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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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unplugged my phone this morning at 7am, have sent two text, checked fb once, and here it is 11am and my phone is telling me it's about to die. I have nothing synched, nor automatic updates, and nothing running in the backround. disabled most of the ATT bloatware too. have only had the phone 20 days. normally has lasted me well over 10 hours while using frequently and now, idk wtf is going on. any help? here's a pic of my battery history. Android system using 90%!? nevermind, new user and can't post pics yet :/ Well here's the breakdown

- android system 90%
- cell standby 6%
- screen 4%
- android OS 2%

3h 52m 34s on battery.

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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Can't see pic. If you've not used the phone, android system will be high. Its all got to add to 100% somehow.

Your timescales do sound bad though. Only screen shots would help really.
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Yes, but if Android system has makes up 90% of the 90% used, that means that Android system has used 81% of the battery in under 4 hours. That's not normal. I've had similar usage before (but not that bad) and could never figure out the cause. It would just get really hot and the battery would drop like a rock. The only thing that seemed to stop the usage was turning off mobile data, but that's not a very good solution. As soon as mobile data was turned back on, the battery drop started again.

Since then, I have rooted and put a ROM on and haven't had any more problems.
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no spare battery but will try and get my hands on one today. UNfotunately because I just registered they won't allow my pics to attach. ylexot, I did notice my phone was extremely warm this morning as well. I have a speck candyshell case on it and could still feel the heat through it. I have a data tracker and today i have used 2mb of mobile data.
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I have to ask... Is it a VZW S3?
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Yes, but if Android system has makes up 90% of the 90% used, that means that Android system has used 81% of the battery in under 4 hours. That's not normal. I've had similar usage before (but not that bad) and could never figure out the cause. It would just get really hot and the battery would drop like a rock. The only thing that seemed to stop the usage was turning off mobile data, but that's not a very good solution. As soon as mobile data was turned back on, the battery drop started again.

Since then, I have rooted and put a ROM on and haven't had any more problems.
Not sure you know how it works? It has to add up to 100% so are you expecting every application on the phone to equally using up? so %20%20%20%20%20?

Also, I personally think 10% in 4 hours is pretty normal, considering the first 2/3% of the battery isn't actually 100% anyway (so when it's 100% it's basically 97/98%) and 4 hours of 10% means 40 hours would be 100% completely dead. I don't see an issue here..?
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my battery level is AT 10% after 4 hours of practically no usage....
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That's not normal.
Thats what I said.
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this was a post i did on another thread. this might help you. it helped me.

if your using everything on stock with the galaxy s3 i recommend you putting the background processes on "no background processes".
go to settings ,developer options.
it also has the option right above limit background process called do not keep activities. that kills all apps that you enter so you dont have to back out of everything. so there is no need to install a task killer on the galaxy s3.

and i do have another tip for you all out there... if your using a downloaded home replacement launcher, a way of putting a task manager widget on your phone is, long press the home screen , go to shortcuts,activites, then scroll down to task manager... there you go, there is no need to download one from the android market,google play whatever it is now. some people out there think it doesnt come with one but it does.just hard to find lol.
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Not sure you know how it works? It has to add up to 100% so are you expecting every application on the phone to equally using up? so %20%20%20%20%20?

Also, I personally think 10% in 4 hours is pretty normal, considering the first 2/3% of the battery isn't actually 100% anyway (so when it's 100% it's basically 97/98%) and 4 hours of 10% means 40 hours would be 100% completely dead. I don't see an issue here..?
Not sure you understood the OP. They went from 100% battery to 10% battery in 4 hours. That would be a 90% battery drop.

Yes, all of the items in the battery usage list should add up to 100% (probably a typo somewhere in the OP, but that's irrelevant). If Android system was responsible for 90% of the battery drain and the battery has drained 90%, then the Android system has used 0.9 x 0.9 = 0.81 or 81% of the battery.

I'm an aerospace engineer. Don't challenge me on math.
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Not sure you understood the OP. They went from 100% battery to 10% battery in 4 hours. That would be a 90% battery drop.

Yes, all of the items in the battery usage list should add up to 100% (probably a typo somewhere in the OP, but that's irrelevant). If Android system was responsible for 90% of the battery drain and the battery has drained 90%, then the Android system has used 0.9 x 0.9 = 0.81 or 81% of the battery.
Thats what I was trying to say. 90% of not very much for Android system is fine in itself. Just not getting to 10% in these time scales.

My recommendation Is Purchasing (or using XDA membership to get free) "Better Battery Stats".

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Today my battery life was terrible as well. Only thing I changed was adding about 25 gigs of music to the phone. Did some research and it seems this can cause more battery loss. I'm going to remove a bunch of music and see if things change.
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Not sure you understood the OP. They went from 100% battery to 10% battery in 4 hours. That would be a 90% battery drop.

