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Old September 12th, 2012, 12:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm reading the live blog for the iPhone 5 announcement right now and can't believe how spot-on predictable and non-innovative this phone is turning out to be.

I have a feeling this thing is going to turn away a lot of iPhone users... Samsung better plan on ramping up production.

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There's still loads of people it will suit. It'll take more than an incremental specification upgrade to damage them beyond the point of no return.
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Have to say, so far the specs look shite. Unless they drop a bombshell and have priced it very low, I think that even the sheep will begin to realise they aren't worth the money.
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I think apple and the new iPhone will do just fine, I'm pretty sure they aren't all that worried to be fair to them.
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It will break all sorts of sales records, but it is a HUGE bust imo. I wonder how long they'll be able to get away with such shitty updates to their prodcuts. I'd be pissed if I were an Apple fanboy right now.
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The sheeple will still buy it whatever the screen size and specifications.


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The specs won't be worth mentioning and it's still gonna sell well because apple has built a customer base with strong brand loyalty. An iphone user won't be able to say they have a superior phone but they're still gonna buy apple simply because it's apple.

Many android users would probably buy iphones if they were seen to be truly superior technology. Not the same for iphone users to android.
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Same price as the 4s......fail :-)
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I think apple and the new iPhone will do just fine, I'm pretty sure they aren't all that worried to be fair to them.
Sadly, you are probably correct! I guess some people need to keep Apple in business.

Thankfully it's not me.
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I'm really surprised they skipped NFC, I thought for sure they'd implement that. Unless I missed that announcement.
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I'm really surprised they skipped NFC, I thought for sure they'd implement that. Unless I missed that announcement.
than Samsung would sue Apple lol
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The specs won't be worth mentioning and it's still gonna sell well because apple has built a customer base with strong brand loyalty. An iphone user won't be able to say they have a superior phone but they're still gonna buy apple simply because it's apple.

Many android users would probably buy iphones if they were seen to be truly superior technology. Not the same for iphone users to android.
I think you're correct... to a degree. At some point though, even loyal iPhone owners are going to want something fresh. I mean, the iphone originally attracted boat loads of people BECAUSE it was fresh and new. Those same people now, call them the 'independent voters' of the phone world, are more than likely a little bored, and looking for a substantial update to justify the cost of upgrading.

I mean really, the iPhone pretty much looks and "feels" the same way it did in 2007.

Android, although sucky in 2008, adapted to what customers wanted, and is now something that is genuinely desirable. This is really the difference between iPhone and Android. With Android, customer wants drive design. With iPhone, you are told whats cool and necessary.
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To be fair, all Apple need is a 2 word Ad campaign:

"New iPhone"

...and they're laughing.

It's been like this for years. Since the iPod. It was never the best on the market, but outsold everything else.
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I made the mistake of recommending an Android phone to my sister. She does not appreciate the customization. I have since recommended the iPhone to 2 other siblings for it's easy of use and user friendliness. There's plenty of phones for everyone to have their own preferences.
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I'm really surprised they skipped NFC, I thought for sure they'd implement that. Unless I missed that announcement.
It's the way Apple operates; slow with the 'new' features so it can be a 'big' announcement and the fans can jump all over it.

Can't fault them though; they are doing pretty well for a company
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There's plenty of phones for everyone to have their own preferences.
This discussion is (untypically) not about judging or frowning upon anyone's preference. Rather it's about the cashcow machine selling a minor upgrade for a lot of money and getting away with it.
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I think you're correct... to a degree. At some point though, even loyal iPhone owners are going to want something fresh. I mean, the iphone originally attracted boat loads of people BECAUSE it was fresh and new. Those same people now, call them the 'independent voters' of the phone world, are more than likely a little bored, and looking for a substantial update to justify the cost of upgrading.

I mean really, the iPhone pretty much looks and "feels" the same way it did in 2007.
Exactly. I got bored of iPhone/iOS and wanted a change. I get bored easily which might explain why I'm on Wife 3.0
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This discussion is (untypically) not about judging or frowning upon anyone's preference. Rather it's about the cashcow machine selling a minor upgrade for a lot of money and getting away with it.
Another patent battle?....... HTC was waiting for this....here is an article that was posted a few days ago...

HTC patent case could mean trouble for Apple's new iPhone :: Editor's Blog at WRAL Tech Wire
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Guys, you gotta consider that the majority of the iPhone users don't even look at the specs of the phone. Android users, for that matter, care a lot more. An average iPhone user, if money isn't that much of a problem, would gladly upgrade his 4s to the 5 with no regrets. That's how it is.
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Another patent battle?....... HTC was waiting for this....here is an article that was posted a few days ago...

