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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:50 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I've noticed the same thing with my phone. Charging level drops off 100% down to 80% practically as fast as I can walk from house to the car. I noticed it this morning because the inidicator on my handsfree in the car showed my level wasnt full and I thought that was strange since it was charging all night.

More importantly, its not just a level indicator problem, this thing just doesn't last. I hardly made any calls, sent some text messages and have activesync setup on it. 8 Hours laters, the thing says its on 15% of life. And, it died an hour later. 9 Hours for a phone is ridiculous. I've used a bunch of crappy phones and I'm beginning to miss my old Blackjack already. Hell, even in 3g mode, it would last almost two days with similar usage.

My girlfriend also got a hero so I've had a chance to play with that and the battery life on that is better but it aint much to crow about either.

We might end up returning them both. I really like the android setup but I need a phone that can last a whole day not just 9 hours.

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Mine dropped to 80 like you guys said but life is seeming about right for a phone rated to 5.5 hours of talk time. I pulled mine off the charger at exactly 5 and it is now rolling over to 9 and with about 3-3.5 hours of talking on the bluetooth while using the wifi heavily for internet I still haven't killed it. It is giving me a charge warning but has been at 5% for a while now. I've been tasking it enough to make it nice and warm too.

Waiting for it to die watching music videos now.

Those of you not seeing a days worth of use from a single charge, what all do you have running on the phone? Email, IM?

Even my Q with a 300MHz processor and a fresh 1640mAh extended battery couldn't take this kind of abuse and still be on. The talk time alone would have damn near killed that phone. A quick way to slaughter your battery is frequent email checks. Blackberrys have push email that other phones don't so they last MUCH longer with email.
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Those of you not seeing a days worth of use from a single charge, what all do you have running on the phone? Email, IM?
To be perfectly honest, the battery life on the Hero was much better than this even if you had one that wasnt sleeping. Its really unacceptable for any type of phone.

There is only 60mAh difference between this and the HTC Hero. Larger processor, but more efficent screen. The Hero also has a lot more widgets running in Sense. I swear it was supposed to ship with 1350mAh, but its got 1440mAh. It doesnt make any sense why the Moment has such bad battery life.
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Mine dropped to 80 like you guys said but life is seeming about right for a phone rated to 5.5 hours of talk time. I pulled mine off the charger at exactly 5 and it is now rolling over to 9 and with about 3-3.5 hours of talking on the bluetooth while using the wifi heavily for internet I still haven't killed it. It is giving me a charge warning but has been at 5% for a while now. I've been tasking it enough to make it nice and warm too.

Waiting for it to die watching music videos now.

Those of you not seeing a days worth of use from a single charge, what all do you have running on the phone? Email, IM?

Even my Q with a 300MHz processor and a fresh 1640mAh extended battery couldn't take this kind of abuse and still be on. The talk time alone would have damn near killed that phone. A quick way to slaughter your battery is frequent email checks. Blackberrys have push email that other phones don't so they last MUCH longer with email.
if my phone lasted that long with that kind of usage, i wouldnt be concerned at all. i'm trying to figgure out what is running invisibly that is draining the battery prematurely.

list of installed 3rd party apps:

-weather channel update has been uninstalled and removed widget.
-google maps(list it because it locates me in Tulsa, wherever that is...)
-google skymap
-handcent sms
-instant lyrics(app that pulls lyrics from internet when playing mp3)
-layar
-locale (doesnt work because not able to correctly locate my current position)
-ringdroid
-robodefense
-shazam
-taskiller
-tts translator w/ tts service extended
-ultra notes
-video player
-yellowbook
-no IM client installed and gmail is set to retrieve every hour

any ideas?
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I have gotten through two full days of good usage, though my battery indicator wasn't happy today, it doesn't to actually affect the phone's usage time for me.
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been stuck at 60% CHARGING for the past hour or so... ran the battery dead (3% and shut itself off) at work... plugged it in at 10:15pm PST... will report back when it is at 100% (if I'm still awake, lol)

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was at 70% for a while, but then I rebooted the phone to get the tethering working... when it came back on, it was at 90%... been there for 30 minutes or so... will reboot and see if that changes anything...

