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Old March 19th, 2013, 06:14 AM   #101 (permalink)
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if you know how to really use a phone.
Isn't that the point though ? There should not be a need to "know how to use a phone".

I should just be able to pick one up and use it as I please and do so at least the whole day.

I don't get the obsession of needing a phone battery last several days. The damn things are delivered with a charger so nothing stops you to use it over night

But my work iPhone is dead by 2pm, my private S3 runs on steam by 9pm, my old Nokia hardly drops a bar after a week.

You want a phone, get a phone. You want a small computer in your pocket - live with the fact that it needs juice to run.


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Isn't that the point though ? There should not be a need to "know how to use a phone".

I should just be able to pick one up and use it as I please and do so at least the whole day.
Don't get this comment. If you want to pick up a phone and just use it without knowing anything, that's now called a dumb phone. If you want a pocket cpu that can do more than your laptop or desktop, that's called a smartphone. It may, however, require you to learn how to do some of the many things it can do or some things you shouldn't do.
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Don't get this comment. If you want to pick up a phone and just use it without knowing anything, that's now called a dumb phone. If you want a pocket cpu that can do more than your laptop or desktop, that's called a smartphone. It may, however, require you to learn how to do some of the many things it can do or some things you shouldn't do.
I looked at that comment this way - in 2010, I had a flock of widgets taking up a screen so I could babysit all of my radios, data syncing and brightness, just to eek out some battery life.

In 2012, I turned off NFC and location services and left everything else on auto the way it came, and get great battery life.

I still had to root to get a proper firewall, full set of status bar options and to program my 3 capacitive buttons to act like 6 (3 long press, including long-back to truly exit).

In the 4 months since getting her latest phone, my wife has only had one occurrence of, "Honey, I can't figure out how to..." - a far cry from the first 3 years of Android, or the 3 years of feature phone use before that.

Dropbox is another great example. She used to keep crib notes on usb cabling, then ftp over wifi (which she preferred), then AirDroid, to transfer pictures. Now, she just logs on to her PC, drags her pictures out of her Dropbox and she's done, nothing to remember, no crib notes.

I'm all for hardware powerful enough to deliver and software, including the system, apps and manufacturer features, that make phone use easier for everyone.

While I'm ranting, I'll add that I don't think I'd mind something like the Windows Recycle Bin or Mac Trash added as standard Android features. We get a lot of questions from smartphone newcomers in grief over accidental deletions. They then need to learn about forums, find us, hear about Recuva, and hope that they didn't try 18 things first to make the deletions truly unrecoverable.

Anything that makes smartphones smarter seems to have the potential to make them easier, and I'm all for that.
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Everybody has the right to their opinion, but the OP is IMO very wrong in regards to the competition:

S4:

1. Bigger and higher res, but lower watt display- in a smaller build (this alone will drive sales)
2. Even better camera and video performance
3. About twice as fast as S3, which is already pretty darn fast
4. SD card options that several other OEMS do not offer- THEY are giving SAMSUNG an advantage here.
5. Battery options- Ditto
6. The no rigid build design handles drops better
7. Samsung has proven with the S3 to update the OS at a steady rate

I can go on, but the point is this device will sell HUGE and likely have supply bottlenecks due to the newer display tech being introduced in mass millions scale.

Added: Seems the sd card and battery options give Samsung the big advantage and HTC and others (Nexus, LG) are the ones screwing up to be like Apple.
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I really don't like some of the derogatory comments from HTC about the Galaxy S4 on twitter even before reviewer got their hands on them.

Very unprofessional and comes across as a bit desperate imo.
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Face it, this is HTC's last chance. If they blow it, I see it as the beginning of the end for HTC in the Android market.
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Which makes HTC's decision to not have an sd slot all the more odd. Regardless of how many customers are impacted, sales are inherently impeded by not having the option. Point being it is far easier to say less people will buy the device without the sd slot than not.

