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Old July 6th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Interesting you say that...I wondered that myself. Something just doesn't feel natural about not being able to hit *228 and update prl or anything.
I agree. I think the sim cards do not automatically update the prl like they are supposed to and that may be some of the reason. It just seems that when every phone is having the problem in some sort it is more than the antenna or radio that is being used especially when the same phones had no problems before lte and have no issue if switched to 3g only.

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i must really be lucky to live in such a good signal area. I've never dropped a call with my nexus and i never lose data...as long as the gs3 is at least as good as my gnex I'm good to go
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Thanks for all the updates about signal and call quality! I have been waiting to play around with an S3 in person before jumping in and ordering one (though it has been VERY difficult not to pre-order!) and this thread is going to greatly impact my decision.
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By the way nearly all have caved in for new devices and gone with the same radios. So that Razr HD is rumored to now have the same radio as the S3. CPU Testing numbers sent also show this. On the LTE side of the house there are a limited number of players in the multi core world. So many if not all have gone to Qualcomm.

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So it seems the only possibility for improvement is the antenna quality which is a pretty standard formula (although Apple found out the hard way how to wrongly do an antenna).

If Moto has gone by the S4 route then I would think they would have very similar performance.

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Antenna design tends to be the real weak link. That is what hurt the Gnex, since all first gen LTE devices for VZW had similar radios.
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Antenna design tends to be the real weak link. That is what hurt the Gnex, since all first gen LTE devices for VZW had similar radios.
all the 1st gen lte devices used each companies own "lte radios" which seemed to all suck and be real battery hungry.
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Bad news so far for me unfortunately :/ not connecting to 4g at all in my apartment and stuck on a slowwwww 3g connection at 3 bars, whereas on my thunderbolt I had a strong 4-5 bars of 4g. Wish there was a 4g toggle like on my bolt. If this is the case ill be seriously considering trading for a razr maxx
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Mine seems to be holding up okay against my iPhone and seems to be better than my Gnex in terms of not losing signal. Still very early in my usage though.

One thing it is doing is flying on the LTE network. It is much faster than my Nexus for some reason.
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post from another user different forum


"well just got mine and the signal is 118, my nexus was 120 and my rezound is 99 or less.

I just tried making 3 calls and all of them dropped, shame as this phone is very nice but typical samsung crap antennas. I will see how things shake out but if it doesnt improve mine is going up for sale. I did not take off the plastic yet as I wanted to test it"

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nearest 4g access is 30 miles away so 4g isn't a big deal to me
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I don't have 4G where I live either. That's not the issue it's 3G.
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I am beginning to think all these "signal issues" Is more with verizon's network and how it deals with sim cards more than the phones per say. Before lte I used various phones from various manufacturers and none had issues with reception, where as it seems every lte phone that comes out has some sort of reception at first( that 99% of the time gets fixed via an update) Just seems strange all the sudden these phones that had no issues before start all having reception/data issues.
I would disagree. I had this problem with Samsung phones on Sprint. They are known for having weaker antennas.
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"well just got mine and the signal is 118, my nexus was 120 and my rezound is 99 or less.

I just tried making 3 calls and all of them dropped, shame as this phone is very nice but typical samsung crap antennas. I will see how things shake out but if it doesnt improve mine is going up for sale. I did not take off the plastic yet as I wanted to test it"

That is what I was afraid of. Every Samsung phone I have owned had poor signal quality due to weak antennas. Glad I didn't return my Razr Maxx yet.
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Update. I went to verizon and got my sim replaced. Didn't help anything. Unless im in the city and on 4g i have basically no data connection. 4g flies but on 3g even with two or three bars it won't do anything 90% of the time. Whenever I try to browse web or play store I get something like no internet connection, check connection and retry. My sister also recieved her s3 today so I went over to her house to compare and hers is the same way. Im totally bummed out at the moment. Even driving between her house and mine, about 15 miles I was trying to update some apps and it didn't even finish one. Also while trying to talk on the phone the other persons voice is constantly cutting out. Keep in mind this is not out in the boonies.

This is opposite of my experience with my old nexus. It usually showed low signal but almost always worked.

Not to mention the lower left corner of my screen has a purple tint. Not trying to discourage anybody, you mileage my vary. Maybe I just got a bummed unit, but it doesn't look good that my sisters has the same connectivity issues.
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Well, after reading some of these threads, I just want to CRY! I know some of you said 4g is not an issue, and I suppose its not, but from my experience with the Galaxy Nexus, even 3g connection had issues. Now, my wifi thats a different story, as is the network extender, but sometimes the Nexus has issues with the extender in the same room.

