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Old May 6th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #201 (permalink)
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Sad that some carriers can not be more forthright. Apparently At&t is going to also offer the 64gb at some point. Believe it when I see it, but they are offering the 32gb- unlike Verizon so far.

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I noticed that AT&T is selling their 32GB version for $249. That is the same price Sprint is selling their 16GB.
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Ditto for VZW. They are charging what they did for the 32gb last year it seems. Perhaps they think they can make more margin this way. Charge same price and people that need the 32gb will be naive enough to believe apps can be moved to the sd card. Then after the grace period: SURPRISE! You have been punked, courtesy of Verizon......

Sure would be nice if other carriers where I live had better coverage. That and keep my unlimited Sprint and Tmo are weak in my area.
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I noticed that AT&T is selling their 32GB version for $249. That is the same price Sprint is selling their 16GB.
I saw that too. I can't say I understood why Sprint had their 16GB S4 priced at $250 when everyone else had it for only $200. I guess as long as people are forking over the cash because they want the phone so bad then you can't blame Sprint for wanting more revenue.

Since AT&T has announced availability and pricing of their 32GB version, hopefully Sprint follows suit. Although that would likely mean a $300 price tag. Personally I'm still waiting for someone to put the Sprint 16gb S4 "on sale" for $200 before I upgrade, then I'll get Best Buy to price match. I'm also waiting on the Google I/O this week to see if they announce anything about the next CDMA Nexus or the X Phone before I get the S4.
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Sprint stores at launch are almost always higher than street price, then tend to level off after or just within about a month.
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Sprint stores at launch are almost always higher than street price, then tend to level off after or just within about a month.
Good to know, thanks. I figured that might be the case but didn't realize there was precedent. I'm not in any huge hurry, so I'll just hold out a little longer.
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With AT&T announcement, I will assume Verizon will also be announcing the same in the next few days. I really don't want to jump ship, but Verizon is in the drivers seat. They decided against the HTC One. Hopefully not to then emasculate the best phone being offered.
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I was just at Sam's Club earlier and saw the GS4 for $198.88 for Sprint. Also they charge tax on the $ 198.88 not on the full price of the phone like Best Buy does. But I am not sure why Sprint is charging so much for the 16GB GS4. I bought my 32GB GS3 for $249 when it first came out. This makes no sense to me.
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I suggest that to some degree each carrier looks at their financial view from a bubble. Please consider sitting in a room with a Power Point slide and showing the revenue stream selling the lower cost 16GB for the same price while not offering a 32GB at all. This forces (in their mind) their loyal lemming like (in their mind) customer install base to blindly buy the 16GB for the same price as the 32GB last year. More apparent gross margin $ and marketing and CFO all do a jig.

To Sprint, Tmo and Verizon, this makes the net present value for that product segment look VERY good. AT&T to their credit appear not to be playing such games.

Given Verizon's VERY uniform misleading effort along with Samsung of telling everybody it is an easy storage fix for apps by adding an sd card, I have resigned to believe their is method to the madness. No 32GB was planned. Might they reconsider? Only if sales are impacted year over year with the S3 along with expected growth due to their bigger install base now. This suggests a 32GB would be a reaction decision which suggest months rather than weeks later to act.

JMO, FWIW- which ain't much. Added: We could all wake up one day and VZW & others announce a 32GB before launch. You never know ....... Meh.
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You are right about Samsung saying the easy fix is to add an SD card. They fail to mention the fine print, being that unless you are rooted Android took away the ability to install apps on SD card.

So you're right their "fix" is very misleading as many people when they run out of space for apps on their 16GB S4 only have 2 options: Root their device to use SD for apps, or buy the bigger 32GB model.