Apple gets away with it due to their established ecosystem and customer base.
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After going from the galaxy nexus to the s3, i really wanted to give HTC another shot (nostalgia from the og evo.) i had preordered the note 2 but i was willing to cancel once i heard about the DNA. 16gb of internal memory with no sd and a battery much smaller than the note killed that for me.

when the specs for the one were announced, i again immediately dismissed it because of lack of sd support which forces you to pay a lot more for more memory and the smaller than i had expected screen. i know some people don't want a massive screen but the note 2 has spoiled me to the point that i wouldn't consider a screen smaller than 5" anymore. point being, HTC hasn't been able to make the phone with everything i want, but Samsung has so they will continue to get my money.
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Everybody has the right to their opinion, but the OP is IMO very wrong in regards to the competition:

S4:

1. Bigger and higher res, but lower watt display- in a smaller build (this alone will drive sales)
2. Even better camera and video performance
3. About twice as fast as S3, which is already pretty darn fast
4. SD card options that several other OEMS do not offer- THEY are giving SAMSUNG an advantage here.
5. Battery options- Ditto
6. The no rigid build design handles drops better
7. Samsung has proven with the S3 to update the OS at a steady rate

I can go on, but the point is this device will sell HUGE and likely have supply bottlenecks due to the newer display tech being introduced in mass millions scale.

Added: Seems the sd card and battery options give Samsung the big advantage and HTC and others (Nexus, LG) are the ones screwing up to be like Apple.
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So you're choosing between this and the HTC One. I tell you both have the same processor and both have excellent cameras. The Samsung, however, has a bigger screen, is smaller, is lighter, you can expand it's memory up to 128gb, and you NEVER need to plug it in(if you want to spend extra on a battery or two). The One has aluminum and looks different from it's predecessor. Which would you choose?
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So you're choosing between this and the HTC One. I tell you both have the same processor and both have excellent cameras. The Samsung, however, has a bigger screen, is smaller, is lighter, you can expand it's memory up to 128gb, and you NEVER need to plug it in(if you want to spend extra on a battery or two). The One has aluminum and looks different from it's predecessor. Which would you choose?
Looks and feel can go a long way, though if putting a case on it the point is moot.

I will say I like the look of HTC Sense 5 better than the same ole touchwiz look, though I would probably use a launcher anyways.

I actually would prefer to have the One, since it does have a different look than its predecessor. I don't need the extra memory, but I understand the advantage of having expandable memory.

I will ultimately go with the GS4 because of being on Verizon.

Both phones are sure to be great and cannot go wrong with either.
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So you're choosing between this and the HTC One. I tell you both have the same processor
It would be more accurate to say the S4 uses a slightly faster version of the SoC in the HTC One, it's not the same.

First there are the CPU clockspeeds, 1.7GHz vs 1.9GHz, There's also the GPU performance which seems to have been improved , i'm not sure if Samsung overclocked Adreno 320 or it's a software thing but it has been improved.
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I know, I know, processor is the same but S4 is clocked higher. Software optimization will be more important than the small difference, though.

And you can choose the One for it's looks(part of me loves it's looks, but part of me sees it as a little less modern/more old world looking due to the materials), but that's the definition of form over function when it's offering fewer features. I think a lot of phones are better looking than my S3. The Nexus 4 is beautiful in person, but it also has a smaller screen, no storage, no battery, poorer camera, and poorer battery life than my S3. Only reason I would choose it is if I just HAD HAD HAD to have latest vanilla ui and that was more important than those other things. Hardware wise the S-line is superior to all android phones. That's a simple fact. I'm no fan boy, I'll go out and buy the best phone. But with all my previous HTC phones, I remember looking at all the phones in stores everywhere, and it was always the S phones that had me the most impressed
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People hate on the plastic, but having that extra give in the housing works wonders when you drop your phone.
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So does a good case, which, I personally recommend the Otterbox Defender if you want some real drop protection.

I don't get the plastic case hate either, it's a great phone case material.

I also don't get mega-thin and no case either, but that's a more subjective thing.
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My guess is anyone that took a physics/statics class or understands the flow of kinetic energy will appreciate the issue of surface area glass failure in a plastic or rigid frame.

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I agree that the One isn't revolutionary either, but please, it's hardware is far above an iPhone 5, including both the HTC and S4 sharing the same processor in some regions.

HTC made the first aluminum case over two years ago for their Windows phone. Apple got that idea from HTC, not the other way around.

