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Old March 23rd, 2012, 01:54 PM   #251 (permalink)
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That article made me drool though. LOL
no kidding!

it's hard to say if apple will use the a5x or the a6 (which i assume would use a15 cores). so it's hard to say if it will be a bad move for samsung to "settle" for the 4412 or make the jump to the 5250.

honestly, lets hope they both use a15s competition benefits everyone

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So say they release the sg3 with the a9 quad cores, how long before the a15s show up? Another 4 or 5 months after the gs3?
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huh?

you're the first person i've seen that's said this was a fake. i don't see any of the problems you're seeing



On each side of the Samsung logo, there are black square patches, it looks like someone just covered up the capacitive keys on the SII...
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Tegra2 and Exynos had some issue with LTE radios last year, but still Samsung managed to make LTE tab 10.1 with tegra2. So that doesn't mean they will have the same issue with LTE this year going forward. I heard Samsung said last year that their next versions of Exynos will fully support LTE radios. They also reconfirmed it unofficially recently.

Given how big deal LTE is even in Asia, I think these big guys are well aware how important it is to make sure their chips are LTE compatible, and it will be silly to make processors working with only 3G these days.

As for SGSIII on verizon, I feel your concern as they are using CDMA. So it remains to be seen if new Exynos can also support verizon CDMA/LTE network. They might go with Krait S4 for verizon, but that's still giant leap from S3 snapdragon of last year.
from how I understand it... but at times it is confusing but I think I have it straight

Current Tegra 3 quad cannot do CDMA and LTE. So, they are out. Rumor is they are working on that right now.

Huawei has a self made quad core and it cannot do CDMA or LTE. it is in their Ascend D Quad

The original chip announced for the SGS3 Exynos 4412 would not play with VZW either.

Now rumors of the Exynos 5 which might be able to play BUT is that the chip in the actual SGS3... seems varying info plus is that not built on old architecture

SO.. 1 of the keys of this phone is quad core. That is the next top technology. If the SGS3 comes to VZW with anything less than a quad, it is worthless to me and not what I fell in love with and I will not want it. But that is the kind of crap that happens with VZW.
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SO.. 1 of the keys of this phone is quad core. That is the next top technology. If the SGS3 comes to VZW with anything less than a quad, it is worthless to me and not what I fell in love with and I will not want it. But that is the kind of crap that happens with VZW.
it's already been shown that a quad a9 cpu isn't all that impressive compared to the new snapdragon. expect the same kind of butt kicking by dual a15's.

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quad a9 is the last thing we should hope for imo
Agreed.
Unfortunately this phone has to be markerted for the masses and its going to be difficult to market dual a15's over quad a9's when the general consumer instantly assumes the quads will be better. As much as I would love to see A15's, Samsung are a business and they want good profit margins which means making a phone that they can market to the consumers.

Not my area of expertise but they are likely to get more sales if they went the quad a9 route, as it will appeal more to the general consumer while the more tech savvy of us will either settle or wait for their a15's so they won't lose many of us to the competition.
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Agreed.
Unfortunately this phone has to be markerted for the masses and its going to be difficult to market dual a15's over quad a9's when the general consumer instantly assumes the quads will be better. As much as I would love to see A15's, Samsung are a business and they want good profit margins which means making a phone that they can market to the consumers.

Not my area of expertise but they are likely to get more sales if they went the quad a9 route, as it will appeal more to the general consumer while the more tech savvy of us will either settle or wait for their a15's so they won't lose many of us to the competition.
on one hand, i agree with you completely. on the other..take a look at comments from people who don't really know what they're talking about. all they see is quad core and the first knee jerk reaction is.."why do i need that?! the battery won't last for more than an hour!"

all they'd probably need to do is tout it's power and battery life capabilities and it'd be enough

then again, it's not like the 32nm chips are anything to slouch off

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Current Tegra 3 quad cannot do CDMA and LTE. So, they are out. Rumor is they are working on that right now.

