do.
2. What operator are you on T-Mobile? At&T or Varizon or so on? Who provides your phone service?
3. What company provides your home internet? The reason I need to know that is that it is rather easy to guess what type of hardware you have for your internet access. Such as modem and router or like me modem router and TV into one big box by 2wire. I personally use AT&T uverse.

Next to get to your questions.


First there are numerous forms of signals

in the USA there are 2 types --- GSM and CDMA

GSM is the signal that has 4 possible bands (frequency) which it is transmitted and it uses a SIM card for reception. The sim card tunes the phone to the proper frequency and it authorizes it to get on the waves of the operator (in my case T-Mobile).

CDMA - is the traditional cellphone signal which uses different waves to connect straight to the device and does not require a sim card. This type of signal is specific to the operator and it requires that the device is produced for the operator (you generally cannot use sprint device for varizon because they were made for different frequency). I say generally because very good programmers can do anything now a days so everything is possible but not very probable.

Speeds===== Mobile internet speeds to be exact.

3 categories

1. Edge - it is what your phone was connected when you took the screenshot above- the little "E" by the up and down arrow for the download and upload tells you what the signal type is. Edge is the slowest signal and downloads the slowest which is why I believe you received such a slow speed on your last test. This means that your phone does not have good DATA signal. Data signal is different from phone signal -- phone signal is required for your voice calls.

2. 3g - this is the 3rd generation signal ---- 3g is not restricted to GSM users it is just the 3rd generation for all phones. The upper limit of the traditional 3g is under 1mb/s download (I believe this may not be exact since I do not actually work for an operator and I do not know the exact speeds). Most of the time now a days we are on 3g if you are not in a rural area which is why I asked you what town you are in because based on the availability there are different signals in your area.

3. 4g ---- This is the 4th generation of mobile internet. The current and most powerful - please note that different operators call different technologies 4g. For example, Sprint calls the WiMax technology which is produced by Clear Wireless 4g - T-Mobile calls the HSPAA adn HSPAA + signal 4g (which is basically an upgraded 3g signal or as I like to call it 3g on steroids), Verizon and AT&T call 4g the LTE network which is the newest and supposedly the fastest network out right now but the point is one cannot tell for sure because of the bandwidth and the amount of traffic that users use and because AT&T and Verizon are the largest networks.

LTE, WiMax and HSPAA and HSPAA+ are just different types of technologies but they are all aimed at gaining faster mobile internet.


Next as far as home internet is concerned as I said you have to monitor. Your phone cannot hogg more than 54 mb/s at a time. This is the restriction on the wireless network. Also make sure you know which apps when active use your internet connection so you don't get a surprising bill from your operator for using too much data. If you think your phone is hogging connection - use your computer and try to monitor it from there - best way is with a computer plugged straight into the router/box with a cable since the network cable achieves the maximum possible download and upload speeds.

With that in mind make sure you test your network at different times of day --- this is important because the more people that are using the internet at the same time you do the more likely it is that you get slower speeds because you and your neighbors on the same operator probably share the bandwidth which means slower speeds.

I run a lot of tests - I run different tests and different servers just to make sure that my connection is up to par because I hate paying AT&T for crappy service and I have had my fair share of problems which I had to discuss with both mechanics and customer support.

Lastly but not least - latency is or miliseconds on the test is the amount of time it takes for your computer to talk to the local internet hub (also called the internet server). This is packets that are sent / received between your computer or phone and the speed with them. The way the internet grid works is that you have to connect to the internet server with which you exchange packets of information - the amount of time it takes to connect to it is measured in miliseconds and it determines how late your computer is in receiving these files from the time it began the transmission (this is much more complicated that I put it out to be but if you really want to learn more just type internet latency in google and read away there is no bad article).
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Okay. The fog is starting to lift, thank-you.

I live in Columbia, MO., a mid-sized (100,000) college town between KC and St. Louis.
I'm with T-mobile, Galaxy S2.
My cable provider is CenturyLink, and it's called Windows Prism.
When I get home, I'll provide the router info.

I understand much of what you've told me, except can my phone be crashing everything, and if so, what steps can I take to ease the burden on the cable/internet system.

I will be home later today.
I need to re-read your info, and Google a few things.
In the meantime, Happy Easter, and thanx again.
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Only the manufacturer of the router would be nice so that we know exactly what kind of interface it is using.