Both Androids represent a significant hardware step up from the iP5.
Get real. The HTC One is the only phone close to iPhone 5 in build quality. S3 or S4 don't stand a chance in that department. And, the iPhone 5 is faster than just about any Android phone on the market, even with a dual-core.
I am a fan of both platforms, but give credit on both sides where it is due, and truth is that the iPhone 5 is a remarkable phone. That is why it is the best selling single phone in the U.S.
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Build shmild

S4 has battery options, sd slot and a bigger display in a slightly smaller footprint than the One. Though I agree with your point, a lot of folks here prefer options and less constraint. Both the devices compared to even the S3 are inferior by default in that regard, though if you care less for the above features, no harm no foul.

Must admit I like my iPod 5 64gb a lot, but use mainly as a music source and a few games. Not too many, since prefer a bigger display. Point is true on the CPU, since even the A5 plays MAME faster than the S4 dual in the Galaxy S3.

My iPad 4 plays MAME far better and makes the Tegra 3 seem like a 'gurleee' man chip, in spite of 2.5X higher display resolution than my Android tabs. A point why mentioned before that if the 600 is faster than the A6, I will be VERY happy with the S4.

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It seems to me that the Galaxy SIII showed people how well Samsung can build phones, phones that are worth serious consideration. People like us who hang out on forums discussing phones are not the target audience, though; we'll always find nits to pick.

But the "average" user will find a lot to like with the Galaxy S4. My girlfriend is an example, as she currently has an iPhone 4. She is beginning to realize just how small her phone is compared to my SIII. Her upgrade is available next month and she doesn't want to wait for the iPhone "5S," as she doesn't like the iPhone 5.

I think there are many more people like this out there. Not necessarily iPhone converts, but people who are tired of their old, smaller screened phones who want something "different." Samsung has used marketing to convince people their phones are different, and as a result they will get people that are similar to Apple customers but who pay a bit more attention to specs.

Me, I don't think the specs are superior enough to get rid of my one year old SIII. But for average people, the phone will be more than they ever need.

Now I'm really curious about the upcoming Google/Motorola X phone....
This is the boat I'm in exactly! I have been an iPhone user since 2009, and for me it is time for a change in my cell phone experience. I am coming over from an iPhone 4S and my wife has the iPhone 5. There just isnt anything that Apple has done recently to make me want to wait for the 5s. Apple has not changed there OS in the last 3 phones or so, aside from minor changes. I feel the GS4 will give me a more hands on experience with my phone and allow me to design homepages the way i want without needing to jailbreak it.

I cant wait to make the switch!!
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Get real. The HTC One is the only phone close to iPhone 5 in build quality. S3 or S4 don't stand a chance in that department. And, the iPhone 5 is faster than just about any Android phone on the market, even with a dual-core.
I am a fan of both platforms, but give credit on both sides where it is due, and truth is that the iPhone 5 is a remarkable phone. That is why it is the best selling single phone in the U.S.
Based on the feedback from our HTC One owners in UK who also have the iPhone 5, the One is faster, has a longer lasting battery and is absolutely on par with the iP5 on build quality.

As my statements are based on feedback from actual owners, and because the SGS4 is even faster, I think I'm far more real than you give me credit for.

Both phones feature better displays, larger displays, better processors so at minimum, both phones have better hardware than the iPhone 5. Add to that the various hardware that Apple does not have - and the list is VERY long on the One (optical image stabilization, dual-diaphram microphones, louder speakers by far) - as well as an IR port on both, no add-on required - it's really no contest.

No where did I dog the iPhone - I simply stated facts.

(except that aluminum first thing, I've already admitted to being pants on that lmao)
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Based on the feedback from our HTC One owners in UK who also have the iPhone 5, the One is faster has a longer lasting battery and is absolutely on par with the iP5 on build quality.

As my statements are based on feedback from actual owners, and because the SGS4 is even faster, I think I'm far more real than you give me credit for.

Both phones feature better displays, larger displays, better processors so at minimum, both phones have better hardware than the iPhone 5. Add to that the various hardware that Apple does not have - and the list is VERY long on the One (optical image stabilization, dual-diaphram microphones, louder speakers by far) - as well as an IR port on both, no add-on required - it's really no contest.

No where did I dog the iPhone - I simply stated facts.
Though I despise not having the option of a micro sd slot even more than no battery option, the One seems a no brainer over the iPhone 5. Some people though thrive on the Apple ecosystem over Android's far more fragmented version. I like both Competition rocks!!!

