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Old February 24th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Would you upgrade from an S3 or S4 for this?

I have friends with both. They are also both very comfortable with their current phones, like them enough, but are curious if all the new features are "worth it" or gimmicks.

What are your thoughts? I think the dust and water resistant factors are probably good, but I have never had those problems myself. I think the HDR real-time is SWEET, 4K is a bit a head of its time, and the fingerprint sensor makes me nervous. Heh.

I do prefer larger screens so that is a little too small for me, but I know it's a great screen!

If battery life is anything like the Note 2/3 - I know anyone who upgrades will be happy. My life changed drastically when I went from charging here and there a couple times a day, to charging every other night!

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No. I go for the big bang which would be Note 4.
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Dust and water resistance? Mine are called zip-lock bags.

HDR real-time is gilding the lily, and 4K, unless you have something you really want to see the details of, and have something to display it on, is a waste right now.

The fingerprint sensor is a good idea - I wish it could be added in an update. The more barriers you put in a thief's way, the more likely he is to give up.

I guess we'll see all this in the N4, but by the time I need a new phone, not just want one for the cute features, we'll probably be seeing the N6 (or my headstone).

Would I give up one of my N3s for an S5? No.
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I went from the Note2, to the S4 back on Labor Day weekend, because I drowned my Note2. I had an upgrade, so I grabbed the S4 and never switched back. Now I cant wait for the S5. I plan to
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I am excited about the dust and water proof aspect of it.... I'd buy it just for that reason.
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I won't upgrade, not much of a bump in specs and the size is too big for only a .1" increase.
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Yes, I would upgrade to the Galaxy S5.
The camera button on the lock screen, faster focus and better HDR are all important features to me. Water resistance could be very important.
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Faster focus is nice. The fingerprint worries me because, well what if it decides to not like your fingerprint anymore? We have a safe that decided it doesn't like my wife's, barely works for her.

I don't know if it's worth the upgrade for S4 folks, but S3 I would suggest. If they don't mind going a little larger.
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I have an S3 right now. I am planning on upgrading to the Note 4. If I was not planning on getting the Note 4, I might upgrade to the S5. But if I had an S4, I would not upgrade. I think the jump between the S3 to S5 makes it worth it. But not from the S4 to the S5. But I must say I am very disappointed in the S5 only having 2GB of RAM. This is one reason I am going with the next Note. My S3 uses about 90% of its 2GB's RAM. I need more.
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I agree with all of this, mac^
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nope don't plan to get it. My upgrade is in August so I may end up getting the Note 3 which I consider an upgrade to my S3. May get the wife the S5 tho well see.
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I have the S4 now and don't think the S5 is worth the upgrade. I do like the finger print scanner. (Had that on my Atrix 4G.) Really like the 16 MP camera, fast focus and real time HDR mode. Also, like the power saver option, turning the screen from color to gray scale to save battery.
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I have an S3 right now. I am planning on upgrading to the Note 4. If I was not planning on getting the Note 4, I might upgrade to the S5. But if I had an S4, I would not upgrade. I think the jump between the S3 to S5 makes it worth it. But not from the S4 to the S5. But I must say I am very disappointed in the S5 only having 2GB of RAM. This is one reason I am going with the next Note. My S3 uses about 90% of its 2GB's RAM. I need more.
I think you're right about upgrading from the S3 to the S5 but not from the S4. For the simple reason that the S3 only has 1 GB of RAM and the resulting lagginess is its one big failing. It certainly is a problem on my S3 and I am now seriously looking at the S5, now that it appears that the S3 outside of the USA won't get KitKat. (I don't know what S3 you own that has 2 GB of RAM? Are you sure about that?)