Also for the coverage you should be getting I suggest go in Unsupported Browser and type your info in there and see if you are getting the 4g - I don't think they have the + signal into the little towns just yet so your speed will not be close to mine - I live in chicago and we have the reved up speed on the 4g network so on the mobile internet it gets pretty crazy at times.

As for your phone crashing your wireless network - I don't that it is possible - the maximum downloads you can be getting from your wireless network is 54 mb/s that is if you are connected to the net and you are standing right next to your router and you have optimized the connection like crazy (which means nearly impossible to get in a regular house hold).

Take a look at the number of devices you have connected at one time- if you are like me you have about 15 - yes I do have like 6 computers and 3 tablets and 3 phones that are constantly connected - just dont ask about my electricity bill it is ridiculous.

Usually TV and Internet are on different interfaces of the box - there should be no connection between your TV not working and your internet being too slow. Even though Uverse uses the network cables to distribute signal to the cable boxes it does not use the internet to grab the cable signal or at least I think it is this way because I have had problems with my internet (it not working completely) but my TV was just fine.

Take a look monitor and experiment - Primarily experiment with the channels on the WIFI usually channel 11 is the best one because it is a no interference channel and you should be able to get maximum capacity of the wifi network. Also if you do not need devices turn them off so they don't hogg part of your connection.

Happy Easter and have a good and fun one! I know I will - some friends are comming over later tonight its gonna be a party :-D
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Hmmm those are a lot of questions but lets see if we can make some sense out of the information that you have posted.

First off of that picture I have some questions for you!!!!

1. What city are you located! if you are outside the US just the country will do.
2. What operator are you on T-Mobile? At&T or Varizon or so on? Who provides your phone service?
3. What company provides your home internet? The reason I need to know that is that it is rather easy to guess what type of hardware you have for your internet access. Such as modem and router or like me modem router and TV into one big box by 2wire. I personally use AT&T uverse.

Next to get to your questions.


First there are numerous forms of signals

in the USA there are 2 types --- GSM and CDMA
Today in the US there are a few more than just GSM and CDMA. There is also WiMax, LTE, and iDen, although iDen is slowly being phased out.

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GSM is the signal that has 4 possible bands (frequency) which it is transmitted and it uses a SIM card for reception. The sim card tunes the phone to the proper frequency and it authorizes it to get on the waves of the operator (in my case T-Mobile).
The SIM card doesn't have anything to do with tuning, as that's all hard wired into the phone itself. SIM card is 100% Authentication, which is what allows the phone to use the wireless network. The frequency can never be tuned or changed on a phone once it's built. (Outside of some serious hardware modification)

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CDMA - is the traditional cellphone signal which uses different waves to connect straight to the device and does not require a sim card. This type of signal is specific to the operator and it requires that the device is produced for the operator (you generally cannot use sprint device for varizon because they were made for different frequency). I say generally because very good programmers can do anything now a days so everything is possible but not very probable.
While a SIM is not required with CDMA, they do have a variant of the SIM called R-UIM which I wished they would use here in the states. R-UIM shares the same function as SIM, it's just a different technology. As for Sprint vs Verizon, they actually use the same frequencies, and that is why they can roam with each other. The reason Sprint phones and Verizon phones can't be used on each others networks is basically because they said so. There is no hardware limitation for this, and I'm not a fan of that.

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Speeds===== Mobile internet speeds to be exact.

3 categories

1. Edge - it is what your phone was connected when you took the screenshot above- the little "E" by the up and down arrow for the download and upload tells you what the signal type is. Edge is the slowest signal and downloads the slowest which is why I believe you received such a slow speed on your last test. This means that your phone does not have good DATA signal. Data signal is different from phone signal -- phone signal is required for your voice calls.

2. 3g - this is the 3rd generation signal ---- 3g is not restricted to GSM users it is just the 3rd generation for all phones. The upper limit of the traditional 3g is under 1mb/s download (I believe this may not be exact since I do not actually work for an operator and I do not know the exact speeds). Most of the time now a days we are on 3g if you are not in a rural area which is why I asked you what town you are in because based on the availability there are different signals in your area.

