Go Back   Android Forums > Android Phones > Samsung Galaxy S3

Find everything you need for the Galaxy S5 and discuss it in our S5 forum!
Have you seen that OnePlus One's awesome camera?? The forum is over here!

Like Tree7Likes
  • 1 Post By En4cer2k11
  • 1 Post By nyrmetros
  • 1 Post By SUroot
  • 1 Post By dynomot
  • 1 Post By Shotgun84
  • 1 Post By SUroot
  • 1 Post By Gmash

test: Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old February 16th, 2013, 04:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Gender: Male
Posts: 218
 
Device(s): ASUS Nexus 7 (2012, 32GB), Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Carrier: T-Mobile

Thanks: 6
Thanked 20 Times in 17 Posts
Send a message via AIM to En4cer2k11 Send a message via Yahoo to En4cer2k11
Default Are super thin phones a detriment to their own battery life?

Here's what I gather. There's so many phones out there (including the Galaxy S III) where a lot of owners complain about poor battery life. I hear a lot of people complain about how whatever stock battery is thrown in there is too low for practical usage. But then when you look at all the different varieties of extended capacity batteries out there, they always come packaged with proprietary back covers because the batteries themselves are often twice the thickness of the actual phone and won't fit otherwise.

It appears to me, with insufficient technical knowledge of batteries or voltage, that higher capacity batteries require greater physical space to house whatever the inner workings are. And yet, phone manufacturers appear hell bent on making their phones as devoid of physical space as humanly possible. That being the case, despite all the high end processors and super HD screens, wireless radios, gps, and the whole nine yards, is it possible that the sheer thinness of smartphones nowadays are THE CAUSE of what's holding them back in the battery life department?

I mean, at what point to we come to the limit as far as how much stuff one can cram into such a tiny case before we realize that a sufficient power source ALSO needs to go in there somewhere? And judging from these "extended" batteries, they apparently need a certain amount of room that these current phone designs simply do not allow. Do they seriously not think about this, or is that ALSO a part of their design, to deliberately gimp the phone to force you to buy extra batteries?

Coming from a G2 and a Galaxy Player, the Galaxy S III is uncomfortably thin to where I feel like I need a case, not for protection, but just make it thick enough to hold in my hand and NOT worry about it slipping out of my hands. And I'm already an overly careful person with my electronics. How thin does a phone really NEED to be? Will we eventually have paper-thin phones in the future?
nyrmetros likes this.

En4cer2k11 is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to En4cer2k11 For This Useful Post:
KOLIO (February 16th, 2013)
sponsored links
Old February 16th, 2013, 04:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
ROM Developer
 
SUroot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Riddlesden, West Yorkshire, UK
Posts: 23,926
 
Device(s): SGS3 (Current) HTC Desire (Retired)
Carrier: 3 UK

Thanks: 1,923
Thanked 5,320 Times in 3,994 Posts
Default

For those of us who aren't as tall or big handed as the rest, a thin phone is a must if we want a big screen. Our pockets are only so big (Smaller people have proportionately smaller pockets) and our hands can only wrap around so much. The S3 is a huge phone for me. The thinness suits I say. The 2100mAh battery supplied is a huge capacity compared to some other phones.

Sure it could stand to be a bigger capacity but there comes a point where with this size screen and a thicker body, I wouldn't be able to use the phone. That said, I do have a UAG case on it and I can still get my hands around it.

Rumour is Samsung has an extended battery with another back cover now too.

I've had upto 6 hours screen on time in a day without the need for a charge. What exactly is "practical use"?
SUroot is offline  
Last edited by SUroot; February 16th, 2013 at 05:07 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 312
 
Device(s): HTC Thunderbolt and Samsung Galaxy S3
Carrier: Verizon

Thanks: 0
Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts
Default

There are quite a few people (myself included) that would rather have a thick phone packed with a monster battery, plus it would be easier for some of us to hold in our hands. Whether or not we are the silent minority I don't know. However I 100% agree with you.
Heavyweightgd6 likes this.
nyrmetros is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to nyrmetros For This Useful Post:
KOLIO (February 16th, 2013)
Old February 16th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Shotgun84's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posts: 5,243
 
Device(s): Galaxy S4 GT-I9505 ROM: WanamLite, Kernel: KT-SGS4
Carrier: 3UK

Thanks: 1,612
Thanked 3,034 Times in 1,814 Posts
Default

I can see your point but I'd rather a thin phone than a massive battery. For my use it'll easily last me until I'm next at a power point. A thinner phone doesn't always mean you lack decent battery life. The s3 is thinner than the s2 yet my battery now is far better than when I had my s2. You've also got to consider that tech is being developed to use less power. Although the cpu is faster in the s3 it uses less battery than in the s2 so the extra battery life you might lose by not making the phone slightly thicker you may gain back elsewhere.
Shotgun84 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
ROM Developer
 