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Mine was actually up to 100% this morning, and that lasted for almost half an hour. It's been off the charger (and barely used) for an hour and a half now and is down to 80%, so I guess nothing's really changed, but it was kind of nice to see 100% for once :-)
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Download "Battery Graph" from the app store. It gives you a visual of your battery usage and charging.
thnx, its a good way to show how proof of how it goes from 100 to 80 in no time.
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To update my little experiment from last night where I just ran the battery till the phone turned off and then turned it back on till it ran and turned off again then put it on the charger overnight....

This morning, I took the phone off the charger at 6:30am, it's now 8:30am and I ran the GPS today for 20 minutes to test something, then browsed the web for a quick 2-3 minutes.

Battery is at 90%
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Woke up this morning pulled phone off charger... BOOM 90% the second I pulled it off. Within 5 minutes I was at 80% after reading 2 emails.... This sucks
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I've also noticed the battery only shows in increments of 10. When it's showing 80% is it actually 89%? Hard to tell with the increments of 10. Has anyone found a patch or program that shows actual battery percentage instead of calculated? I wonder if it will get better after it's conditioned like the Palm Pre. It took a week before the battery was good and didn't die after 6 hours.
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I've also noticed the battery only shows in increments of 10. When it's showing 80% is it actually 89%? Hard to tell with the increments of 10. Has anyone found a patch or program that shows actual battery percentage instead of calculated? I wonder if it will get better after it's conditioned like the Palm Pre. It took a week before the battery was good and didn't die after 6 hours.
See that's what I am wondering and was thinking the same thing. I think the battery guage is just junk for the most part, but the battery is fine. As I noted earlier, the battery on my phone said 5% for over an hour and the WHOLE TIME I was using the web AND had my GPS radio on. Then when it powered off, I turned it back on and resumed the same activity for another 20 minutes before finally the phone just would not stay powered on.

Today, so far as I noted earlier, it's been 2 hours of basic use or web, email and GPS thrown in for 20 minutes and I'm still at 90% (which might be 90% or 95% etc)
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Hopefully after a little time we'll notice a gain in battery life. I'm going to keep looking for a better battery widget with actual percent left. Thanks for the reply.
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9:10 am. Been off charger for about 2.5 hours now. In addition to the usage above, I had a 10 minute phone conversation

battery still at 90% (I am using a battery widget to display on the home screen)
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How is it that the reviews never mention horrible battery life? I don't remember a single Hero or Moment review trashing the phone for the bad battery, though obviously both sets have big issues.

Do reviews expect bad things about the battery since they are constantly messing with the phone?

Maybe there is something to the battery being conditioned theory. Seems this issue has plagued the Hero (myself included) and now is present on the Moment.

Seems wierd reviewers would not pick up on this--maybe the PR folks at the respective companies send units to the reviewers that have a batter that has already gone the charge cycles.
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Got mine to go to 100% by setting it to Airplane Mode before I went to bed last night. This shut down the Cell Voice and Data radios.

I've tried a few apps from Android Market. One I truly like is Advanced Task Manager by Arron La. It has a one button click to kill all Tasks, and by doing this you'll find the persistent ones re-initiate.

Here is a run down of what I've got....

Waze
Car Locator
Where
DTG 2.0
US Yellow Pages Search
Craigslist Notification
FLixster Movies
Advanced Task Manager
Ultimate Stopwatch
Better Keyboard
Amazon.com
Droid Live Lite
Meridian Player
Astrid
Pinball
Power Manager Full
Shop Savy
Night Clock
AK Notepad
SplashID
Scan2PDF Lite

The reason I've listed these is because some are stay resident. For example Craigslist Notification. It just keeps coming back. Thus, I'm going to ask the developer if he/she can include the option to kill this task from the app when not needed, since it continually access the internet for listing updates in the background.

Same with NFL - the program that came preloaded. It can't be killed, and is always active.

In fact, I'm going to write the developers of each programs above and ask two things....

1. Is this optimized for the hardware of the Moment?
2. Please provide the option to kill this app as a menu item

So if your downloading apps like crazy be wary that some may stay active in the background consuming hardware resources (aka battery power) even though you are not in it.
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9:10 am. Been off charger for about 2.5 hours now. In addition to the usage above, I had a 10 minute phone conversation

battery still at 90% (I am using a battery widget to display on the home screen)
10am. Still at 90%. So 3.5 hours and still at 90% since I completely discharged the battery last night to the point it would not even start the phone, then recharged over night.
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After killing mine last night(almost, I ended up losing radio and just charged it) and I've been off about an hour with light usage and the battery says 90%.