3. 4g ---- This is the 4th generation of mobile internet. The current and most powerful - please note that different operators call different technologies 4g. For example, Sprint calls the WiMax technology which is produced by Clear Wireless 4g - T-Mobile calls the HSPAA adn HSPAA + signal 4g (which is basically an upgraded 3g signal or as I like to call it 3g on steroids), Verizon and AT&T call 4g the LTE network which is the newest and supposedly the fastest network out right now but the point is one cannot tell for sure because of the bandwidth and the amount of traffic that users use and because AT&T and Verizon are the largest networks.

LTE, WiMax and HSPAA and HSPAA+ are just different types of technologies but they are all aimed at gaining faster mobile internet.


Next as far as home internet is concerned as I said you have to monitor. Your phone cannot hogg more than 54 mb/s at a time. This is the restriction on the wireless network. Also make sure you know which apps when active use your internet connection so you don't get a surprising bill from your operator for using too much data. If you think your phone is hogging connection - use your computer and try to monitor it from there - best way is with a computer plugged straight into the router/box with a cable since the network cable achieves the maximum possible download and upload speeds.

With that in mind make sure you test your network at different times of day --- this is important because the more people that are using the internet at the same time you do the more likely it is that you get slower speeds because you and your neighbors on the same operator probably share the bandwidth which means slower speeds.

I run a lot of tests - I run different tests and different servers just to make sure that my connection is up to par because I hate paying AT&T for crappy service and I have had my fair share of problems which I had to discuss with both mechanics and customer support.

Lastly but not least - latency is or miliseconds on the test is the amount of time it takes for your computer to talk to the local internet hub (also called the internet server). This is packets that are sent / received between your computer or phone and the speed with them. The way the internet grid works is that you have to connect to the internet server with which you exchange packets of information - the amount of time it takes to connect to it is measured in miliseconds and it determines how late your computer is in receiving these files from the time it began the transmission (this is much more complicated that I put it out to be but if you really want to learn more just type internet latency in google and read away there is no bad article).
Overall a great, informative response, thanks for your contribution! I love it when we can all educate each other on technologies that help shape our lives every day!

Keep up the great work!
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Only the manufacturer of the router would be nice so that we know exactly what kind of interface it is using.

Also for the coverage you should be getting I suggest go in Unsupported Browser and type your info in there and see if you are getting the 4g - I don't think they have the + signal into the little towns just yet so your speed will not be close to mine - I live in chicago and we have the reved up speed on the 4g network so on the mobile internet it gets pretty crazy at times.

As for your phone crashing your wireless network - I don't that it is possible - the maximum downloads you can be getting from your wireless network is 54 mb/s that is if you are connected to the net and you are standing right next to your router and you have optimized the connection like crazy (which means nearly impossible to get in a regular house hold).

Take a look at the number of devices you have connected at one time- if you are like me you have about 15 - yes I do have like 6 computers and 3 tablets and 3 phones that are constantly connected - just dont ask about my electricity bill it is ridiculous.

Usually TV and Internet are on different interfaces of the box - there should be no connection between your TV not working and your internet being too slow. Even though Uverse uses the network cables to distribute signal to the cable boxes it does not use the internet to grab the cable signal or at least I think it is this way because I have had problems with my internet (it not working completely) but my TV was just fine.

Take a look monitor and experiment - Primarily experiment with the channels on the WIFI usually channel 11 is the best one because it is a no interference channel and you should be able to get maximum capacity of the wifi network. Also if you do not need devices turn them off so they don't hogg part of your connection.

Happy Easter and have a good and fun one! I know I will - some friends are comming over later tonight its gonna be a party :-D

I had to re-read this to see that you already answered my question, and a lot more.
The router is a 2wire gateway.
I went to the coverage maps, and now understand that there is no 4G service anywhere around my neighborhood; I'm almost not even in any 3G either.

Mostly, I know my phone and what I do on it can't crash my DSL or cable. Jeeze. How dumb.

I'm thinking my cable provider is serving more customers than their equipment can keep up with. The cable looks good when it's not frozen, and the wifi is doing what it's supposed to when it's not crashed.
They keep coming back out to fix it, and I keep demanding financial adjustments on my bill for the inconvenience.

Thank-you for spending so much of your Easter weekend helping me understand some of this stuff.
I get so frustrated when I can't comprehend or grasp something about Android or micro computers in general, then someone will say something in just a way that it finally starts to click, and I can finally let it go and move on to the next thing.
So...ahh...nevermind. I will find a different area of the forum to ask a question about quoting just a part of a post and a question about how to make a word of my choice in a post of my own be a link to a URL.
This thread is so informative about networking and wifi and speeds that I won't wander off in a whole different direction or change the topic.