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Haven't google/Moto got a similar patent case too?
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So the i5 is going to have a larger screen and the unit will be thinner? Just like a GS3!! I think Samsung should sue the arse off them, the bloomin copycats :-)
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Haven't google/Moto got a similar patent case too?
I believe they have at least 3 others.....

different patent suits in different countries
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but wait, its got new "ultrafast" wireless.............N
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you can tell they are scared of samsung as they say "iphone5 is made for the hand, samsung is made for humans"
Did they really say that? That actually sounds like a negative for the iP5 to me. It's like saying that the iP5 is made for the hand, but the S3 is made for the whole person (which typically includes hands).
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Did they really say that? That actually sounds like a negative for the iP5 to me. It's like saying that the iP5 is made for the hand, but the S3 is made for the whole person (which typically includes hands).
Humans can use their voice too, for voice activation....
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Did they really say that? That actually sounds like a negative for the iP5 to me. It's like saying that the iP5 is made for the hand, but the S3 is made for the whole person (which typically includes hands).
yes they did
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Another patent battle?....... HTC was waiting for this....here is an article that was posted a few days ago...

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Haven't google/Moto got a similar patent case too?
Add Samsung to the list as well.
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Apple launches iPhone 5: Lighter, taller, thinner and faster — Apple News, Tips and Reviews
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Even with the 4-inch 1136 x 640 display, the new iPhone 5 appears ideal for one-handed use. “Apple designs phones for hands, Samsung designs phones for humans,” said Apple CEO, Tim Cook, alluding to the large, 5.5-inch Samsung Galaxy Note 2 that’s part phone, part tablet. Apple integrated the touch sensors into the display, helping to make the phone thin and light: 18 percent thinner and 20 percent lighter than the iPhone 4S.
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I'm as much an android fan as anyone here, but objectively speaking, the iPhone 5 IS a significant upgrade over the iPhone 4S. It's noticeably thinner and lighter, has a larger screen, has a next generation faster processor, and offers LTE. On paper, it also promises better color saturation, great battery life, and better call and speaker quality.

Obviously when comparing it to current Android phones, which offer many, if not all of these features already, it may not be a big deal. And I still would not give up my S3 for the iPhone 5. However, to current owners of iPhones, it's a far bigger upgrade than the iPhone 4 to 4S and offers many incentives to upgrade. And to those on the fence between an Android and iPhone, it does make the decision tougher to make. Just trying to keep it real.
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Hahahahaha

Is that all this phone has? Seriously?
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Virtually every feature announced for this phone is Apple playing catch-up with the rest of the industry. I am stunned.
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my son is very angry, he just bought two i phone 4S three week ago the Verinon store told them that they didn't know when the new i 5 was coming out. he paid the same price that the 8g is selling for. I just talked to him and he is getting in touch with verizon to ether upgrade to the i5 or get a rebate.
PS he had to take one back after a week it would use the batterer up in two hours. they gave his a new phone.
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my son is very angry, he just bought two i phone 4S three week ago the Verinon store told them that they didn't know when the new i 5 was coming out. he paid the same price that the 8g is selling for. I just talked to him and he is getting in touch with verizon to ether upgrade to the i5 or get a rebate.
PS he had to take one back after a week it would use the batterer up in two hours. they gave his a new phone.
Why would he buy two iPhones 4S' 1 month away from the iPhone 5 announcement? Today's big event has been known for several weeks now.
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This is exactly what I said in my initial post. The majority of iphone users aren't going to care about how outdated the tech is on this phone.

Brand loyalty man, brand loyalty.
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my son is very angry, he just bought two i phone 4S three week ago the Verinon store told them that they didn't know when the new i 5 was coming out. he paid the same price that the 8g is selling for. I just talked to him and he is getting in touch with verizon to ether upgrade to the i5 or get a rebate.
PS he had to take one back after a week it would use the batterer up in two hours. they gave his a new phone.
In fairness a quick google 2 weeks ago would have told him of the iPhone 5 announcement (or at least that it was due very soon)
Verizon want sales and got what they wanted.