We do also need to remember that both S3 and S4 were made with ICS and Jelly Bean in mind. The S5 has KitKat on board which is supposed to be less memory hungry, so it may not even need more than 2 GB. Time will tell when the phone is out there and being put through its paces.
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I think you're right about upgrading from the S3 to the S5 but not from the S4. For the simple reason that the S3 only has 1 GB of RAM and the resulting lagginess is its one big failing. It certainly is a problem on my S3 and I am now seriously looking at the S5, now that it appears that the S3 outside of the USA won't get KitKat. (I don't know what S3 you own that has 2 GB of RAM? Are you sure about that?)

We do also need to remember that both S3 and S4 were made with ICS and Jelly Bean in mind. The S5 has KitKat on board which is supposed to be less memory hungry, so it may not even need more than 2 GB. Time will tell when the phone is out there and being put through its paces.
Sorry, I've just realised that some S3s in the USA had 2 GB of RAM. If you're using 90% of your RAM, that is certainly worrying. My 1GB S3 uses about the same amount of its RAM.
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Sorry, I've just realised that some S3s in the USA had 2 GB of RAM. If you're using 90% of your RAM, that is certainly worrying. My 1GB S3 uses about the same amount of its RAM.
Here in the USA we got the 2GBs of RAM. This is why we are able to get Kit Kat. This brings up another question, will 2GBs RAM be enough for the next two years of updates? Its not Google's fault that the S3, outside the USA, is not getting Kit Kat, it is Samsung's TouchWiz that is the problem. Will the S5 be future proof?
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S3 owner here and I'm gonna wait to see what HTC drop. The only thing that interests me is the camera upgrade BUT I will be ripping the software out and putting something AOSP based on so chances are the Super auto focus might not work and the after focus thing, again, won't work.

Also the size of the ROM is outrageous. Not particularly keen on the size of the screen either but for a flagship at the current moment it doesn't look like I'll be getting anything smaller unfortunately.
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From S3- Yes, but from S4- No.

That goes to show how good the S4 still is

The bloat seems even more perversely high than the S4.

Added: I bought a 32GB Note 2014, so Samsung has got enough money from me already
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If you're happy with the s3, the s5 is an obvious upgrade


If you've got the s4, not so much


Same picture as last year IMO
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Actually the North American S3... the dual core version has 1.6/1.7gb of ram, not 2 as many think
and 2gb of ram is way enough for a smartphone, as i think honnestly

Currently planning to pre-order a S5 with my current carrier but black or white?
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From an S4? No way. From an S3? Only if I couldn't get my hands on a Nexus 5.
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This may be a bit off topic, but where do you see the expandable memeory/SD micro card going in the future? Will it go away? I like the SD micro card slot for up loading videos from my job sites to YouTube. I can do it from my Galaxy Tab 3, but my wifi at home is slower than my 4G connection. Any thoughts or suggestions?
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I got the S4..I'm good with this. The S3 kids should change up though.
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If the S5 had significantly better battery life and better radio reception, I could consider it. That assumes a 32gb version is offered by VZW. If Samsung adheres to Googles requests for apps, apps2sd will go away.

The bloat on the S5 is apparently hideously high.
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I decided I wasn't impressed with what I saw with respect to the S5 & went with the Note 3. So far I'm very satisfied with my decision.

(upgraded from an S3)
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From an S3? maybe.

From an S4? no.

The S5 is noticablily bigger than the S3/S4, personally I think it's too big.

S3 - 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm
S4 - 136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm
S5 - 142 x 72.5 x 8.1 mm
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I would say that if you took any like of phones and asked the same question, you'd get about the same answer. Users with 2 year old phones should upgrade since things are much improved, users with last year's phone maybe not. I think that is just about always the case with modern flagship phones, unless there is some critical new feature on the newest version.

That said, I have the S4 and I am getting the S5. I love that they added water resistance, I am looking forward to the faster processor, faster and better camera (if it proves out to be so in real world tests), better screen, improved battery life, etc. There are many improvements that I will appreciate, and since I have a upgrade avail, I will definitely be using it for the S5. I think there are plenty of improvements here and to expect massive "innovation" every year is probably not realistic. My GS4 runs well, I like it. I can't wait for the GS5 now.
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From an S3? maybe.