I noticed the same thing satinkzo, it lasted a LONG time after hitting 5%. I'm sure that after a complete kill tonight it'll be just fine. The battery tender just needs to learn where the upper and lower limits of the battery are.
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After killing mine last night(almost, I ended up losing radio and just charged it) and I've been off about an hour with light usage and the battery says 90%.

I noticed the same thing satinkzo, it lasted a LONG time after hitting 5%. I'm sure that after a complete kill tonight it'll be just fine. The battery tender just needs to learn where the upper and lower limits of the battery are.

I hope you guys are right... I REALLY like this phone but it's gonna have to go back if it lasts only half a day. I'm gonna try and kill mine tonight as well


After 2 hours: about 8 emails read, 2 phone calls, 5 min of internet, one trip to app store with no download....70%
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After getting to 100% overnight, I somewhat gradually went down to 50% over the course of five hours. One minute later I was at 15%. Spare Parts isn't showing anything in particular (i.e. nothing using a lot of partial wake time, or GPS (after killing TWC)). The "good" news is that Monday I hit 15% a little earlier in the day, and was still at 5% when I went home...
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And now I'm down to 5%, much faster than Monday.

Of course, that may be because the location system seems to think I'm in Poland, while Sprint is telling it my time zone is some south atlantic island.

But five minutes on the charger and the battery is showing 60% :-)
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11:30am now, About 5 hours off the charger, In the last hour or so, I had another phone call and then surfed a data download intensive site for 20 minutes (lots of graphs and pictures). Also went to the market and got a couple apps.

Battery now down to 60%
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i finished charging the phone at 9pm had a 1hr conversation 1 hr. of web surfing and went to sleep at 11pm. this morning the battery was at 70 percent. thats down 10% from last night. a couple of calls today listen to music on the speaker while surfing for 30 mins and its down to 40% at 11:00 am today. weird thing is that i read some post that if you restart you might get a different reading. i just restarted and the phone is back up to 60%. im also not using the default sms app and switched to handcent to see if its that sms bug but i dont think theres a diff. why would i have to restart the phone to get a better reading of the battery?idk im going to try and recalibrate the battery today and see if that works. although its not great battery life its no diff than the hero so i wonder if its androids cupcake cdma fault since the hero had a known battery issue as well.
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Mine was actually up to 100% this morning, and that lasted for almost half an hour. It's been off the charger (and barely used) for an hour and a half now and is down to 80%, so I guess nothing's really changed, but it was kind of nice to see 100% for once :-)
That's exactly how mine was for me this morning. Almost 1/2 an hour on the dot, and I was using it in that time period, setting up NewsRob for my RSS feeds and showing off the phone a little to coworkers.

Yesterday I also ran the battery down, I played some games last night until the phone shut off. I then restarted it and it shut off immediately, waited about 10 mins, tried again and it shut off immediately again. So I plugged it in, turned it on, and charged up over night. The battery lasted me just fine the last two days (fully charged up over night each day) regardless of what the indicator was saying. We shall see how day 3 goes...
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After killing mine last night(almost, I ended up losing radio and just charged it) and I've been off about an hour with light usage and the battery says 90%.

I noticed the same thing satinkzo, it lasted a LONG time after hitting 5%. I'm sure that after a complete kill tonight it'll be just fine. The battery tender just needs to learn where the upper and lower limits of the battery are.

very interesting. as i have this problem on my windows 7 laptop. it was giving me replace battery now icon and the battery meter would drop rapidly. i prevented it from shutting down and the battery ran for 1hr 45 minutes on 3% percent. theres still no fix for my win7 machine so thats not good.i wonder if this is the similar problem going on with the phones.
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The sheer number of responses here already stating something along the lines of 'the battery drained quickly and then lasted forever at 15%' makes it pretty obvious this is a monitoring bug and not necessarily a battery problem.

These things are like little laptops in the palm of your hand - I'm truly greatful if I can get 9-10 hours of even standby for a device like this, my real laptop doesn't last a whole hour!

