Android 2.x on Galaxy - Page 3

kam187 · January 10th, 2010, 04:08 PM

We've tried to contact him many times. He never responds to anyone.

He could quite easily decide tommorow he can't be bothered again. So its not going to halt our effort.

steev182 · January 11th, 2010, 04:35 AM

And there we were hoping he could be Samsung's Cyanogen... I ended up drifting off to sleep watching the chatter on #i7500 and they seem to be putting in a load of effort for it too. Well done Kam187 and others! Watching the irc channel, I felt like the only real input I could give is Comic relief though, but I'll be more than happy to help with the testing effort and donate when I can.

Xenon · January 11th, 2010, 11:59 AM

Does irc.freenode.net have a way to be used from the browser?
I really don't want to install mIRC again after all these years.

Terry · January 11th, 2010, 12:36 PM

Yes... Freenode Java applet IRC portal

informale · January 11th, 2010, 12:38 PM

Or you could use Opera browser (please, no browser wars here

), it has a very simple IRC client built-in.

kam187 · January 11th, 2010, 12:39 PM

You can click 'live chat' in the forum bar above.

Once you're in you can join the channel by typing

/j #i7500

photon00 · January 12th, 2010, 10:40 AM

Andronix, how are you finding your version of Eclair on the galaxy. What is the battery life like? Are you seeing any shutdowns? Is it much faster than cupcake? Having problems downloading any apps from the market? Questions, questions questions!

Andronix · January 12th, 2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photon00

Andronix, how are you finding your version of Eclair on the galaxy. What is the battery life like? Are you seeing any shutdowns? Is it much faster than cupcake? Having problems downloading any apps from the market? Questions, questions questions!

It's 2.0 AOSP. The battery life is similar to IK4, but the presentation on remaining battery is very different. Battery starts falling much faster, but the fall is linear, not like on 1.5 where you're long on 50+ and then suddenly you find your phone turned off.

The fastest you get is galaxo1.1 because framebuffer works, there are few tweaks in the kernel, all drivers working well. But the code of the browser is latest meaning some pages, google reader per example, are rendered accurately, while on 1.5 browser are not rendered well. Also, new Market app is nice... try it.

Jazzerather · January 12th, 2010, 05:31 PM

[quote=spottyelephant;233977]Pretty much the only reason I want 2.0 is for multitouch support...

No no no and no! Multitouch is the last thing I would upgrade the phone for. MT option is mostly useless, it does a trick or two and that's it. I can't imagine how MT does improve functionality in general (because it doesn't) and I can imagine dosen things new Android 2.x can really improve. Anyhow it depends of Samsung (drivers & hardware - Galaxys HW limitations might be a problem I believe) and apps to support multitouch, not the Android 2.x to do it.

(Pozdrav svim HR Galaxyovcima)

sado1 · January 12th, 2010, 06:01 PM

Personally I'd even say I can't wait to have multitouch but that's not top priority for me. It's kinda useful sometimes - web browsing is much more comfortable with MT, at least for me. But there are some things like Bluetooth that I'd like to see more than MT and let's hope we can reach it.

Xenon · January 12th, 2010, 06:13 PM

Don't forget that multitouch would probably help with the
keyboard responsiveness. I never thought of myself as a
particularly quick typist, but I often have difficulties with
the keypresses not registering because I (apparently) type too
fast.

(pozdrav i tebi)

shalafi · January 12th, 2010, 06:19 PM

MT is pretty important for gaming - especially on devices without a physical keyboard - all controls have to be on the screen. imagine playing a game on your computer when you only can move the mouse OR click a button OR press a single key .. but none of these at once. sucks, eh?

informale · January 12th, 2010, 06:20 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but multiple consecutive touches (no matter how fast) have nothing to do with multi-touch. Multi-touch is a method of interpreting two (or more?) simultaneous touches.