Huawei has a self made quad core and it cannot do CDMA or LTE. it is in their Ascend D Quad

The original chip announced for the SGS3 Exynos 4412 would not play with VZW either.

Now rumors of the Exynos 5 which might be able to play BUT is that the chip in the actual SGS3... seems varying info plus is that not built on old architecture

SO.. 1 of the keys of this phone is quad core. That is the next top technology. If the SGS3 comes to VZW with anything less than a quad, it is worthless to me and not what I fell in love with and I will not want it. But that is the kind of crap that happens with VZW.
How do you know quad core can't work with LTE? Since when number of cores in processor had anything to do with communication with radio chip? This year is still very young and it could be simply they are waiting on new Qualcomm 3G/4G chip (like MDM9615) to couple with new quad core processors. Or they can develop their own LTE chip for that.

As for the quad vs dual in performance, it's the architecture of process that really matters, not just number of cores. Dual A15 processor will run circle around quad A9 processors. I bet Krait S4 will come very close to quad core 4412 if not better.
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quad a9 is the last thing we should hope for imo
To be fair though, those benchmarks were comparing a production tablet running Tegra 3 (a different SKU, even) to a Krait MDP.

The perceivable difference between the Tegra 3 in the One X and the Krait in the One XL/S is negligible:




Not to mention T3's GPU is generally better at 720p than the Adreno 225, and nVidia's DirectTouch (gimmick? :P) will probably give you a bit better user experience, I'm struggling to find a really compelling reason to favor one over the other.
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Would love the S3 to run with A15. Though I doubt it will. Mainly because it won't be ready in time. The sooner the S3 comes out the more phones it will sell. Of the tens of millions of Galaxy buyers what percentage know what chip or GPU is in the phone? I would say less than 1%. We people on here are a small minority. Saying a phone is "quad core" is enough for Samsung to sell phones. They will go with that. For the sakes of the < 1%, I hope I am wrong.
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To be fair though, those benchmarks were comparing a production tablet running Tegra 3 (a different SKU, even) to a Krait MDP.

The perceivable difference between the Tegra 3 in the One X and the Krait in the One XL/S is negligible:

[IMG]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5584/44430.png[/ IMG]
[IMG]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5584/44432.png[/ IMG]

Not to mention T3's GPU is generally better at 720p than the Adreno 225, and nVidia's DirectTouch (gimmick? :P) will probably give you a bit better user experience, I'm struggling to find a really compelling reason to favor one over the other.
not that it matters since the one x is benching close to the mdp, but ok, fair enough. we'll have to see what the bench's look like once the phones release with updated drivers. i have a feeling we'll want the 28nm cpu over the 40nm cpu though.
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Guys, I wouldn't pay any attention to the Anandtech's results based on samples sent by Qualcomm.

I remember them doing this before the Sensation was released and the results looked amazing until we actually got the Sensation and realised they were worthless.
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Guys, I wouldn't pay any attention to the Anandtech's results based on samples sent by Qualcomm.

I remember them doing this before the Sensation was released and the results looked amazing until we actually got the Sensation and realised they were worthless.
you looked at the benchmarks right? the one s even beat the mdp in a few benchmarks.
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it's already been shown that a quad a9 cpu isn't all that impressive compared to the new snapdragon. expect the same kind of butt kicking by dual a15's.


quad a9 is the last thing we should hope for imo
you wrongly assumed I cared about it from a cheesy benchmark standpoint.

I don't.

I care about it more for the 5th core that the 4 cores hand off to to handle lower level processes and thus, better battery life system usage and multi-tasking.

I don't give a shizzzz about those korny benchmarks.
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How do you know quad core can't work with LTE? Since when number of cores in processor had anything to do with communication with radio chip? This year is still very young and it could be simply they are waiting on new Qualcomm 3G/4G chip (like MDM9615) to couple with new quad core processors. Or they can develop their own LTE chip for that.
How do we know? because the companies said so, that is how.