Take care my friend.
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Oh. About the channel 11 thing.
I'm on 7 now. I assume the cable man did a test or something when he chose where to put me?
Especially in the evenings, wifi analyzer shows that pretty much all 14 channels are being used, and I don't know what range wfa reaches. (I don't know how close all the other routers are to me).
Today, my speedtests range from 4mbps to almost 11. We talked about networking, and you mentioned bottlenecking.
Is "bottlenecking" a wifi event also? In other words, if everybody around me gets on their wifi at the same time, can it slow mine down?
I'm thinking I'm wrong about this though, because my dBm seems to hang around -30 regardless of the surrounding activity, and I know -30dBm is good.
But, I don't know if speedtest results and dBm readings should correlate. They should, right?
If the dBm number gets farther from zero (more negative), my download speeds should get slower too, right?

But I took a screenshot of my wifi signal as fast as I could switch apps from the speedtest, that was down to 3mbps download at the moment, and it shows a good signal (-30) even with all the other wifi traffic, though the -30 max rises and falls to like -60, then right back up. Just like all the other signals. They all "pulsate".
And to back the bus up, should I still see what difference channel 11 might make, and if so, how do I try another channel?
In wifi analyzer, the place that says I'm on channel 7, recommends other channels I should use (though the recommendation is constantly fluctuating, and channel 11 isn't usually one of them), but I can't figure out how to.

Now that I think about it, I don't have a clue what wifi is.
I always kind of guessed that network meant totally wireless, and wifi kind of meant that the network "hardwired" to my house, so the only wireless-ness was from the router to my device. Hence, a more reliable and un-interferred with by other signals connection.

Heck, please don't waste too much of your valuable time trying to make me get the whole picture, though I serious study the info you do provide and want to understand the way this world is working around me.

But I'm 50 now, and all I've ever known is carpentry. Probably a little late for me to competely re-program my old brain for something so technical (though I feel I know more about Android than any of my old framin' buddies!)

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Wifi analyzer is a neat tool that can show the spectrum of signals and the channels of the routers around you. I just think that info is neat and can help you fine tune things but anything other than that it is pointless. With the signal you have there should be no interference anyway -30dbm is optimal - channel 11 is the highest frequency and it is one that should prevent interference because of the high frequency. What I am trying to say really is that you should use wifi analyzer with a grain of salt because there is more than just the channel of the wifi networks around you. With that said it looks like you are just fine - you should check how well things move for you on channel 11 just for the sake of it but I suspect there will not be much difference.

As far as a bottleneck - this refers to a device on your network that is hogging bandwidth constantly. If you have some process that require heavy internet traffic on one of your computers you will see severe slowdown of your internet speed. Also a leech may cause that too. There are numerous ways that people can crack your wifi password but if you are on WPA2 PSK (or some form of WPA2) you should be safe because it take a really long time and very many computer smarts to attack that form of protection. For the purpose of explanation though a leech can slow down your connection especially if they lets say are downloading from torrents off of your wifi network.

Most 2wire modems have the tool which shows how much each device is pulling and also a map of all devices connected. Every so often take a quick glance at them - make sure all of those belong to you. If you have WPA2 wifi security you are the most safe you can be now.

Also another thing is when you notice slow internet speed on your phone - go ahead and also make a test off of a computer which is connected directly to the router with a network cable. This will insure that you are getting optimum connection to test the internet. Also run the test on a couple different sites - sometimes speedtest.net is not the most accurate I would say.

Speed Test | Bandwidth | Broadband Internet Services
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there are a ton more that you can find when you just type internet speed test into google.
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Wifi analyzer is a neat tool that can show the spectrum of signals and the channels of the routers around you. I just think that info is neat and can help you fine tune things but anything other than that it is pointless. With the signal you have there should be no interference anyway -30dbm is optimal - channel 11 is the highest frequency and it is one that should prevent interference because of the high frequency. What I am trying to say really is that you should use wifi analyzer with a grain of salt because there is more than just the channel of the wifi networks around you. With that said it looks like you are just fine - you should check how well things move for you on channel 11 just for the sake of it but I suspect there will not be much difference.