From an S4? no.

The S5 is noticablily bigger than the S3/S4, personally I think it's too big.

S3 - 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm
S4 - 136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm
S5 - 142 x 72.5 x 8.1 mm
Yes, the S5 dimensions look almost identical to the Droid DNA which I had prior to the GS4. I did feel the DNA was just a little too tall, but I liked it, and it was perfectly usable. I do feel smartphones are becoming too big for one-handed use. If you can use 2 hands all the time, then Note-like phones are fine. But for me, I would appreciate a little restraint in the size going forward.
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Yes, the S5 dimensions look almost identical to the Droid DNA which I had prior to the GS4. I did feel the DNA was just a little too tall, but I liked it, and it was perfectly usable. I do feel smartphones are becoming too big for one-handed use. If you can use 2 hands all the time, then Note-like phones are fine. But for me, I would appreciate a little restraint in the size going forward.
Galaxy S3/S4 size is as big as I'm going, they already feel uncomfortable in my pocket so any larger just isn't going to work for me.

I can use the Galaxy S4 with one hand for basic functions but it can be a bit of the struggle sometimes.

I'm also annoyed they are keeping the buttons, with the addition of the fullscreen exclusive mode the buttons can just disappear now, we don't need them anymore.
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That said, I have the S4 and I am getting the S5. I love that they added water resistance, I am looking forward to the faster processor, faster and better camera (if it proves out to be so in real world tests), better screen, improved battery life, etc. There are many improvements that I will appreciate, and since I have a upgrade avail, I will definitely be using it for the S5. I think there are plenty of improvements here and to expect massive "innovation" every year is probably not realistic. My GS4 runs well, I like it. I can't wait for the GS5 now.
Like you I appreciate those improvements in S5. I like water-resistance, fast camera with good HDR mode, adaptive contrast screen, ultra power saving mode, etc. It all adds up for much better usability.

I am coming from Razr HD, so it's going to be big jump anyway. Last year when some S4 owners complained about lags, I felt like they don't know what the real lag is. S4 feels incredibly smoother than RHD and S5 should be even better. And the camera on RHD is probably one of the worsts. So I'm expecting better camera experience as well.
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Like you I appreciate those improvements in S5. I like water-resistance, fast camera with good HDR mode, adaptive contrast screen, ultra power saving mode, etc. It all adds up for much better usability.

I am coming from Razr HD, so it's going to be big jump anyway. Last year when some S4 owners complained about lags, I felt like they don't know what the real lag is. S4 feels incredibly smoother than RHD and S5 should be even better. And the camera on RHD is probably one of the worsts. So I'm expecting better camera experience as well.

I am sure you'll love the GS5 then. Good luck ! I got my GS4 around July or so, so I think some of the "lag" was removed by firmware updates (if there was any to start with). My GS4 runs beautifully. I never see any lag and I am quite happy with it.

My wife has the Original Droid Razr MAxx and THAT lags .. :-)
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currently using a s4 and i dont think the new phone is good enough to warrant an upgrade and i normally change my phone every year. I was very disappointed with the s5. It needed more ram 2gb just does not cut it now days. The only upgrade that is worth it would be the waterproof but im very careful with my phones so i dont see this being worth it for me. In all probability knowing how bad samung has got in the last sometime i wont get the s5 which they announced will probably get some other version with exynosys processor.
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currently using a s4 ... I was very disappointed with the s5. It needed more ram 2gb just does not cut it now days. ...
I want to understand this because I see a few of these posts and I just don't get it. My GS4 is smooth as butter, and 2GB is perfect for me. What is happening on your phone that needs more than 2GB or RAM? It must be some apps or games I don't use maybe ...
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One thing though that is cool IMO on the S5 is the 1989 Gameboy mode. That is what I call it anyway. Monochrome is so retro

A great idea and surprised nobody tried this already for saving power when you need to.
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I'm curious about the rumors about a "prime" version. If such an animal exists, I'd be well served waiting a little longer in hopes of a bigger battery, more RAM and/or slightly larger screen. I'm going to collect the feedback from initial S5 users on its speed, bloatware, screen size, battery life, etc. then I'll decide whether to jump in or hold off for the next big thing.
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Just going through the specs and realized something, the Galaxy S5's camera has no optical image stabilization.