Yes, all of the items in the battery usage list should add up to 100% (probably a typo somewhere in the OP, but that's irrelevant). If Android system was responsible for 90% of the battery drain and the battery has drained 90%, then the Android system has used 0.9 x 0.9 = 0.81 or 81% of the battery.

I'm an aerospace engineer. Don't challenge me on math.
I got a C in maths GCSE, come at me brah? l0l.

Wow I definitely though he ment it dropped 10% in 4 hours..I was like, that's fine? I'm done here
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You sir have been possessed by the gsiff demon . Reboot your phone and join the club I called Samsung about this and they said sorry.... you must root to delete
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Settings > dev options > cpu over lay ... you will see gsiff_daemon eating your cpu .
Reboot is only way for unroot to get rid of it temporarily. All credit for this goes to Rachel
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Have a love/hate relationship with Juice Defender.

I don't like the fact that the software turns my radio (Wifi, Bluetooth and phone) at will.

When the phone is idle in my pocket, I want to be able to receive mail and text notifications. This is almost impossible when using JuiceDefender.

There is a setting to turn on the radio signals every 5 minutes to check for mail and such, but I haven't used it yet and don't know how well it works.

On the upside, most people that have JuiceDefender are reporting that it does wonders for battery life.
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Have a love/hate relationship with Juice Defender.

I don't like the fact that the software turns my radio (Wifi, Bluetooth and phone) at will.

When the phone is idle in my pocket, I want to be able to receive mail and text notifications. This is almost impossible when using JuiceDefender.

There is a setting to turn on the radio signals every 5 minutes to check for mail and such, but I haven't used it yet and don't know how well it works.

On the upside, most people that have JuiceDefender are reporting that it does wonders for battery life.
I use JD and get text notifications with no problem. Do you have it set so you can't get them? JD does not seem to help with the problem that the OP has. I have had JD on my phone since day one and I had this problem the other day. It seems to have gone away for now.
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mak916,

I do see the customizable settings. However, it seems to me that I am defeating the purpose of even having this program in the first place as I have disabled anything that turns off my phone's radios (WiFi, Cell Service, Bluetooth), which are the biggest battery drainers.

Am I getting text messages with it running? Can't say as the phone is new and since installing Juice Defender two days ago, there haven't been any.

However, on default settings, all my radios would turn off once I put the phone in my pocket.
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So, here's an update this morning. Yesterday I turned my phone off and back on (did not restart.) battery levels seemed normal throughout the evening. Charged my phone overnight like usual and took it off the charger this morning around the same time. I've used my phone about 10 times as much as i did yesterday and here's the report (again, can't post pics because i'm a new user :/)

3h 16m on battery
battery level 82%

- screen 52%
- cell standby 30%
- Android OS 6%
- Android system 6% (compared to yesterdays 90%)
I also checked cpu usage yesterday and it was like 3h 45m. today it is showing 1m 54s.

seems for some reason yesterday cpu was blowing up.

Rogue, I checked the cpu overlay today for the gsiff_daemon, but didn't see it (although today things have been working great)
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Well that is your problem it shows up when your phone forces a hot boot and its drains the batter in just a short time if you have rebooted you have gotten rid of it. And it shows up on battery usage as android system . You don't need all these battery apps like these dudes are saying just if you notice a fast drain put up the cpu and sooner or later you will see gsiff
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Unplugged, full charge

In my pocket less than an hour.

96%

Within 2 hours casual use 84%

I can see already this won't make it an entire day.
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Rogue how did I acquire this gsiff_daemon?? just curious if I did something or it was a gift from samsung with my phone.
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Where can I find this, gentlemen?

Also, I must admit that I am rooted and pushed my CPU all the way up using SetCPU, though I am *guessing* it only pushes it to the limit when needed.

Before anyone yells at me, I had this battery problem prior to using SetCPU.

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Could you install an application called Elixir 2?

There is a section called "running" you can click on the four lines at the top (settings) and select sort by "CPU". Who is listed at the top when this happens?

This program works similar to TOP on Linux where it refreshes every second or so with the top processes and how much CPU they are using at the time. This is realtime data rather than looking at post incident figures. Do this while it is happening and see if you have a rogue/runaway process/service.

So the next time your phone is dropping battery and heating up significantly run this app and see who/what is the culprit. Report back here when you have some data.

I just had this happen again on a VZW S3. I was just looking for a "TOP" application to see who is hogging CPU and or Memory. Found Elixir 2 and it looks like a pretty good app.
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Unplugged, full charge

In my pocket less than an hour.

