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Old November 4th, 2009, 03:48 PM   #101 (permalink)
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i was thinking of an app that keeps track of things like text msgs and data/gps/phone usage in a day. then we could compare that info with the battery meter at the end of the day.

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Hey folks, let's not get two threads going over the same subject.

As Satinkzo said, the "Battery Quirk" thread is very active, and we should try to keep this topic consolidated so that all ideas and possible solutions are in one place.

If possible can we get a lock on this thread, so as to keep things neat and tidy?
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Battery results for today are very similar to everyone else, phone QUICKLY dropped to 15% (within an hour and a half) was there for 4 hours, then dropped to 5%, was there for 4 hours, till I popped it on the car charger for, literally 5 seconds ( I forgot I was going to kill the battery so I quickly removed it) and it has been back at 15% for an hour...

So I'm in the boat of meter is wrong, or the meter simply needs to find full charge and full drain a few times to be properly calibrated.

At least it's not a parasitic drain, or chitty battery!
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I have been having the same issues as most people on this thread.
I noticed something interesting.
I just downloaded Battery Graph.
I plugged my phone in overnight, and finally unplugged it around 8AM. The very strange thing is that Battery Graph is showing that my phone was at 80% at 3:45 AM and then has been a gradual decrease ever since (with a 20% increase around noon.)
It seems like perhaps there is an issue with the charging circuit deciding that it is full, and then stopping the charge, even though it was still plugged in from 3:45 until 8AM or so.
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Strange, my Hero had great battery life.

I unplugged my Moment this morning; and 7 hours later it is about to die. I do expect the battery to get better though.
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Battery is dead at 6:50pm, was taken off charger at 7:50am.
Moderately heavy usage, it showed 15% charge left at an hour and a half after being taken off charger, it stayed at 15% for 4 hours and then 5% the remaining time.

Now time to rinse and repeat and see if there is any improvement.
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Started my 2nd rundown on my moment tonight around 6:15pm or so, just browsing the web, dilbert, metal detector app, etc. Anything to keep the phone active. Started out at 40% battery and it did drop to 15% within 30 minutes, but then it just stayed there till 7:30 and dropped to 5% and I just got an alert of low battery. Just now it finally turned off and on restart it shuts off immediately after establishing service connection.

So for today, much more activity with more battery intensive things than I normally do and the battery lasted just fine IMHO. Plus the guage seemed much more accurate. Now that it's dead, I'll recharge tonight and see how things go tomorrow.
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Unplugged @ 8:30am low useage all day long... Maybe 1 hr of talking 1 hr of internet, couple app downloads and about 50 txt. It has been on 15% for 6 hours with very little use. It is now about 8:30pm and i'm gonna run it pretty hard till it dies
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The Moment has a plain messed up battery meter, but the life itself does not seem to be bad.
Dude, you hit it right on the head. My phone hit 5%, so I decided I would play YouTube videos to kill the battery. The stupid thing played the videos for a hour straight at 5% battery. The screen was dimmed because the phone thought the battery was about to die. I wish there was a way to calibrate the phone's internal battery meter. It is so far off.
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my phone spent a few hours sitting at 15% and finally hit the 5% warning just a second ago. I'm about to put it throug the ringer to finish off the battery for a full recharge.... We'll see how it goes.
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Unplugged @ 8:30am low useage all day long... Maybe 1 hr of talking 1 hr of internet, couple app downloads and about 50 txt. It has been on 15% for 6 hours with very little use. It is now about 8:30pm and i'm gonna run it pretty hard till it dies

Basically as soon as I posted this a little over an hour ago it went to 5%. For the last hour I have been watching youtube videos, downloading and playing games, surfing the internet, a 5 minute call, and a few text and it starting rebooting itself and I finally plugged it in.

I too have come to the conclusion that everyone else has... the battery meter is just reading the actual capacity wrong. I think it may take some conditioning b/c it still isn't as strong as my PRE but it is def not as bad as I originally thought it was. I'm sure an update will come soon to give us a proper reading.
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http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/13783-possible-battery-quirk.html
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Mine is at 3% and just won't die! It's been 45 minutes!
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Old November 4th, 2009, 11:30 PM   #114 (permalink)
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I've been off the charger for 12.5 hours and the phone is still going. It was at 15% for a few hours, 5% for a couple more, and now sitting here at 3% and it ain't dead yet. I officially don't think we have a battery problem, just a battery indicator algorithm problem.

