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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Edition to be announced running stock Android


http://www.droid-life.com/2013/05/15/google-announces-samsung-galaxy-s4-with-nexus-user-experience/

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It is a neat concept and some people will love it, but if youre going to spend that kind of money then why not get all the features of touchwiz. Stock android is very nice, but im not sure it would be worth it to the vast majority of people
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You'll get more internal storage

I think the key would be what commitment Sammy would make to keeping it updated. And price - some of us might pay extra for vanilla, but most who would are capable of flashing a ROM.

Good news if true IMO.
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Omg it is true for att and tmobile with LTE.

No this stinks I want this on Verizon.
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Omg it is true for att and tmobile with LTE.

No this stinks I want this on Verizon.
That's NEVER going to happen. Not after Verizon alienated the users of the Galaxy Nexus device on Verizon. Verizon has been historically shown to be very developer unfriendly.

Verizon, it's their network and they have been rather... shall we say, douchebag-gy as of late to developers and Google.
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Google Announces Samsung Galaxy S4 With “Nexus User Experience” – Droid Life

Here is confirmation for those that are interested. I will also update this thread title as well.
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That's NEVER going to happen. Not after Verizon alienated the users of the Galaxy Nexus device on Verizon. Verizon has been historically shown to be very developer unfriendly.

Verizon, it's their network and they have been rather... shall we say, douchebag-gy as of late to developers and Google.
I wanted say never, highly unlikely yes.

I say with VoLtE and no CDMA then yes.

Verizon does have developer edition of the gs3 on samsungs site.

I just don't see google dealing with the troubles until no more CDMA.

Still awesome news though.

Stock android with removable battery and sd card slot.

I'm paying 650 for mine from Verizon so I would be down
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Unless Verizon loosens their iron grip on the devices on their network and let's Google have control over the device, I don't see that happening.

Like I said before in a prior post, Verizon is acting particularly douchebaggy as of late. They are acting like the Emperor and Darth Vader with their Force Grip.
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That's NEVER going to happen. Not after Verizon alienated the users of the Galaxy Nexus device on Verizon. Verizon has been historically shown to be very developer unfriendly.

Verizon, it's their network and they have been rather... shall we say, douchebag-gy as of late to developers and Google.
how did verizon alienate the galaxy nexus users? i have a galaxy nexus and doesn't seem vzw has limited the update-ability or functionality of my phone.
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Still ain't no 32gb model. Just sayin'.
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how did verizon alienate the galaxy nexus users? i have a galaxy nexus and doesn't seem vzw has limited the update-ability or functionality of my phone.
When Google releases a Software update, the GSM versions get it immediately. The Verizon and Sprint versions do not. The Verizon version never received versions 4.1.2, 4.2, or 4.2.1. The Sprint version still is on 4.2.1 and hasn't received 4.2.2. Plus there's the whole Google Wallet fiasco.

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Unless Verizon loosens their iron grip on the devices on their network and let's Google have control over the device, I don't see that happening.

Like I said before in a prior post, Verizon is acting particularly douchebaggy as of late. They are acting like the Emperor and Darth Vader with their Force Grip.
They'll have to once VoLTE goes into effect due to the Block C provisions in place on the 700MHz spectrum they purchased to run their LTE network. Provisions state they have to allow any device compatible with the frequency onto their network (Assuming they pay their bill). The reason this hasn't happened yet is because phones still need the CDMA network for voice and text, and thus can be restricted.

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Still ain't no 32gb model. Just sayin'.
True, but the stock android will yield a little more storage space with all the carrier and touchwiz bloat removed. 16GB Nexus 4 comes with about 13GB of open space instead of 9GB on the Touchwiz GS4
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When Google releases a Software update, the GSM versions get it immediately. The Verizon and Sprint versions do not. The Verizon version never received versions 4.1.2, 4.2, or 4.2.1. The Sprint version still is on 4.2.1 and hasn't received 4.2.2. Plus there's the whole Google Wallet fiasco.