Now, if something could "kill" off the patent trolls, since they are "killing" competition. Patent trolls hurt consumers in the long run. Tangent to the thread?? Likely.

Added: Had the One had a sd slot like the Chinese version, it would sell even more than it will now in other markets. Why create a constraint that only helps the competition that has the option? Samsung says THANK YOU to HTC.
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"Based on the feedback from our HTC One owners in UK who also have the iPhone 5, the One is faster, has a longer lasting battery and is absolutely on par with the iP5 on build quality."

Which is basically what I said. It is probably the only phone faster than the 5 (maybe the DNA), and I did praise it's build quality. Matter of fact, if Verizon was getting it, I would probably try one.
I'm just not crazy about Samsung phones. I've read too many complaints about GPS, radio reception, etc. Maybe the S4 will be an improvement, as it seems that the Note 2 doesn't have the forementioned problems of the S3.
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Though I despise not having the option of a micro sd slot even more than no battery option, the One seems a no brainer over the iPhone 5. Some people though thrive on the Apple ecosystem over Android's far more fragmented version. I like both Competition rocks!!!

Now, if something could "kill" off the patent trolls, since they are "killing" competition. Patent trolls hurt consumers in the long run. Tangent to the thread?? Likely.

Added: Had the One had a sd slot like the Chinese version, it would sell even more than it will now in other markets. Why create a constraint that only helps the competition that has the option? Samsung says THANK YOU to HTC.
If I could agree with each of your 3 points - competition rocks, patent trolling sucks (my words), and what's up with the whole sd card thing - more than 100%, I would!
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I'm just not crazy about Samsung phones. I've read too many complaints about GPS, radio reception, etc. Maybe the S4 will be an improvement, as it seems that the Note 2 doesn't have the forementioned problems of the S3.
I do not know how long you have been using mobile phone and how many you have had yourself, but I can assure you, that GPS issues on Galaxy S were not present on S2 or S3.

You are just over-generalizing on issues. Those issues have happened to all manufacturers. I have had quite a few phones in the last decade or so and have had a fair share of issues. Stating that all Samsung Galaxy phones have GPS problems because there was a problem on the original one is a bit unfair.

I have never seen any major problems with reception on Samsung either. I have seen Apple ship free edge cases when they screwed up iPhone antennas. I have seen other issues on many phones too, just do not over-generalize as that does not work well in any area of life.
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I do not know how long you have been using mobile phone and how many you have had yourself, but I can assure you, that GPS issues on Galaxy S were not present on S2 or S3.

You are just over-generalizing on issues. Those issues have happened to all manufacturers. I have had quite a few phones in the last decade or so and have had a fair share of issues. Stating that all Samsung Galaxy phones have GPS problems because there was a problem on the original one is a bit unfair.

I have never seen any major problems with reception on Samsung either. I have seen Apple ship free edge cases when they screwed up iPhone antennas. I have seen other issues on many phones too, just do not over-generalize as that does not work well in any area of life.
You need to read the forums, as there are many about GPS problems on the S3, and also about dropping calls. I didn't say all of them, but there are enough of them to warrant complaints being posted.
And, I have had many phones, Android and IOS, for whatever that is worth. It seems to make a difference to you.
It seems like you need to follow your own advice about over-generalization, as you said that I said that ALL Galaxy phones had a GPS problem. Reading comprehension is important.
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Ok - let's play nice, no need to start getting all personal up in here.

Here's a fact - despite common model names, there were many variations of the SGS2 (that thing used every top-end SoC main processor), of the SGS3 (two different processors there) - and both had a plethora of different radio transceivers put on-board.

So yes/no to SGS2/3 on radio/GPS is like saying - "I can prove that people don't like cheese."

Everyone's mileage varies on this, everyone's experiences are valid.

But to say no issues for any phone model by any user on any carrier?

I've never met such a phone myself.

And yeah - depending on the variation and model, many have complained about SGS2 and SGS3 models. And have switched to HTC as the superior phone.

By the exact same token, many have had those problems on HTCs and switched to a Samsung model as the superior phone.

People do not like cheese.

Some people do not like cheese.

