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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:02 AM   #251 (permalink)
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Here is a summary of the apparent reality at least for us Verizon folks:

1. Their install base keeps growing due to their coverage map
2. They have a LOT of legacy unlimited data customers- Most (me included) will go nowhere and they know it. We are essentially a captive/fixed install base for them.
3. Verizon seems to be milking customers by charging the 32Gb price from last year for the 16Gb this year. Unless sales fail to hit their projections, why introduce another model?
4. Their own people are uniformly misleading people that ask about the 32GB- this suggests it is a scripted response from corporate.
5. There is no information about a 32GB in their system which means there is no SKU code for the product. No way that we see the option at launch- if ever.

Given that Verizon did not even bother with the new LG 5.5" Pro (32gb and sd slot), it seems that Verizon is milking its customers by selling lower total cost products at higher margins. They are a business, so as long as their install base keeps growing to their projections, they will probably not change course. Why would they?

A little insight is what goes on in sales and operations planning meetings that are driven by quarter points and fiscal year goals. All the higher ups get their bonuses based on making or beating the numbers. Most tend to "sandbag" the numbers so that whatever the minimum goals are, THAT is what they plan for. This way, they assure they get their BONUSES for the year

My verbose point being- Sure, not selling a 32GB will hurt them, but if they sandbagged their sales projections, it will not be enough to get in the way of their bonuses. THAT is the most important thing over ANYTHING else. Word.

Added: Actually, the sales projection/sandbag/bonus stuff can be used for other carriers as well. Simple point being, Verizon is not hungry and the other carriers are. That is why the others are offering IMO better device options now.

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The most asinine thing is you would think Google would be PUSHING both makers and carriers to offer larger storage options and sd slots. The Google market is a giant shopping mall, but the Samsung S4 16G and other devices like it create a small parking lot.

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Well, lets hope this coming Wednesday evening when here in the UK the BBC Watchdog program (which for those not in the know Watchdog is a major consumer program where they 'invite' CEO's and all manner of Exec's to come on the show and give account) will raise the bar.
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Don't get your hopes up on this! WAtchdog will just say that the advertised 16gb is in fact only about 9GB. They will not get technical about no longer being able to move apps to SD card and the lie about buying a large capacity SD card to address the problem.
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Don't get your hopes up on this! WAtchdog will just say that the advertised 16gb is in fact only about 9GB. They will not get technical about no longer being able to move apps to SD card and the lie about buying a large capacity SD card to address the problem.
What makes you so sure Mickey? It's not like no one has passed this information on to Watchdog.
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The big issue is the carriers and Samsung misleading people that they can put apps on the sd card. THAT is the key point, IMO.
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The most asinine thing is you would think Google would be PUSHING both makers and carriers to offer larger storage options and sd slots. The Google market is a giant shopping mall, but the Samsung S4 16G and other devices like it create a small parking lot.
how so? i showed earlier that you could load 40 of the top paid apps in the playstore (30 of the top paid general apps, 10 of the top paid games) and still have room for a few hundred more apps. the large majority of smartphone users could get 200+ paid apps on the 16gb (9gb) s4. and i doubt most people are going to be using 200+ apps anyway. looks to me like the 16gb s4 would have 0 impact on google's profitability...

lamenting the availability of the 32gb s4 is fair and reasonable. characterizing it as a hit to google's profit or the app maker's profit is a bit of a stretch though.

but keep up the good fight! for those of you who need the 32gb, at least you may be able to take a sliver of credit for pushing them to release it when it becomes available. however, i stand by my expectation that verizon will probably hold the 32gb version until closer to the next iphone announcement or the actual release. i have no insider info, just a guess...
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CNET actually has clout to speak to the more direct people at VZW, unlike Gottamobile's speculation as news:


Will Verizon ever sell a Samsung Galaxy S4 with more storage? | Mobile - CNET News


In summary, Verizon reps do not know if they will or will not carry a 32GB, but the impression given is not to hold your breath on it for now. Especially for launch. I guess I need to look at my 32GB S3 like "new" again.