I know, the nexus and the SIII are two different devices. Two different radios and such. To me, as was mentioned by another user previous here on this thread (I think?) I wonder if its verizons network. Seems like the GSM phones have far fewer issues. Sure, verizon has a large network and blazing speeds, but what good are they if you can't stay connected? Why does the droid and rezound not have the issues that the samsungs do? antenna design?

At any rate, I am about at my wits end with the nexus. There is NOTHING on verizon right now that I am interested in. AT&T seems to get a better selection of phones and at least I can import devices and use a prepaid sim card.

I really hope these reports on the VZW S3 are very few and far between, but... I don't know...
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My reception has been fine, good 4G signal. This is my first 4G phone and 4G just rolled out a few weeks around here.

I would calm down and see how it is for you before getting worked up.
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My report isn't too scientific lol. However, the spots where I had weak signals on my Droid X, I have no signal at all on the S3.
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Sitting in my bedroom, Kennesaw, GA, My wifes Bionic -87, my s3 -108.


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Coming from a TB i'd say the signal strength is equivalent. I was getting 75-78 in my room and on the S3 its 80.

I made a call today and it sounded very clean. I made another call to customer support since my unlimited was gone. I could hear the rep clearly but i had to ask him to repeat some things. Could have just been the connection.
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So the lower the dBm, the better? What is asu? what numbers should we be looking for?
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By the way nearly all have caved in for new devices and gone with the same radios. So that Razr HD is rumored to now have the same radio as the S3. CPU Testing numbers sent also show this. On the LTE side of the house there are a limited number of players in the multi core world. So many if not all have gone to Qualcomm.

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So it seems the only possibility for improvement is the antenna quality which is a pretty standard formula (although Apple found out the hard way how to wrongly do an antenna).

If Moto has gone by the S4 route then I would think they would have very similar performance.

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So many, if not all 4g carriers have gone to Qualcomm. They probably will. Before 4g, everyone was on Qualcomm. There are many factors that contribute to radio performance - overall network, radio, proximity to a tower, etc... But I think the one that applies here is the RIL. Everyone used Qualcomm 3g radios, but different brands with the same carrier would have differing radio performance. It is due to the RIL - the interface between the phones hardware and modem.

Here's an excellent read to further explain why Samsung's radio's appear to perform poorly, no matter what radio they use. RootzWiki
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Update. I went to verizon and got my sim replaced. Didn't help anything. Unless im in the city and on 4g i have basically no data connection. 4g flies but on 3g even with two or three bars it won't do anything 90% of the time. Whenever I try to browse web or play store I get something like no internet connection, check connection and retry. My sister also recieved her s3 today so I went over to her house to compare and hers is the same way. Im totally bummed out at the moment. Even driving between her house and mine, about 15 miles I was trying to update some apps and it didn't even finish one. Also while trying to talk on the phone the other persons voice is constantly cutting out. Keep in mind this is not out in the boonies.

This is opposite of my experience with my old nexus. It usually showed low signal but almost always worked.

Not to mention the lower left corner of my screen has a purple tint. Not trying to discourage anybody, you mileage my vary. Maybe I just got a bummed unit, but it doesn't look good that my sisters has the same connectivity issues.
that seems like you got a lemon. To many issues all in one to be the phone otherwise everyone would be packing them back up to return.
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And honestly I will decide once my sgs3 comes whether it is sufficient or not, getting worked up over what others are reporting is worthless, because unless they are standing right next to you everything is going to vary. Relax people take a deep breath it is only the first day. If this is another nexus type reception issue I am sure it will surface and once anandtech does their review we all show know.
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So many, if not all 4g carriers have gone to Qualcomm. They probably will. Before 4g, everyone was on Qualcomm. There are many factors that contribute to radio performance - overall network, radio, proximity to a tower, etc... But I think the one that applies here is the RIL. Everyone used Qualcomm 3g radios, but different brands with the same carrier would have differing radio performance. It is due to the RIL - the interface between the phones hardware and modem.

Here's an excellent read to further explain why Samsung's radio's appear to perform poorly, no matter what radio they use. RootzWiki
That rootwiki kept me for a little bit then...I started to feel retarted..I don't know for sure maybe it's the wine.
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So the lower the dBm, the better? What is asu? what numbers should we be looking for?
No, higher is better, or less negative. -80 is better than -83. Once a signal drops below -110 dBm or so, the receiver in the phone cannot differentiate the actual signal from noise. All receivers have noise. The "intelligence" or signal must be stronger than the noise, usually by about 10db.