As far as a bottleneck - this refers to a device on your network that is hogging bandwidth constantly. If you have some process that require heavy internet traffic on one of your computers you will see severe slowdown of your internet speed. Also a leech may cause that too. There are numerous ways that people can crack your wifi password but if you are on WPA2 PSK (or some form of WPA2) you should be safe because it take a really long time and very many computer smarts to attack that form of protection. For the purpose of explanation though a leech can slow down your connection especially if they lets say are downloading from torrents off of your wifi network.

Most 2wire modems have the tool which shows how much each device is pulling and also a map of all devices connected. Every so often take a quick glance at them - make sure all of those belong to you. If you have WPA2 wifi security you are the most safe you can be now.

Also another thing is when you notice slow internet speed on your phone - go ahead and also make a test off of a computer which is connected directly to the router with a network cable. This will insure that you are getting optimum connection to test the internet. Also run the test on a couple different sites - sometimes speedtest.net is not the most accurate I would say.

Speed Test | Bandwidth | Broadband Internet Services
Speakeasy Speed Test

there are a ton more that you can find when you just type internet speed test into google.
Yes, it's secured with WPA/WPA2 PSK.
I don't have a computer.
And I understand what you mean about taking wi/fi analyzer results with a grain of salt (I went down to t-mobile and talked with my main man Jason, too. He showed me how my analyzer shows -40dBm coming from a router that didn't even have any cable going to it).

Thank you very much for explaining some of this stuff to me.
I appreciate it.
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Look at all this running stuff.
My speedtests have been around 5 down all day.
I killed everything that I knew I safely could.
Now my test is back up to 11 something mbs download.

I thought we weren't really supposed to need to use a task killer.
I thought Android was supposed to manage this stuff better.
I back out of everything when I'm done with it.
How slow is my phone supposed to get before Android starts killing things?










Am I doing something wrong?

Edit: Of course, a minute later, most of those apps came back, and my speedtest shows I'm
back down to 5.5 mbs.
I'm not even using half that stuff.
I guess I'll go uninstall whatever I don't have to have, though I don't really want to get rid of any of it.
I use app monster, so it'll at least be archived on my external, easy enough to re-install.
I just thought this phone could handle this much stuff better.
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Before you uninstall anything you really want. I noticed your using an app to gather this info. Have you compared your list to what is showing under settings/applications/running services? I’m just making sure the info is correct.
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Before you uninstall anything you really want. I noticed your using an app to gather this info. Have you compared your list to what is showing under settings/applications/running services? I’m just making sure the info is correct.
There was about half as many things in settings.
But...
I have been getting notices to update some things. Bloatware, mostly. So I've been ignoring the notices. Why update something I don't even want on my phone in the first place.
The list of requested updates got up to 13.
I just let everything update.
Now speedtest shows 10.98. Let me go check again...
10.98 and .94 again:


Was that the problem, this whole time?
(Even though none of the apps that wanted to be updated are on the first 8 screenshots).

(on last screenshot of speedtest, the earliest 3 shots, 5 point somethings, are 3 of many low scores I've been getting all day. The 11 ish one is after using task killer.
Then back down to 5 something a few minutes later. Then I let 13 apps update, and got the top 2 10.98 scores).

Most, if not all, of the apps I killed are back.
Since now that I'm getting good download speed scores, is this phone doing it's job well?
Should all those apps be running in the background, even though I'm not using most of them?
I'm going to go take a shot of the list of running...stuff...in settings, to compare to the first list (like you said. They aren't the same):





Sure seems like an awful lot of stuff, but it's (only) using 280mbs (or is that a lot, enough to slow things down or cause freeze-ups or crashes, of which I've had a few?)
(I'm going to nix that 12mb battery widget, but I kind of need the rest, except for the freegin' factory stuff).

Does this look "normal" to you?

I sure appreciate your quick response and helping me.
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Are you rooted? If so you can use the paid version of TB (Titanium Backup) and freeze apps versus uninstalling to help you gain some ram back.

Edited to add.

I don’t believe ram usage is causing your speeds to be low. I’m thinking you can manage it better.

Your download / upload speeds will vary through out the day as how bust the server is you’re trying to test from. Example: once might get better speeds from the server at 12am rather than 8pm.
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Are you rooted? If so you can use the paid version of TB (Titanium Backup) and freeze apps versus uninstalling to help you gain some ram back.
No I'm not rooted. If I had a computer I would be.
Is it true that ICS will let you "disable" apps? I read that somewhere. That's the only reason I wish it would hurry up and get here (for T-989).