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I agree there are no apparent GPS issues with the S3, but the 3G radio is pretty crummy. Ditto on the 4G signal being lost and defaulting to 3G, even in good signal 4G areas. I have to use Open Signal to regain 4G. This could be more a firmware issue, since is happens more since the last update.......

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I agree there are no apparent GPS issues with the S3, but the 3G radio is pretty crummy. Ditto on the 4G signal being lost and defaulting to 3G, even in good signal 4G areas. I have to use Open Signal to regain 4G. This could be more a firmware issue, since is happens more since the last update.......

........... beercheese is good.
Verizon correct? Just checking.

My experience with both the Galaxy Nexus, and Galaxy S3, is that at least on Verizon, their radios are not as capable as HTC's or Motorola's. But until we see what's going on, we can't automatically bestow the same dubious honor on the S4. Maybe they will fix it.
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Based on the feedback from our HTC One owners in UK who also have the iPhone 5, the One is faster, has a longer lasting battery and is absolutely on par with the iP5 on build quality.

As my statements are based on feedback from actual owners, and because the SGS4 is even faster, I think I'm far more real than you give me credit for.
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I agree there are no apparent GPS issues with the S3, but the 3G radio is pretty crummy. Ditto on the 4G signal being lost and defaulting to 3G, even in good signal 4G areas. I have to use Open Signal to regain 4G. This could be more a firmware issue, since is happens more since the last update.......

........... beercheese is good.
I am one of the UK iPhone 5 / HTC One owners Earlymon refers to above and have posted prolifically on here about the incredibly positive experience I have had with my new HTC One in the time I have had it. I also have an SGS2 and had an SGS3, which brings me on to Rushmore's point above.

I had the S3 for about two months and every day was torture. It had awful radio signal reception and I had GPS problems with mine ('Day one' phone, UK, locked to Vodafone) so much so that I got rid of it the day the iPhone 5 was released. My S2 however has been functioning perfectly since I got it but it is now getting a bit tired and worn, hence the new HTC One to replace it. However, the S2 has hardly missed a beat since I got it.

Funnily enough, I was going to hold off on buying the HTC until the SGS4 was released but just couldn't. As Earlymon said above, the HTC is far and away superior to the iPhone 5 in my opinion (remember, just my opinion, not stating facts). I believe it has a better screen, better camera for my uses, equally as good build quality, it is faster and the battery life is far and away superior (just check my posts in the 'battery life' thread and the 'reviews from actual owners' thread here on the HTC One forum for my thoughts and opinions).

However, Vodafone are doing a deal where I can extend my contract back to the full 24 months and they will knock 70% off the termination fee and give me a new S4, so I am thinking of doing that and running the S4 alongside the HTC One for a while for comparisons and then selling whichever one I consider to be inferior. Whichever one I consider to be inferior though will still be one heck of a phone and knock pretty much anything else on the market out of the water.

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Verizon correct? Just checking.

My experience with both the Galaxy Nexus, and Galaxy S3, is that at least on Verizon, their radios are not as capable as HTC's or Motorola's. But until we see what's going on, we can't automatically bestow the same dubious honor on the S4. Maybe they will fix it.

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I certainly hope that the G4 and HTC One are better spec wise than the iPhone 5, it came out 6 months ago! I suspect the iPhone 5s will have better specs than the G4 and HTC One when it comes out 6 months from now as well. Silly comparisons.
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I suspect the iPhone 5s will have better specs than the G4 and HTC One when it comes out 6 months from now as well. Silly comparisons.
I would be very surprised if the iPhone 5s has a 1080p display, since the 5 didn't even catch up with the existing 720p displays; but we'll have to wait and see.
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To do so would be to eat crow and admit that they were wrong about phone size all along. I don't see that happening given their magnanimous pride. Their biggest goal will be to get more iSheep to turn in their old iPhone for a new one.
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We need a new form of Godwin's Law (google it), and because I'm coining it, I'll call it Early's Law -

Given enough time, all comparative threads involving a Samsung phone will degrade to pointless iPhone hate and someone will use the word iSheep.

Put another way -

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To do so would be to eat crow and admit that they were wrong about phone size all along. I don't see that happening given their magnanimous pride.
They could claim it's a very small iPad with built in telephony.

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