sean76

I'll take superb battery life over a paper thin phone any day of the week...

However I'm always near power, so charging isn't an issue for me.
Got a Car Charger, a House Charger, and a Charger in my office...I've never swapped a battery out with any of my phones that had a removable batter anyway.

sean76

Yea but you said it yourself....Apple made a huge bump from the 4 to the 5! Your forgetting one thing my man>>>The 4S! Apple did the same thing Samsung did here, I'm not a fan of what either did! However were talking about the 2 biggest players in the smart phone game...lol, they can kind of do what they want and people will still run out and buy, although Samsung is not in Apple territory yet, but from the looks of things... They're getting there!

And what Apple did with the 4 to the 4S is what Sammy did here, they're basically releasing an SGS but calling it an S4. Hey it is what it is, in the grand scheme of things Samsung will still likely sell more android phones then anyone else in 2013!

Slug

That may be a regional thing because none of the S3s I've seen, and that's quite a few as I sell the things, have displayed a colour cast. I'd also never call the S3 display "crappy", but maybe the UK/European models have a different screen.

I'm not sure where you're coming from here; most of the features touted on Thursday night looked pretty unique to me.

They changed the screen ratio to 16:9 and slimmed it down a couple of millimetres.... hardly a major shift in design paradigm. It's still instantly recognisable as an iPhone, just as the S4 is instantly recognisable as a Samsung Galaxy.

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EarlyMon

Very interesting - they must be doing something different here.

I've seen at least 10 SGS3 models here, definitely blue, not subtle. But either Note - no problem.

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Scootmien

Got to agree with you on this. I would prefer the phone to be slightly deeper and have a bigger battery to avoid having to replace or recharge during a day.

Unlike you, quite often I am out at work and I don't have access to a charger so I tend to carry a power pack with me to charge both my phones up if needs be. Fortunately, only on days with really heavy use is this an issue.

Carldvs

Hugely dissappointed, I almost feel like I did when my iPhone 4was upgraded to 4S. What an embaressment by Samsung. I'm looking on her for the HTC One thread but cant find it, but Ill be getting that. Design and innovation, which I used to respect Samsung for, but now think they are no more than Apple.

EarlyMon

If you'd prefer to discuss the One, please visit http://androidforums.com/htc-one/

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FinancialWar

How can you call Samsung "no more than Apple" when Samsung kept removable battery and SD card slot and HTC removed both of these features and went with a "style over functionality" philosophy?

So which companies is more like Apple?

Poweranimals

If I had the S3, I'd probably have no desire to get the S4. I still have the S1 so, it's quite the upgrade. I'll admit I was expecting something a bit more revolutionary though.

My only reservation now is losing the physical keyboard of the S1, but it's probably inevitable.

sean76

Wow...S1!!!

Your going to love the S4...That I can promise you

And believe me it's going to feel very revolutionary the 1st time you lay eyes on that screen....

Shotgunx1x

Just don't understand all the hate towards the GS4. To me the S4 is the superior phone when compared to the HTC One, and coming from an iPhone 4s I couldn't be more excited. This is going to be an amazing phone which I will be using for a very long time. Maybe im missing something, and if so please feel free to fill me in.

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ljbad4life

I have an SGS3 and I will be buying an SGS4. The analogy of the Sgs3 and the SGS4 to the upgrade from the Iphone 4 to the 4s is completely WRONG.

First the screen size is different between the SGS3 to the SGS4

Second Samsung was able to fit a larger screen in the same dimensions (except S4 is thinner!)because they cut down on the bezel with a near edge to edge screen width wise.

Third The PPI and screen are different on the S4 than the S3 (S4 is using the green amoled tech)

So the appropriate analogy would be the the comparison of the iPhone 4s to the iPhone 5. Get it together people!

EarlyMon

I think that it would be more together to never compare any Android model upgrades to any iPhones, but that's just my opinion.

Yatezy

The S3 got this much more grief when it first arrived. Especially since it never arrived with 1080p non pentile screen or an A15 processor. Now they've turned up with a quad A15 AND A7 processors, 1080p screen and more software than you'll ever really need and yet we still complain. Maybe our expectations are too high?

davoid

I agree. Particularly since with the release of the iphone 5 apple put themselves outside the tech race. That phone didn't even catch up with the S3 specs wise, and so every one of the subsequent slew of android releases that surpassed the S3 technically has left the iphone standing in the water.

Yatezy

I thought the iPhone 5 caught up with the competition? I know it only had a dual core but them cores were pretty damn powerful and the GPU left the S3 and most other devices in the shade. Most of its other hardware features like the camera sensor and speakers were high quality too.

Shocky

It did, they were custom CPU cores which performed really well and the SGX543MP3 GPU was way ahead of anything Android offered at the time.

The iPhone 5 is a great device, software is the problem there, not hardware.

