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Old April 9th, 2013, 01:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Verizon bloatware on Galaxy S4 ? iPhone 5 none.

I'm guessing that the new S4 from Verizon will come with their bloatware pre installed.
Why does Verizon put this crap on the Galaxy phones while the iPhone 5 came bloatware free from Verizon?

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Old April 9th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's what essentially happens when a company who has as much clout and control as Apple does. Verizon said to Apple, "we want the iPhone on our network." Apple said "fine, but only on our terms."

I'm sure that Verizon wasn't exactly happy about that particular arrangement considering that Verizon has historically been a dictator when it comes to what is allowed on their network. But, I figure that they were losing too many customers what with all of the iSheep fleeing to other carriers to get the iPhone. Apple knew they had Verizon by the... well, you get the idea.
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Because Verizon need the iPhone more than Apple need Verizon. Simple as that.

Verizon would put it on the iPhone too if they could, but Jobs wanted the iPhone to be an Apple device rather than a carrier device, and was stubborn enough and in a strong enough position that he could make it stick.

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And Samsung laughs all the way to bank whether you buy an iPhone or a Samsung (they laugh _and skip_ when it's a Sammy), so now that they have the clout, they may never care.

Time will tell.

Meanwhile, rooting is cool and lets you solve the problem.
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Yeah, but at least with recent versions of Android you can disable apps. Hopefully I can disable most if not all of the bloatware that the S4 comes with on AT&T.
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So I guess I'm supposed to want an iPhone 5 now instead of an S4.

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So I guess I'm supposed to want an iPhone 5 now instead of an S4.

Yeah right. When pigs fly.
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So I guess I'm supposed to want an iPhone 5 now instead of an S4.

I got a nice black 64GB I'll sell you cheap as soon as I can purchase the Verizon S4.
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I got a nice black 64GB I'll sell you cheap as soon as I can purchase the Verizon S4.
How cheap?
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can this bloatware easily be removed by uninstalling it?
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can this bloatware easily be removed by uninstalling it?
Rooting is the same thing as getting admin access on your PC.

Out of box you don't have it, only your carrier or Samsung.

If any bloatware is installed in the /system (or other protected) folder, then you can uninstall it by rooting. No big deal really, just a different path than you may be used to if you've never rooted.

Sometimes carrier bloatware is easily uninstallable without root.

Sometimes you can deactivate it without root. It will still take some marginal storage on your phone, but it won't/can't run.

I guess that we'll have to wait and see which carrier does what with which bloatware.

I'd be very surprised if there were just one answer.
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If all the manufacturers joined to leverage Verizon like Apple did, wouldn't they have to cave and not add any bloat?
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A key reason why VZW does not make much effort pushing iPhone, but does with Android. VZW takes bloat to another level.
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Not only that but Android is a lot more profitable than the iPhone is. Apple takes more of that $200 to $300 you pay for the phone when you buy it. The iPhone is more expensive for Verizon to sell.

Android is nearly all profit for Verizon.
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Not only that but Android is a lot more profitable than the iPhone is. Apple takes more of that $200 to $300 you pay for the phone when you buy it. The iPhone is more expensive for Verizon to sell.

Android is nearly all profit for Verizon.
Then it would make it less risky for android device manufacturers to leverage Verizon and lay down non-bloat terms just like Apple did.
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No, I don't think so.

There are 2 types of bloatware: stuff the carrier wants you to use (makes money for them or helps lock you in), and stuff publishers are paying them to preload. Either way, they want it there.

The manufacturers want their devices to be picked up *and promoted* by the carriers. So are they going to push hard for a deal that, if they can get it at all (really big if), is likely to end with them getting a worse price and their kit not pushed? The carriers in the US have the power, and I doubt they want that to change. The iPhone situation was unique, in that not carrying it was visibly costing them customers in large numbers.

Plus, Jobs cared about this. Do you think Samsung do?
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No, I don't think so.

There are 2 types of bloatware: stuff the carrier wants you to use (makes money for them or helps lock you in), and stuff publishers are paying them to preload. Either way, they want it there.

The manufacturers want their devices to be picked up *and promoted* by the carriers. So are they going to push hard for a deal that, if they can get it at all (really big if), is likely to end with them getting a worse price and their kit not pushed? The carriers in the US have the power, and I doubt they want that to change. The iPhone situation was unique, in that not carrying it was visibly costing them customers in large numbers.

Plus, Jobs cared about this. Do you think Samsung do?
I personally know people who bought their iPhones almost exclusively because of no bloatware. Maybe HTC doesn't have the clout, but Samsung sells enough phones they should be able to tell Verizon (since they are the worst) you're not getting the S4 unless you agree to reduce the bloatware and carry more than just the 16gb version.
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That's something new I've noticed since I received my S4. Can I safely disable all bloatware without having issues with the phone? Anyone have a list of apps that can safely be disabled?
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