I know it can focus really fast but why miss out something which is proving to be very beneficial to devices like the HTC One, Galaxy Note 3, LG G2 and Nexus 5.
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I currently have the s3 and still to this day in love with it (after about two years)! But it's starting to get old and laggy with time, so I definitely plan to switch to the s5!

Does anyone know what size sim it takes? micro or nano sim?
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Still on my pre-ordered S3, running a lean stock rom. It's faster today than when I bought it. I feel Samsung has been going downhill ever since the S3. I wish they would focus on speed and battery instead of more sensors and more bloated gimmicks. And build quality has decreased every year since the S3/Note 2. Each subsequent phone has felt cheaper and more flimsy than the last.

I'll wait to hold/use an S5 to decide, but I'm definitely not where I was when the S3 came out. I was selling that phone to whoever would listen, long before it was actually released in my carrier.
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Yep S2>S5 what sold it to me was the removable bat and sdcard,i like the fingerprint also ,contract runs out 1st march so seems the right thing to do.
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Just going through the specs and realized something, the Galaxy S5's camera has no optical image stabilization.

I know it can focus really fast but why miss out something which is proving to be very beneficial to devices like the HTC One, Galaxy Note 3, LG G2 and Nexus 5.
I read Note 3 only has digital image stabilization (bumping up ISO), not optical. Didn't know One has that (seems it has). But the general consensus seems S4 camera is better than One's camera despite not having OIS.

OIS is most useful in long telephoto zoom where it's hard to avoid shake blur. But in phone camera with fixed focal lens at wide angle, there is not so much benefit especially if focus/shutter speed is fast.
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I read Note 3 only has digital image stabilization (bumping up ISO), not optical. Didn't know One has that (seems it has). But the general consensus seems S4 camera is better than One's camera despite not having OIS.

OIS is most useful in long telephoto zoom where it's hard to avoid shake blur. But in phone camera with fixed focal lens at wide angle, there is not so much benefit especially if focus/shutter speed is fast.
That's weird, I've read reviews which said it has OIS, but yes it appears to lack this feature also, silly Samsung.

Anyway, the Galaxy S4 camera is better if you have good lighting otherwise the quality drops very quickly as the lighting level lowers. The HTC One captures less detail but is very good when it comes to low lighting and moving objects, so in that regard it's more consistent.

Also one of the main things that ruin photos from smartphones is camera shaking, having optical image stabilization will help you take clearer photos, it also helps you capture better shots with lower light levels.

It's also great to have when recording video, no more shaky cam and a clearer image.

The benefits are not just for zoomed video recording.
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Faster focus is nice. The fingerprint worries me because, well what if it decides to not like your fingerprint anymore? We have a safe that decided it doesn't like my wife's, barely works for her.

I don't know if it's worth the upgrade for S4 folks, but S3 I would suggest. If they don't mind going a little larger.

Maybe the S5 has an option to enter a Pin/Password if the finger print scan fails? I know Swipe to Unlock and Face Unlock required a Pin as a backup.
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I want to understand this because I see a few of these posts and I just don't get it. My GS4 is smooth as butter, and 2GB is perfect for me. What is happening on your phone that needs more than 2GB or RAM? It must be some apps or games I don't use maybe ...
Im rooted and currently have about 300mb free in my ram my point is in future the way the apps and games are getting more ram will always be better and coudnt hurt, they gave 3gb in the note3 and this is a later phone so i dont see why this one does not have more.
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Im rooted and currently have about 300mb free in my ram my point is in future the way the apps and games are getting more ram will always be better and coudnt hurt, they gave 3gb in the note3 and this is a later phone so i dont see why this one does not have more.
I agree that 3GB of Ram couldn't hurt. I was just wondering if your 2GB GS4 was running slow or lagging or something because mine has no issues at all. I don't see any need for more RAM yet, so it wouldn't be a current worry or concern of mine.