96%

Within 2 hours casual use 84%

I can see already this won't make it an entire day.
You really need better battery stats to find out whats going on..
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Better Battery is a post event battery usage data set which is one way to track this. Another which should be looked at is in realtime with a TOP utility such as Elixir 2.
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id love to post my homescreen, but the file size is too big. do you guys really re-size all of your cell phone screen shots to post here? just seems like a pain in the ass.

anyway... i am having terrible battery problems to the point of me reconsidering this purchase. i love everything about this phone but the fact i have to jump through several hoops to minimize battery drain is ridiculous.

keep in mind i dont live near an LTE zone.
quick overview of my battery status at 34%. 10 hours draining, but 7 of those were when i was asleep and not using the phone at all.
i "minimized background activity" on apps.

during this discharge:
android system: 69%
lightflow:10%
cell standby:10%
android os:5%
(the rest were under 3%)

so android system was the killer, and using better battery stats, i found that "bam_dmux_wakelock" was the culprit.

can anyone give me a damn solution besides cutting mobile data. its a goddamn cellphone i should be able to get decent battery life because there are some people that are raving about it.

i can't find anything on here and i know calling samsung ill get some tech support idiot who wont be able to help.

what should i do?
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id love to post my homescreen, but the file size is too big. do you guys really re-size all of your cell phone screen shots to post here? just seems like a pain in the ass.

anyway... i am having terrible battery problems to the point of me reconsidering this purchase. i love everything about this phone but the fact i have to jump through several hoops to minimize battery drain is ridiculous.

keep in mind i dont live near an LTE zone.
quick overview of my battery status at 34%. 10 hours draining, but 7 of those were when i was asleep and not using the phone at all.
i "minimized background activity" on apps.

during this discharge:
android system: 69%
lightflow:10%
cell standby:10%
android os:5%
(the rest were under 3%)

so android system was the killer, and using better battery stats, i found that "bam_dmux_wakelock" was the culprit.

can anyone give me a damn solution besides cutting mobile data. its a goddamn cellphone i should be able to get decent battery life because there are some people that are raving about it.

i can't find anything on here and i know calling samsung ill get some tech support idiot who wont be able to help.

what should i do?
What? You can just take a screenshot on your phone and go to tinypic.com or wherever and upload it and it will display in full size..?
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alright ill give it a go, in the mean time i provided some info about what is eating away at my battery. any help?
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alright ill give it a go, in the mean time i provided some info about what is eating away at my battery. any help?
Alright well I saw a post here someone suggesting that you go to XDA developers and download the free version of BetterBatteryStats or get it from Play Store.

If you don't want to, we'll then, that's one route, the alternative is to get Gsam Battery Monitor. Install this, fully charged your phone, then go along with your day until battery is low again, and report back with its report.

You will be tapping on App Usage and from there you will %'s.. Report those here, and then on the white dropdown, tap the View Time Held Awakening and the View Num Times Waking Device, and report the stats here too.

Screen shots would be better.

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alright ill give it a go, in the mean time i provided some info about what is eating away at my battery. any help?
Sorry, didn't see your other posts, but do what I mentioned before, and in addition, get Watchdog Lite, and monitor it yourself for a couple when you have time. I found something using over 50% CPU with this, killed it, un installed, and good to go for me.

Try it.

Also... In BBS, tap Menu button and tap More, tap Graphs and post a screen shot of that as well. Please do this alongside the Gsam Reports so that both apps report the same usage you put on the phone since unplugged. And whatever you do, please don't reboot your phone.
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Gsiff daemon comes from Samsung you don't need an app to find out if that is your culprit if your battery is dieing fast and or your phone is hot go to .
Settings {system} developer options > scroll down and check the box that says cpu usage and then you will see a list in top right if gsiff is the issue it will be the second thing on the cpu overlay if it's there reboot and it will go away for a while call Samsung and complain do maybe they will stop ignoring this and fix it
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ok here are my screen shots using gsam battery.







clearly android system and i guess "radio" are keeping my phone awake the entire time. as you can see smdexe is the first culprit but not sure if thats listed by most to least used with the processor.

anyone that can help, greatly appreciated! cannot enjoy my phone anymore because of this issue.
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Old October 6th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I had the same problem...phone was faulty, got a new phone and added apps one at a time..initial battery drain was 3% per hr, upon adding lightflow app it went up to 10% per hr...deleted app and phone is fine....check your apps...
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IN RELATION TO GSIFF_DAEMON

do any of you guys have the "increase volume in pocket" setting on in phone-->settings?

also do any of you have motion settings enabled and/or autorotation on?

Seems it has to do with the gyro issue

also are you guys rooted or non-rooted?
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