NVIDIA officially developing LTE for Tegra 3 devices

AT&T’s HTC One X lost the Tegra 3 due to LTE incompatibility - SlashGear

Huawei unveils quad-core Ascend D smartphone - FierceWireless "The device supports UMTS and HSPA+ networks, but not LTE."

convinced?

Quad core makers are working on LTE compatible chips - Nvida, Samsung, Huwei
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you wrongly assumed I cared about it from a cheesy benchmark standpoint. I don't. I care about it more for the 5th core that the 4 cores hand off to to handle lower level processes and thus, better battery life system usage and multi-tasking. I don't give a shizzzz about those korny benchmarks.
ok?

i'm willing to bet a 28nm s4 will get better battery life than the 40nm tegra 3 though. 5th core or not

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How do we know? because the companies said so, that is how. convinced? Quad core makers are working on LTE compatible chips - Nvida, Samsung, Huwei
the number of cores has nothing to do with being lte compatible.
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ok?

i'm willing to bet a 28nm s4 will get better battery life than the 40nm tegra 3 though. 5th core or not

the number of cores has nothing to do with being lte compatible.
Its to much time spelling it all out for you... your missing the big picture point as your focused on minutiae
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edit: eh forget it. whatever you say work on figuring out the difference between to and too and your and you're though
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Personally I'd rather have the higher clock over more cores. Really, how much multitasking are you planning on doing on a phone?

Besides, in this situation I think either chip we end up with is a great improvement and we really can't go wrong.
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Latest rumour is that it may be released this Friday!

Samsung Galaxy S3 set for shock March 30th UK launch? | T3

Obviously, it might not be for the S3, but I've never seen a phone shop cover their entire window like this unless it's for something big.

http://www.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/images/2012/03-march/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-phones-4u-oxford-street-window.jpg
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As other sites have pointed out, the red side curtain display evokes a cinema feel which is probably more in line with the galaxy beam with its' projector.

One can only hope though.

If only they went the HTC One x/xl route with releasing two models.
A 4412 model and a 5250 model....they got no reason to though
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I hadn't considered the Beam, unfortunately that makes sense.

Do you think the Beam is considered mainstream enough to warrant advertising like that though? I've only ever seen full window displays for very big launches.
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If only they went the HTC One x/xl route with releasing two models.
A 4412 model and a 5250 model....they got no reason to though
I agree, they have more reasons to avoid it than go with it. That would mean yet another variant of phone to have production lines for, more product support staff, more QA testing, and having to work with the FCC and carriers for compliance testing. Also it increases customer confusion, because the vast majority of people will not know the difference, even if you explain it as simply as 'this phone has a quad core A9 and this one has a dual core A15'.

And that all costs money to implement and may cause the customer to be confused enough to go to another manufacturer's handset or the iPhone. Maybe they will wait to see how HTC fairs before trying it.
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Latest rumour is that it may be released this Friday!

Samsung Galaxy S3 set for shock March 30th UK launch? | T3

Obviously, it might not be for the S3, but I've never seen a phone shop cover their entire window like this unless it's for something big.

http://www.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/images/2012/03-march/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-phones-4u-oxford-street-window.jpg
Supposedly the shop reported that they are remodeling and adding a dedicated Samsung section. Looks like the wait continues...
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Anyone seen this yet?

The true specs of the sg3 ??

Samsung Galaxy S III Leaks with Impressive Specs | PhoneRPT.com - News, Reviews, Specs, Release Dates

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What do yah reckon? legit?
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It's funny because I just knew that article was going to have originated from the UK (gizmodo uk at the bottom), you know how england's press loves to do their dramatic flashbang headlines heh.
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Anyone seen this yet?

The true specs of the sg3 ??