They'll have to once VoLTE goes into effect due to the Block C provisions in place on the 700MHz spectrum they purchased to run their LTE network. Provisions state they have to allow any device compatible with the frequency onto their network (Assuming they pay their bill). The reason this hasn't happened yet is because phones still need the CDMA network for voice and text, and thus can be restricted.


True, but the stock android will yield a little more storage space with all the carrier and touchwiz bloat removed. 16GB Nexus 4 comes with about 13GB of open space instead of 9GB on the Touchwiz GS4
I just hope this can help with building AOSP with the Verizon verision. I know the radio won't work with a port so hopefully they can use pieces of this to build a stable Verizon ROM
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I was mainly having fun, since would not expect that version to have more flash. My guess is about 1GB more will be available, since will not have Wiz and carrier bloat, but will still have all the sensor related and other bling-like software, since part of the device design. Total free will probably be a tad over 10GB.

1gb more is better than 1gb less (some have only 8gb). That in itself is a 2gb swing.
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So how long before they have a stock rom that will turn an ATT version into this vanilla version with updates? Thats what Im wanting! If I'm going to be paying for ATTs network I should get the ATT priced hardware out of it.
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So how long before they have a stock rom that will turn an ATT version into this vanilla version with updates? Thats what Im wanting! If I'm going to be paying for ATTs network I should get the ATT priced hardware out of it.
I think that the answer to your question is - how soon will you have an unlocked bootloader on ATT?
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As with all Android, the choice is your's, fair play to Samsung for offering the option imo.
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To me, I see the biggest advantage of this being you get the advantage of a massively marketed phone in regard to accessory availability, but still get a Google experience out of the box.
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I would be all over this! Without out a doubt if it was for the 32GB model. Which it should be IMO.

I'll still take a good hard look at it once it releases. Hopefully Google does something cool with the back cover like puts a big droid on it or something that separates it from the other S4's.
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Wander if there will be porting of this onto our device's in the rooting section. But also if it would require it's own page on here as stock or wether it's another device for this page?

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I was mainly having fun, since would not expect that version to have more flash. My guess is about 1GB more will be available, since will not have Wiz and carrier bloat, but will still have all the sensor related and other bling-like software, since part of the device design. Total free will probably be a tad over 10GB.

1gb more is better than 1gb less (some have only 8gb). That in itself is a 2gb swing.
I guess it comes to do how Stock Android it's going to be. If it's completely stock, meaning that it leaves out all the sensor stuff, it will probably be the same as what the Nexus 4 has. We already can tell by looking at the picture they gave that it won't be 100% stock because they're going to use the hardware/capacitive buttons instead of the software buttons.

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I think that the answer to your question is - how soon will you have an unlocked bootloader on ATT?
Verizon version releases next week, so I imagine Dan is going to release the exploit on that day or shortly after.

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As with all Android, the choice is your's, fair play to Samsung for offering the option imo.
I love this play by Samsung and wish that other OEM's would do the same as well.

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To me, I see the biggest advantage of this being you get the advantage of a massively marketed phone in regard to accessory availability, but still get a Google experience out of the box.
That's a very good point, because we all know Nexus line accessories are always limited or late when coming from Google.
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When Google releases a Software update, the GSM versions get it immediately. The Verizon and Sprint versions do not. The Verizon version never received versions 4.1.2, 4.2, or 4.2.1. The Sprint version still is on 4.2.1 and hasn't received 4.2.2. Plus there's the whole Google Wallet fiasco.
vzw deserves kudos for not releasing 4.2.1. either way, hardcore android users get their updates before any of the carriers do anyway.
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Wow. This is making me look at coverage maps, it really is.

On the one hand, I'm updatable on VZW as of ... yesterday. OTOH, I'm really, really, really annoyed at VZW and am tempted to wait out the extra six months to kill my contract.

(Why am I annoyed? Losing unlimited data (unless I pay full price for the phone) and actually having to pay more on Share Everything for less; customer service lies; every call drops once anyway; did I mention customer service lies; shutting off my data and falsely claiming I requested it; bizarre text messages every time you get an email when the phone is out of the country; only supporting the phones it likes; untruthful customer service....)