S4's Adreno 320 (Nexus 4, HTC One etc) has pretty much matched it though, Samsung Exynos 5 Dual with Mali T604 in the Nexus 10 is also very good.

Exynos 5 Quad with SGX544MP3 should easily beat everything but the the new iPad, unless Samsung mess up the software.

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nigsy

jeez....don't you guys get sarcasm?

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Yatezy

I said this when the iPhone 5 first came out, it was like sticking a Ferrari engine in a Robin Reliant.

The hardware rocked but was limited by iOS.

FinancialWar

I am sorry, but which aspect of Iphone's hardware rocked??

sean76

To me it didn't rock , I think the iPhone 5 is made like garbage and that when Steve Jobs died he took the ideas of Apple with him. The iPhone is basically the easiest phone on earth to scratch or dent...its like a tin can, and Apples process to get the metal black to look anodized was probably to just paint the frame and let it air dry instead of baking the color into the metal...lol, who knows what goes on at foxxcom!

Now back to the dance...

Androidcurious

I think those of you who are underwhelmed are kind of missing context for all this. Of course you're disappointed, you're tech people who follow this stuff obsessively. Year over year, you're just *not* going to see the huge leaps you want. You sound like Apple fans (I don't mean that as an insult, btw. I have owned/do own many Apple products). A great many of them complain each year when Apple releases an incremental upgrade over the previous year's model.

I think the problem is the initial "wow factor" of these phones has been lost to us forever. We're too inundated with information, guessing, wish lists that we project on to manufacturers. There will still be occasional killer apps or features but getting excited over a specific phone isn't going to happen.

Look at the HTC One. When it was first announced and demonstrated, I thought it was the hottest thing I'd ever seen. I was pretty excited about the notion of owning it. But then more details trickled out. No removable battery, no storage expansion. Will HTC muck up multitasking again like they did on the One X? Blinkfeed looked interesting initially, now I can imagine it just being annoying (I'm aware you can shove it over to another screen, but still).

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on the S4. Most of this stuff is personal preference (which would be another point). No, I don't like Samsung's materials either. Yup, it looks like an S3, or just a slightly redesigned Note 2. I just think the insistence that these phones are underwhelming is more due to our own projections rather than these companies shortfalls.

sergey

Man, I don't ever remember that- I saw the S3 and was like- damn, now Android is playing in the big leagues- they now have a winner!

And I still think that.

I wouldn't worry about the press and everybody hating the S4. It happens with the iPhone every year and yet it still sells well. Same thing with the S3. The phone gets hyped up and then the fanboys run with it- 5" 6D holographic 1080P flexible display, 1/2 as thin, with a 50,000mAh battery, 2.5thz deca-core processor, 500GB memory, 24.5MP camera that is superior to any DSLR, and so on. Then the product launch brings them back down to reality and everybody whines. We all do it.

ericbeon

I'm not sure which to get the HTC one or the Galaxy S4... They both have pros and cons... Ill make it easy on myself and get both ...lol

Yatezy

A superior GPU, superior camera, superior speakers and a processor that matched pretty much everything out there whilst having half the cores.

Maybe rocked was the wrong word but either way they didn't do a bad job.

blenky

I think most of the ire on here is from S3 owners who expected more of a jump. I was looking forward to the upgrade but I think now I will stick with the S3. Not that I don't think the S4 will be a great phone its just not enough of a jump to warrant me moving after 10 months. However to those coming from older phones the S4 is a power house!

jhawkkw

I would say I'm content with the S4. I don't have any phone envy that make me want to buy it, but I'd have no problems recommending it to other people. Samsung has introduced some features that I wish AOSP had. I do like the fact that Samsung continues to stick with the removable battery and expandable storage to give people who like that stuff choice. Personally, I'd wish more OEM's would follow Motorola's path of putting a high capacity non-removable battery to give powers users longer battery life and still keep with the "thin" fad somewhat. The glove usage seems like a really nice add on, especially for us northerners, but I would like to see how reliable it is in real usage depending on thickness/material of gloves.

So all-in-all, at this point I'd give Samsung an 8/10 for this phone. It's seems like a good phone, nothing mind blowing, but solid nonetheless. Though maybe I should knock off a half point for their presentation

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blenky

Also something no-one has seen yet are real world tests.

How does the bigger battery perform with the full HD screen and extra software bloat?

How good is that 13 mega-pixel camera compared to the competition?

Is any of the touted eye tracking stuff actually any good or just annoying?

Does the finger hover add anything to the experience or just a gimmick?

Etc, etc.

sean76

Couldn't have said it better....very good Analogy!