Samsung Galaxy S III Leaks with Impressive Specs | PhoneRPT.com - News, Reviews, Specs, Release Dates



What do yah reckon? legit?
Not legit, but definitely close to what will likely happen in reality. Except the 1080p is just wrong. 720p is what we can and should expect, samsung always gives the galaxy s phones their super amoled screens, and even with new manufacturing processes, they can't do 1080p at that screen size yet, they can however do 720p without a pentile matrix.
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Ceramic case. That sounds like a non-removable battery. Possibly a deal breaker.
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does Samsung have any non-removable battery android phones?
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does Samsung have any non-removable battery android phones?
None that I know of and I seriously don't think they would start now.
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None that I know of and I seriously don't think they would start now.
Did HTC have any phones without removeable batteries before the One series? I am hoping the US models fight this as carriers realize people don't want to be stuck with the same internal battery for 2 years since they wear out so much and often are far too small. Sadly, most people buy iphones and don't have any issues, so I'm not so sure how this will end up.
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Did HTC have any phones without removable batteries before the One series? I am hoping the US models fight this as carriers realize people don't want to be stuck with the same internal battery for 2 years since they wear out so much and often are far too small. Sadly, most people buy iphones and don't have any issues, so I'm not so sure how this will end up.
Wow .. I didn't realize the one x's battery wasn't removable. Interesting .. Samsung phones generally have micro sd slots usually accessed under the battery so they would have to change the design so that the micro sd slot was accessible from the outside of the phone .. which is better in my opinion.

Its not really a deal breaker for me as I always pay a bit more per month to be on a one year contract instead of a two year but I would still much prefer the removable battery. Will be interesting to see what they do.
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The Nexus line doesn't have a micro SD slot, so I wouldn't too shocked to see internal memory only, and if they go towards the trend of waterproofing/water resistance, it would almost have to be sealed.

There would need to be a pretty precisely fit battery cover with a gasket of some kind for it to be an option, and they would be opening themselves up to quite a few returns if it wasn't put back on properly, or worked its way loose.

Of course that all depends on waterproofing or not, but something else to consider if that rumored spec comes to fruition..
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The Nexus line doesn't have a micro SD slot, so I wouldn't too shocked to see internal memory only, and if they go towards the trend of waterproofing/water resistance, it would almost have to be sealed.

There would need to be a pretty precisely fit battery cover with a gasket of some kind for it to be an option, and they would be opening themselves up to quite a few returns if it wasn't put back on properly, or worked its way loose.

Of course that all depends on waterproofing or not, but something else to consider if that rumored spec comes to fruition..
Actually pretty sure the cases aren't airtight, they have to waterproof everything with that nanotech, the entire inside is coated along with the micro usb port and other things, and despite the coating connections can still be made. I bet even without the back cover it would be fine with water, so no gasket needed.

Also I am betting the One X/S/V have a decent shot at not having micro sd card slots.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #285 (permalink)
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Also I am betting the One X/S/V have a decent shot at not having micro sd card slots.
Your correct on that one .. none of the new HTC models have expandable memory.
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Did HTC have any phones without removeable batteries before the One series? I am hoping the US models fight this as carriers realize people don't want to be stuck with the same internal battery for 2 years since they wear out so much and often are far too small. Sadly, most people buy iphones and don't have any issues, so I'm not so sure how this will end up.
if most people don't have issues, why is this an issue? a nonremovable battery means a bigger battery. the only time i've ever had to remove the battery on any of the 5 android phones i've had is when i messed something up. but that's not even necessary. most (with nonremovable batteries) have you restart by holding power and volume or something. so who cares.

i suppose it limits those who go for extended batteries, but meh. guess that means you'll be sol
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I wouldn't mind having a nonremovable battery. I've yet to even see a drop in performance from my 2 year old droid x and as long as a phone with a non removable battery has a hard reset option, idk why I'd want a removable battery. I can see why some would, but for me its no deal breaker.
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Yeah, you guessed it. More rumors.