For people happy with the iPhone for the last few years this is exactly what they wanted. I look forward to MANY discussions with people I know over how great the iPhone 5 is
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i got sick of my iphone bc it was basically the same thing with every model. but those apple followers really are pretty nuts, you know they are going to be calling the new iphone the greatest invention on earth no matter what specs it has.
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I'm really surprised they skipped NFC, I thought for sure they'd implement that. Unless I missed that announcement.
They have to save something for next year
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1. theres not a large enough take up on nfc and the reality of nfc is just to get more indentifiable information on users

2. apple dont need to do the above as all of their user use itunes or icloud and have to submit credit card details just to get free apps from the app store

3. top companies have signed up to ipocket blah blah for money transfers (copied from o2 wallet)
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1. theres not a large enough take up on nfc and the reality of nfc is just to get more indentifiable information on users

2. apple dont need to do the above as all of their user use itunes or icloud and have to submit credit card details just to get free apps from the app store

3. top companies have signed up to ipocket blah blah for money transfers (copied from o2 wallet)
It was a joke..
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apple and their iphone's will never beat Samsung or any other android device. apple is brainless.. i seen nothing diffrent in there iphone lines other than size and some lil hardware software fixes.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Apple is a joke! It took them 5 iphones to finally have it 4G?!

I can't believe they called the new iphone features "revolutionary" and "never been seen before". Most Android devises have had these "new Apple features" for over a year.
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No wonder they were/are so keen to sue Samsung.

The new processor is pointless because its strangled by iOS6. You wont be able to run anything on a 5 that you can't run on a 4 or 4s.
Apple camp have criticised the so called "fragmentation" in Android, ironically the lack of "fragmentation" is now crippling their devices because they can't differentiate when they have capable hardware.

LTE may be useful to you USA folk, but over here we don't even have a publicly available LTE network (coming soon).. when we do it will be extra expense and have poor coverage (HSDPA isn't great). The final nail in that coffin is that its exclusive to one carrier until 2014..

The 5 will sell bucket loads, not because its the best device but because its the fashion accessory of the moment.
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The 5 will sell bucket loads, not because its the best device but because its the fashion accessory of the moment.
I'm not even sure about that. It's tough to visually tell the difference between the 4, 4S, and 5. So unless you're shoving the 5 in somebody's face (which is pretty obnoxious), people are probably just going to see "iPhone".
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Haven't google/Moto got a similar patent case too?

and samsung. Samsung have the majority of the LTE patents (12% I think) and apple have bought some too. I think it is more of a bargaining chip to stop the lawsuits
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No wonder they were/are so keen to sue Samsung.

The new processor is pointless because its strangled by iOS6. You wont be able to run anything on a 5 that you can't run on a 4 or 4s.
Apple camp have criticised the so called "fragmentation" in Android, ironically the lack of "fragmentation" is now crippling their devices because they can't differentiate when they have capable hardware.

LTE may be useful to you USA folk, but over here we don't even have a publicly available LTE network (coming soon).. when we do it will be extra expense and have poor coverage (HSDPA isn't great). The final nail in that coffin is that its exclusive to one carrier until 2014..

The 5 will sell bucket loads, not because its the best device but because its the fashion accessory of the moment.
The fragmentation debate is about to get interesting. The Apple App Store is currently divided into 2 sections. One for iPhone/iPod Touch, the other for iPad. This is, I suspect, due to iOS not allowing resolution scaling. Now they are introducing 2 new form factors to their product line. The iPhone 5 and the iPad Mini. So, does this now mean that there will be 4 sections to the App Store? Where if you publish an app, you now have to make 4 different versions so that your app is compatible with all available form factors?

I also heard that if you bought an iPhone app, and then get an iPad and want to put that app on your iPad as well, you have to buy the iPad version separately. If this is true (I do not know as I've not owned an iPad), and then there has to be 4 different sections, then that is going to aggravate a lot of customers.

At the very least, pushing the need to scale on the individual app developers seems kind of wrong to me.
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The fragmentation debate is about to get interesting. The Apple App Store is currently divided into 2 sections. One for iPhone/iPod Touch, the other for iPad. This is, I suspect, due to iOS not allowing resolution scaling. Now they are introducing 2 new form factors to their product line. The iPhone 5 and the iPad Mini. So, does this now mean that there will be 4 sections to the App Store? Where if you publish an app, you now have to make 4 different versions so that your app is compatible with all available form factors?

I also heard that if you bought an iPhone app, and then get an iPad and want to put that app on your iPad as well, you have to buy the iPad version separately. If this is true (I do not know as I've not owned an iPad), and then there has to be 4 different sections, then that is going to aggravate a lot of customers.

At the very least, pushing the need to scale on the individual app developers seems kind of wrong to me.

I only found out about this the other day. I asked someone about an app (I forget which) and they said "Yeah you can get it for the ipad but not the iphone" and I was like "whassat?"
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