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Somebody who like me is coming from be iphone 5.. It's a great upgrade to me

Shocky

The S4 is a bigger jump in performance over the S3 than any previous Galaxy S was so what you were expecting I don't know.

blenky

Good question. TBH I don't know what I was expecting that would have made the S4 a must upgrade from the S3 at the get go. I was a little disappointed (but not surprised) in the design as never a big fan of the S3 look even though I don't buy phones based on style - but performance and functionality.

Maybe the emphasis on the 'S' this and the 'S' that in the unpacking ceremony (I will never be able to unsee that!) made it seem like a gimmick laden phone?

As I said in an earlier post I'm interested in the real world tests.

cybertec69

In regards to your pentile argument, I own a S3 and have no issues with the pentile display, and neither do 50 million other S3 owners, now that it has even more Pixel Per Inch, the screen will be even sharper than before. Sorry but I do not use a microscope to look at my phone , and how does the HTC have better specs, you mean the non removable battery "if the battery goes bad in the ONE, you will have pretty looking paperweight, and you do know that batteries do lose their charging power after so many charges, a Lion battery usually has a 500 charge cycle, the more you recharge the battery the weaker it will get over time" and not to mention no expandable memory, HTC keeps on making the same mistakes, over and over and over, used to own HTC phones before going to Samsung, until HTC gets their head out of their rear end then I might go back, oh and did I mention their updates "what updates, LOL", the HTC one is hitting the market with 4.1.2 , while the S4 will have the latest software 4.2.2.

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cybertec69

I think the physical home button is a great idea and hope they keep it in future phones, Touch Wiz, who really cares, there is many different launchers to chose from in the App store, I myself use Nova Launcher, in regards to looking like a slightly bigger S3, what is wrong with the S3 design, if it was so bad I guess 50 million people thought otherwise, plus they are not HTC throwing design after design to the market hoping it will stick, and at the end of the day, the thing that matters most is that the phone you purchase has all the latest features possible, does what it says it will do, has the most recent software. I do not buy a phone to look at, it is bought so it can be used.

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cybertec69

Ok here I go again trying to teach someone something in regards to PPI, pay close attention, PPI stands for Pixel Per Inch "you with me so far", good. the HTC One has a 4.7" screen with the same resolution as the S4 which has a 5" screen and the LG Optimus PRO which has a 5.5" screen, all three phones have 1920x1080 resolution, here are the PPI numbers for all three phones "pay attention", 1. HTC One=468ppi 2.S4=441ppi 3.LG PRO=401ppi.
Do you see something happening here, the smaller the screen with the same amount of pixels pushed into it will in the end give you a higher PPI, the only reason the HTC One has more PPI is because it has a .3" smaller screen than the S4, same reason the S4 has more PPI than the LG PRO becasue the S4's screen is .5" smaller, do you follow. The same reason a 50" 1080p=1920x1080 screen resolution LCD or PDP screen will look sharper that a 60" 1080p LCD or PDP screen, a 50" screen with the same 1080p resolution will give you a 44 PPI and a 60" screen with the same 1080p resolution will give you a 37 PPI.
In regards to RETINA, retina means nothing, it is just an Apple marketing term, they invented it to describe their screens, that's all, it is not something the ISF industry came up with, it is an Apple term, that's all.

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cybertec69

Samsung knows what they are doing, plain and simple, heck even my S3 supports a 64 GB micro SDXC card, and I have over 40 gigs of high resolution music and high resolution movies on it " no need to use the cloud and data", not into low rez MP3'S, or having to download movies at $15, if I am going to pay that kind of $ for a movie, I might as well buy it on a DVD "have the hard copy" and then use DVD Catalyst and burn it on my computer and then transfer it to whatever portable media device I want to watch it on.

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Shocky

I wouldn't say the new features are gimmicks, a couple of them I would use and some I won't. It doesn't mean the ones I won't use are gimmicks, somebody else might find them very useful for their own reasons.

Also, specs will sell phones to us because we understand them, but most people don't have a clue so these "gimmicks" are good way to differentiate them from competitors.

sean76

Ummm, I look at my phone

Man it's pretty easy to see that your not an HTC fan...To each his own, what ever floats your boat amigo.

However...In regards to some of your post I'll say this

I hate buttons, and with 2013 here...I think it's time Samsung as well as apple just stop with the moving parts already!

As far as 50 million people not being wrong, yea they were right...In 2012!
However this is the following year and to me making a phone which looks exactly like the previous one is just not my cup o tea...What's under the hood of course counts, but I'm also a fan of change and the shell of the S4 pretty much mirrors that of the S3.