Xenon · January 12th, 2010, 06:44 PM

If you type quickly then I guess they aren't really consecutive. You
press with one finger and then you press with another one in a different
place while your first finger is still being lifted from the screen. You
often have both fingers on the screen at the same time. Because
they didn't "land" at the same moment a multitouch keyboard easily
discerns the order of the presses and it works. Without multitouch,
you can't type another letter until you completely lifted your finger
from the first one. Try it on the Galaxy. Keep one letter pressed and
press another. It doesn't register.

Rastaman-FB · January 12th, 2010, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon

If you type quickly then I guess they aren't really consecutive. You
press with one finger and then you press with another one in a different
place while your first finger is still being lifted from the screen. You
often have both fingers on the screen at the same time. Because
they didn't "land" at the same moment a multitouch keyboard easily
discerns the order of the presses and it works. Without multitouch,
you can't type another letter until you completely lifted your finger
from the first one. Try it on the Galaxy. Keep one letter pressed and
press another. It doesn't register.

indeed this happens quite alot due to my lazy thumbs but im quick

informale · January 12th, 2010, 06:54 PM

Of course it does not - Galaxy has no multi-touch.

But how do you suggest the phone should interpret touches, when you push two letters at once? Typing needs sequential touches. Or you'll end up with something like that:

Ytping eneds esquential otuches.

I personally type with one thumb in portrait mode using HTC full qwerty keyboard with auto-complete.

Rastaman-FB · January 12th, 2010, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by informale

Of course it does not - Galaxy has no multi-touch.

But how do you suggest the phone should interpret touches, when you push two letters at once? Typing needs sequential touches. Or you'll end up with something like that:

Ytping eneds esquential otuches.

I personally type with one thumb in portrait mode using HTC full qwerty keyboard with auto-complete.

i type in landscape mostly and devices like iphone write with a 1st to press recognition so it memorises order of key press
i know the galaxy can do it as if its lagging and you type really fast you can wait a second and watch the galaxy print the word you typed a seconds before.
if you had multitouch it would just remove deadspots and typos a bit

informale · January 12th, 2010, 07:09 PM

It would need a keyboard programmed to recognize typos caused by simultaneous touches and touches made in wrong order.

NoUse4aNick · January 12th, 2010, 07:55 PM

Mustymod 1.02a released!

Hark · January 12th, 2010, 07:59 PM

I haven't seen this posted anywhere on the forums, but it says on the Samsung Twitter page that 2.0 is coming soon. Did everyone miss this? I mean why work on 2.0 if they are about to release it?

SamsungFirmware (SamsungFirmware) on Twitter

Last firmware for the samsung galaxy is online I7500XXIK5
11:26 AM Jan 4th from web

@jeebjp @DrHyperKALICH Samsung is busy with android 2.0 updates... First phone with 2.0 is for the Galaxy later Q1 for the Galaxy Lite.
11:08 AM Jan 4th from web in reply to jeebjp

Great news for the Samsung I7500.... Android 2.0 is almost finish.
10:11 AM Jan 4th from web

Jan 4th, was a good day.

informale · January 12th, 2010, 08:06 PM

Lol, I've just read this too )

SamsungFirmware (SamsungFirmware) on Twitter is not an official Samsung source. I'ts a twitter account of www.Samsung-Firmware.tk, which is now down for some reason.
_

Xenon · January 12th, 2010, 08:17 PM

Great news and thanks for the twitter link. Even if it is an unofficial twitter
they seem to know awfully lot about Samsung fimwares, which is a good thing

Xenon · January 12th, 2010, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoUse4aNick

Mustymod 1.02a released!

That's amazing. Lots of progress there.

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon

That's amazing. Lots of progress there.

While others are talking, he's doing an amazing job

Odin time

Jazzerather · January 13th, 2010, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by informale

It would need a keyboard programmed to recognize typos caused by simultaneous touches and touches made in wrong order.

Pay attention to the HW limitations of Galaxys screen. We are speaking software here, but I think I was reading an article or two about HW limitations (for Galaxy, not in general) and that's the main reason that some devices aren't capable of having MT. Their HW / screen, from the beginning, is not designed to work in that way, so no SW can help.