And not everyone is going to be savvy enough to mess around with rooting their device.
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Hey rushmore, I thought you would like to see a few snippets from my chat with Verizon. Every once in awhile I like to check in with them to see what they are telling people out there:

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David: Will you be selling the 32GB model of the Galaxy S4? I don't see it up for pre-order. I use many apps that require a lot of internal memory.
Kaitlyn: We only have the 16GB put you can install a 64GB memory card. Will that work for you?
David: Not really, like I said, I need more internal memory for apps.
Kaitlyn: 64GB card will act like the internal memory because it will hold a lot. I have the S3 I can install my music, pictures, and apps on my SD card. So all my apps are on my SD card.
Kaitlyn: Can you quote me an app that can not be saved to your SD card?
David: All of them.
Kaitlyn: Allow me to check my apps, and with a manager. Because all of mines are saved on my sd card right now.
Kaitlyn: According to my manager information, and my information (which I have the phone) you will be able to do what I am talking to you about.
David: Check again. You can put music and other media or any files you want on the microsd like a thumb drive but you can't installs apps on the microsd. If you have a few large games or use the Google Music app that caches music only on to the internal memory you could be in trouble.
Kaitlyn: If you would like assistance with transferring your files onto your sd card. We have classes for that as well.
Sigh--I like how she wanted me to go to a class about it! I sent her a couple links about the issue and told her to educate herself.
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Sigh--I like how she wanted me to go to a class about it! I sent her a couple links about the issue and told her to educate herself.
That's a key piece of misinformation that's out there. "Well you have a SD card slot, so you can save whatever you want on there." They don't know that Android has since DISALLOWED you from installing apps on your SD card (unless your device is rooted, which would void your warranty, and carriers such as Verizon wouldn't want you circumventing those would they?).

I never realized you couldn't install apps on SD until recently, up until then I figured I could always install a 64GB SD card and I'd be fine.

Pretty sad though that carriers give this type of bogus information to customers who are looking to purchase a new device. They should educate customers so they can make educated decisions on which product will best suit their needs. Nothing like being told you'll be ok because you can get an SD card, when after the fact you see your device is full and now you are out of luck because you are past your return date.
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I suspect the part of the reason is because the 32gb and 64gb versions would be very expensive even if on contract, let alone full-retail... so they will probably get released further down the line, depending on individual carrier demand and etc.
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The nice thing about this is that you can use it as ammo down the line if you ever need an early upgrade. I've always been able to get early upgrades from executive relations because I've been able to show them things like this. I'm never rude or mean about it, I just send ER a nice email showing them something that they provided misinformation about (with the Galaxy Nexus it was easy). It also helps that our family has been with Verizon for over 15 years.
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Sigh--I like how she wanted me to go to a class about it! I sent her a couple links about the issue and told her to educate herself.
I have stopped cutting their people slack for just being ignorant. Seems a uniform near-lying effort now. These CSR "content experts" are perhaps looking at sdcard0 and ass-uming it is the external sd card? Since the external is also mapped as well in the stock file manager app of the S3, it appears these people are on a full-on campaign of pure BS at the expense of their customers that through revenue, GIVE THEM A JOB.

Google pulled the feature out due to people card swapping and cheap sd card use. Too much customer service cost/complaints due to those people.

This could get real nasty in a few months.

Added: What is going on with Samsung and Verizon with the sd card BS? Recalcitrance, or mental flatulence?
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Sigh--I like how she wanted me to go to a class about it! I sent her a couple links about the issue and told her to educate herself.
I got basically the same answers from Marcus. When I said, I guarantee you can remove your SD card, and your apps will still be there, he said "I don't want to get into an argument with you, but I know much more about the S4 than you do." I said that he was wrong, and disconnected before I got obscene.
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I'll be upgrading to this phone, the Nexus 4, or the HTC One in the very near future, and I am psyched for real internal memory. As someone that has 1gb of internal storage on their phone (HTC 3VO), just adding an SDcard doesn't cut it by any means. I'm constantly partitioning my files. I've given up on updating apps since there is no room left. If you're a power user, you NEED more storage.
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vzw will probably take heat for saying apps can be saved to sd. and deservedly so. which makes me wonder why google hasn't jumped into the mix yet?? vzw would be better off just telling people it's highly unlikely they'll need more than 9gb of app storage space anyway. then point folks to their settings screen so they can see how much app space they're currently using, just to prove the point. people are just gonna load up the same apps they have right now anyway.