Samsung Galaxy S III to have a 4.6" Super AMOLED Plus HD display with 319ppi pixel density
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I like to have multiple batteries so that I never have to leave my phone plugged in. It's nice to not only never have to plug in, but also be able to switch to a full charge right when I need to, like before I'm leaving for somewhere. I don't like planning around making sure my phone is charged. Not liking this trend.
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I prefer removable battery, but wouldn't mind non-removable if it has decent capacity over 2000mAh. As for battery wearing out over time, I think it should be fine for two years at least. Certainly Apple doesn't seem to have much battery issue with their huge number of iPhones.
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Im really looking forward to an official release date or official information. Can't wait to get one if the rumored specs are close to accurate.
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Im really looking forward to an official release date or official information. Can't wait to get one if the rumored specs are close to accurate.
Seriously. I just want to at least have an idea how patient I have to be!
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release this phone now
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Samsung GT-I9300 said to be mid-range but packing dual cores, could launch in May

So if this report is correct, GT-I9300 is not GSIII and just another mid range variant of GSII (possibly SGSII plus). I guess that 1.4Ghz Exynos is probably 4212 they started sampling late last year.

If this one coming soon is being called mid range phone with dual A9 Exynos, HD screen, ICS, it's good sign that SGSIII won't be disappointing hardware wise.
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I prefer removable battery, but wouldn't mind non-removable if it has decent capacity over 2000mAh. As for battery wearing out over time, I think it should be fine for two years at least. Certainly Apple doesn't seem to have much battery issue with their huge number of iPhones.
See, I think it needs to be closer to 3000 than it is to 2000 before I can accept a non-removable battery.

Plus the way Android users complain about battery life, I could see a lot of replacement phones going out.
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Samsung GT-I9300 said to be mid-range but packing dual cores, could launch in May

So if this report is correct, GT-I9300 is not GSIII and just another mid range variant of GSII (possibly SGSII plus). I guess that 1.4Ghz Exynos is probably 4212 they started sampling late last year.

If this one coming soon is being called mid range phone with dual A9 Exynos, HD screen, ICS, it's good sign that SGSIII won't be disappointing hardware wise.
Exactly. It just looked too average to be a next flagship device.
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Like many others I am getting seriously tired of waiting for the to announce this damn thing. I mean I know its a big deal and they have to get it right but come on .. all the rumors and crap .. its getting old.

I might just end up getting an HTC One X if this keeps up. ( kidding )
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See, I think it needs to be closer to 3000 than it is to 2000 before I can accept a non-removable battery.

Plus the way Android users complain about battery life, I could see a lot of replacement phones going out.
I agree, if the droid razr maxx can fit everything into something like 9mm on a phone that has a 4.3" screen mind you, then a phone with a 4.6" screen should easily get that same 3300mah or better maybe even 3500 or 3700. There's no excuse for having a non removable battery and not matching or besting motorola's offering when you have a physically bigger phone.
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I agree, if the droid razr maxx can fit everything into something like 9mm on a phone that has a 4.3" screen mind you, then a phone with a 4.6" screen should easily get that same 3300mah or better maybe even 3500 or 3700. There's no excuse for having a non removable battery and not matching or besting motorola's offering when you have a physically bigger phone.
That's assuming GSIII will have similar thickness about 9mm. But rumor has it thinner than 8mm that might offset volume gain from slightly larger screen. But I think it will be closer to 3000 than 2000 if they go with non-removable battery.
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That's assuming GSIII will have similar thickness about 9mm. But rumor has it thinner than 8mm that might offset volume gain from slightly larger screen. But I think it will be closer to 3000 than 2000 if they go with non-removable battery.
Very true, but at least in the USA the carriers love to have custom versions of the galaxy s phones, so it wouldn't surprise me if the thickness and battery capacity even vary amongst carriers, as well as features such as a removable backplate possibly.
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