Now internal storage space? That's another story ... :-)
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Anyway, the Galaxy S4 camera is better if you have good lighting otherwise the quality drops very quickly as the lighting level lowers. The HTC One captures less detail but is very good when it comes to low lighting and moving objects, so in that regard it's more consistent.
Theoretically One camera should do better than GS4 in low light with lower pixel count. But I haven't seen any real test results that clearly supports this. In fact S4 did better even in moderate light indoors according to many reviews. Only in very low light One camera does slightly better or still very close to S4 images. This is probably due to other factors like lens quality, image processing engine.

Also having OIS is nice, but lack of it doesn't bother me much in phone cameras with no optical zoom. Phone camera lens is optically fixed at wide angle where effect of shake is minimal. Fast shot also helps avoiding blur.
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Im rooted and currently have about 300mb free in my ram my point is in future the way the apps and games are getting more ram will always be better and coudnt hurt, they gave 3gb in the note3 and this is a later phone so i dont see why this one does not have more.
I agree 3Gb would be nicer in S5. But I think Note 3 needs 3Gb more than GS series phone in order to support its S-pen features. GS phones don't have S-pen and it probably does fine with 2Gb. Also KitKat is better optimized for efficient memory usage which helps. I have been living with even 1Gb phones so far.
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Theoretically One camera should do better than GS4 in low light with lower pixel count. But I haven't seen any real test results that clearly supports this. In fact S4 did better even in moderate light indoors according to many reviews. Only in very low light One camera does slightly better or still very close to S4 images. This is probably due to other factors like lens quality, image processing engine.

Also having OIS is nice, but lack of it doesn't bother me much in phone cameras with no optical zoom. Phone camera lens is optically fixed at wide angle where effect of shake is minimal. Fast shot also helps avoiding blur.
I've taken allot of blurry images with my Galaxy S4 at party's to know it doesn't cope that well, optical image stabilization is a very desirable feature to have on a camera phone.

I usually use the burst modes as usually one them is good, pain in the butt to sort through them the day after.
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I've taken allot of blurry images with my Galaxy S4 at party's to know it doesn't cope that well, optical image stabilization is a very desirable feature to have on a camera phone.

I usually use the burst modes as usually one them is good, pain in the butt to sort through them the day after.
Blurry shots at party is more likely due to objects, people moving rather than shakes on camera. Having OIS doesn't matter much here as it can't do anything on the moving objects.

Anyway let's stop here on camera issue. GS5 camera seems more than decent to me and if it doesn't meet my expectation I report back here.
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Blurry shots at party is more likely due to objects, people moving rather than shakes on camera. Having OIS doesn't matter much here as it can't do anything on the moving objects.

Anyway let's stop here on camera issue. GS5 camera seems more than decent to me and if it doesn't meet my expectation I report back here.
Reviewers will put it through it's paces long before most users get a hold of them.

Looking forward to reviews, in some of the early hands on from the event you can hear the disappointed from people testing it so I don't expect reviews to be very kind.
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Reviewers will put it through it's paces long before most users get a hold of them.

Looking forward to reviews, in some of the early hands on from the event you can hear the disappointed from people testing it so I don't expect reviews to be very kind.
Well, sample photos here look very nice to me for pre-production unit. Will see with production unit in my hand but I'm not worried on camera in S5.

Putting the Galaxy S5's camera to the test - Shooting with the Samsung Galaxy S5's 16-megapixel camera (pictures) - CNET Reviews

MWC 2014: Samsung Galaxy S5, Gear 2, Gear 2 Neo, Fit hands-on - GSMArena.com
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