As for HTC and they're designs, I gotta say they may have gotten it right with the one. Come on man, your going to tell me you don't think the aluminum version of the one isn't beautiful? It's probably the nicest phone I've ever seen, and truth be told, I was always a Samsung junkie...Sometimes you just have to give credit where credit is due.

cybertec69

I am not a Samsung junkie, hold no loyalties to any company, the S3 is my first Samsung smartphone, I do not count the Omnia Windows phone I owned before going to Android with the HTC Incredible, then the HTC Rezound, both had removable batteries and micro SD expansion slots, once HTC went away from that and with their slow as snail updates, I said good buy. And YES the HTC ONE looks FANTASTIC, they hit it out of the park, but again they do not care about their customers "or care to listen to", no removable battery, no micro SD expansion slot "there is a reason they exist, so people can purchase them and use them, the Micro SD cards", I use a 64 gig in my S3. And did I mention that the ONE is hitting the market with 4.1.2 while the S4 will be running 4.2.2, and I do not want to hear about HTC will soon be updating the software, with their track record, it will be a year from now for any new owners of the ONE to see 4.2.2, they will be seeing 4.2.2 when everyone else is on Key Lime Pie.
Again I am not a fan boy, I just do not throw my hard earned money around just to anyone, she might be hot, but if there is nothing in that skull, she is useless to me.
By the way, not planning to go buy an S4, the S3 will hold me just fine for another year maybe two.

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suicidallooney

One fatal mistake in this logic. Hardware no matter how high spec is useless if the software cannot match it. Making the two work as one good is a major problem. HTC and sony are behind samsung on this. Before becoming a samsung owner i was on the Sony field. I know from experience sony is good at matching hardware spec yet letting down on the software and that is what decides the other all user's experience.

HTC is not far behind. 8 core is a complex game and samsung has been making processors for a long time. Not only that but samsung has been delivering none stop whilst the rest hasn't been able to live upto the hype. BTW i would strongly avoid sony their support for phones is very poor and upgrades take too bloody long

FinancialWar

Galaxy s3 and s4 are the perfect phones for torrent users and movie lovers due to it's support for 64gb sd card and exfat support.

I can get bluray quality movie for free and able to store many of them on my phone. Can HTC and iphone do that? And removable batteries after you used up power after watching your HD movies.

No other phones on the market can do that.

EarlyMon

You may be right. I have a 64 GB card in my HTC, but exFAT requires the kernel module unique to Samsung. I guess that others are stuck with things like the ext4 filesystem. Or using reasonable compression when they rip their purchased movies for personal use.

Cool story about how you steal copyrighted material though. Entitled much?

trparky

I thought that exFAT was a Microsoft technology, not Samsung.

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FinancialWar

As far as I know torrent is legal, but using it to download copyrighted material isn't. I don't download copyrighted material using torrent ever.

I said I can theoretical "download high quality movies this way using a S3 or S4", but I have not done it because I don't even have a S3 or S4 at the moment.

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sean76

Hey man...So your skipping the S4? Your device list says S3 arriving soon.

EarlyMon

I'm aware of the legal uses for torrenting.

Thanks for your clarification on the theoretical use of finding legally-available bd-quality movies for free on torrents.

Please, start on thread on that in our Media forum. Many of us would be very interested in hearing about those sites.

No one on mod staff has ever seen such a site, we'll be watching for your thread with interest.

EarlyMon

It is a Microsoft technology but they do license it out. Various Samsung kernels do support it.

Unless there's published confirmation somewhere already that I haven't seen (highly possible), at the least, we'll find out if it's available after the SGS4 releases.

FinancialWar

I'll probably get the S4 with a one year delay, I almost always get gadget with at least one generation delay because I personally don't like to pay early adopter's tax.

I got the S3 mainly because of the exFat ability (not for illegal purpose), right now on S2, I am using my 64GB SD card in NTFS mounted with paragon app, good enough but it makes my phone directory a mess.

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Morat

I'm coming out of contract with an S2 at the moment and an S4 looks like a great phone to me. I don't understand the disappointment since I can't quite understand what else you can cram into a phone at the moment. I'm VERY pleased they kept the removable battery and external SD slot. These features alone rule out the HTC One for me (and I was an HTC Addict before the S2 came along).

I can't see pentile making a difference on a 1080p 4.99 inch screen, I guess we'll have to see the screens side by side to make a judgement. 440 DPI is plenty.

13MP doesn't excite me, but it does at least mean you can crop an image and still retain decent details.

As for the plastic body - I don't care. My S2 lived in an Otterbox from day one and so will my S4. No recent smart phone has been tough enough for my day to day pocket trauma, although my wife's Desire S in still impressive for robustness. I guess the quest for ridiculously thin phones makes it practically impossible to make a phone able to survive naked - in my kids and dogs filled world at least.

Power, great screen, good bluetooth and an array of funky sensors for innovative apps. What's not to like?

sean76

You are in fact a perfect candidate for the S4, like I've stated a good hand full of times towards S2 owners...It will make for a very nice phone for you!

However the point I was making goes a little something like this.
If you were an S3 owner instead of an S2 owner, would you be making the switch to the S4? Do you think the S4 is so much better then the S3?