I stick with the assertion that unless their PLANNED sales targets are compromised, my guess is we will not see a 32GB. Making fiscal plans and targets to get their bonus checks is what drives them. The S4 would have to underperform to their likely sandbagged projections. Not sure that will happen. 50/50 chance went to 10/90 for me. Boo!
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Samsung to investigate Galaxy S4 storage issues

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Users had a valid complaint: when a phone is advertised to come with 16GB, there shouldn’t be close to half of that being taken up for OS use. Sure, formatted storage is always less than the advertised amount, but this falls outside the realm of normal.
completely outside the realm of normal. one could almost argue it's a bait and switch scheme. it won't affect my usage of the device, but this does draw my ire as toeing the line of dishonesty.
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I rectified the issue today by swapping out my 16GB GS4 for a 32GB GS4. I went from the legendary 9.62GB remaining storage to 23.04GB remaining storage, and my wallet is $88 and some change lighter for the effort (with tax). But I'm happy with AT&T for working with me to do the swap since I was sorta-kinda outside the 14 day window.

I checked a display GN2 while there (also a 16GB device) and found that it had 10.9x GB remaining storage. A little better, but not much.

Now on to the task of setting my GS4 back up like the old one... or as close as I can remember.

Edit: while I was there swapping out my 16GB unit, the Samsung rep was in the store and I chatted with her for a while. She was very aware of the issue. Surprisingly, the store personnel said they have not had much pushback from the customers on the issue. Yet.
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Since 9.62 out of box with 16 and should be extra 14.9 with 32gb version, where is the other 1.5gb? Does the 32 have mega extra bloat? Seems to not add up.

Any extra bloat could create a self aware entity of evil......
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I wondered about that too.. but just figured the 32GB ram lost the rest in formatting. Who knows?
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I wondered about that too.. but just figured the 32GB ram lost the rest in formatting. Who knows?
You can know, and show us so we can know by getting Terminal Emulator - free in the Play Store and showing us two screen shots.

First - enter the command df in Terminal Emulator.

Second - enter the command:

cat /proc/partitions

That second one will create a longer listing - just need to the top part of it, thanks.

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I'll take a look at that when I get a few minutes. Thanks for the links and the tip.
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I wondered about that too.. but just figured the 32GB ram lost the rest in formatting. Who knows?
Regardless, it is much better than 9 gigabytes.
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Since 9.62 out of box with 16 and should be extra 14.9 with 32gb version, where is the other 1.5gb? Does the 32 have mega extra bloat? Seems to not add up.
I'll just say this one last time and then let it go for good (as every time I've tried on this, I'm think I'm being universally ignored) -

The numbers already don't add up properly on the US 16 GB model vs the European one.

That's not an opinion - it's a fact. Proven by system tools and posted with pictures here.

Unless the US 16 GB model actually has 18 GB on-board (and it does not), then the actual number on the 16 GB isn't 9.62, it's 7.something.

All that may have happened is the truth is finally being told on the 32 GB model - because ... wait for it...

7 + 16 = 23

Detailed tech is very hard to embrace - but the truth cannot hide from it.
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Here's a screenshot of terminal emulator. Does this tell you what you need to know?
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Oops, forgot screenshot 1.

Also, I haven't updated the firmware yet. Gonna do that now.

Edit: after reviewing the screen shot, I see it duplicates the info in the shot above. I would delete it but don't have that option
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Fabulous, thank you!

You got it all in the first shot, here's what it says -

That 30535680 on mmcblk0 - that's the total space after setup/partitioning available in storage, counted in 1024-byte blocks. In true GB, that's about 30.

The df printout before that shows that "user storage" is just over 24 GB - but whatever you have installed, along with data used by Samsung's built-in apps, and along with overhead taken by Android's filesystem mapping, is taking 912 MB of that, leaving you with 23 GB.

The system totals add up to just a hair over 32 GB, on a device reporting 30 GB available.

That's consistent with what they've done on the 16 GB US models.
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Even though I haven't been looking to possibly exchange my 16GB for a 32GB since I am not close to using all the space, I thought I would send AT&T an email asking about it even though it's outside the exchange period... This is part of the response I received:

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Is this guy serious? He actually contacted Samsung for this? Has this person used smartphones before? He thought it might be achievable with a simple chip swap. LMAO! I guess I should be happy he checked anyway - but it just continues to show that these folks know nothing that they speak of.

He even said I could order the new one at no commitment pricing of $749.99 and to let him know if that is what I would like to do since he'd have to place that order. Umm, it's $669.99 on your own website you clueless moron. No thank you.