Edit: It shut down on my 3 mins after posting this.
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It's definitely a meter problem, not a battery (life) problem. It's still kind of a pain though, since when it hits 5% the screen goes dim, and it seems like half the battery life is at 5% or less.
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OK, yesterday I took my phone off the charger at 7:30am and it went till 10:30 pm when I went to bed. It still had 15% left and was not ready to die yet even after watching videos and surfing the net. I think the battery life is excellent on it, we just need to push for an update to fix the display issue with it. I would really like to find a patch or widget that shows actual vs calculated percentage. If anyone finds one, please post.
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after killing the battery last night and giving it a "full" charge the indicator says it's only 80% charged. But I'm going through the same thing as everyone else. My phone ran for better than 12 hours while off of the charger and I was using it pretty heavily through the day and purposely tried to kill it last night and STILL had to wait over two hours sitting at 3% before it finally died. I'm on the bandwagon... Bad meter.
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I came here looking for a solution to the only real issue I have with the phone; the battery life. I am finding there is thankfully no issue with the battery, probably as others have mentioned, it is the software that reads the remaining battery life.

I read every post and ironically had a difficult time 'killing' the battery. It was fully charged (100%), at least according to the "BatteryLife" widget, yesterday at 530 am. I made several phone calls during the day, 23 to be exact totaling approximately 4 hours, I sent and received 7 emails one of which contained a 3MB image file attachment, sent and received 11 text messages one of which contained a 1.2MB image file attachment, ran a huge MP3 playlist, which includes the original Halo soundtrack of 26 songs, spent 30 minutes looking through the Marketplace just for the heck of it, and even ran Sprint Nav while sitting on the toilet, about ten minutes worth - I needed GPS to help me find the black hole.

At the end of all that, BatteryLife read "15%". I went to sleep but did not charge the phone. This morning, 8 hours later, I turned the phone on and BatterLife still read "15%"! So my stupid and happy question is, how do I kill the battery?
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I just posted this on the sprint community forums:

I got the Battery Graph app, and it has been pretty enlightening even though I haven't had it a full day yet.

According to the graph (which reads from system info, not absolute info) my phone's battery took 3.3 hours to go from 5% charge to 100%. With the GPS on, the battery indicator went from 100% to 80% in 15 minutes. However, I do not believe that this means I had actually depleted 20% of my battery's juice in that time. Rather, I think the phone and/or battery has a really terrible way of estimating its capabilities.

Why? Last night I turned GPS on and the battery went from 50% to 15% in 30 minutes, but then held steady at 15% for 3 hours before dropping to 5%, at which point I hooked it up to AC power.

Also, around 50%, the graph has a tendency to jump between 50% and 60% sometimes several times before it drains/charges past that point.


After reading several discussions on this forum and the Android forums, I believe the phone also has issues with background apps 'pushing' for info too often and draining power unnecessarily.
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I've had mine off the charger for 2 hours since my second total kill and charge and with wifi, bluetooth, gps and everything going I'm at 90%.

Doesn't sound like anyone is having true battery issues, just meter. It takes a lot to kill this thing.
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newbie here. yes....i am having the same exact problem guys.
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i've been following this thread a lot before i decided to get my moment. i drained my battery die last night, and i was certainly at 15% for around 3 hours, and at 5% for at least another 2 hours. Currently, it seems to be an indicator issue, and not the battery. 5 hours for under 15% is amazing.

i'll keep testing for the next few days and leave my results.
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I think it may just take time to train the battery per se? I know that when you first get a new phone with a Lithium Ion battery.. it is imperative to actually drain it and charge it to full a few times before it stabalizes. I was a little concerned at first too, but I remember having to do this with my last phone as well.

I am on day 2 myself.. first day it hung at 5% for about 2.5 hours with constant texting/ GPS / youtube usage before finally dropping to 3%.. and then 40 minutes later it would not stay turned on any longer. I charged it to 100% last night and then powered the phone off when going to bed. I woke up.. turned it on.. and the meter has dropped down to 15% in 3 hours during usage, but I plan on killing it again and then repeating the full charge again tonight.

Will keep posting my results as well.

I agree with other previous posters! Please do call sprint and notify them of the quirky battery meter. They can probably release an update to help alleviate this issue.