SUroot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Riddlesden, West Yorkshire, UK
Posts: 23,926
 
Device(s): SGS3 (Current) HTC Desire (Retired)
Carrier: 3 UK

Thanks: 1,923
Thanked 5,320 Times in 3,994 Posts
Default

Well whereas it's easier to make a thin phone thick than a thick phone thin and both are desired, I think Samsung made the right choice.
Shotgun84 likes this.
SUroot is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SUroot For This Useful Post:
Shotgun84 (February 16th, 2013)
Old February 16th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #6 (permalink)
Moderator
 
jhawkkw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 9,384
 
Device(s): Nexus 5, HP 14 Chomebook, Google Glass, LTE Nexus 7(2013), Logitech Revue, Chromecast
Carrier: T-Mobile USA

Thanks: 2,728
Thanked 5,852 Times in 3,306 Posts
jhawkkw
Default Re: Are super thin phones a detriment to their own battery life?

But then you see Motorola make a relatively thin phone with a large capacity battery like the Razr Maxx/HD Maxx. It really surprises me that no other company has done this considering that battery life is usually the #1 complaint about smartphones.
__________________
Site Rules/Guidelines / Meet the Team
If something needs attention, Report it .
If someone helped you, hit to show it.

Current Devices: Nexus 5, HP 14 Chromebook (Data Enabled), Google Glass, (2013) LTE Nexus 7, Logitech Revue, Chromecast
Retired: Samsung Fascinate, Droid Charge, Galaxy Nexus, (2012) WiFi Nexus 7, Asus TF700, Nexus 4
jhawkkw is online now  
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to jhawkkw For This Useful Post:
Heavyweightgd6 (February 16th, 2013), KOLIO (February 16th, 2013)
Old February 16th, 2013, 11:37 AM   #7 (permalink)
ROM Developer
 
SUroot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Riddlesden, West Yorkshire, UK
Posts: 23,926
 
Device(s): SGS3 (Current) HTC Desire (Retired)
Carrier: 3 UK

Thanks: 1,923
Thanked 5,320 Times in 3,994 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhawkkw View Post
But then you see Motorola make a relatively thin phone with a large capacity battery like the Razr Maxx/HD Maxx. It really surprises me that no other company has done this considering that battery life is usually the #1 complaint about smartphones.
Doesn't amaze me at all. Moto have managed to get such a thin battery into the device by not wasting space by making it removable. Many people in teh smartphone world will opt for a smaller removable battery than a larger, fixed battery. I wont buy any device without a removable battery.
SUroot is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SUroot For This Useful Post:
Gmash (February 17th, 2013)
Old February 16th, 2013, 11:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
Moderator
 
jhawkkw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 9,384
 
Device(s): Nexus 5, HP 14 Chomebook, Google Glass, LTE Nexus 7(2013), Logitech Revue, Chromecast
Carrier: T-Mobile USA

Thanks: 2,728
Thanked 5,852 Times in 3,306 Posts
jhawkkw
Default Re: Are super thin phones a detriment to their own battery life?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUroot View Post
Doesn't amaze me at all. Moto have managed to get such a thin battery into the device by not wasting space by making it removable. Many people in teh smartphone world will opt for a smaller removable battery than a larger, fixed battery. I wont buy any device without a removable battery.
I do like the idea of the removable battery more, my Gnex has one and I love that feature. But with so many devices going the non-removable battery route, like the One X, Nexus 4/Optimus G, etc, it surprises me that they're still putting roughly the same capacity battery as the removable ones instead of following Moto's lead. Just my opinion though.
jhawkkw is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2013, 12:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
dynomot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Sheffield U.K
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,064
 
Device(s): SGSII (GT-i9100)-SOLD SGSIII(GT-i9300)-SOLD SGS4 (GT-i9505)-SOLD
Carrier: Vodafone UK

Thanks: 314
Thanked 340 Times in 263 Posts
Default

I have to agree with Shotty, the SGSIII battery lasts a hell of a lot longer than the SGSII's.