On a side note: If the S3 truly has a horrible radio, would we be able to swap to a different phone AND keep our unlimited data?
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Ok, here's my story...

Activated online per instructions and everything went fine. Popped 4G SIM in add fired it up and it took a while, but completed the activation process. Checked My Verizon and it showed the S3 instead of the DX, no issues with my unlimited plan.

The phone auto-detected my wifi and connected fine. It had already started downloading apps over 3G, but switched over to wifi. Ever since then it will not connect to mobile data (3G)... It popped on to 1X for a little bit, but no 3G since 1st start up.

The real kicker is I have 4-5 bars of service with 70-75 dBm. Called my landline and left a message and the call was crystal clear from both ends. A couple of text messages came through fine too.

Right now I have no data connection. No clue about 4G since it's not available in my area yet.

One weird thing with the connection though. Just for the heck of it, I did a manual check for software updates. The 3G symbol popped up in the notification bar briefly, then disappeared.

Guess I'll be heading to the VZN store tomorrow to see if there are any tech bulletins by then...



EDIT!!! Not sure what happened, but I let the phone sit for a while with wifi off and if finally grabbed 3G and so far it is staying on.
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No, higher is better, or less negative. -80 is better than -83. Once a signal drops below -110 dBm or so, the receiver in the phone cannot differentiate the actual signal from noise. All receivers have noise. The "intelligence" or signal must be stronger than the noise, usually by about 10db.

On a side note: If the S3 truly has a horrible radio, would we be able to swap to a different phone AND keep our unlimited data?
doubtful that they would allow you to do that since the new contract would start when you went with the new phone.
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doubtful that they would allow you to do that since the new contract would start when you went with the new phone.
Not if you don't use a subsidy?
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I was all siked for the new Inc, but i see now it is sub-par and outdated before launch. I got excited to hear about this phone even though im not stoked to get a huge screen ... only to see now not only is it not released yet, but it also has issues.

after all these years, all these devices, hundreds of millions of users giving feedback .. can they not just build the sh*t right??
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No, higher is better, or less negative. -80 is better than -83. Once a signal drops below -110 dBm or so, the receiver in the phone cannot differentiate the actual signal from noise. All receivers have noise. The "intelligence" or signal must be stronger than the noise, usually by about 10db.

On a side note: If the S3 truly has a horrible radio, would we be able to swap to a different phone AND keep our unlimited data?
ahh I didnt notice the negative. I would have said higher is better if I put the negative into the equation lol. Pretty much what I was trying to say is the a dBm of 70 is better than a dBm of 100, right?

I still have my droid eris and the dBm is jumping between -77 & -85. Is that pretty decent?
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Ok, here's my story...

Activated online per instructions and everything went fine. Popped 4G SIM in add fired it up and it took a while, but completed the activation process. Checked My Verizon and it showed the S3 instead of the DX, no issues with my unlimited plan.

The phone auto-detected my wifi and connected fine. It had already started downloading apps over 3G, but switched over to wifi. Ever since then it will not connect to mobile data (3G)... It popped on to 1X for a little bit, but no 3G since 1st start up.

The real kicker is I have 4-5 bars of service with 70-75 dBm. Called my landline and left a message and the call was crystal clear from both ends. A couple of text messages came through fine too.

Right now I have no data connection. No clue about 4G since it's not available in my area yet.

One weird thing with the connection though. Just for the heck of it, I did a manual check for software updates. The 3G symbol popped up in the notification bar briefly, then disappeared.

Guess I'll be heading to the VZN store tomorrow to see if there are any tech bulletins by then...
might be a bit off topic, but if you have unlimited data...what is the point of connecting to wifi?
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might be a bit off topic, but if you have unlimited data...what is the point of connecting to wifi?
Wifi can be a million times faster depending on where you are.

Plus you can use data over voice on Wifi.
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Wifi can be a million times faster depending on where you are.

Plus you can use data over voice on Wifi.
ahh i see.
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might be a bit off topic, but if you have unlimited data...what is the point of connecting to wifi?
At the moment wifi is my only source of data... and it is quite a bit faster than 3G which is all I would have at home if it would connect to it...
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ahh I didnt notice the negative. I would have said higher is better if I put the negative into the equation lol. Pretty much what I was trying to say is the a dBm of 70 is better than a dBm of 100, right?