Rastaman-FB · January 13th, 2010, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andronix

While others are talking, he's doing an amazing job

Odin time

bold statement there,
hes doing an amazing job indeed but lets not make assumptions on what other people are doing.

btw androinix can you look at this

samsung galaxy apps missing

can you see those apps on the mustymod?
these people have one thing in common, they move from mustymod and back to official and the market has been borked for their profile
they know this as if they sign into qa different account then it works fine

tiran · January 13th, 2010, 05:12 AM

did u read this about MT?

Samsung Galaxy recognize more as one finger | receptorBlog

I think its about an adjustment to the driver to get MT wokring on Galaxy. But im no expert on this so maybe u guys can take somethink usefull out of this.

There are some more articles about MT on the Website above.

regards
Tiran

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 05:59 AM

@rasta,
gflash and Remote VNC Lite are visible on the market.

btw. i was a bit sarcastic because I don't like how you guys treat mustymod. it's not like we're something special that deserve mustymod attention, he's a hardcore dev, and they're special.

respect to musty

informale · January 13th, 2010, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andronix

@rasta,
gflash and Remote VNC Lite are visible on the market.

btw. i was a bit sarcastic because I don't like how you guys treat mustymod. it's not like we're something special that deserve mustymod attention, he's a hardcore dev, and they're special.

respect to musty

These are not the ones that were reported to be missing - you haven't read the thread properly. Shall we move to the corresponding topic and continue that particular discussion there...

screaminbug · January 13th, 2010, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiran

I think its about an adjustment to the driver to get MT wokring on Galaxy.

Yes. But the driver itself (firmware) isn't open source.

AFAIK this (or similar) melfas device isn't fully supported even in new (desktop) Linux kernel (2.6.32, I believe)

We could either:
1. ask Melfas for support (ha)
2. or reverse engineer it.

1 will probably never happen unless they decide to support MT themselves and 2 is probably illegal.

from [v4] Input: add touchscreen driver for MELFAS MCS-5000 controller - Patchwork

Code:

switch (buffer[READ_INPUT_INFO]) {
	case INPUT_TYPE_NONTOUCH:
		input_report_key(data->input_dev, BTN_TOUCH, 0);
		input_sync(data->input_dev);
		break;

	case INPUT_TYPE_SINGLE:
		x = (buffer[READ_X_POS_UPPER] << 8) | buffer[READ_X_POS_LOWER];
		y = (buffer[READ_Y_POS_UPPER] << 8) | buffer[READ_Y_POS_LOWER];

		input_report_key(data->input_dev, BTN_TOUCH, 1);
		input_report_abs(data->input_dev, ABS_X, x);
		input_report_abs(data->input_dev, ABS_Y, y);
		input_sync(data->input_dev);
		break;

	case INPUT_TYPE_DUAL:
		/* TODO */
		break;

	case INPUT_TYPE_PALM:
		/* TODO */
		break;

	case INPUT_TYPE_PROXIMITY:
		/* TODO */
		break;

	default:
		dev_err(&client->dev, "Unknown ts input type %d\n",
				buffer[READ_INPUT_INFO]);
		break;
	}

If Galaxy had, say, Synaptics touch screen (like Hero does), MT wouldn't be a problem at all, as its driver already has support for it.

Now, the applicative support is a different question. Don't know if 2.0 or 2.1 has it in its app framework (Google announced it, IIRC).

Jazzerather · January 13th, 2010, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiran

did u read this about MT?

Samsung Galaxy recognize more as one finger | receptorBlog

...
Tiran

I read that but I read another article also (I cannot find it right now) where MT is tested on Galaxy by a simple app (specially designed for that test) and there are problems in detecting correct coordinates of 2nd finger. Something like, it will read X correctly, but the Y coordinate can be flipped around (+ or -) depending where the 1st finger is. Everything is pictured and there's even a video maybe I cannot remember, showing how the thing work (or how doesn't). As stated there, it's a HW limitation and there is no way that SW can fix it. After reading that the MT story for Galaxy is over for me and if u manage to find the article u will find the same.