that said, i doubt they'll get dinged because 9gb of app storage isn't enough (except for the gamers). where they'll get dinged is their incompetence and lack of knowledge on how the software on their flagship phone actually works. i'm a little baffled at why google hasn't clarified this for them yet. how long can this go on before google starts to take some collateral damage? they have to know by now that the carriers are misrepresenting the functionality of their software...
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I have two things to "say":

1. Due to the trend of app data growth and a device being pushed for games, media and social apps with a fancy chipset- THAT and the virtual lying going on is a combo for disaster. More people will notice the storage issue, especially if no 32GB option to go to. Samsung as reference is working with both EA and Gameloft touting games that are on average 1.8GB each when installed.

2. Verizon likes Nickleback......... AND Limp Bizkit. If that ain't a mega-slam, not sure what is.


Edit: I almost removed the Limp Bizkit part due to going too low, but they deserve it.
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Right. And in addition to apps growing in size, there will be more and more unique and useful apps in the future too, meaning people will gradually install more and more apps as their usefulness increases, and this also will cause more people to run into storage issues. 16GB wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but when almost 1/2 of it is taken up out of the box, that doesn't leave you with a ton of room to grow.
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I had originally purchased the Samsung galaxy s4 (16 gig)in white a few days ago as they had sold out of the Black (16 gig) version I really wanted. Actually, it was saved for me and another sales person sold it! So, I was told if I went ahead and got the white one I would get the next black galaxy s4 as soon as it came in with no exchange fees. I almost backed out, but thought what the heck, just kick the tires on it and see what I thought at no risk as they also told me if I didn't like it I could return it at no charge. They got the new phones in today and i was expecting a quick and easy change out when I overheard a salesperson glowing about having a 32 gig model in the store and I quickly asked to see it! Yep! It's true! I paid the remaining 50 dollars to upgrade with 16 more gigs of fun and couldn't be any more happy!!! Sometimes things happen for a reason. Having the extra gigs provides extra comfort for the 2 years I will most likely have this phone! I'm curious how many people will exchange their phones for this model or stick with the 16 gig.

I live in the Houston/Katy area in Texas
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Why do I think this will not be the same happy result with other carriers? Verizon (aka The Cult of the Misleaders) in particular.
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I just started a new thread before I saw this, but At&t in store has the new 32 gig Samsung Galaxy S4 at the store i went to in Houston/Katy area! I got mine just as they came into the store!
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I just started a new thread before I saw this, but At&t in store has the new 32 gig Samsung Galaxy S4 at the store i went to in Houston/Katy area! I got mine just as they came into the store!
How much memory do you have out the 32GBs?
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Out of curiosity, out of all the apps I'm assuming games are the main culprits of being storage hogs, is that right? Looking at my current phone I don't use a lot of games, and am only using around 600MB in space. Chrome is my biggest app at roughly 66MB, where my biggest game is Super Stickman Golf at 33MB.

I'm figuring I'll likely be plenty fine with the 16GB S4, knowing I only have 1GB of space on my Evo 3D and I'm not close to filling that up yet, and the fact I'm not a big mobile gamer. I'd have to use up more then 8x more space then I am right now, and I don't see that likely happening over the course of the next 2 years.

I'm assuming the majority of people with similar usage habits to mine would likely never run into a storage space issue with the 16GB S4, and if space was getting tight, you can get a 64GB SD card for documents and media. Does that sound logical?
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The average 3d game now is 400 mb. Even with the smaller card and 2d games, average is over 30mb. If no game playing, 9gb should be fine.

Depending on the Android version, some phones list only what is in the system allocation and the rest in the internal "sd" mapped storage. The total of both allocations is the actual storage used in that case.
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Games pretty much is the main storage hog, especially if you have games that needs additional data (ranges from 300mb to 1+gigs). Other than that if your a root user and keep your nandroid on the internal sd card, that'll kill your storage real quick (1.5 gigs on touchwiz rom for 1 nandroid)

However even with a 16 or 32 gig external sd card, I couldn't see anyone running into storage problems (I haven't yet with my s3), that is unless that person downloads music/videos constantly, as well as having the device filled up with games.
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Game roms also suck space up for some of us. Video media can also eat the external space quickly. Recording or playback.