I still have my droid eris and the dBm is jumping between -77 & -85. Is that pretty decent?
+70dbm is worse than +100dbm if we're talking positive numbers. +70 dBm would be 10,000 watts! -70 is better than -100 dBm.
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+70dbm is worse than +100dbm if we're talking positive numbers. +70 dBm would be 10,000 watts! -70 is better than -100 dBm.
lol forgot the negatives again.
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went into the city and 4G is working and really fast, decibles read -98 going to head home and see if I can get connection therre. I really hope so because I like the phone but I require 4G for my usage.
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lol forgot the negatives again.
I figured you did. I thought it was funny that you explained your mistake only to do the same thing again; it cracked me up
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I was all siked for the new Inc, but i see now it is sub-par and outdated before launch. I got excited to hear about this phone even though im not stoked to get a huge screen ... only to see now not only is it not released yet, but it also has issues.

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Folks, unless comparing 3g to 3g, or 4g to 4g, not a good comparison.

If comparing 4g to 4g, but both not ICS, not a good comparison.

If you are in known weak areas and you compare if holds signal or not, good comparison.

If you are in any area and one device works and the other does not, good comparison.

The results here and other places combined so far are all over the place, so no real sense of trend yet. Of course, the real thing that matters is your own results. Friendly advice: If in doubt and not happy with signal, it is likely not to improve much if any, so "hoping" will not make it better.

Samsung historically for some reason SUCKS with antenna design and coupling that with the radio chip as a strong series system. Does the GS3 suck as well? Not sure in either direction yet, but the fact that results are varied so far and Samsung's awful history as well, not the best of trends.

Please keep testing and I look forward to joining next week ...... I hope I still have a smile face next week... My Razr since the ICS update has become a battery sucking demon and has to go. 4G mode went from bad to criminally awful. Nice smooth OS, but 4G is unusable for me now, unless near a power socket. Games and Flash run a lot hotter too. I should not have to deal with this with a stock device, so will bail from the Razr.

The GS3 was supposed to be my parachute!
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Ok, my 3G connection is working now. Speedtest was way faster then my DX could ever muster from my house too!
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Ok, my 3G connection is working now. Speedtest was way faster then my DX could ever muster from my house too!
Another one for our roller coaster of results Keep em commin'!

I got to mess with a non VZW version tonight and wish I did not, since have to wait until Tuesday (at least). Darn Best Buy. Bleh.
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Like pointed out by some of us, you can't directly compare dbm of 3G GB phone to 4G ICS phone as OS reads signal differently and kind of signal is different. I think it only makes sense to compare SIII on verizon to Gnex, Razr (with ICS) and Dinc 4G just released.
I get it and made sure to note that it is a 3G only phone. Sorry I don't have anything else but a 3G phone to post. Frankly, numbers are just numbers anyhow. Real world is what matters.

Whenever I get my S3 I'll post the numbers and let everyone know that direct comparisons can't be made...my own disclaimer. Cool?

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I never had a bad signal on nexus, had awesome signal. So i am sure be same on s3 for me.

P.S. not sure why but on Samsung phone my lte speeds are always faster than on other phones.
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I never had a bad signal on nexus, had awesome signal. So i am sure be same on s3 for me.
Sandy crappy battery life with the nexus.
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yep, back home and only on 3g sucks because this is a really cool phone wnd when on 4g it is SUPER fast. Alas I'm going to reactivate my tbolt tonight (vzw better not charge me a ridiculous fee > and see if anyone wants to trade for a razr maxx
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That was the down fall of the nexus for me and rebooting ha.

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It seems strange there is such a variance. On some other threads people are reporting it better than other phones they've had. Maybe some people just got lemons? At least with the nexus it seemed like everyone had issues. With the sgs3 not so much
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It seems strange there is such a variance. On some other threads people are reporting it better than other phones they've had. Maybe some people just got lemons? At least with the nexus it seemed like everyone had issues. With the sgs3 not so much
Not me.
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Ok, my 3G connection is working now. Speedtest was way faster then my DX could ever muster from my house too!
Please share how you resolved your problem.
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Please share how you resolved your problem.
Just let it sit with wifi turned off and it eventually connected. It was probably an hour or so. I am wondering if the built in auto wifi connect interfered with the SIM talking to the network, and it took longer than it should have.

So far my signal is holding in the -70 to -85 dBm range and 3G is staying connected.
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