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ok. Do we inform Samsung or Sprint or both? Cuz, I'm ready to fire off emails.
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i let mine die last night to the point where it wouldn't turn back on.

i plugged it in to a full charge and then left it unplugged all night.

its currently at 50% and had not been charged in over 12 hours.
(and hasn't been used for much all morning.)
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After my 2nd rundown last night, charged up over night. Phone came off the charger at 6:45am and it's now 1:30pm. Battery is at 70%. Not nearly as much use today as yesterday, but still emails. occasional web, and a couple phone calls. No GPS today, didn't remeber to turn it on to make seom extra drain.
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12:10pm PST phone was plugged in all night up until right now and was at a full charge... as soon as I unplugged it, 90%... running GPS today, and running it again as normal (heavy internet use) and see how long before I kill it (again)... tomorrow I'll try no GPS... wish me luck! haha

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i let my moment completly die last night. took it off the charger at 7am mst fully chargerd to 100%. made a couple phone calls web browsed for about ten minutes and explored the market for about five minutes. its now 1:50pm and its only at 70%.
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what i have learned from using the Task Manager mentioned above (aka Terminator) is that nothing ever closes.

the touch pro a while back had that area where you could close progams one at a time from a drop down.

is there a place where you can see what is running on the moment?
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i let my moment completly die last night. took it off the charger at 7am mst fully chargerd to 100%. made a couple phone calls web browsed for about ten minutes and explored the market for about fie minutes. its now 1:50pm and its only at 70%.
I took mine off at the same time you did(MST) and it's 2 now and I've got 50% after some GPS nav, all wireless turned on, some Cestos, ~30 mins of phone calls and i'd say 100 or so texts.
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ok. I'm going on 10 hours now without a charge and after some moderate texting, a lot of random checking of the phone from boredom, and just general playing the battery is at 15% (so says the meter) But tonight will be night two of killing the battery and getting a "full" charge on it. We'll see how it goes.
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This is ridiculous. Who the hell does the testing for these phones? Seriously, it's happening to virtually everyone. Who do I email too? This is unacceptable. It's 2009 and they should be able to release a smart-phone that can last an entire day with heavy usage without worry that the phone is going to die.
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This is ridiculous. Who the hell does the testing for these phones? Seriously, it's happening to virtually everyone. Who do I email too? This is unacceptable. It's 2009 and they should be able to release a smart-phone that can last an entire day with heavy usage without worry that the phone is going to die.
it will last the whole day the problem is that you will be staring at 15% mark for most of it

but if you do get that email post it so they get the patch out sooner.
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actually my phone died at 3:40pm today. from a full charge with moderate usage at best.
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After unplugging at 6:45 this morning from a 2nd complete drain of the battery, I'm still chugging along. I dropped to 15% finally around 4:30pm this afternoon. Between my update earlier this afteroon and the 4:30, I surfed the web for about an hour and had 3 phone calls, probably 30 minutes talk time and a few texts.

Since 4:30, been at 15% and have been playing around since 6:30pm or so. Gonna do a 3rd full drain tonight, but not sure how long it will take as I have run for over 2 hours on 15% reading.
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This is ridiculous. Who the hell does the testing for these phones? Seriously, it's happening to virtually everyone. Who do I email too? This is unacceptable. It's 2009 and they should be able to release a smart-phone that can last an entire day with heavy usage without worry that the phone is going to die.
The only smart phone ive had that could actually last all day of real heavy use is my blackberry
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I posted this to one of the Sprint forums as well. Anyone have any ideas on the cover?

I managed to get 12 hours today with moderate usage and GPS off. Not great, but maybe the minimum amount I'm willing to accept. We'll see. I did make an interesting discovery. The extended battery for my old phone (Samsung Ace/Blackjack II) almost fits in to this phone (it's slightly shorter, so you have to wedge a small piece of paper or something at the bottom to hold it in place. The phone runs just fine with this battery which is 1800 mAH, so you could possibly squeeze a little more runtime out that way. Now if I could figure out some way to get a battery door that fits. Is there any way to order some extra doors that I could then experiment modifying?
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I posted this to one of the Sprint forums as well. Anyone have any ideas on the cover?

I managed to get 12 hours today with moderate usage and GPS off. Not great, but maybe the minimum amount I'm willing to accept. We'll see. I did make an interesting discovery. The extended battery for my old phone (Samsung Ace/Blackjack II) almost fits in to this phone (it's slightly shorter, so you have to wedge a small piece of paper or something at the bottom to hold it in place. The phone runs just fine with this battery which is 1800 mAH, so you could possibly squeeze a little more runtime out that way. Now if I could figure out some way to get a battery door that fits. Is there any way to order some extra doors that I could then experiment modifying?
I'm getting more than 15 hours of moderate usage, GPS always on (only used when an app calls for it) out of my moment. I'd take an extended battery too, but not one that requires a new battery panel.