So, yeah, seeing as I was thinking of paying full price for the phone anyway, the idea of paying full price for stock android genuinely makes me drool.
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vzw deserves kudos for not releasing 4.2.1. either way, hardcore android users get their updates before any of the carriers do anyway.
It was buggy, no doubt. But in a sick kind of way, you look forward to this when you have a Nexus device. But it makes me feel bad that sprint Gnex users are STILL stuck on it officially. Right you are about the real users getting the updates first anyhow.
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Just one question remains - will the HDMI adapter work

I flashed countless ASOP roms but as the HDMI is Samsung proprietary it won't work with ASOP - so if I'd lose that too - although I'd love ASOP, I'd pass.
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We're still deciding that.

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I flashed countless ASOP roms but as the HDMI is Samsung proprietary it won't work with ASOP - so if I'd lose that too - although I'd love ASOP, I'd pass.
AOSP (Android Open Source Project) roms have to be ported to specific hardware by devs and often without knowledge of inner details of the device.

Pretty sure that Samsung withheld nothing from Google at the hardware level, so I'd expect the MHL port to work.

BTW - you can buy an 11-pin to 5-pin adapter for the SGS3 and then use any standard MHL adapter.
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I think that the answer to your question is - how soon will you have an unlocked bootloader on ATT?
apparently the at&t bootloader has already been unlocked, but it is not going to be released until the verizon version comes out
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Since the phone will most likely be the same as the carrier s4's, couldn't you just get a carrier one and then load the unlocked ROM into it? Would it be exactly the same as the unlocked pure google version then?

I am going back to AT&T and was going to wait out until the apple conference in June. Bu at this point I don't think it matters. I will have an iPhone 5 64gb I could sell for $650 and the galaxy s4 I could get now for $199 and probably sell thy for $450 if I wanted to and get anything I want again

The note 3 is also something I am really looking forward to. The note 2 was the closest thing that has ever steered me away from the iphone. I still drool over the spen here and there. It's great for drawing wire diagrams and stuff at work
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Thinking about it, it occurs to me that this is simply a Nexus without the name.

So treb - congrats on having the first thread in our new forum!
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Wow. This is making me look at coverage maps, it really is.

On the one hand, I'm updatable on VZW as of ... yesterday. OTOH, I'm really, really, really annoyed at VZW and am tempted to wait out the extra six months to kill my contract.

(Why am I annoyed? Losing unlimited data (unless I pay full price for the phone) and actually having to pay more on Share Everything for less; customer service lies; every call drops once anyway; did I mention customer service lies; shutting off my data and falsely claiming I requested it; bizarre text messages every time you get an email when the phone is out of the country; only supporting the phones it likes; untruthful customer service....)

So, yeah, seeing as I was thinking of paying full price for the phone anyway, the idea of paying full price for stock android genuinely makes me drool.
Same here, I still have unlimited but at some pint I am losing it anyway. Indonhave move e family to my plan eventually anyway, might as well just get it overwith.

I had at for about 10yrs, zero issues ith them other than building penetration where I work. Verizon's coverage was much better I that regard. However over the last two years since I left it is much better now with the 4g and lte coverage.

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1. Always late to get phones or just not get them at all. I get 3-4 phones a year so it bugs me

2. AT&T still has this loophole if you want to call it that, I won't go any firer with this but it's a huge benefit and it still works. Lets just say you can get a couple phones per year at subsidized pricing :-d

3. Walking into a Verizon store is like apple but 10x worse. What a bunch of tools. There friggin phone salesmen and act like they went to school for years to learn it, when it actually I know more about what there selling than they do. They are worse than apple zombies. Customer support online and over the phone is the same. At least with AT&T they seem more down to earth when I go into the store or call. They are not putting on this big act for me like I am Nigerian prince
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So treb - congrats on having the first thread in our new forum!
I also had the first thread in the S4 forum ( no joke )