Well, it was funny to see the reaction I got. I did respond back to them calling them out on the wrong pricing.
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I asked them if I could take the chip from my broken S2 and put it on a new S2 motherboard but they won't do that either. Old versions of apps are valuable, as they tend to work 100%.

When I get my S4 (64GB Exynos) I am hoping that downloading a new version of an app and pasting the .com folder of that app, from when I moved the app to external SD on the S2, will work. I doubt it, but worth a try.
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Check out "Helium - App Sync and Backup"

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FWIW, I checked one of our 32 GB iPhone 5's and it shows the capacity is 28.1 GB.
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Check out the average app size on iOS. Android apps tend be smaller (code-wise) because they work off of standard shared libraries that are already built-in.
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Depends on the apps and what is shared. I have an iPod 5 and iPad 4 and a lot of same apps and games. None seem to stand out for either OS as far as size . I think the main stand out is Android devices tend to have more carrier and OEM bloat and bling and also the hardware fragmentation results in each OEM with their own dev teams and their own method of image and storage placement.

With Apple there is one dev team and minimum input from carriers.

Added: Must admit it is nice having devices from both, since both have virtues and a few vices.
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I went to a shop today to have a 2nd look at the S4 (I briefly looked at one a couple of weeks ago), and today cancelled my order for a 64gb exynos S4...

Quite frankly, as I first thought, the screen is appalling, in that it's so dark, even on max brightness, I'm not going to put up with it. No point having 440ppi if you don't get to enjoy it.
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If you turn off the auto flesh tone setting, brightness/contrast improves big time. So much so, a few media sites point this out.

The display is very good, especially if you have the S3 for reference. The only thing that sucks IMO on the S4 is the storage issue with no options for larger sizes for the Qualcomm version unless Att customer.

Update:

I was told straight up by a rep that Verizon (of course) knows you can not add apps via sd card, but this is why they have all been trained to say for ALL S4 storage and 32GB complaints, "There are currently no details on a 32GB model, but you can easily add up to 64GB storage with a micro sd card". They are playing semantics games with their customers. The slip is when some paraphrase and call out specifically that apps can. Not part of the script.

There is still no Verizon SKU in their point of sale system showing anything and my buddy thinks this is proof there are no plans for one. That said, nobody has told him they will not carry one and neither has the Samsung rep. Perhaps because Verizon wants to sell one model and throw their BS line about expandable storage. I think I am at -10% chance now, rather than 0%. Given VZW apparent intentional effort to say nothing and mislead about the 16GB, perhaps a negative chance is logical....

A sad voice in my little brain is saying, "Just let it go". If I were not such a stubborn SOB I probably would and should. Meh.
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never give up! lol. doesn't look like you're getting much traction with 32gb from verizon or on foums outside of the gamer community though. the s3 doesn't seem like a bad consolation prize, especially if it still meets your needs. the s4 is really nice!
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Lots of people are upset that there isn't a S4 32GB in Canada.
I just got off the phone with a supervisor from Samsung Canada(Hayden)
Call 1-800-726-7864 cell phones and ask to speak to a supervisor and let him know you want a 32gb version of the S4

Or go to this link right hand side voice of customer click on email and request a 32gb version of S4
Contact us - Samsung

The quicker and the more people that do this will result in us getting the 32gb sooner than later.

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The only carrier in the world to have a 32GB version of the S4 seems to be AT&T and it comes sim locked. Such a travesty.
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I tell you why I need 32 gb because i use google music and when you pin a song to download on my galaxy s3 it saves it to internal memory. Google somehow downloads it to some hidden folder and i can not transfer from internal to my external memory card through the file system. Now with google music all access i have no more room. I either need a 32gb galaxy s4 or google needs to change this.

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Old May 23rd, 2013, 05:18 PM   #282 (permalink)
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Neither option seems likely at the moment. Especially Google changing that.
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One more final post in this S4 forum thread: I was told today by another rep there are no plans for now to carry the S4 32GB. Considering no product SKU exists, this seems the best answer to accept.

Verizon can bite it real good for not letting people know for sure, in a publicly stated capacity. Real simple to do, but probably all part of their brilliant in their own mind, J-Lo loving arrogance.

Added: I find I am not alone in that the VZW "Big announcement" was not the big.
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