Edit:
Now almost 9:30, been streaming pandora since 7pm in the background and surfing the web and Market the whole time. Still at 15% on the meter. I'm trying to kill the battery for a 3rd night in a row, but it looks like it's getting tougher to get it to die after 2 complete drains the last 2 nights... which of course is good news.

11pm edit:
Well, I tried tonight. I turned on wifi and GPS, ran pandora and google maps, phone is still going albeit reading 3% and I'm not sure when it went to 3%, but has not turned off once. I am cautiously optimistic that the guage is getting a little better, but based on today's experience I gotta say I'm pretty happy with the ACTUAL battery life as I'm approaching 18 hours since I left the charger.

Tomorrow, I think I'll go back to trying to run it down by starting earlier, turning on GPS on the way to work etc.

I did talk to a guy at work today who has a G1 and he mentioned that his battery was absolute crap at first, but after a couple weeks he was happier and now after a few months it easily lasts him all day and then some. He did do some complete drains at first too and he periodically drains the battery still. Maybe a placebo (his words, but I agree), but it makes him feel confident in his battery. He never said his battery guage was goofy, but maybe he trusted it more than most of us are trusting the moment guage and for good reason.
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These are my results for the first day after drain and full battery charge.

Took the phone off the charge at 8:30 this morning; went from 100% -> 80% 9:30. By 10:30 it was at 70%, but stayed that way all the way up until 3-4:00. Was at 30% by 9:30. Started messing with the phone a lot (gps/txting/phone calls/youtube) around 10:30, went to 5% and died around 11:30.

Battery seems much better than the palm pre. I'll post again for day 2.
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I was working on my third drain last night. After getting to 3% the phone started occasionally rebooting itself. After the fourth or fifth time I decided to go ahead and throw it on the charger. We'll see what happens tonight...
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I've been following this thread for the obvious reasons but, I have a question. How do you go about getting this thing to charge up to 100% ?.
I've drained it dead for two nights in a row and the next morning it is only showing 90% and drops ridiculously in an hour although it does stay running from 7:00AM until 7:00PM and craps out shortly after.
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I've been following this thread for the obvious reasons but, I have a question. How do you go about getting this thing to charge up to 100% ?.
I've drained it dead for two nights in a row and the next morning it is only showing 90% and drops ridiculously in an hour although it does stay running from 7:00AM until 7:00PM and craps out shortly after.
I don't know how anyone else has done it but I ran mine to the point it wouldn't turn back on for the past two nights. Charged it each time for no less than 7 hours each night. Moderate use through each day and then this morning it hit 100% for the first time. It's been off of the charger for about 45 minutes so far and is still at 100%. I guess we'll see how well the battery holds through the day.
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It's been off of the charger for about 45 minutes so far and is still at 100%. I guess we'll see how well the battery holds through the day.
You're doing well! Yesterday was my third run it all the way down day. I took it off the charger this morning, drove to work (10min) and unlocked the screen -- 80%.
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I hate it that when it turns 15% the screen permanently dims until it dies. Makes it real difficult to use those last 4 hours.
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got up to 100% during the night for about an hour.
then it stayed steady there for about 30 minutes and right now, 45 mins since removing from charger, it's at 80%.

all i have done this morning is take 9 pictures.
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I hate it that when it turns 15% the screen permanently dims until it dies. Makes it real difficult to use those last 4 hours.
Yes I noticed that and I believe it turns off the keyboard backlight also.
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After third kill I've been off the charger for about an hour and I'm at 100%. I do notice that when it gets close to the end it will spontaneously reboot itself during processor intensive stuff. Mine only did it once but it was at the point where the battery meter was a red battery with a slash through it(it actually got there instead of dying at 5%).

If you want to kill the phone faster don't use WiFi. It is MUCH less of a battery hog than cellular data is.

Since I wanted to keep using my phone last night after I killed it I was forced to use it on the charger. I REALLY like where they placed the usb on this phone. A couple of reviews said it sucked because you can't use it with car docks but i'd rather be able to use it normally when charging than have it in a dock.
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Just a note: But if you guys/gals really want to make a meaningful comparison on battery usage - YOU MUST ALL have the SAME setup (settings + programs + alarms + volume settings....etc...) on your phones, as well as take the same routes every morning.

In regards to the keyboard lights going off at 15% and below - maybe it's time to generate a STICKY of what we want for the next update.
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