If this is a software issue, Samsung/Sprint have heard all about it already and will hopefully release a patch. Otherwise, this looks like something that will go down in history as an 'odd quirk' of this phone.
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the samsung instinct had this issue with the battery indicator as well in the beginning... it would jump from 100% to 80%, totally bypassing everything in between.

they fixed it during one of their updates. i'm assuming they're using the same technology and that they'll fix it as well. nonetheless, how's the total battery time (versus the displayed)?
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I ran into the same situation last night. My phone ran itself down from 60% to 15% in a matter of two hours. But once it reached 15% it took another 2 hours to get to 5% and another hour to completely shut down (All while running pretty data intensive apps like HI AIM or Pandora).

I think it's interesting that Satinkzo is getting what seems to be much more accurate readings after he completely discharged his phone. I let my phone die to the point of shutting down -- but I did not restart it and drain the battery a second time, to the point where the phone would not even turn on.

Perhaps I'll try that tonight and see what results I get.
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Samsung Moment Review and User Opinions - Full Review - Samsung - Cell Phones Reviews by Digital Trends 2009 11/04

Good comparison on batteries. The Moment has a plain messed up battery meter, but the life itself does not seem to be bad.
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I just got the Moment yesterday and kept it charging most of the evening while I was playing around with it. Today was my first full day using it and so far I've had a quickly dying battery. I love the phone and I realize the battery is a price to pay to have all the fun stuff the phone can do but it is slightly irritating having to be concerned you'll be without the phone if your battery dies. One thing I have tried is turning down the brightness of the screen and adjusting the screen timer. And potentially not running the widgets (didn't think about that until just now) But still love the phone!
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Update to my previous posts:

2 more phone calls, about 10 minutes on them, more web, couple voicemails, some text messages.

Battery 60% and it came off the charger around 6:30 or so this morning.
I am thinking the complete exhaustion of the battery last night has helped the phone guage the battery better. I'm gonna run it dead again tonight and see what happens.
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How is it that the reviews never mention horrible battery life? I don't remember a single Hero or Moment review trashing the phone for the bad battery, though obviously both sets have big issues.

Do reviews expect bad things about the battery since they are constantly messing with the phone?

Maybe there is something to the battery being conditioned theory. Seems this issue has plagued the Hero (myself included) and now is present on the Moment.

Seems wierd reviewers would not pick up on this--maybe the PR folks at the respective companies send units to the reviewers that have a batter that has already gone the charge cycles.
The official reviews that I looked at did mention the battery life but only in regards to talk time. It was the user reviews that mentioned how little battery life the phone actually had. like I said in another forum I love the phone but may have to learn how to deal with the quickly dying battery. Even if that means having to travel with my charger (or buying a car charger)
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You might want to check the battery quirk thread. It's active, myself and many others are keeping everyone updated on what we try and our results.
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I called Sprint to report the issue since the phone is so new and I had a feeling they weren't aware. Unless everyone calls and reports the problem, they won't think there is one. I am having the same issues everyone here describes and I did everything that Sprint recommended.

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i don't think there is a problem with the battery. its a software thats showing you your battery meter. if you started the phone at 50% and used it until it was down to 35% then charged it the software thinks that the size of your battery is only 75% of the real size until you drain it all the way down and then charge it. do that several times over the next few days instead of trying to keep it charged and it should being to display correctish battery info.

this is just an educated guess. since 5% keeps working for over an hour that means its prolly displaying the battery incorrectly because the battery has never been that drained before in the phone w/ the software monitoring it.

if i'm wrong please let me know.
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4 hours off the charger and I now show 60%. Let's see how long until I'm at 15%.
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i don't think there is a problem with the battery. its a software thats showing you your battery meter. if you started the phone at 50% and used it until it was down to 35% then charged it the software thinks that the size of your battery is only 75% of the real size until you drain it all the way down and then charge it. do that several times over the next few days instead of trying to keep it charged and it should being to display correctish battery info.

this is just an educated guess. since 5% keeps working for over an hour that means its prolly displaying the battery incorrectly because the battery has never been that drained before in the phone w/ the software monitoring it.

if i'm wrong please let me know.
Yes, I agree with you and that is what I plan on doing. I think the battery is fine and will last longer after a week or so of conditioning.