So, that's a pretty high percentage of RAM I'm using?
Enough to cause freeze-ups, for example? That happens about once every other day or so.
Where would you rather the number be?

<25%? 10%?

I don't do much multi-tasking, or really anything to even get this thing warm.
The most stressful thing I've probably done to it is probably running an Antutu or Quadrant or Vellamo
test on it (very happy with those scores).

You really have me wondering how over-worked this is.

Thank you again.

Edit: I now see that you state that "I can manage it better". How so?
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No I'm not rooted. If I had a computer I would be.
Is it true that ICS will let you "disable" apps? I read that somewhere. That's the only reason I wish it would hurry up and get here (for T-989).

I haven’t seen anything from a reliable source regarding ICS removing preinstalled apps.

So, that's a pretty high percentage of RAM I'm using?
Enough to cause freeze-ups, for example? That happens about once every other day or so.
Where would you rather the number be?

<25%? 10%?

I think your ram usage is high and it may cause your phone to crash. Then again if you think about it some, you might have an app that is crashing your phone. The possibility is there. Checking for an app that crashes your phone might require some extra work for example installing your apps back one by one day by day. What a pain…

I don't do much multi-tasking, or really anything to even get this thing warm.
The most stressful thing I've probably done to it is probably running an Antutu or Quadrant or Vellamo
test on it (very happy with those scores).

You really have me wondering how over-worked this is.

Thank you again.

Edit: I now see that you state that "I can manage it better". How so?
As far as managing your apps, remember to either select exit or quit if the option exist or back out of the app to close it. Also if you see an app running in “Running Services” select it and stop it. It shouldn’t come back unless you restart the app or restart the phone which ever comes first.

If you were rooted, Titanium Backup would let you freeze or uninstall certain apps that hog your ram usage.
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I knew I read this somewhere:

http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57355517-285/how-to-disable-preinstalled-apps-on-the-galaxy-nexus/

And I always make sure I back out of or close or exit an app when I'm done with it, if not un-install it.

I think you're right about a rogue app since you say I'm using a lot of RAM.
I'm not doing anything except playing words free and writing this right now, and I'm only getting 4 something down on speedtest right now.
It took forever to open the c.net page I screenshot. Very slow.
I'm going to do like you said and start un-installing apps one at a time, and see if I can recognize a culprit in the mix somewhere.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanx again
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Thanks for the link to cnet. I'll keep an eye on this thread and see what your findings are regarding installed apps that might be hogging ram usage.
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Edit: Don't bother reading all that which follows.
To shorten it up, I'm just asking other Hercules owners, or any S2's I guess, or maybe any 1gb Android, about how many mb's of RAM does your phone "idle" at (not heavy usage, with just the normal app s running in background)? At what point would you use a TK to free up some memory?
Is it not so much that number that matters, but rather just the "feeling" that the phone is getting sluggish or slow and/or freezing/crashing?


I thought about starting a new thread in the Hercules forum about this, as it has a lower quality but faster (1.5 ghz Qualcomm) processor than it's 19000 siblings, and may manage apps and services and processes better or worse, as my question is:
But, it's kind of a continuation of what I started, so:
1. Its tough to declare a certain amount of RAM as being "normal" or "average", when people use their phones so differently from one to another.
So instead of "what's normal", how about:
What percent of RAM in use or what percent in reserve might I expect this phone to get tripped up pretty easily (as simple as downloading an app when the phone rings)?
Right now, I'm using 530mb/780mb, with only about 200 of that being apps. The rest are processes and things I don't recognize, so I leave them alone (when stopping).
Is this way more than a phone on "idle" should be using?
What do you need to know from me in order to better answer this question?

2. Maybe my phone is running normal and average, as my only complaint is that about once a day it'll freeze up, usually for no real reason (what I mean is, it doesn't happen when I'm demanding a lot, like multi-tasking).
I could be writing this post and it could lock up if I try to go to gallery w/o closing tapatalk, for example.
Does crashing or freezing (re-boot always fixes it) once for every 18 hours steady use (surfing, words free, crosswords, and a lot of in-and un-installing apps-app surfin') constitute somethings amiss, or is that pretty good?
In other words, do all smartphones freeze up once in awhile under normal use? Or are they supposed to be so smart that freezing up should be fairly rare?