Music, pictures, etc. Depends on your own utility of the device.
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However even with a 16 or 32 gig external sd card, I couldn't see anyone running into storage problems (I haven't yet with my s3), that is unless that person downloads music/videos constantly, as well as having the device filled up with games.
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What do you all think of this plan to get around the Google Music caching issue:

I currently link the Google Music uploader on my PC to my iTunes library and stream most of my music from my Play library in the cloud. I figured I would just use Samsung Kies and point it to my iTunes music folder instead and let it sync to the SD card (I ordered the 64GB SDXC one from Sandisk for $25 via Amazon Warehouse Deals). It can sync wirelessly via WiFi so that's a nice plus.

So with this setup I can use whatever music player I want, sync it with my iTunes library wirelessly, and not have to worry about what is in the cloud or on the device since it's all going on the SD card. This would make me feel a little better about the 16GB model.
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How much memory do you have out the 32GBs?

They transferred my contacts and a handful of pics, but right now shows 24.03 gigs. So, I would imagine somewhere between 24 to 25 gigs.
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They transferred my contacts and a handful of pics, but right now shows 24.03 gigs. So, I would imagine somewhere between 24 to 25 gigs.
About 9 plus 16 more, makes sense, thanks for verifying.
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i haven't seen the growth in app sizes you guys are talking about. most apps seem to be trending towards being lighter with the exception of games. let's take a look at the play store...

browse the top 30 paid apps in the play store and all of them could be installed with under 2gb of app data used. and that includes social media, office, productivity, utilities, etc.

add the top 10 paid games in the play store and that would add under 3gb. that includes some big name ea titles and angry birds, temple runner, etc.

that's 50 of the top apps in android play store that would take up less than 5gb on the device. leaving the user with more than 3gb available for a bunch of 'normal' android apps that are usually around 10mb or smaller in size. which would be at least a few hundred more apps.

looking at the data seems to support that most people just don't need a whole bunch of space for app storage aside from those loading large games. this is probably the same information google shares with the manufacturers in determining how much internal space for apps most android users need.

32gb should be an option and if one comes out i'll get it just because (), but the better point is about the mis-communication and incompetence of app storage space vs sd card usage (which i think google should address). trying to make the point that most people are going to need the app space doesn't seem to be accurate. the data just doesn't support that theory. just saying there is a perspective of reality that drives decision makers that aren't based on the microcosm of users that post in forums. we're important too, but on a much smaller scale.
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Yes but it depends on what apps we're talking about. Specifically 3d games & cloud apps require a lot of data cache that is usually in the internal storage. Those are the apps that are getting bigger.

Both the content being pushed and marketed by providers, and hardware feature sets are counterintuitive to the storage that is being offered.

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Still when all said and done, root cause here is our carriers should be offering choice. That seems a better option than misleading customers about apps on sd cards.
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Or books or personal documents or work documents or pictures or videos taken or...

For most normal people I meant
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2. Verizon likes Nickleback......... AND Limp Bizkit. If that ain't a mega-slam, not sure what is.


Edit: I almost removed the Limp Bizkit part due to going too low, but they deserve it.

Verizon - for shame. They "did it all for the nookie..."

I hope T-Mobile gets the 32 gig Galaxy S4 soon. I really would like to upgrade.
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Sprint and Tmo are hungry for new customers, so if there is any chance to gain or keep customers, they will add the 32gb. The odd one out of the "big ones" is Verizon. I can not help but think that some of their people are brilliant in their own mind:

Marketing genius while showing a pretty Power Point slide:

"I have a game changer here! If we just sell the 16gb and price as the 32gb from last year, there will be no customer sense of differentiation. Based on the expected mean of sales, we can increase margin by selling just the 16GB!"