BTW....6 hours and still at 60%
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BTW....6 hours and still at 60%
Same here.
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I charged mine for a little under six consistent hours last night and it dropped rather quickly through the day. But it's sat at 30% for the past 2-3 hours. Maybe it decided to level out a little bit for the day.
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checking out the Battery Gauge app, during charge, i was only at 100% for about an hour in the middle of the night during the charge. that seemed odd.
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checking out the Battery Gauge app, during charge, i was only at 100% for about an hour in the middle of the night during the charge. that seemed odd.
How is that app......is it worth messing with, or does it drain your battery faster?
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Well I have dropped to 50% already, my widget must be reading in units of 10.
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summary update for today after just flat out killing my battery last night:

GPS: 25 minutes
Phone talk: about 20 minutes or so, not real sure
4 voicemails
10 texts
surfed web for about 45 minutes, some picture and graph intensive sites so decent download.
Sent a few emails, polling hotmail every hour, also have gmail running
Android Market, 2 downloads, about 20 minutes browsing around

Battery off charger around 6:30am, now 3:30pm, battery 60%.
I'm planning on running the sucker dead one more night then recharging again and compare tomorrow to today.
However for comparison, yesterday at this time, the phone was used much less and battery level was reported at 20% or 30%.
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summary update for today after just flat out killing my battery last night:

GPS: 25 minutes
Phone talk: about 20 minutes or so, not real sure
4 voicemails
10 texts
surfed web for about 45 minutes, some picture and graph intensive sites so decent download.
Sent a few emails, polling hotmail every hour, also have gmail running
Android Market, 2 downloads, about 20 minutes browsing around

Battery off charger around 6:30am, now 3:30pm, battery 60%.
Sounds encouraging
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is there an app that keeps track of the type of info that satinkzo has listed so we could get input from multiple sources without having to really think about it. i hate to think about stuff.
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a few posts up i described that my phones usage down to around 30 percent. this is the continuation.

i decided to kill the battery and this is what happened. (last full charge at 9pm day before : read my previous post) i used the phone down to 15% warning at 12:30pm from there i played 2 full albums on the loud speaker full volume.( mastodon and stevierayvaughan live @mocambo) after that i went on youtube wifi on and left the phone playing a full length movie 1:30 minutes, still not down to 5 percent. played with youtube for another 30 minutes dled some apps and then it hit 5% again put the phone full volume for 1 more hr and it finally died. so this is the phone being on and doing work from 12:30 to 3:45 all on 15% battery. this is exactly what my windows 7 laptop does. so i put in my vote for bad battery meter instead of bad battery. if anyone gets similar results please post im sure it would help to make sure this is the case. im already convinced since it was annoying me that i couldnt kill the battery.
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From my experience, my battery life on my hero was horrible, even after the sms fix. My Moment takes longer to charge fully, but has a great battery life. I watch 45 minutes of a movie everyday at the gym, listen to a few hrs of music a day. Check emails, send text and talk a good bit per day ... and still have over 50% of my battery when I come home from work at 5am. Great battery, great phone.
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summary update for today after just flat out killing my battery last night:

GPS: 25 minutes
Phone talk: about 20 minutes or so, not real sure
4 voicemails
10 texts
surfed web for about 45 minutes, some picture and graph intensive sites so decent download.
Sent a few emails, polling hotmail every hour, also have gmail running
Android Market, 2 downloads, about 20 minutes browsing around

Battery off charger around 6:30am, now 3:30pm, battery 60%.
I'm planning on running the sucker dead one more night then recharging again and compare tomorrow to today.
However for comparison, yesterday at this time, the phone was used much less and battery level was reported at 20% or 30%.
One more addition till later when I get time to kill the phone again tonight.
Used the GPS with google maps on the way home, about a 20 minute drive and then got home and loaded a few webpages. Also, apparently my hotmail was synced once while driving home.

Phone now down to 40% (just dropped to 40% when I closed the browser and loaded up handcent for a quick message).

So far today, I've done more than I normally do (especially GPS) and I am very encouraged by the change today from yesterday simply by killing the battery completely and not believing the guage.

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is there an app that keeps track of the type of info that satinkzo has listed so we could get input from multiple sources without having to really think about it. i hate to think about stuff.
I don't know of anything, I kept a little scratch pad in my pocket today, I suppose I could use a office style app or something, really haven't looked, but should for taking quick notes or maybe just send myself a text or something.
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