I'm looking for a particular app that's making this phone crash once in a while, and why my RAM usage is high, if it is.
But for all I know, this phone uses the amount of mb that it wants itself to (good management), and a freeze once in a while is nothing to be concerned about.
Maybe they just have so much going on all the time, they're bound to hiccup once in awhile?

Because I can't identify any one particular app.
Not with my limited knowledge, anyways.
But its not like any one app is always in the foreground when it crashes. And the same app(s) in settings-manage-apps-running aren't necessarily there when my RAM usage is 4 or 5 hundred mbs high.

Gee, I better stop wandering on and on with this. I don't mean to. Sorry.

Any thoughts? Esp. from fellow T989 owners?

Thank you for your time.
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Your right it’s hard to say what normal ram usage is. I’d be more concerned with reboots verses freezes as reboots will clear the ram usage and restore it properly once the phone boots up. Reboots can happed from ram usage, bad install from roms, kernels, boot animation or a poorly made app.

My Blackberry not long ago had to be rebooted every two days or it would act strangely. Tech support reminded me that our phones are not just phones anymore. Our phones have been morphed (I like that word) into mini computers. Strange things will happen and you might know the cause but if it’s in your comfort zone then your fine.

Other then the apps that came with my phone (some of the bloat-ware I have removed) I have an additional twenty six apps that I use. I wouldn’t know if there was a limit to how many apps we can have. I personally just keep the ram usage low. Low to me is under 200mb but for someone else it might be 400mb. Perhaps to each his own.

I’d like to hear from others here.
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Your right it’s hard to say what normal ram usage is. I’d be more concerned with reboots verses freezes as reboots will clear the ram usage and restore it properly once the phone boots up. Reboots can happed from ram usage, bad install from roms, kernels, boot animation or a poorly made app.

My Blackberry not long ago had to be rebooted every two days or it would act strangely. Tech support reminded me that our phones are not just phones anymore. Our phones have been morphed (I like that word) into mini computers. Strange things will happen and you might know the cause but if it’s in your comfort zone then your fine.

Other then the apps that came with my phone (some of the bloat-ware I have removed) I have an additional twenty six apps that I use. I wouldn’t know if there was a limit to how many apps we can have. I personally just keep the ram usage low. Low to me is under 200mb but for someone else it might be 400mb. Perhaps to each his own.

I’d like to hear from others here.
So, the only way to bring my number down, is to uninstall apps?
That's how little I know. I figured I could keep downloading apps as long as I had plenty of internal/external space left. I've installed, maybe 100, apps, and have about 8g internal and 4gig's of ex_sd card still.
Using over 500mb of RAM, the only apps running in background that I installed are GoSMS (which insists on running even though I haven't used it since my last kill), and Lookout.
3 or 4 bloats, and services/processes. That's it.
Equals 500mb?



It's never rebooted itself.
Maybe I am using the wrong terminology.
When the phone just "sticks", ie. won't do anything/buttons unresponsive, I power it down, then power it back up. This is what I mean by rebooting.
Actually, I always have to do this procedure exactly twice, back-to-back, after every "freeze-up", for whatever reason.

I'm sure interested in other peoples usage also.
Anyone else care to share?
Thank you

P.S.: Also, can someone explain the meanings of the two different RAM infos. Are they talking about 2 different things, since the numbers are so different (screenshots taken at same time):


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Thanks. I won't bother anybody about this after this. I know it's frustrating trying to explain this stuff to someone that just won't get it.
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“P.S.: Also, can someone explain the meanings of the two different RAM infos. Are they talking about 2 different things, since the numbers are so different (screenshots taken at same time):”

There not different ram. It’s the same ram. The first photo under running, shows you the break down of your apps and how much ram each app is using.

The second photo shows you the total ram usage/total ram you get with the phone.
Example: your picture reads 526mb of ram used out of 768mb of ram your phone comes with.
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There not different ram. It’s the same ram. The first photo under running, shows you the break down of your apps and how much ram each app is using.

The second photo shows you the total ram usage/total ram you get with the phone.
Example: your picture reads 526mb of ram used out of 768mb of ram your phone comes with.
Okay. But...The first pic, RAM total (used + free) = 661mb. Why isn't this number closer to the 768 in the second pic, which shows 258 free (768-526), also different from the 343/free in the first shot?
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