Recent hire that happens to be at the meeting and loaded with new-enthusiasm:

"But the engineer devs are saying the storage is low after out of box installs. Could we at least offer the 32GB as well and charge $50 more?".

A cold silence covers the room. Marketing genius says:

"What low storage?! EVERYBODY knows you can install apps to the sd card! Next!".

Marketing and finance bust out in a group dance similar to the silly Microsoft Surface commerical. New hire goes to a corner, starts sucking his thumb and thinking of a happy place.
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This should be interesting.
Teaser at end of BBC1 Watchdog on 20130508 for Samsung Galaxy 4 feature on lack of user memory.
BBC One Watchdog Teaser - 20130508 - YouTube
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If anyone doubts the increased interest in a S4 model with more storage, check out a local AT&T today onwards.

Carriers not offering one while also misleading customers are setting themselves up for bad PR.
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Well Samsung UK have an answer to that - nobody gets the anything but the 16GB model
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I think eventually all main carriers along with eventual Samsung prodding should get 32gb models in more retail channels. Catch is that will not be soon.
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Hey rushmore, I thought you would like to see a few snippets from my chat with Verizon. Every once in awhile I like to check in with them to see what they are telling people out there:

Sigh--I like how she wanted me to go to a class about it! I sent her a couple links about the issue and told her to educate herself.
I'm sure the answer is no but figured I'd ask anyway.

is downloading to the SD Card the same thing per say as downloading to internal memory and transferring the app to the SD Card?

or is transferring to the SD card the only way to put appz on the SD Card to begin with?
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I'm sure the answer is no but figured I'd ask anyway.

is downloading to the SD Card the same thing per say as downloading to internal memory and transferring the app to the SD Card?
Not sure what you mean but if it's about personal media and data - the answer is a qualified yes.

All media and a lot of your other data - books, documents - can go to the sd card.

But not all apps can access it there directly.

You cannot transfer apps to the sd card.

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There is NO putting apps on the sd card, outside of root, and even then, only with severe performance penalties.

You cannot transfer apps to the sd card.
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Not sure what you mean but if it's about personal media and data - the answer is a qualified yes.

All media and a lot of your other data - books, documents - can go to the sd card.

But not all apps can access it there directly.

You cannot transfer apps to the sd card.

There is NO putting apps on the sd card, outside of root, and even then, only with severe performance penalties.

You cannot transfer apps to the sd card.
In all these folks defense, both Samsung and the carriers are pushing this BS.
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In all these folks defense, both Samsung and the carriers are pushing this BS.
Well, lets hope this coming Wednesday evening when here in the UK the BBC Watchdog program (which for those not in the know Watchdog is a major consumer program where they 'invite' CEO's and all manner of Exec's to come on the show and give account) will raise the bar.
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In all these folks defense, both Samsung and the carriers are pushing this BS.
I know.

Just answering the question as clearly as I can, not passing judgment on anyone here.
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I talked to my local store yesterday, hoping they had 32GB units, but none have arrived yet. They indicated they will work with me to exchange my 16Gb unit. We'll see how that shakes out.

I can probably make do with a 16GB S4, but prefer a 32GB to have more headroom... just in case. I expect to have this phone for the next couple of years...

Edit: out of curiosity... how much room do the 16GB GN2 phones have after the OS and bloatware are loaded? I had my GN2 for less than 10 days and don't recall.
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Just answering the question as clearly as I can, not passing judgment on anyone here.
I did not mean you were, but just pointing out- no wonder the wrong information persists.
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You have to marvel at the irony of the large hubub deal with EA/Gameloft releasing/optimizing a whole bunch of games for the S4 when you have hardly any space to store them thanks to Samsung failing to offer 32/64GB models.

Getting quite annoyed at the fact we are receiving no information on these. The snapdragon one is available in 32GB but that's it.
Samsung delivering a Huawei-style media blackout with S4 news. They've no doubt received a mountain of enquiries (including one from me) but have chosen to ignore them all, quite unacceptable.

A 'we'll provide more details when we can' response simply won't fly, they've had long enough.
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