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 06:44 AM

1.02a up and running.

headphones working
proximity sensor working (although i got used to move phone away a bit

accelerometer working

hip hip hoorah for mustymod

btw. no need to wipe, just Odin 1.02a over previous installation of mustymod.

informale · January 13th, 2010, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzerather

but the Y coordinate can be flipped around (+ or -) depending where the 1st finger is.

Well if there is a constant pattern and Y does not change completely random, then the second finger may be recognised properly by just filtering it with adjustment algorithm which would calculate the real coordinate according to the pattern. Does that make sense to anyone?

Rastaman-FB · January 13th, 2010, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andronix

@rasta,
gflash and Remote VNC Lite are visible on the market.

btw. i was a bit sarcastic because I don't like how you guys treat mustymod. it's not like we're something special that deserve mustymod attention, he's a hardcore dev, and they're special.

respect to musty

im not treating him anydifferently, ive never disrespected his work
im just saying i dont know enough about what hes done or what hes doing to just blindly send his money

its also not your job to defend him because you feel you value his cause more that others.
dont forget we all have the same phone and want the same things.

drakaz needed a galaxy, the community found a way to give that to him. i personally dont want to rely on just one dev when there can be more.
i dont see what your issue with that is, it was his own comment that made people react they way they did, since then hes come back and said it was just cos hes angry
maybe he should realise theres alot of people watching with the hope he pulls it off and when a dev suddenly gets vexed it makes people worried and therefore dont want to start donating

thats all it is

cayman · January 13th, 2010, 07:44 AM

Hi guys!!!
I have few questions. I am not that good at changing firmware, I was sweating to put galaxo mod on my phone, so I was wandering if some of U guys can try few apps on 2.0 rom.
First, sweeter home 2 works only on 1.6 and 2.0 so...

Second, xScope, a multitouch pinch zoom browser is a multitouch browser, give it a try!!!

cayman · January 13th, 2010, 07:51 AM

As for me, good thing about 2.0 is that you can transfer files through BT, use Gmaps navigation and use Google Goggles.
So until BT, Camera and GPS doesn't work there is no logical purpose for me to switch to 2.0.
Waiting for mustymod 1.03!!! ;-)

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 08:13 AM

Rastaman-FB said:
> im not treating him anydifferently, ive never disrespected his work
> im just saying i dont know enough about what hes done or what hes doing to
> just blindly send his money

who asked you to send him money? you've already said your opinion on sending him money, no need to repeat yourself

> its also not your job to defend him because you feel you value his cause more
>that others. dont forget we all have the same phone and want the same things.

Since when your job is to tell me what is not my job?

> drakaz needed a galaxy, the community found a way to give that to him. i
> personally dont want to rely on just one dev when there can be more.
> i dont see what your issue with that is,

At the moment, you ARE relaying on a single dev (that btw. sold his Galaxy when he hit the wall about future upgrades). And what I asked is to rely on more devs by helping another dev AS WELL.

informale · January 13th, 2010, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Since when your job is to tell me what is not my job?

And what I asked is to rely on more devs by helping another dev AS WELL.

Keep it down guys, it's all clear long ago, stop fighting.

Some people are sceptical and suspicious, some are not. It's everyone's individual business.

If mustymod finds a way to receive donations - I'm sure there will be people who will happily donate. And may be in time when suspicion level comes down, some more people would donate as well.

photon00 · January 13th, 2010, 08:27 AM

Thanks for the info Andronix. Think I may give this a try.

I'm with you Andronix. I think that mustymod is getting a harder time than is necessary. We are not forced to use his work.

Rastaman-FB · January 13th, 2010, 09:01 AM

hes not getting a hard time though

but whatever lets just drop it

steev182 · January 13th, 2010, 09:08 AM

In anything where the public sees you, if you moan about money publicly, they will see it as offensive and reply back to it. I feel that if he was that annoyed and didn't have motivation any longer, he should've released the source and let the community do it, who doesn't really care about the money. He's working with an open source project and although I am glad he is working on it again, I won't feel too much trust for another few weeks or so until I part with my hard earned, as I also understand it is a lot of work.