I guess it is a compromise between size and battery capacity. I too would always go for a removable battery. I've never had a problem with any phone running out of juice, I always hsve a charger within reach.
Shotgun84 likes this.
__________________
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 SM-N9005
ROOTED STOCK FIRMWARE PHILZ TOUCH RECOVERY

"The only foolish question is the question not asked"-Anon
dynomot is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dynomot For This Useful Post:
Shotgun84 (February 16th, 2013)
Old February 16th, 2013, 12:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Shotgun84's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posts: 5,243
 
Device(s): Galaxy S4 GT-I9505 ROM: WanamLite, Kernel: KT-SGS4
Carrier: 3UK

Thanks: 1,612
Thanked 3,034 Times in 1,814 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynomot View Post
I have to agree with Shotty
Really? That doesn't happen often enough to really know what my reaction should be. Pleased? Surprised? Yeah probably surprised. Who'd of thunk sometimes I do make sense




dynomot likes this.
Shotgun84 is offline  
Reply With Quote
sponsored links
Old February 16th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
ROM Developer
 
SUroot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Riddlesden, West Yorkshire, UK
Posts: 23,926
 
Device(s): SGS3 (Current) HTC Desire (Retired)
Carrier: 3 UK

Thanks: 1,923
Thanked 5,320 Times in 3,994 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhawkkw View Post
I do like the idea of the removable battery more, my Gnex has one and I love that feature. But with so many devices going the non-removable battery route, like the One X, Nexus 4/Optimus G, etc, it surprises me that they're still putting roughly the same capacity battery as the removable ones instead of following Moto's lead. Just my opinion though.
Ah yes, you have a point there. If you're going to make it fixed, make it good! At least with the S3, I have a choice if it's not big enough, I can change it.
jhawkkw likes this.
SUroot is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 16th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
Member
Thread Author (OP)
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Gender: Male
Posts: 218
 
Device(s): ASUS Nexus 7 (2012, 32GB), Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Carrier: T-Mobile

Thanks: 6
Thanked 20 Times in 17 Posts
Send a message via AIM to En4cer2k11 Send a message via Yahoo to En4cer2k11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUroot View Post
For those of us who aren't as tall or big handed as the rest, a thin phone is a must if we want a big screen. Our pockets are only so big (Smaller people have proportionately smaller pockets) and our hands can only wrap around so much. The S3 is a huge phone for me. The thinness suits I say. The 2100mAh battery supplied is a huge capacity compared to some other phones.

Sure it could stand to be a bigger capacity but there comes a point where with this size screen and a thicker body, I wouldn't be able to use the phone. That said, I do have a UAG case on it and I can still get my hands around it.

Rumour is Samsung has an extended battery with another back cover now too.

I've had upto 6 hours screen on time in a day without the need for a charge. What exactly is "practical use"?
I never gave the impression that EVERYBODY shared my opinion on phone size or battery size, my point was that there are a number of people who DO have issue with whatever their default battery life is. I was speaking from their perspective. It seems to me that phone size has an impact on the size of battery that can be put inside of it. Just look at the Galaxy S III and the S III Mini. The smaller one has a proportionately smaller battery. Likewise, larger devices typically have more room for larger batteries.

I don't understand why a slightly thicker body would render you incapable of touching the screen (can't use the phone) just because your hands are smaller. And if you are worried about device size, why not just buy a smaller phone? There are 4.3 and 4.5 alternatives.

Short of a non-stop gameathon, I consider "practical use" as the ability to freely use your phone for whatever situation may arise throughout your day and NOT have to think about where the nearest outlet is. Its a MOBILE phone, after all. Why should I be tethered to the wall for half the day?

And just for the record, my new 6300mah extended battery just gave me 9 hours and 43 minutes today with 2 hours of screen on time and 4 hours of Bluetooth music streaming with mobile data on all day for only a 28% battery drain. THAT'S practical usage for me and MUCH better battery life than the stock battery. I should probably be closer to 30% REMAINING on the stock battery by now.
En4cer2k11 is offline  
Last edited by En4cer2k11; February 16th, 2013 at 09:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to En4cer2k11 For This Useful Post:
KOLIO (February 16th, 2013)
Old February 17th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Gmash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: neither Here nor There
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,345
 
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy S3, Huawei Mercury (stock/rooted), Huawei Ascend (CM7 2.3.5 @710mhz)
Carrier: Cricket

Thanks: 2,123
Thanked 1,444 Times in 1,103 Posts
Default

I have no problem using my phone all day and plugging it in at night. At least you have the option of buying extended batteries. Complaints? You're always going to have them. People will complain about anything. Companies make thin phones because people buy them. I like to carry my phone in my front pocket. With the size of this phone, the thinness is what makes it pocketable. Important thing is, this phone gives us options, unlike most phones coming out these days.
SUroot likes this.
__________________
"Machete don't text"
Gmash is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2013, 03:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
ROM Developer
 
SUroot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Riddlesden, West Yorkshire, UK
Posts: 23,926
 
Device(s): SGS3 (Current) HTC Desire (Retired)
Carrier: 3 UK

Thanks: 1,923
Thanked 5,320 Times in 3,994 Posts
Default Re: Are super thin phones a detriment to their own battery life?