So what do I win
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So just to confirm, the hardware of this phone is going to be identical to the current AT&T S4?
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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Not sure, the announcement said that it supported all USA ATT and T-Mobile radios, so there may be transceiver differences.
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Google unveils Samsung Galaxy S 4 running stock Android Jelly Bean, available June 26th for $649
Foolish Google...don't they know we can just root & flash vanilla android. Didn't they hear the boot loader has been unlocked?
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True, but often times AOSP roms don't fully work due to drivers not working. But releasing this version of the S4, everything should work and AOSP roms will work much better on this device rather than the Touchwized GS4
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True, but often times AOSP roms don't fully work due to drivers not working. But releasing this version of the S4, everything should work and AOSP roms will work much better on this device rather than the Touchwized GS4
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For a person who doesn't mind spending retail on a phone, this is basically everything all wrapped up in one package!

1- Stock Android the way it was meant to be
2- Updates directly from Google
3- 5 inch full HD screen
4- Super fast Processor
5- 13 megapixel shooter
6- Expandable storage
7- Removable battery
8- Fully unlocked from top to bottom
9- GSM LTE

I mean this is basically it people! Yea it's $649, but when you really look at the BIG picture this is probably going to be the best Pure Google Android phone to date, no Nexus branding of course, but at this point I could care less!
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Yeah, rooting and flashing vanilla android is not as sweet as automatically getting it from Google.
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Anyone know if this means the s4's that are already out now may get faster support for software upgrades. For example when Android 4.3 becomes avail?
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Anyone know if this means the s4's that are already out now may get faster support for software upgrades. For example when Android 4.3 becomes avail?
Samsung has already gotten pretty fast - but - following the Android 4.3 upgrade, then Sammy will have to touch that with Touchwiz and if you're in the US, the carriers are going to want to set their own schedule.

Until we see it happen, Samsung's next update cycles will be just speculation.
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Interesting question from someone on Engadget. Do you think Google will remap the buttons? Turn the Settings button into a multi-talking one?
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I'm not counting on it because google let them keep the physical home button.
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I didn't think about the hardware buttons... Kind of takes away from it a little I think.
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Yeah, Samsung really loves that ugly physical home button. Because people love the apple home button, Samsung has to include it on their phones
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Great idea but like Google Glasses totally out of their minds price wise, only a small number of people will buy it.

I have the iPhone 5 and would love a vanilla Android device, especially not waiting for AT&T to release their updates, but no way would I spend that much.

Why is it that AT&T and VZ take so damn long to release the Android updates, kind of not fair to users if you ask me, one reason I have not switched
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Great idea but like Google Glasses totally out of their minds price wise, only a small number of people will buy it.

I have the iPhone 5 and would love a vanilla Android device, especially not waiting for AT&T to release their updates, but no way would I spend that much.

Why is it that AT&T and VZ take so damn long to release the Android updates, kind of not fair to users if you ask me, one reason I have not switched
Why not get a nexus 4? Its vanilla android and at an amazing price.
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Great idea but like Google Glasses totally out of their minds price wise, only a small number of people will buy it.

I have the iPhone 5 and would love a vanilla Android device, especially not waiting for AT&T to release their updates, but no way would I spend that much.

Why is it that AT&T and VZ take so damn long to release the Android updates, kind of not fair to users if you ask me, one reason I have not switched
The price is not nuts at all! You have to look around and see what retail phones really cost. How can Google sell the S4 at a cheaper price then at&t or Tmobile do off contract and retail? It's just not possible to discount a phone like the S4.

I said it from day one that as soon as I found out the pricing for the N4 that people are going to always be expecting Google to sell future phones and nexus devices at the same price point. How can they out source the phones and have them built by another manufacturer and offer better hardware, better internals, better cameras, etc! Losing money is not the name of the game for these companies. Granted the S4 is no world beater when were talking about hardware, but in actuality it is a sick phone when your talking specs and performance and what not.

Unless Google really gets they're act together and makes sense to everyone as to why they really bought Motorola and they release a built from the ground up nexus device directly from them, I'd say get used to the higher price point for phones directly from them running stock android.
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