He may not want to collaborate, which in my opinion puts him up for a little abuse, but it'd be nice if he lets the other project have a fork of his work. Although Samsung is the real bad guy here!

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cayman

Hi guys!!!
I have few questions. I am not that good at changing firmware, I was sweating to put galaxo mod on my phone, so I was wandering if some of U guys can try few apps on 2.0 rom.
First, sweeter home 2 works only on 1.6 and 2.0 so...

Second, xScope, a multitouch pinch zoom browser is a multitouch browser, give it a try!!!

Sweeter home2 working so far, didn't test much. Xscope working well, but no MT.

screaminbug · January 13th, 2010, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by informale

Well if there is a constant pattern and Y does not change completely random, then the second finger may be recognised properly by just filtering it with adjustment algorithm which would calculate the real coordinate according to the pattern. Does that make sense to anyone?

Of course it does. If kernel receives any kind of multi touch event, then we're good as far as hardware is concerned (and that small adjustment can't be all that expensive in terms of cpu time so it shouldn't degrade performance noticeably).

What I would really like, though, is to actually see this article.

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 09:49 AM

If you want Superuser whitelist app on mustymod rom, read this post.

xda-developers - View Single Post - AOSP 2.0.1 for HTC Hero

or just get the zip file, unzip it and do the following:

adb push su /system/xbin/su
adb shell chmod 4755 /system/xbin/su
adb push Superuser.apk /system/app/
adb shell sync

Also, if you want all busybox love from the shell, just do the following:

#su
#cd /system/xbin/
#./busybox --install .

Don't forget the dot at the end.

Sauriann · January 13th, 2010, 12:21 PM

at the end i get a message :"E:Cant find MISC:". What does it means?

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 01:42 PM

ignore the message.

Xenon · January 13th, 2010, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screaminbug

Yes. But the driver itself (firmware) isn't open source.

AFAIK this (or similar) melfas device isn't fully supported even in new (desktop) Linux kernel (2.6.32, I believe)

We could either:
1. ask Melfas for support (ha)
2. or reverse engineer it.

1 will probably never happen unless they decide to support MT themselves and 2 is probably illegal.

So, in the above code excerpt, what happens if you put a printf()
below case INPUT_TYPE_DUAL?

Yathushan · January 13th, 2010, 02:16 PM

Just wondering whether facebook integration is supported into the address book or not?

screaminbug · January 13th, 2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon

So, in the above code excerpt, what happens if you put a printf()
below case INPUT_TYPE_DUAL?

I have no idea. I've posted an excerpt from a patch for 2.6.32 kernel. Our cupcakes are running on 2.6.27. My point was just that there's no multi touch support even in more recent Linux kernel (like 2.6.32) which could consequently mean that Melfas doesn't publish specs for their device(s) in order to allow someone to write a proper driver for Linux. Or it could just mean that no one bothered to implement it completely yet. One thing is sure, this device isn't as popular and widely used as the ones from, say, Synaptics (which have good support under Linux).

So why didn't Samsung just use Synaptics? I've been reading a bit about Melfas and it turns out that they have been Samsung's partner for a long time. Every single Samsung touchscreen phone has a Melfas device in it (either resistive or capacitive).

Now. This MCS-5000 may or may not be the exact same device as the one we have on our Galaxies. No one knows that for sure (apart from Samsung -- maybe

). But it is a similar device and it certainly is from the same manufacturer.

By the way, if someone disassembled their phone and read a small print on a touchscreen controller chip, please do tell.

EDIT: BTW, Xenon, how come only you have "Zagreb" where everyone else has (Junior/Senior) Member or Moderator written? Is Zagreb some kind of user role here?

Andronix · January 13th, 2010, 03:43 PM

google maps labs is awesome, wonder if it will ever get ported to iphone ..