Quote:
Originally Posted by En4cer2k11 View Post
I never gave the impression that EVERYBODY shared my opinion on phone size or battery size, my point was that there are a number of people who DO have issue with whatever their default battery life is. I was speaking from their perspective. It seems to me that phone size has an impact on the size of battery that can be put inside of it. Just look at the Galaxy S III and the S III Mini. The smaller one has a proportionately smaller battery. Likewise, larger devices typically have more room for larger batteries.

I don't understand why a slightly thicker body would render you incapable of touching the screen (can't use the phone) just because your hands are smaller. And if you are worried about device size, why not just buy a smaller phone? There are 4.3 and 4.5 alternatives.

Short of a non-stop gameathon, I consider "practical use" as the ability to freely use your phone for whatever situation may arise throughout your day and NOT have to think about where the nearest outlet is. Its a MOBILE phone, after all. Why should I be tethered to the wall for half the day?

And just for the record, my new 6300mah extended battery just gave me 9 hours and 43 minutes today with 2 hours of screen on time and 4 hours of Bluetooth music streaming with mobile data on all day for only a 28% battery drain. THAT'S practical usage for me and MUCH better battery life than the stock battery. I should probably be closer to 30% REMAINING on the stock battery by now.
Of course a battery that has 3x the capacity has a longer battery life. ...and of course a battery that has 3x the capacity has to be a bigger size.

Geography has a lot to do with battery life. For example the s3 in America has much shorter battery life than the international version, due to LTE being a huge drain. Are you American? Your usage doesn't sound overly unobtainable for me.
SUroot is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #15 (permalink)
Member
 
iPredator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Mi, US
Gender: Male
Posts: 103
 
Device(s): Samsung Galaxy N3, Samsung Galaxy S3 (HTC 3vo, HTC Evo 4g, Samsung Epic 4g, Samsung Moment
Carrier: Sprint

Thanks: 11
Thanked 30 Times in 28 Posts
Default

I honestly love the thinness of my s3 and am not having troubles with my battery at all stock battery with 7 hours screen on time I got 1 day 6 hours out of thr battery
iPredator is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2013, 05:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
AF Contributor
 
Hadron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dimension Jumping
Posts: 11,590
 
Device(s): HTC One (S-Off), HTC Desire (retired)
Carrier: Orange UK

Thanks: 2,158
Thanked 4,803 Times in 3,488 Posts
Default Re: Are super thin phones a detriment to their own battery life?

Quote:
Originally Posted by En4cer2k11 View Post
I don't understand why a slightly thicker body would render you incapable of touching the screen (can't use the phone) just because your hands are smaller. And if you are worried about device size, why not just buy a smaller phone? There are 4.3 and 4.5 alternatives.
It really does depend on the shape. I find the HTC One X more comfortable to hold than the Desire HD, even though the latter is slightly narrower. If wide + thicker = uncomfortable then that's no good, whatever the other merits might be.

And are there actually 4.3-4.5" alternatives? Depends what else you want. The smaller phones tend to be lower spec, so if you are after high-end all round you are pretty much forced to go large screen at the moment, even if you'd prefer something slightly smaller. And of course some people may want the largest screen they can handle, in which case the point above about what they can comfortably hold matters.

One thing I do feel is bad is fixed battery plus small capacity. That's where I really part company with "thinner is better".
__________________
Forum Rules & Guidelines - Android Forums FAQ
If a post helps you, use the Thanks! button.
Spam or offensive? Don't respond, report it /!\
Hadron is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Buy the Samsung Galaxy S III
Sign up for instant notification when the Samsung Galaxy S III goes on sale!
Samsung Galaxy S III

  The Samsung Galaxy S3 is the company's flagship device of 2012. As one of the most anticipated devices of the year, this device is the first to come with a Exynos 4 Quad processor. It also has Android 4.0, a 4.8-inch 720p Super AMOLED ... Read More



Go Back   Android Forums > Android Phones > Samsung Galaxy S3
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:49 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.